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==Mail==
== Message from ChildofMidnight ==
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== IP range block might need an update ==


Hi Drmies, this post is about the IPv6 range ] that you partially blocked for 1 week from editing AN/I. A little less than an hour later, ] actually site-blocked the singular IP in that range ] for a couple of days with no talk page access. Since then, like happens with many IPv6 connections, the user's IP address switched over to ] very shortly after, which allowed them to continue posting on that previous IP's talk page in spite of the previous IP's block with no talk page access. Given that this is technically block evasion, I'm thinking maybe the /64 rangeblock should be updated to a full one?
ChildofMidnight is blocked, and he put the following message on his userpage for me to tell you:


Regards, — ] ] 01:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
"Please check with User:Drmies about the ] article. They are both indigineous to Alabama and are very likely to know one another, although I don't know how intimately."
*Yeah, I left a note for Cullen cause I had to run, but I'll go ahead and stop that yapping. Thanks, ] (]) 01:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
**Yeah, sorry Drmies, my wife and I had to pick up some prescriptions (we're 72), go to the hardware store as part of our ongoing battle against the rats, and stop at Target. We just got home. ] (]) 02:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
***I took care of it. Rats? Brrrr. ] (]) 02:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
***Yeah they are creepy and filthy and befoul any accessible food, but that's the least of it. They have twice chewed partly through ] fresh water lines in the crawl space under our house, which soaked a lot of insulation too. Very expensive chaos. Second incident discovered today. It's an ongoing debacle and I have a grudge against all rodents at this point. ] (]) 02:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
***:{{yo|Cullen328}} Do you routinely distribute rodenticide in key locations? I do so weekly, and the problems are much improved. ] (]) 10:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:{{u|Deepfriedokra}}, we live in a semi-rural area with lots of beneficial wildlife like deer, rabbits and squirrels plus pets like cats and dogs, so pest control professionals prefer to avoid most poisons and rely on traps and repellents instead. There is also the hidden dead rat odor problem. We are going to start a very specialized product called RatX in the next few days. ] (]) 17:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::Oh Lord, rats are a horrible problem. Hope you can get rid of them. Do you guys have any cats? And I think that having a lot of insects and whatnot in your house is considered something of a way of life, but imo, definitely not true nowadays. My house suffers from a lot of ], and my family has been trying to use ] to try and stop them. Strong substance, perhaps, but definitely useful. ] (]) 17:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:::I only use the poison in the house- behind stove, fridge, and washing machine. Fortunately they leave before dying. ] (]) 18:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::I use road flares in their burrows outdoors. Close up as many holes as you can find except one, light the road flare and stick it fire side in and cover it up. Carbon monoxide takes care of it. Keeping livestock I have a significant rat population outside that I have to keep in check. As for inside, cats. ] (]) 18:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::{{ec}} Like Cullen, we too live in a rural area. Fortunately, we haven't had any rats (one bat, though - and that was horrible), but we do have mice. Don't know if they'll work with larger rodents, but we leave sticky traps for the mice in our garage, and, thus far, that keeps them out of the house, killing them before they can enter.--] (]) 18:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::Is that better than roaches, {{U|Bbb23}}? ] (]) 19:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:::::You'd think an indoor pit bull would prevent rats. She does not. ] (]) 18:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::::Need a ratter, not a big dog. My little lady kills quite a few rats outside. ] (]) 19:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:::::Mice are stupid and don't get too trap averse. Much more difficult to trap rats long term. With mice I've found a bucket trap to be very effective. A 5 gallon bucket with a ramp leading to the top. Fill it halfway with water, then cover the water with sunflower seeds. The mice climb up and hop in to get the seeds and can't get out. ] (]) 19:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::::I do think cats make good pets too. They're good at catching mice and rats, as well as defeating snakes. I'm sure the reaction time of a cat is about 20-44 milliseconds compared to a snake which has like 44-70 milliseconds. I also think that cats are the general predator of snakes. But staying on topic, I do feel like it would be best to have a cat as a pet (I certainly don't have a cat, though) for catching rats. ] (]) 20:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==Top AfC Editor==
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*Thanks Grundle. I'd leave a note on CoM's talk page, but I prefer if no one knows that they and I get along--it might ruin my chances of running for higher office. So please don't tell anyone. Later! ] (]) 01:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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**OK, I looked at the article. It did not make me feel better about the world--"prostidude." What a word! ] (]) 02:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
==World's Cutest Dog==
Haha. Well ... will do? --] (]) 04:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
*Whoa. Is that a dog, for real? Well, , I reckon. ] (]) 04:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
**:) Tx for the humor on top of the withdraw.--] (]) 04:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
***Hey, I used to take AfDs way too seriously in the past. It's still serious business, but I realized that you win some and you lose some--and in the end, hopefully, WP is the winner. Take care, and give your pooch a hug for me, ] (]) 04:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
****Will do. Belated happy new year.--] (]) 05:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


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*I was, ]?? I had no idea--I think that also shows that it would be good if more people got involved with it. I think the backlog is creeping towards 2,000 again. Anyway, thanks: I appreciate it! ] (]) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@], you probably wouldn't have been if we had an actual full year of data (that data is just from the last month or so). But if you kept up that same pace through the whole year... yeah, maybe you still would be. We truly need all the help we can get. -- ] (]) 18:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


== Season's Greetings ==
I removed the PROD on this article. While it's not a particularly good article, ] seems to say that if a book is the subject of multiple reviews, it meets the notability guidelines. Because of this, I don't think it falls under the PROD umbrella—which is only for uncontroversial deletions. Feel free to list it at ] if you feel it meets the criteria. ] (]) 15:38, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
*Thanks for the note, Joshua. I do have to say, though, that a review at Amazon.com does not count on Misplaced Pages as a review establishing notability. Same with Barnes and Noble and other online sellers, such as Flipkart and Milo. Thanks, ] (]) 17:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


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I agree with Macandrewes. Can we repost that thread so I can join the discussion? ] (]) 06:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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*Welcome back. Perhaps WMC can reinstate it, if you ask him nicely. ] (]) 17:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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::I'm taking a break from attempting to herd cats. ] (]) 19:01, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I hope you are more successful than I am--45 minutes, and she's still not asleep. ] (]) 19:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC) <div style="padding-left: 2em; margin-top: 1em; font-size: 88%; font-style: italic">Spread the WikiLove; use {{tls|Season's Greetings}} to send this message</div>{{-}} --] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> (]) 06:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


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I recently submitted a translation of a Dutch poem on the ], at the request of Mjroots. It's a rather grammatically incoherent poem in places. I solved that by translating it to in places grammatically incoherent English, but perhaps you'll be able to improve it. ] 15:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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*Holy moly. Much have I travelled in the realms of bad poetry, and many poorly lines and sentences seen, but this takes the cake. Give me a day or two and I will see if I can help. I think you've done a great job, by the way--did it hurt? ] (]) 17:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Never did I breathe such pure bad poetry, till I heard Timmenga speak out loud and bold. Good luck, I'm sure you'll find some places where it can be improved. ] 18:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::"Een omgewaaide eikenboom / Kwam drijven op een snelle stroom." ] (]) 21:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::"De maker dezer molen kwam het boompje halen / Lonkend zij naar verre zegepralen." I should also inform you that I reverted some silly, but helpful anonymous editor who inserted some silly Internet meme on your user page and labeled their edit as "vandalism"; that I figured if I asked you to review bad poetry, I should remember that, as you told me after my RFA, there is no such thing as a free lunch and that ] I should do for you what someone else asked you to do; and that the guy's notability is indeed a bit questionable, to say the least. ] 23:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Thanks! You know, I am not entirely sure what an internet meme is. I could look it up, but I don't trust Misplaced Pages. Tell me what classes you picked. I'm teaching medieval writing by and about women, but I'm sure you've taken that class a million times already. Is ] still teaching? She is fabulous. ] (]) 19:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::It is probably difficult to know what it is&mdash;concentrated silliness, perhaps. I'm afraid medieval literature will be among my classes this semester. I did take a world literature class last semester, which got us just a few medieval women writing, such as Marie de France. I'm sure your course will be a lot broader than just Marie. I'll be doing Spanish, two courses in evolutionary biology, and a creative writing course that is the only required class for undergraduates here. Vendler is still teaching five courses; I might look into taking one next semester. ] 21:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
<--As it happens, I just lost my MdF book somewhere in this building...did you take it? We are finishing up the lais tomorrow. I'm glad you're being cultured, mandatorily or not. I was incredibly struck by Vendler's ''Coming of Age as a Poet''--a miraculous little book that even got me interested in ]. She's one of those old-school people, you know, the ones who had read everything and remembered it, and I admire them greatly. Take care, and enjoy the semester! ] (]) 21:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for the check on the poem. By the way, I noticed there were some very immature people who insisted on adding various kinds of nonsense to your user page&ndash;let me know if you want me to semi-protect it to prevent them from doing so, or perhaps you like to know what those people think about you and stay in touch with them. ] 14:20, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


== Brian Boruff article edited by you == == May Sinterklaas be good to you ... ==


Please leave your wooden shoes out for him to fill with presents.
Sir, Mam,


Have a good one, Doc, and thanks for filling our wiki-lives with cheer.
I am writing in regard to the article: ], in which you participated in editing. First, please excuse what may be here (and may have been on his page) poor formatting. I am entirely new to Misplaced Pages. I have added in-line citations to the article, and cleaned up the list of references. As such, I was hoping that you would remove the following two templates, as I do not know how:
"This article does not cite any references or sources."
and


Love, ] (]) 01:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
"Text document with red question mark.svg This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations. Please improve this article by introducing more precise citations where appropriate."
*Oh ], that is very nice of you--thank you very much. I assume you set your shoe too? Don't forget to put a carrot in there, right? That reminds me: I'll be making oliebollen for New Year's. All the best to you and yours, and thanks for sticking around and helping out on our beautiful project. ] (]) 23:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
I am asking that these be removed in light of the above-mentioned reasons. In addition, I was hoping that you could remove the template that the article does not meet the notability requirements, as Brian Boruff is a senior executive at one of the biggest multinational I.T. firms in the world.
**Ah, ] are a new one on me! Here in Hawaii, we have a doughnutty thing called ]s, which are eaten all year round, just like ]! Have a great New Year! ] (]) 00:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


== About your block of Ayomikun445 ==
If you cannot do remove these templates, I would really appreciate any advice on who I should contact about this or how it can be done.


Thank you! ] (]) 21:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)Erez &nbsp; &ndash;] (]) 15:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*I'm on it. ] (]) 15:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== DCAU page ==
*Responded, generally, on talk page. I see, in the meantime, that Ucucha has done a lot of the work (thanks!). The notability tag was retained, I imagine, because the article is lacking independent sources. Thank you, ] (]) 21:47, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi! I'm currently engaged in an edit war with a user who believes that two films released in 2017 and 2019 are canon to an animated universe of TV shows from 1992-2006. I've provided multiple clear as day sources from the people who worked on these that show this isn't the case.
== Anno Domini vs Common Era designation ==


You can read it here.
I would like to ask one of the great wiki users, Drmies, for assistance. I'm currently in a dispute with another wiki user over the use of ] (BC/AC) and ] (BCE/CE) designation for years. I cannot seem to find Misplaced Pages's stance on the issue and I was wondering if you knew. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:DC_Animated_Universe#Article_Cleanup ] (]) 23:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*I tried to read that: it's clear as mud. But yes you are in the middle of an edit war, and you really need to stop. If you want that talk page discussion, and your editing career, to go anywhere, you might could try making smaller edits and explaining them on the talk page--briefly, with sources. ] (]) 23:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*Blanking your talk page is not a good idea. ] (]) 23:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*], is this your only account? ] (]) 23:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Yes. I had a previous account a while back that I lost my password too.
*:The person who I'm having an edit war with literally went and removed my sources, while his sources are non-existent or incredibly flimsy. ] (]) 20:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== With respect to Bai Jingting ==
] (]) 01:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:See ]: Misplaced Pages has no preference either way, and therefore editors should not change articles solely to conform to their preferred style. ] 03:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Ucucha, and you are right, I see now: WP has no preference, and I thought it did. (I should read that MOS more often.) I do have a preference: BCE and CE, giving away my secular and academic leanings. If I see editors change BCE to BC, for instance, I'll change it back, since the particular ''change'' (if it's the only edit made) evidences an agenda. Ucucha, how's the start of the year? ] (]) 04:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::From what I've seen CE/BCE is preferred on talk page discussions of non-biblical/Christian articles (see ] for an example of one such discussion). Had a good weekend doc? And don't forget ]. cheers. &ndash;]''']''' 04:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Sorry Spiff, I forgot about it already. Your comment re: usage strikes me as reasonable; as far as I am concerned we drop all that POV and move to BCE/CE. Or come up with a new numbering altogether, an objective one, which would start with the American publication of '']''. ] (]) 04:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::I would also personally prefer CE/BCE, but don't really care much either way. There are probably more productive ways of spending your time than reading the MOS (or your talk page, for that matter), but ] is a good principle. It still allows change where there's an objective basis to use one style in an article&mdash;I think '']'' is a good example of an article where there is good reason to prefer CE/BCE over AD/BC, as argued in the link SpacemanSpiff gives.
:::::Thanks, I am doing fine&mdash;just returned to college and now pondering what classes to take this semester. Misplaced Pages-wise, you'll notice that the subjects of my DYKs are getting progressively smaller: from a ] (skull alone 3 cm) via a ] (4 cm) to ] (a few millimeters) to ] (micrometers at best). I wonder where that will go. ] 04:56, 25 January 160 AMD (UTDM)
:::::*Whoa, we now have articles on holes in skulls of rats?? What is this world coming to... I think you are descending into real "science" stuff--too many syllables, and no one can understand why any of this matters. As for your classes, I see it's tricky, not that much to choose from this semester: I would suggest Mary Fuller's class, on . Groeten, ] (]) 16:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Good class, wrong college. You're probably right that articles on actual animals are somewhat more interesting, but I do need to have some underlying structure for pieces like ]. For reasons I cannot quite fathom, no one else seems to have been interested in writing articles about features of the rodent skull. ] 16:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Haha, it was a 50/50 chance. Congrats, BTW; I wish my girlfriend at the time had been at that school and not the one where I ended up. Looking at the faculty there is like looking at my bookshelf. ] (]) 20:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I find it surprising that WP doesn't have a firm stance on something like this. WP is designed around a non bias and non secular platform. It would be far more easier to start using the BCE/CE naming system and start teaching it in the class rooms early. I also wanted to thank Drmies for replying to the discussion on my talk page. ] (]) 05:20, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::That's part and parcel of WP being a cooperative project, across disciplines and interests, for better or for worse. In the same way, we have to live with articles on ]s and ] with small feet and large ears. ] (]) 16:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
What about ]? ] (]) 20:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
*What about it? Are you talking about the wine? ] (]) 16:11, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I seen few deletion, need clarity to improve.
== In the market for help...again ==
1. For Philanthropic activity the source 8th line mentions artist name, need to understand why the source is doubtful.
2. If "features" is wrong vocabulary could it be replaced with other word? As new writer I observed many articles already accepted those details from years. Need to understand how to represent here with proper writing. ] (]) 20:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*Not every time someone is mentioned in some competition they're "featured". If someone is featured it means they get a special placement, and there is no evidence at all that this is what is happening here. Yes, it's a buzzword now used for every guest performance and appearance, and we need to fight back, like linguistic warriors. I don't really know what you mean with "source 8th line", but if you're talking about , it's pretty obvious to me that that gossipy glossy website is NOT an acceptable, neutral, independent source for BLPs. Thanks, ] (]) 16:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
**Thanks for the reply. For Philanthropic activity link <ref>{{Cite web |title=持续更新！汪峰章子怡林志玲黄晓明等为河南暴雨捐款 |url=https://ent.ifeng.com/c/883OdhBmV5C |access-date=2024-12-17 |website=ent.ifeng.com |language=zh}}</ref> was used. 8th line suggest artist donation towards natural disaster. It was removed stating doubtful. If we mention actual ranks of few listings, instead of "feature" I hope it's fine provided link attached is not from gossip site and provides enough evidence. ] (]) 23:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
***What 8th line? I see five lines, and then some weird image that took me 26 clicks on "Page Down" to get through--and then there's comments. Anyway, I see his name is mentioned, along with dozens of others, on a website that at best looks like a gossipy site for fans of entertainers. Whatever that site is, it's not publishing journalism; please see ]. How much did he even give? Or did the record company give a few bucks in his name, to add to his resume? Who knows? ] (]) 02:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
***Oh you mean the seventh line of that picture with a list of donors--who knows what that picture is, and what its authority is. Again, that's not how we operate here. It's too easy to manipulate pictures, and there's no source or context--"according to incomplete statistics" actually expresses part of the problem well. ] (]) 02:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


{{reflist-talk}}
Hey, Professor. I found a source for an article that has none and I have a question about mark up. I noticed you used '''{{Cite news''' at the beginning of some cites you added and I was wondering if there are equivalent mark ups when drawing cites from bios. Actually, the bio was published online at the National Acadamies Press site. Would that qualify for the '''Cite news''' mark up? I know you're busy with school, so no rush. Just leave me a "Talkback" when you have time. Thanks ]] 02:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:{{tl|cite news}} is one of a family of citation templates that are useful for providing references to be formatted in a consistent manner. You can see ] for a list of other templates that serve a similar function, along with summaries of their usage. <sup><small><font color="green">]</font></small></sup><sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex;"><small><font color="blue">]</font></small></sub> 03:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


== You are being discussed here ==
::Many thanks, Bongomatic. ]] 03:05, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Hey Tide, sounds to me like {{tl|cite web}} is the way to go for yours. Sometimes it's hard to figure--I use "news" for the BBC website, for instance. The difference between journal and magazine can also be difficult: for instance, I'll use {{tl|cite journal}} for '']'' since it has volume and issue numbers on the cover, though it's hardly like an academic journal. Don't fret over it too much; I am happy you're using templates (and I think Bongo is too) since I believe they make articles look much cleaner. Take it easy, ] (]) 04:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


] ] ] 16:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I had an inkling there would some gray area. Having your input and ]'s direction to the template's page is going to be most helpful. I'll tackle the cites after work. ]] 12:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
*Very exciting, Doug--thanks! ] (]) 19:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
** {{tpw}} ] ]!!! ] &#124; <sup> ]</sup> 20:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*** A tremendous amount of truly reprehensible stuff does happen on this talk page. However, in my opinion, none thus far had been quite so egregious as using the word "revenant". That said, I myself understood the word immediately by way of it being the true and accurate translation from the Danish of the title of Ibsen's '']''. -- ] (]) 05:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
****Hey I just learned a new word. ] (]) 16:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
**** Well, {{yo|Softlavender}}, a joke explained is not much of a joke. But what I meant by using the word was precisely a reference to the Danish sense in that the ghost of the quite dead argument had been revived by a (now blocked) user who started the (now closed) discussion. Let us hope for the new year that the argument inappropriately raised from the dead remains in the grave to which it was returned and that no further sticks are raised. Heaven forfend that I should post reprehensible stuff on this hallowed site. ] &#124; <sup> ]</sup> 14:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*****Let the dead bury their dead. ] (]) 15:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== ]/] and others ==
:::::{{tps}}You can also simply add "reftools" in your preferences -> gadget menu. And you'll get the cite templates right above your edit window, without having to manually add the templates. Alternately, you can also fill in raw links (the good doc doesn't like that) and then run ] on the article to convert all raw links to templated citations. cheers. &ndash;]''']''' 06:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


Thought they had given up and taken a new hobby, but nope... Here is this IP (https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/2001:8A0:67D4:8700:461:2CED:6508:F5E3), for instance continuing with the transfer speculation at ] (and reinserting their ref that "supported" ] winning the title last season by mentioning a ] match!!), duly reverted! Ah, with a completely polite and encyclopedical edit summary, so let's see what their reply will be (because they WILL reinstate their version again!)...
::::::Reftools = Awesome. --] (]) 17:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
<--Sounds great, and I just added it--but I don't see anything new in or around the edit window. Am I looking in the wrong place? I just looked at ], but that fancy toolbar doesn't show up here at all. Geek alert! help! ] (]) 20:01, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
*Whoa. I undid my enhanced editing toolbar, which I didn't even know I had, and now it's there, with a million other buttons. I'll see y'all in a couple of days, after I figure this fancy s**t out. ] (]) 20:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


Happy 2025, take care ] (]) 16:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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Doc, this is great work. Congratulations to all those who took part. ] (]) 21:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


Edit warring started already, please intervene (you or somebody) ASAP! --] (]) 17:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Doc where are you? I hope you're okay. Are you rooting for the Colts in the Superbowl because of your deep-seated admiration for Auburn star cornerback ]? ] (]) 17:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
*], ], can you please have a look, given your experience with ]? Thanks, ] (]) 19:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*], I found another one (User:Lazaric12), and removed some of that awful content. Take care old friend! ] (]) 16:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== Aaargh == == A barnstar for you! ==


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One should not look at diffs (or the articles themselves) for lead characters in series one follows when one has not read the most recent book in the series. <font face="Old English Text MT">]<font color="#0095c6">of</font>]</font> 04:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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*Eh, thou speakest in riddles! But thanks for blocking that editor just now. You must be talking about some fantasy series, since you're a librarian. Now, if you were me, it wouldn't matter, since my memory is completely shot. Again I can't remember if ] and ] live happily ever after. See you later, ] (]) 06:09, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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==Injustice==
Another outrageous anti-business perversion in the Dutch "justice" system . And please stop pocketing extra ketchup packets. ] (]) 17:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:Glad to be at the right side of the Atlantic. ] 17:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, CoM, activist judges preventing a company from firing a thief, a backstabber, a ]... ] (]) 16:11, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Exactly!
::::"It is just a slice of cheese."
:::Maybe to a judge in the district court in ], but certainly not to the rest of us! I especially enjoyed reading the comments. One guy tried to calculate the cost to Mickey Ds if every employee gave his buddy an extra slice of cheese, and another made the quite reasonable point that stealing a slice of cheese is the same as stealing a billion dollars because, of course, "theft is theft". And then there's the reporter's final note that, "The decision came days after the fast-food chain reported an increase in net profits by almost 25 per cent in the last quarter of 2009." Those pinko commies running the media! Well, hopefully it gave you a laugh. I suppose there is a legitimate issue in there somewhere about companies determining their own employment standards, but you'll be relieved to know that even I couldn't take the whole thing very seriously. And I thought you might need a pick me up after John Edwards' two Americas came crashing down. Talk about shock and awe. Dick Cheney's birthday is Saturday. "Might could"? Really Doc? ] (]) 17:26, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Proof of Southernness, CoM, and a perfectly acceptable construction--though Ucucha would receive red marks all over his term paper. I'm sure you can't help but laught over Edwards. I feel kind of sad for her. Dick Cheney's birthday--again? I want him to run for office, that'll be a laugh. ] (]) 18:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

== Bacon and paneer ==

Hi, I thought you might be amused by {{diff2|340343177|an edit}} from our mutual friend's current IP incarnation.

But don't worry. I don't intend to report to you about every bacon-related edit I come across. Mostly I wanted to write because I've been wondering how your homemade paneer turned out. Last night I had a delicious ] (not homemade, unfortunately). ]<font color="6600FF">&nbsp;•&nbsp;</font>] 20:03, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
*Mandarax! Thank you for your note; always a pleasure to hear from you. As it happened, I couldn't do it last week, nor this, and I am somewhat saddened since I was looking forward to it. I might could make it this weekend and you'll be the second to know, after Mrs. Drmies of course. Friday a colleague is saying her farewells, and I will contribute to the feast with ]. Oh, after Vonnegut, I finished reading what one might call a stylistic opposite: '']''. Happy editing! ] (]) 20:09, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::Is it as good as '']''? ;) Someone tried to add in bacon as an ingredient of ]. I had mixed feelings about reverting. :( Be warned that I am preparing to weigh in to the challenge. ] (]) 17:34, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

:::Couldn't help noticing your interest in ]. ] has a book that's devoted to paneer recipes ;) Given that CoM doesn't seem to respond to MQS' or my requests, I'll have to find time for that between tasks on ]. &ndash;]''']''' 18:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

==Question==
Hi, I hate to bother you with this again but I wondered if you could read the Ram Narayan article and tell me whether you think it's intelligible, well worded, and neutral. I'm trying to get a few eyes - a fresh view could reveal stuff I overlooked. Thanks a lot. ] (]) 20:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
*Hey Hekerui, no bother at all--I hope that I can get to it in the next few days. Thanks, ] (]) 20:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

==Pobl==
Hi. I've merged the Rosalind Richard article. You have my blessing to merge all of the other Pobl bios into this article providing you change the structure of the cast section into a bio summary for each actor/character and retain category Welsh actors in the redirect page. If the actor however appeared in many other notable series and has a long article like ] it would be best to keep it and just provide a summary in the Pobl article. But by the looks of it most of them should be merged...]</span> <sup>]</sup> 12:21, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
*Thanks Ernst. Has the BLP dust settled a bit? I'm going around sourcing whenever I can--last night I did ], ], and ]. Before that, ], ], ], ]...so I am fighting for the cause, if you ever doubted that! But it's slow going. Take care, Dr.! ] (]) 16:01, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

==Ecco Domani==
Wow - thanks very much. I'll polish it up and add it to the mantlepiece. :-)

Always happy to be of assistance. --<font face="Old English Text MT">]</font><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 16:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't sweat the refs Doc. The links will go dead soon anyway. The main thing is that the articles say what I them to. :) ] (]) 19:45, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

== Stephano Sabetti nominated for deletion ==

Thasnk you for your comments. When I originally submitted the article, I already went through this discussion with Fughettaboutit and ukexpat, two other administrators. At the time, I entered the articles, radio, and television interviews Dr. Sabetti had that had reviewed and covered covered his Life Energy Therapy, and they instructed me to use these secondary sources instead of the original source books. Unfortunately, they were done before digitization and the Internet, and the articles are not archived to the Internet. However, as I said, for example, Sabetti is noted in an article on new organizational forms, and his books are al available on Amazon.com.

At the time, I satisfied Fughettaboutit's concerns about notability. Though he has worked primarily in Europe, he has taught at Esalen Institute, been an adjunct professor here in the U.S, and published many books. He has worked with thousands of individuals, and his Wholearchy (new organizational paradigm) has been cited in business literature as a new organizational form. With respect to his books, I don't think he should be punished because ei an associated organization, Life Energy Media, is the publisher of record. and he may not be on the best seller list.

I have spent many go rounds with the other administrators to get their approbation, and so I would appreciate your direct response to see how this deletion may be avoided. I will be happy to modify anything I've done in this regard. Please note that with respect to the orphan status, I was so terrified that the administrators would look unkindly on any connections I inserted because I was cautioned against "touting" the author.

Please help. Sabetti has made important contributions to the study of energetic body work and spirituality; quite frankly I don't see how he's glarinhly less "known" than many other writers listed in the American spiritual writers category. Thanks for your timely attention and concern with this matter.] (]) 23:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
*Hi Lem. I nominated the article, so I may not be the right person to ask. In short, the age of digitization isn't even the biggest deal--print sources are fine too. But I don't see anything that discusses him significantly. That his books sell on Amazon, that's no indication of notability, and being an adjunct professor (which really means ''not'' a professor) doesn't help either. Find the sources and add them to the article--but I looked, and I found nothing. Thank you. ] (]) 02:13, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

== Did You Know problem ==


] Hello! Your submission of ] at the ] has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''{{T:TDYK|The Land of Green Plums|your nomination's entry}}''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <!--Template:DYKproblem--> (Note: I always leave approvals to others.) ] (]) 01:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

No problem. I'm glad to help ;). --] (]) 18:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
*Look at my talk page history to see what one of those morons left me. ] (]) 18:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

==]==
Hi, I haven't really been involved with the article very much, just taking out obvious vandalism (I watch the current changes for all of the Musical theatre articles). I think we can just keep reverting the Mandy Gonzalez rumors and leaving warnings, hopefully the poster will get the message. It's hard for me to say what is correct with the article; most of it has been stable I think, it's the current cast section that seems to get the changes, not very well referenced. I'll keep an eye on the article for vandalism, will look more closely at the current cast section.] (]) 10:16, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
*Jean, thanks for your help and thanks for your note. ] (]) 15:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Greetings....The External link section seems to be utilizing the same source three times. This could be misconstrued as POV pushing. Maybe find some other sources that basically say the same thing(s) ] (]) 19:40, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
*Thanks for your note. Yeah, I thought about cutting more, but the thing is that there doesn't seem to be a general heading for the stones on that site (which is a commercial magazine of sorts). BTW, if you look in the history you will see that I did not add those links; in fact, I removed two links to a message board on that site. I don't think it approaches POV pushing yet, esp. since one of the articles claims they're a hoax. Thanks, ] (]) 19:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::The article looks much better. Two thumbs up ] (]) 21:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks Jim. ] (]) 22:15, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

==HIP Haiti==
Sure and it's my pleasure, as always. --<font face="Old English Text MT">]</font><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 20:40, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

== DYK for David Harvey (luthier) ==


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|} ] (]) 18:01, 1 February 2010 (UTC) *Haha thanks, {{U|Mz7}}--and I just hit you with a +2! ] (]) 15:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{U|Bbb23}}, happy new year, and how is it that you are thanked more than me??? I thought I was the good cop! ] (]) 15:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
**It's a conspiratorial ploy by the perps to cozy up to the bad cop.--] (]) 16:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
***Shoot I just thanked ] for an edit, and she was already ahead of me. ] (]) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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:::* As explained on my talk, I hope I do more real thank-you than lazy click-thanks ;) - Happy new year 2025, opened with ] that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). --] (]) 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::* ], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::* My ] is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --] (]) 09:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


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== Mail ==
Great ice cream, even better shirts. Unfortunately it is not up to expansion requirements for DYK, it would have made a fine addition. You should try them if you are in the area some time.--] (]) 21:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


{{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
==RN==
Thanks, the lead thing about the teenager is surely clearer now and the commas are helpful as well, as is linking Shankar and using a colon to introduce the explanation. Anything else? Best ] (]) 22:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
*I'll get to the rest later. "Altogether" may be grammatically redundant, but I like the sound of it better. That phrase "Mattoo instead employed", I added "and" but forgot to take out the preceding period; combining those sentences would make the logical development more explicit. (You have seen that I like combining sentences.) Thanks for catching that word order error. ] (]) 23:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


== Edits to Columbia High School (New Jersey) ==
== sprotect ==


Thanks for the note (and your quick reverts!). I suspect the attack stems from the identity of the user, ]. I am going to go ahead and delete the various vandal attacks. If there are more vandals after the sprotect expires, I will go ahead and semiprotect indefinitely. --] (]) 03:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC) The article for ] definitely needs additional sources and has to some issues of tone addressed. There are sources about the school available to update many of the issues you highlighted. ] (]) 23:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*Well, as they used to say on '']'', ''it is happening again''... Thanks, ] (]) 03:22, 2 February 2010 (UTC) *Happy New Year, {{U|Alansohn}}. I hope there are, and I hope they're grrrreat. That article was a bit excessive. ] (]) 00:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Virginia Bolten == == Sockpuppet ==
A few minutes ago I nominated ] for DYK and added you as co-author. Cheers!--] (]) 20:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


Got someone editing as an IP to escape a block and complain at the Teahouse. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== DYK for David M. Malone ==
:Nevermind, they got globally blocked literally ''the'' minute I sent this lol. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Oh, it's that one again. So boring. I wonder what their New Year's resolutions include. Haha, "this year I'm going to look for North Korean proxies". Good luck! ] (]) 00:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::"Resolution 1: Complain about being banned on a website for almost 7 hours" ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I actually forgot how long it's been. Has it been a year? Ah--I blocked User:MidAtlanticBaby indefinitely on June 18. I see they're now actually banned by the Foundation: I don't know if you know this, but you have to go REALLY crazy to get banned by the Foundation. ] (]) 00:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Oh yeah, definitely didn't know that...{{pb}}Also, this has been going on for MONTHS? ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Yes. When I say "childish" I mean it. This is likely a somewhat grown person with a driver license and the right to vote, who could be watching Georgia play football and make soup for their family and walk the dog. Instead, they're harassing a bunch of people including one who had nothing to do with them getting their dumb ass blocked. But they know some shit about proxies and whatnot and now they're just being cute, hoping to get caught and get attention. ] (]) 00:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Well, now whenever I feel down I'll just remember I'm way happier with my life than MidAtlanticBaby! Thanks for this Misplaced Pages lore Drmies. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== 120.21.0.0/16 ==


Hi, would you consider unblocking this IP range? I don't want to, both because I'm unsure of the situation, and because I'm a little bit involved — it includes the address I'm using for the wireless network at my local public library. I don't understand the reason for the block, since you blocked it almost a month after the latest edit appearing at ], and there are no deleted contributions. ] (]) 05:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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*Hey {{U|Nyttend}}--I blocked the range because of one particular sock, who by now has created 215 accounts that we blocked and tagged, in a little over a year. There were two from that range that, looking at the block, were my immediate reason for the block, and since then it's been much quieter. Let me email you, lest I drop BEANS all over the place. ] (]) 14:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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**Thanks for the response. This response makes sense, and the email was great; thank you. ] (]) 19:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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|On ], ''']''' was updated with a fact from the article ''''']''''', which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page <small>(], )</small> and add it to ] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the ].
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== ] Images in your User Space ==
] Hey there Drmies, thank you for your contributions! I am a ] alerting you that ] files are ]. I some images that I found on ]. In the future, please refrain from adding fair-use images to your ] or your ]. See a log of images removed today ], shutoff the bot ] and report errors ]. Thank you, -- ] (]) 04:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
*Hey Dash--I agree completely. That sheer act of pure and, in the end, useless vandalism should be punished severely; I hope you will trace the perpetrator and come down on him like ]. ] (]) 05:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


==I am not worthy== == Advice needed ==
] with crushed cashews. A resounding success around my office.]]
Scored only 69%...even my boss scored higher... ] (]) 19:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:I scored 83%...--] (]) 20:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
::That's what she scored as well! Say, is there a threshold for this test in terms of Bacon Cabal membership? I'm in trouble... ] (]) 20:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, but can we trade you for her? Would it require a first round draft pick too?--] (]) 20:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, she would be delighted, she says. Also, our student worker scored 80%. I need to take this quiz again; I obviously missed something. ] (]) 20:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::OK, upped it to 78%, only mildly bending the truth. ] (]) 20:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::80%. I support demoting anyone who scored below 70% to apprentice status. That's pathetic. ] (]) 20:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::27% loser here. ] (]) 17:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I am rather curious to see what Lady of Shalott's score is, based on ], I am thinking it is time for an invitation for full membership in the ].--] (]) 17:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
<-- I just took it, and scored a measly 37%. <font face="Old English Text MT">]<font color="#0095c6">of</font>]</font> 17:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*blink*</nowiki> Let me guess, you didn't drink the bacon grease....--] (]) 17:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::Nope, I wouldn't do that. I also have not had any bacon dessert; however, that I'd try if offered to me. <font face="Old English Text MT">]<font color="#0095c6">of</font>]</font> 17:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


How can I convince user:Sky258 that, per ], airport connections need independent sources? Nearly all his/her are unsourced and reverted. Warnings did not help but blocking seems over the top. Do you have any ideas? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 17:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== Thanks for the welcome ==
*Hmm I disagree: they were warned by multiple editors, and the content is unsourced. I was going to ask about talk page consensus, but there is project-wide consensus... ] (]) 22:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Okay. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 23:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Football sock ==
Been a long time since I've seen one of those! Cheers! ] (]) 00:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
*Really! Thanks for taking that kidney punch, or whatever it was, out of mainspace. BTW, I hear that ] offers free beer for whoever adds references to their article. That framboise, it is undescribably delicious. ] (]) 00:55, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


Not college football, but still... See ]. I agree with GS and don't know why others are defending the user (casting aspersions indeed). Creating an RfA...doing so many moves it makes me dizzy...leaving trolling messages for other users... I'm on the edge of blocking myself for disruption, but a check would be helpful. Thanks.--] (]) 21:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
==Where's the bacon?==
:The ANI discussion has derailed into a discussion about whether Footballnerd2007 is using LLM, which they clearly are, but the user is choosing, unwisely, to wikilawyer, and GS, also unwisely, is trying to "nail" them. I thought about hatting it, but it's so rapid and I'm not sure where exactly I'd hat it. Oh, btw, another on my list above - read the user's Talk page - it's a cornucopia of warnings.--] (]) 22:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
]
We thank your countryman for contributing ], but this article seems imperfect based on its noncompliance with an ] of Wiki policies. ] (]) 01:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC) ::What a mess. That got out of hand quickly--I'm also not happy with the alien's response. A check was run on the user, and I guess it showed nothing... ] (]) 15:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*Thanks for the note. I proposed a merger to ] for that excessively detailed bit of news. ] (]) 02:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC) :::Thanks. They are now being "mentored".--] (]) 18:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Drmies, alien was obviously not trying to defend the user (you can tell through certain, subtle signs, such as the use of a face palm emoji and the phrase "You're not helping your case right now"), they were trying to de-escalate things. Is this really how you want to treat them? ] (]) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Well, actually I discovered it was split off from that article after a couple editors discussed it on that article's talk page. I renamed it to the more neutral seeming "trial of Geert...". I thought "criminal prosecution of..." seemed kind of loaded. I made some other changes too. But it's a bit hot for me. I suppose it will be an interesting and notable case, so perhaps an article is a good thing. I wonder if poor Geert will suffer the same fate as Mickey Ds? Or will the case follow the Swiss minaret movement... Is this related to Scott Brown and Sarah Palin, or the hateful comments against persons with disabilities and the racial insensitivity from Biden, Emmanuel and Reid. I'm so confused! ] (]) 03:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I know you are. There, there. Papa will make some ] for you. ] (]) 03:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC) ::::Sorry, but I don't know what prompted this, and I certainly don't understand that last, loaded question. Did I say that they were trying to "defend" the user? Where? What you could to is ask what I meant, if you're really interested in me and what I think. ] (]) 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm drinking a Bolthouse brand ] ] beverage. It's awesome. How is Jerraud feeling heading into the big game? ] (]) 04:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh, that reminds me--I was thinking that an article on Wilders's trial makes as much sense as an article on the dog that bit Jerraud. I don't know, how is he? He's not on the Colts team, is he? And if he isn't, I don't care, haha. Hey, I'm kicking it old school: I'm listening to '']'' right now, from your neck of the woods. ] (]) 04:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah he's on the Colts!!!... isn't he? As long as we're discussing the criminal activites of your countrymen... have you read about the ]? ] (]) 04:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
<--Haha, I went to work right away. I used to have one. ] (]) 04:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:Is there a db-or speedy template? What do you make of ] and ]? The second one seems like it has some potential? Looking at new page patrol I'm astounded that people are worried about harmless BLPs that have been here for years and have been perused and reviewed by dozens of editors. This place is nuts. NUTS! :) ] (]) 04:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::No, there isn't. Those lists seem tricky to me--how do you define a conflict as nationalist? Do both sides (if there's only two) need to have some sort of nationalist agenda? Even those organizations are complicated, especially since ] is such a poorly referenced, vague article. That's why I'm sticking to guitars and dead people (but not Ayn Rand, of course). ] (]) 04:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm having trouble getting a photo into your dart player template. Very frustrating! ] (]) 05:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe you should practice on K-stick's page first. But thanks for trying. Hey, I'm awaiting your applause for my solid-state work on ]. ] (]) 05:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::It looks a little bit better. Why is the only "notable" musician who uses it a redlink? ] (]) 17:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. Haha, yes--look on the edit screen for commentary. Also, it is an invitation for you or DGG to write that article! ;) ] (]) 18:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


== Re: Eh? == ==Mail call==
{{ygm}} I stopped e-mailing you long ago, since it always bounced, but perhaps it may be worth trying again? ] &#124; ] 09:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
*YES. I've been so lonely! ] (]) 15:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


== Administrators' newsletter – January 2025 ==
I apologize for what you just sent me a message about. I just started CVN today, and I just got pretty confused. I noticed that I messed up ''as soon as'' the change processed. I am now watching more carefully. Sorry again.
--]]] 03:22, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
*That's OK. But do look before you pull the trigger on Huggle or whatever, and look carefully: the edits on ] weren't vandalism either, but the legitimate removal of unsourced content. ] (]) 03:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


] from the past month (December 2024).
==Elitists at the New York Times==
Describing ] bacon as going well with Shad roe (???) also noted that it "cries out for a revival of those half-forgotten comfort foods of the 1950's like ] (open-faced grilled cheese sandwiches with slices of tomato and crisscrossed bacon slices on top)." What do you know about this subject? FYI, they also mention "traditional English savories like ](oysters wrapped in strips of bacon, skewered with toothpicks and then broiled) or ] (in which the oysters are supplanted by pitted prunes)." ] (]) 00:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:Oh my god, My grandmother used to make cheese dreams, by the (several) dozen, and freeze them (she was not known for her culinary abilities). She used a half kaiser, slice of processed cheese and three strips of bacon...I thought she invented it, or at least the name, I guess not...--] (]) 00:08, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
::, will look for CC version...or make them :-|--] (]) 00:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I knew it was something exotic, foreign and possibly dangerous being propagated by fancypants food elites. The photo source you found also has and . See also . Are you going to launch the article? ] (]) 01:02, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
::::What is a "Monte Cri'''S'''to"? A cheese dream with chicken or turkey? Wild! ] (]) 03:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Y'all making me snackish. ] (]) 03:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
<---Do you mean ]?] (]) 04:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:Don't be mean, K-stick. Just 'cause you never make a spelling mistake doesn't mean you can pester other people. OK, now I'm going to look for a snack. ] (]) 04:09, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
::I don't make spelling mistakes? Ha! That's a good one....] (]) 04:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for your help getting the Peavey Bandit article up and running. I will work on getting the information I've posted verified. Much of my information has been obtained by talking directly with current and former Peavey employees, so would it be legit to use Peavey.com as a reference? I understand the intent of making things verifiable with references, it's like putting together a legal case with no loose ends. The problem with much of the information about the Peavey Bandit is that it is proprietary and hasn't been published anywhere. Complicating matters, last summer Peavey's internal database crashed, meaning much of this information will never be verifiable in an empirical sense. Since there are at least 9 different models of Bandit, many with similar sounding names, the terms "Gunsmoke", "Teal Stripe", "Blackbox", and "Redstripe" are in common usage among people who are familiar with these amps, which is admittedly an extremely small portion of the overall population. As you can see, I am new to Misplaced Pages, but I do know about these amps. BTW, I do not work for Peavey, I am simply trying to share what I know with the public. I will edit my posts for ambiguity and so-called "weasel words". Let me know if Peavey.com is acceptable as a reference and I will make those changes. Thanks for your patience! ] (]) 03:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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*Hey, thanks for your note. Peavey.com is acceptable for such things as the 12" speakers or whatever, but quality claims cannot be verified by them. Info from employees and all, that's a no-no here, since it goes directly against ]: such information cannot be verified. Now, they sold enormous numbers of these amps, so there should be plenty of sources, but (as I tried to show you), there don't appear to be any of them published. (I spent an hour or so looking for and incorporating published sources.) Finally, consider this: Misplaced Pages is not meant to give exhaustive information on (in this case) every model and variation of the amplifier, that goes against ]. If for instance at some point they shift production from the US to China, that should be done in the text, possibly with an explanation of what that means (quality, cost, etc.), but certainly with a verifiable reference. If it's not meaningful it's not encyclopedic, and if it's not verifiable, it can't be kept. Thanks for your contributions and your note, ] (]) 04:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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**I believe I understand, and I openly admit that I am a little slow as this is my first Misplaced Pages entry. I have made changes to remove ambiguous words where they were obvious. I'm not sure why that would require deleting entire sections or editing the content so that the criticism section is more prominent than the specific models... I also don't understand why you keep deleting the details specific to each model. Look at the Misplaced Pages entry for ], a similar guitar amplifier. That is what I used as a template. The reason I started a Wiki entry for the Peavey Bandit is because there are many different models, and very few people seem to know which is which. The details of the different models are crucial to the entry. Making this information available on Misplaced Pages seems entirely within the scope of existing Misplaced Pages pages for similar amplifiers. I'm not reposting entire manuals or attempting to be a "field guide" to the Peavey Bandit. References for the features of the different models are available in detail at Peavey.com in the archived manuals: http://www.peavey.com/support/searchmanuals/archived.cfm?page=B Of course, they do not show up as hits in Google, but they are publicly available if you know where to look. I'm still figuring out how to list a reference! BTW, Nicknames such as "Gunsmoke" or "Redstripe" are difficult to provide references to, but in my experience as a Misplaced Pages reader, that does not warrant deleting entire sections of content, at least it has not in other Misplaced Pages articles for different guitar amplifiers. E.g., ], ], ], etc. Since I am new to Misplaced Pages, I am still learning how to insert references, but every 4 hours when I come back to update the page, it is frustrating to find that you have already deleted all the old content. '''Please''' just tag the article for lack of references, or edit the offending wording, but please do not delete entire sections. I promise, I'm working on it! Thanks. ] (]) 06:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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*Thanks for asking--though you give me too much credit. I've responded on the article's talk page; thank you for bringing up this valid point. ] (]) 20:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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Also, if an article discusses The Duke of Plimpington and the writer doesn't always want to write out Duke of Plimpington, can they just use "the Duke..."? Or would it have to be "the duke..." I know duke is not a proper noun, but does it have to be lower-case when it's standing in for a prior proper noun can it be made capital? Is it ever a judgment call or is there a hard and fast rule?
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== FORDROCKEFELLER1974 ==
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See {{UTRS|98810}}. The claim is that Bishonen allowed a new account to be created, in comments over at ]. What are your thoughts? Note that I have ''not'' looked at the checkuser technical data and... am dubious... --] (]) 23:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Also, when is the draft? ] (]) 22:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
*Ha, yes, but Bish said that before I had a looked and confirmed that Looney had logged in (and I just checked again, to make sure). I can't read the VRT (I still can't log in) so I don't know what the "compromised" thing was, but this is socking going back to 2021. ] (]) 02:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


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:I think both examples are correct, but the first might read better as "The family discovered the documents were forgeries". But I have horrible grammar...and spelling...and am not very cool (as can be gathered by my use of the term cool). What about the Duke of '']''ington?
::Actually they both read to me as though the documents were genuine that were later forged...rather than complete forgeries from the beginning...but see again about me knowing nothing.--] (]) 22:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It seems that Drmies is ignoring me, so I'll try posting my questions on my own page and see what the stalkers have to say. ] (]) 04:39, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Sorry pal--rats and flags kept me busy. Forging: the difference is that in the second one some attention is drawn to the fact that the forging was some intermediary act, though it's really miniscule. In case of doubt, choose the first one: it's shorter. The bear loved economy. ] (]) 04:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow! So we agree on something? There is a first for everything~
:::::My understanding is that the "had been/has been" construction is acceptable, but somewhat discouraged except in cases where there is a duration or repition involved (is that past perfect?).
:::::What about the other question about substituting "the University" for University of Alabama when it's repeated often in an article and the acronym isn't commonly used or confusing (U.A. in this case).
:::::Unfortunately, I'm also here to deliver some bad news for your efforts to promote faux bacon merchandising. Your outrageous spamming has been squashed finally . Of course I won't gloat or rub salt in your wounds. It would be unseemly for me to tell you how right I was and how wrong you were. That kind of unsportsmanlike taunting and revelry in my persevering triumphantly in a final act of complete and total domination over you, is unnecessary.
::::::What nonsense, that tag. I removed a little bit of the content; I don't care for all of it. I think that your capitalized substition should work on all university articles. ] (]) 18:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I see there's still some fight left in you. If only K-schtick were here to throw in the towel on your behalf so you could be saved you from any further humiliation. :) How have you been by the way? When can we start talking draft picks? It's hard for me to be stuck watching basketball. Maybe it will be enough to get me out on the beach more. There's not even the pro-bowl to look forward to this year. ] (]) 19:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I support spinning that content off into a separate article where the spam can be made into ], so it can be enjoyed by people who like fake meat. ] (]) 17:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


Perhaps you could take a look at this - a new but prolific ip with all the jargon. Possible returning sock? Greatly concerned about the reputation of Philip II of Spain. Cheers, ] (]) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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*{{U|Johnbod}}, there is a copious amount of logged-out editing there, though I don't see direct evidence of them using IPs to circumvent policy--but that the same person is editing without logging in is indisputable (and I warned them), so that leaves the actual IPs. In many cases the logged-out editing is from VPNs that have been blocked before, by ]--who I see is retired? What is this world coming to... So I'm not exactly sure what to do, since that's not really my cup of tea, and ] isn't very insightful. I see ] is running that but they are not a CU, and it's at least three or four different ranges. ], if you know how to handle them, can you have a look and do what's right on those ranges? Yes, Philip II is certainly well worth our time. Thanks, ] (]) 04:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey doc, would you able to do a quick run-through of the History and Protocol sections? Both identified as needing a bit of c-e for both being overly informal and in the passive voice. cheers. &mdash;]''']''' 03:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, after I take care of this rat I'm working on. ] (]) 03:34, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::No hurries, the FARC is on track and I have a couple of source issues to address too (in other sections). On a more important note, why are you writing about rats? Are all the Pokemons complete? cheers. &mdash;]''']''' 03:37, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, it's just an exercise to see if I can help add human meaning to the countless articles on (probably imaginary) rodents produced by your fellow admin ]. If I can't find anything exciting or literary about them, I'm going to run for admin and mass-delete them. ] (]) 03:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You don't need to run for admin to do that, you could just slap a Unsourced BLP tag to the article in question! &mdash;]''']''' 04:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Instead of saying "my brother", you could say "yen sahodhara". You beat me to that! cheers. BTW, it might interest you to note that apparently Tamils were descended from Turkish people per some fantasy writing on ]. &mdash;]''']''' 05:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
<--Thanks, I'll keep that in mind! But I'm proud of my fictional heritage, and, as you know, fictional heritages are the best. Did you know that the ] were favored not only by God but also by ]? The source verifying that connection in the article turns literature into history, but that just goes to show you that every people wants to feel special. Of course, my Tamil people are, no doubt about it--we're different, and not susceptible to history and such. ] (]) 05:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Been having all sorts of trouble of late with these caste articles, lots of OR, creepers climbing out of the ]s to mainstream articles ], ], and so much more. As you can see from my TP, I was contacted by the great<sup>x</sup>-grandson of ] too, beat that! cheers. &mdash;]''']''' 05:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


== DYK for The Land of Green Plums == == Do you have a second? ==


Could you walk me through reassigning user rights? I've discovered some PGAME at ] and I blocked them while I redo the user rights. Sorry, I've not done much of this. I've got Special:UserRights/54rt678 open. ] (]) 04:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


:The user has 509 edits, and 250 of them were done three days ago on the linked sandbox. ] (]) 04:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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::::Sure thing. That editor is headed for an indef: incompetence mixed with promotional editing. ] (]) 14:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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:::::Not a very mature approach, granted. Hey, this morning I welcomed (after I reverted) a user who'd in Caleb Williams's article. It will get weirder than that... ] (]) 14:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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::::::At least they apologized. I really loathe those kinds of edits, though not as much as the "daddy" variation. ] (]) 14:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Among their last 4 edits, two were adding commas to TP's post. Looking at that I'm not sure why we would trust them to edit any longer. ] ] 14:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Maybe, ], but I found nothing--I was thinking of various returning nuisances but saw no evidence. Wait and see, I think. ] (]) 15:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::I tried to make it as plain as I could to the PGAMER that all their edits would be under close observation henceforth. If they can't ''hold themselves'' accountable, how can we? ] (]) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Ha, is that a rhetorical question? ] (]) 17:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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Returned to ] AGAIN, with that nonsensical ref about a BENFICA match for a SPORTING championship win (reverted it on the spot)! I guess the rest can stay (should you see that the sources are appropriate, if not remove it), will duly compose it (i.e. Style of play section) when i get home.
== DYK for HIP Haiti ==


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== Bacon products ==
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Thanks for your take on the Bacon products section - I pruned it quite heavily since it seemed to be a very strong focus on the all the bacon flavored (vegetarian kosher) products of one company (Though spam may have not have been the right word since I think the edits were made in good faith - I suppose that's how viral marketing is supposed to work..). I expect the section will be expanded soon anyway since I think the bacon challenge 2010 is coming up in the next few weeks.
(Spammy? nice one..) cheers ] (]) 13:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
*Hey Clovis, thanks for your note. I disagreed with the spam note, as you saw--I am in fact the editor who merged the original ] article into the company's article, and pruned the contents, and pruned even more for a note in the bacon article, so there was, if anything, the intent to cut down on spamminess. As you saw, I had something of a difficult time reorganizing after your pruning (with which I don't disagree on principle, mind you), and that section could be better reorganized I think, if more bacon-related food items were added; I didn't feel like looking for more. True, ] latched on to the bacon fad in a clever and so far apparently successful way. Yes, the bacon challenge--thanks for reminding me, I got work to do. Do you have anything in the pipeline? And before I invite you to join the ], would you mind taking a little ? Later, ] (]) 15:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::Humblest apologies for being hasty with the word spam. I think you're right regarding the need for the inclusion of more bacon related products, the addition of others would put the J&D's info into better context. I did add the bacon vodka page, as it was floating unlinked around wikipedia and mentioned bacon mints (which popped up google, but the link is probably unsuitable in the long term).
::Unfortunately I'm not a bacon afficionado so not sure how much more I can contribute (Lets just say I'm from a country that serves 'middle bacon', scored less than 50% on the test and find Kelapstick's baconbomb image terrifying). Apologies again for being a bit of a butcher with the text - I've no issue with material being readded; I think I was more trying to highlight the undue weight than anything. Also, thanks for not reverting outright. cheers, ] (]) 15:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Hehe, that bacon explosion is obscene, I agree. No apology necessary, and your point about context, that's what I meant but you put it much better. Undue weight, that's often a judgment call, but I don't personally really disagree with you here. BTW, one of your countrymen (I hope I get this right) is responsible for the outrage imaged in this section--garnished with a ''strawberry''? ] (]) 19:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

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==In Song==
Given your <s>beady</s> boozy-eyed power-hungry tool-craving aspirations for adminship, you might want to start practicing: ]. ] (]) 04:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
*Beady-eyed? I'll have you know that I have big, beautiful doe-eyes. Jealousy is an ugly thing, Child! ] (]) 00:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::OMG, that's a great parody. I can't believe I haven't seen it before now. <font face="Old English Text MT">]<font color="#0095c6">of</font>]</font> 04:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::Corrected accordingly. Have you seen the section at DYK I set up? Do you think that will work or do we need to wait and do the DYKs all at one time like last year? I'd like to start moving things to mainspace and putting up the hooks in the special "hold of National Pork Day" section at the bottom of the DYK page. I won't mess with yours or Spinning Spork's, but I was trying to top up The Legendary Sky Attacker's stuff. Anyway, I hope all is well with you. Don't get too down about Peyton's awful losing streak in the playoffs. When you put in perspective with the good things he's done he's definitely among the top 20 or 25 quarterbacks now in the league. ] (]) 17:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

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IP range block might need an update

Hi Drmies, this post is about the IPv6 range 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:0:0:0:0/64 that you partially blocked for 1 week from editing AN/I. A little less than an hour later, User:Cullen328 actually site-blocked the singular IP in that range 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:6463:27AE:4C80:E87B for a couple of days with no talk page access. Since then, like happens with many IPv6 connections, the user's IP address switched over to 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:9541:B21:E7F0:1D7F very shortly after, which allowed them to continue posting on that previous IP's talk page in spite of the previous IP's block with no talk page access. Given that this is technically block evasion, I'm thinking maybe the /64 rangeblock should be updated to a full one?

Regards, — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I left a note for Cullen cause I had to run, but I'll go ahead and stop that yapping. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Yeah, sorry Drmies, my wife and I had to pick up some prescriptions (we're 72), go to the hardware store as part of our ongoing battle against the rats, and stop at Target. We just got home. Cullen328 (talk) 02:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
      • I took care of it. Rats? Brrrr. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Yeah they are creepy and filthy and befoul any accessible food, but that's the least of it. They have twice chewed partly through pex fresh water lines in the crawl space under our house, which soaked a lot of insulation too. Very expensive chaos. Second incident discovered today. It's an ongoing debacle and I have a grudge against all rodents at this point. Cullen328 (talk) 02:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
        @Cullen328: Do you routinely distribute rodenticide in key locations? I do so weekly, and the problems are much improved. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
        • Deepfriedokra, we live in a semi-rural area with lots of beneficial wildlife like deer, rabbits and squirrels plus pets like cats and dogs, so pest control professionals prefer to avoid most poisons and rely on traps and repellents instead. There is also the hidden dead rat odor problem. We are going to start a very specialized product called RatX in the next few days. Cullen328 (talk) 17:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Oh Lord, rats are a horrible problem. Hope you can get rid of them. Do you guys have any cats? And I think that having a lot of insects and whatnot in your house is considered something of a way of life, but imo, definitely not true nowadays. My house suffers from a lot of silverfish, and my family has been trying to use boric acid to try and stop them. Strong substance, perhaps, but definitely useful. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          I only use the poison in the house- behind stove, fridge, and washing machine. Fortunately they leave before dying. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          I use road flares in their burrows outdoors. Close up as many holes as you can find except one, light the road flare and stick it fire side in and cover it up. Carbon monoxide takes care of it. Keeping livestock I have a significant rat population outside that I have to keep in check. As for inside, cats. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          (edit conflict) Like Cullen, we too live in a rural area. Fortunately, we haven't had any rats (one bat, though - and that was horrible), but we do have mice. Don't know if they'll work with larger rodents, but we leave sticky traps for the mice in our garage, and, thus far, that keeps them out of the house, killing them before they can enter.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Is that better than roaches, Bbb23? Drmies (talk) 19:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          You'd think an indoor pit bull would prevent rats. She does not. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Need a ratter, not a big dog. My little lady kills quite a few rats outside. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Mice are stupid and don't get too trap averse. Much more difficult to trap rats long term. With mice I've found a bucket trap to be very effective. A 5 gallon bucket with a ramp leading to the top. Fill it halfway with water, then cover the water with sunflower seeds. The mice climb up and hop in to get the seeds and can't get out. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          I do think cats make good pets too. They're good at catching mice and rats, as well as defeating snakes. I'm sure the reaction time of a cat is about 20-44 milliseconds compared to a snake which has like 44-70 milliseconds. I also think that cats are the general predator of snakes. But staying on topic, I do feel like it would be best to have a cat as a pet (I certainly don't have a cat, though) for catching rats. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 20:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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In 2024 you were one of the top AfC editors, thank you! --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I was, Ozzie10aaaa?? I had no idea--I think that also shows that it would be good if more people got involved with it. I think the backlog is creeping towards 2,000 again. Anyway, thanks: I appreciate it! Drmies (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Drmies, you probably wouldn't have been if we had an actual full year of data (that data is just from the last month or so). But if you kept up that same pace through the whole year... yeah, maybe you still would be. We truly need all the help we can get. -- asilvering (talk) 18:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Have a good one, Doc, and thanks for filling our wiki-lives with cheer.

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About your block of Ayomikun445

Quack, quack.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 15:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

DCAU page

Hi! I'm currently engaged in an edit war with a user who believes that two films released in 2017 and 2019 are canon to an animated universe of TV shows from 1992-2006. I've provided multiple clear as day sources from the people who worked on these that show this isn't the case.

You can read it here. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:DC_Animated_Universe#Article_Cleanup Walterwhitehartwell (talk) 23:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

With respect to Bai Jingting

Hi, I seen few deletion, need clarity to improve. 1. For Philanthropic activity the source 8th line mentions artist name, need to understand why the source is doubtful. 2. If "features" is wrong vocabulary could it be replaced with other word? As new writer I observed many articles already accepted those details from years. Need to understand how to represent here with proper writing. SakuraSmart (talk) 20:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Not every time someone is mentioned in some competition they're "featured". If someone is featured it means they get a special placement, and there is no evidence at all that this is what is happening here. Yes, it's a buzzword now used for every guest performance and appearance, and we need to fight back, like linguistic warriors. I don't really know what you mean with "source 8th line", but if you're talking about this source, it's pretty obvious to me that that gossipy glossy website is NOT an acceptable, neutral, independent source for BLPs. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the reply. For Philanthropic activity link was used. 8th line suggest artist donation towards natural disaster. It was removed stating doubtful. If we mention actual ranks of few listings, instead of "feature" I hope it's fine provided link attached is not from gossip site and provides enough evidence. SakuraSmart (talk) 23:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
      • What 8th line? I see five lines, and then some weird image that took me 26 clicks on "Page Down" to get through--and then there's comments. Anyway, I see his name is mentioned, along with dozens of others, on a website that at best looks like a gossipy site for fans of entertainers. Whatever that site is, it's not publishing journalism; please see WP:RS. How much did he even give? Or did the record company give a few bucks in his name, to add to his resume? Who knows? Drmies (talk) 02:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Oh you mean the seventh line of that picture with a list of donors--who knows what that picture is, and what its authority is. Again, that's not how we operate here. It's too easy to manipulate pictures, and there's no source or context--"according to incomplete statistics" actually expresses part of the problem well. Drmies (talk) 02:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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User:Pinzunski/User:SukunaZenin and others

Thought they had given up and taken a new hobby, but nope... Here is this IP (https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/2001:8A0:67D4:8700:461:2CED:6508:F5E3), for instance continuing with the transfer speculation at Francisco Trincão (and reinserting their ref that "supported" Sporting CP winning the title last season by mentioning a S.L. Benfica match!!), duly reverted! Ah, with a completely polite and encyclopedical edit summary, so let's see what their reply will be (because they WILL reinstate their version again!)...

Happy 2025, take care RevampedEditor (talk) 16:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit warring started already, please intervene (you or somebody) ASAP! --RevampedEditor (talk) 17:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Edits to Columbia High School (New Jersey)

The article for Columbia High School (New Jersey) definitely needs additional sources and has to some issues of tone addressed. There are sources about the school available to update many of the issues you highlighted. Alansohn (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Got someone editing as an IP to escape a block and complain at the Teahouse. Tarlby 00:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Nevermind, they got globally blocked literally the minute I sent this lol. Tarlby 00:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh, it's that one again. So boring. I wonder what their New Year's resolutions include. Haha, "this year I'm going to look for North Korean proxies". Good luck! Drmies (talk) 00:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
"Resolution 1: Complain about being banned on a website for almost 7 hours" Tarlby 00:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I actually forgot how long it's been. Has it been a year? Ah--I blocked User:MidAtlanticBaby indefinitely on June 18. I see they're now actually banned by the Foundation: I don't know if you know this, but you have to go REALLY crazy to get banned by the Foundation. Drmies (talk) 00:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh yeah, definitely didn't know that...Also, this has been going on for MONTHS? Tarlby 00:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes. When I say "childish" I mean it. This is likely a somewhat grown person with a driver license and the right to vote, who could be watching Georgia play football and make soup for their family and walk the dog. Instead, they're harassing a bunch of people including one who had nothing to do with them getting their dumb ass blocked. But they know some shit about proxies and whatnot and now they're just being cute, hoping to get caught and get attention. Drmies (talk) 00:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Well, now whenever I feel down I'll just remember I'm way happier with my life than MidAtlanticBaby! Thanks for this Misplaced Pages lore Drmies. Tarlby 00:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

120.21.0.0/16

Hi, would you consider unblocking this IP range? I don't want to, both because I'm unsure of the situation, and because I'm a little bit involved — it includes the address I'm using for the wireless network at my local public library. I don't understand the reason for the block, since you blocked it almost a month after the latest edit appearing at Special:Contributions/120.21.0.0/16, and there are no deleted contributions. Nyttend (talk) 05:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Hey Nyttend--I blocked the range because of one particular sock, who by now has created 215 accounts that we blocked and tagged, in a little over a year. There were two from that range that, looking at the block, were my immediate reason for the block, and since then it's been much quieter. Let me email you, lest I drop BEANS all over the place. Drmies (talk) 14:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Advice needed

How can I convince user:Sky258 that, per WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, airport connections need independent sources? Nearly all his/her additions are unsourced and reverted. Warnings did not help but blocking seems over the top. Do you have any ideas? The Banner talk 17:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Football sock

Not college football, but still... See WP:ANI#Footballnerd2007. I agree with GS and don't know why others are defending the user (casting aspersions indeed). Creating an RfA...doing so many moves it makes me dizzy...leaving trolling messages for other users... I'm on the edge of blocking myself for disruption, but a check would be helpful. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

The ANI discussion has derailed into a discussion about whether Footballnerd2007 is using LLM, which they clearly are, but the user is choosing, unwisely, to wikilawyer, and GS, also unwisely, is trying to "nail" them. I thought about hatting it, but it's so rapid and I'm not sure where exactly I'd hat it. Oh, btw, another on my list above - read the user's Talk page - it's a cornucopia of warnings.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
What a mess. That got out of hand quickly--I'm also not happy with the alien's response. A check was run on the user, and I guess it showed nothing... Drmies (talk) 15:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. They are now being "mentored".--Bbb23 (talk) 18:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Drmies, alien was obviously not trying to defend the user (you can tell through certain, subtle signs, such as the use of a face palm emoji and the phrase "You're not helping your case right now"), they were trying to de-escalate things. Is this really how you want to treat them? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't know what prompted this, and I certainly don't understand that last, loaded question. Did I say that they were trying to "defend" the user? Where? What you could to is ask what I meant, if you're really interested in me and what I think. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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I stopped e-mailing you long ago, since it always bounced, but perhaps it may be worth trying again? Bishonen | tålk 09:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

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WP is not a Multilingual dictionary

Please take a look at Addition_to_WP:NOTDICTIONARY and comment. Though this may be implied by other policies, I think it's worthwhile making it explicit. Thanks, --Macrakis (talk) 19:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

FORDROCKEFELLER1974

See UTRS appeal #98810. The claim is that Bishonen allowed a new account to be created, in comments over at User_talk:TTTEMLPBrony. What are your thoughts? Note that I have not looked at the checkuser technical data and... am dubious... --Yamla (talk) 23:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Ha, yes, but Bish said that before I had a looked and confirmed that Looney had logged in (and I just checked again, to make sure). I can't read the VRT (I still can't log in) so I don't know what the "compromised" thing was, but this is socking going back to 2021. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Beeldenstorm

Perhaps you could take a look at this - a new but prolific ip with all the jargon. Possible returning sock? Greatly concerned about the reputation of Philip II of Spain. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Johnbod, there is a copious amount of logged-out editing there, though I don't see direct evidence of them using IPs to circumvent policy--but that the same person is editing without logging in is indisputable (and I warned them), so that leaves the actual IPs. In many cases the logged-out editing is from VPNs that have been blocked before, by User:ST47ProxyBot--who I see is retired? What is this world coming to... So I'm not exactly sure what to do, since that's not really my cup of tea, and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Open proxies isn't very insightful. I see User:Malcolmxl5 is running that but they are not a CU, and it's at least three or four different ranges. User:Ponyo, if you know how to handle them, can you have a look and do what's right on those ranges? Yes, Philip II is certainly well worth our time. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a second?

Could you walk me through reassigning user rights? I've discovered some PGAME at User:54rt678/sandbox and I blocked them while I redo the user rights. Sorry, I've not done much of this. I've got Special:UserRights/54rt678 open. BusterD (talk) 04:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The user has 509 edits, and 250 of them were done three days ago on the linked sandbox. BusterD (talk) 04:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Do I merely uncheck, leave a reason and save (and watch)? Just something I haven't seen done recently. BusterD (talk) 04:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
It was so simple I figured it out myself, but I needed another editor to reassure me. Don't mind doing the job, but am sometimes nervous about affecting someone unduly. BusterD (talk) 05:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Sure thing. That editor is headed for an indef: incompetence mixed with promotional editing. Drmies (talk) 14:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Not a very mature approach, granted. Hey, this morning I welcomed (after I reverted) a user who'd burnt the Packers in Caleb Williams's article. It will get weirder than that... BusterD (talk) 14:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
At least they apologized. I really loathe those kinds of edits, though not as much as the "daddy" variation. Drmies (talk) 14:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Among their last 4 edits, two were adding commas to TP's post. Looking at that I'm not sure why we would trust them to edit any longer. Doug Weller talk 14:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Maybe, Doug, but I found nothing--I was thinking of various returning nuisances but saw no evidence. Wait and see, I think. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I tried to make it as plain as I could to the PGAMER that all their edits would be under close observation henceforth. If they can't hold themselves accountable, how can we? BusterD (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Ha, is that a rhetorical question? Drmies (talk) 17:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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User:Pinzunski/User:SukunaZenin

Returned to Francisco Trincão AGAIN, with that nonsensical ref about a BENFICA match for a SPORTING championship win (reverted it on the spot)! I guess the rest can stay (should you see that the sources are appropriate, if not remove it), will duly compose it (i.e. Style of play section) when i get home.

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