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| '''<span style="color:white;">R E T I R E D</span>]'''</div><br></div> | |||
| <div class="center">'''Due to legal threats , this user left Misplaced Pages in August 2007. More information on my departure may be found at ]. '''</div> | |||
| ==Merry Christmas== | |||
| I have to be at my parent's house at 8:30 tomorrow... you'd think I'd get some sleep. As for adminship, about a month ago I'd noticed myself on ] and was flattered. But I decided I just wanted to get the RfA out of the way so I accepted the first time anyone wanted to nominate me... it's nice to have admin tools and not have to bug other admins to get stuff done. Anyway, Merry Christmas! --] 05:20, 25 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Sorry== | |||
| == Request for unprotecting == | |||
| I'm terribly sorry for removing your notice, it was an accident. I was just reading through the archives, and forgot it was a past edition. Sorry about that. And I'm sorry if you don't want messages posted on this page now, but I wanted to contact you somehow! I don;t mind if you delete it again. I'm very sorry to see that you've left, and thankyou for your contributions. Good luck in life my friend, and sorry about my mistake before. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hello Durin, | |||
| == :-( == | |||
| I noticed you were the one who protected the article on ]; rightfully so, I saw some of the vandalism that was going on there and it was not a pretty sight. In the meantime, however, I've written a rather lengthy article on the sprite comic that bears that name and would like to ask for the article to be unprotected so it can be put up. --] 23:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *I've unprotected it. Bear in mind there will be watchful eyes. If the article you put up in place of it is not a well crafted article, it's likely it will be speedy deleted again. I recommend you flesh out the article prior to posting it. --] 01:18, 30 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *Thanks. I like to think it worked out okay. --] 10:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry to see you go, Durin. I've seen nominal legal threats before, but I've never seen a note of pending litigation. How appalling. I was wondering when you might slow down editing (in relation to your earlier comments regarding lack of desire to edit), but I didn't realize it would close so quickly. :( | |||
| == Me and Adminship == | |||
| Best wishes in whatever endeavours you pursue. --] 18:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for the comments on my talk page, I really appreciate it. About the comment on the RFA discussion page, I didn't mean for it to come off the way it did. It was not intended to scream ''nominate me!nominate me!'' I just wanted to point out that I felt kinda weird repeatedly posting on a page that was populated almost exclusively by admins. When Tito talked to me about it, I saw that there was a complete different message there. Perhaps I should remove it? Anyway, about the edit summeries. Yeah, I usually only use them for when I'm making changes to a previous edit or edits. When I'm posting or creating a new article, I don't use them that much. It shows in the histories. I'll start using them all the time now. -- ] - '']'' - <small>'']''</small> 18:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Oh no worries about the comment. I didn't find any problem with it! It perked my curiosity, that's all. All the best, --] 18:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :You're one of the best, and have been enormously useful to Misplaced Pages. I'm terribly sorry to see this, and hope somehow that it will be sorted out. Good luck, and thank you for always answering my questions so patiently and helpfully. ] ] 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm just concerned other people will get the same wrong impression (which is understandable), because it kind of comes off that way. That's why I'm considering removing it. -- ] - '']'' - <small>'']''</small> 19:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::What a nasty way to end an otherwise fine wiki-career. I know you'd been telling me for months you'd been on the brink of leaving, but I always thought you'd stay anyway. This is just... horrible. My second friend to leave Misplaced Pages in 3 days :( ''']''' ('']'') 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Thanks very much, but...== | |||
| Seriously? Right when I was about to join Durin's Fair Use Army full-time?!?! E kala mai. A hui hou, Durin. --] 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, | |||
| :Someone still has to do the job. ''']''' ('']'') 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::More like 10 people to equal the quality output Durin was creating. :-) But hopefully this is just a minor, temporary thing, and Durin will return shortly. --] 18:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *There's a slim chance I will return, but it's a Michael Jordan-esque "That 1% is for me and you can't have it". I'm in contact with the people who are prosecuting this investigation. Pending outcome of that, I *might* return. But, Majorly is right. I've been pondering leaving for a while for a variety of reasons. This isn't the final straw; that analogy is incorrect. It's more like the impact event theorized for the ]. It is astonishing to me that someone would go to such lengths over a handful of images. It's not worth it to me. I am a volunteer here. To put myself in the line of fire for lawsuits over images that I didn't create, didn't copy, didn't publish and didn't use is absurd. Frankly, and bluntly, I'm tired. I've been under near constant onslaught of all sorts of very nasty wikipedians who work arduously to bring me down simply because I uphold the Foundation's directives and this local project's policies. Everybody has their tolerance limit. I was near it before this event. This event easily doubled how much crap I have to tolerate, and I'm now well beyond my limit. . I've just checked my e-mail from e-pol.org, and sure enough I'm part of the investigation. Absolutely unreal. God help you all that work to uphold your policies. These people will stop at nothing to have their way. --] 19:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Still, what will they get out of it? At least you can claim you've made an online encyclopedia a better place for everyone. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I'm really quite honored that one of my favorite WPians thought of me, but my outside view at the Martin RFC really sums up my feelings at present. I find it hard even to muster the energy to do my regular rounds of maintenance and policy discussion (minimal as they've been lately) when it seems that a certain culture in the high leadership is committed to disparaging open discussion. I'm not leaving outright (because, unlike what they tried to do with you, I haven't been persecuted directly) -- I'm just a little down on the long-term fate of this noble endeavor. Certainly, if the ArbCom elections affirm specific people, my expectations will sink even lower. | |||
| **<nowiki>:-o</nowiki> Un-fucking-believable. --] 19:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Even if I weren't feeling this way, I have other reasons for enjoying normal usership. I get to be a (usually quite civil) "bulldog" (ala ]) for the policies I support, without having to worry about "reputation" and all that. :) I think good admins (like you, and Splash, and Radiant) need a dedicated support staff that is happy to be more anonymous. | |||
| ::You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| The only thing that's ever swayed me is the change in policy that puts deletion logs behind a veil, which makes DRV hard to follow occasionally. On balance, though, I still think its better to stay where I am. I'll probably reconsider around my 8,000th edit; I have been adding edit sumaries more consistently than the last time you analyzed me! (55%) :) | |||
| :::Ali'i nailed it...I've only been in contact with you for a few days, Durin, but you've been an excellent source of info and decently rational discussion about the image removal process, and I'll miss your input. Keep us posted on how this process goes. Best wishes to you. ] (] | ]) 20:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Well that sucks. Do I have to assume that your offer to have a couple of beers and punch each other in the face is also off the table? At least consider coming back for doing a bit of editing: just like Jordan, you'll eventually miss the game as much as the game misses you. In the meantime, take care. ] 21:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Best wishes, and keep up the fight for fairness and happy 2006!, | |||
| *I'm so very sorry to see you go. Best wishes in this & everything else. ] 21:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] 21:05, 2 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **I'm sorry if it has to end this way, Durin. I certainly hope that you will return if this is settled. Out of all the people I have come into conflict with here on Misplaced Pages, you are the most civil and patient by far. Here's to hoping everything turns out alright! Regards, '']]]'' 23:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Not right== | |||
| *Well, I'm sorry to hear you don't want to be an admin. I think you would be excellent. I would like to say that despite your general despair, that being an admin is important even if you find yourself in such a situation. This is in fact part of my underlying reason why I decided to stick it out. There are plenty of people in any sufficiently large group with whom you are going to radically disagree. I found one in KM. That's easy enough to understand and accept. But, if that group that radically disagrees with you makes attempts at controlling whatever it is the group is doing, then there is an underlying fundamental philosophical question that needs to be addressed. That question can't be satisfactorily addressed by having those who disagree with the radically disagreeing subset leave the project. So, then the question devolves to; is satisfactorily addressing the issue(s) a worthy goal? That devolves even further; is Misplaced Pages itself a worthy goal? I think the answer is yes; and I think you do to, since you're still here despite your reservations. | |||
| This sucks. Hope you will be back soon. This "e-pol" stuff really doesn't sound right to me. I've never heard of e-pol. I tried finding out more on Google, but found nothing but their own website. There are virtually no backward links to e-pol.org. I looked at the information, and it doesn't seem right to me. I have doubts about e-pol, and recommend you do not give e-pol any information. Also, the fact that Danna's first contributions were so recent, on August 22. The first edit was to a wikiproject page, the next to create their userpage, and the following to create their talk page. Smells like a duck, walks like a duck... This just doesn't sound right. --] <small>(])</small> 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *In particular on your points: | |||
| :E-pol.org calls themselves "Electronic Protection Online Programme" or Electronic - Protection Online Programme" with the hyphen. Searching Google for "Protection Online Programme" and spelling variations turns up nothing. Zero results. If this was legit, even if some aspects of what they do are secret and confidential, there would still be something about it on Google. This definitely doesn't seem right to me. --] <small>(])</small> 21:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **I don't think you'd have to worry about reputation if you became an admin. I used to be concerned about it. Now, I'm not. I really don't care what my reputation is anymore. What I do care about is upholding the highest ideals of the project as best I see and can do. I can not reasonably expect everyone to never find fault with my actions. All I can do is act in good conscience, and to heck with reputation. I think you could find the same. | |||
| :*Nor me, but the complainant bringing this is obviously quite energized and willing to go to unreal lengths in their aggression against me. --] 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| **In specific regard to the outside view you mentioned; note that of the current 12 who support the view, fully half of them are administrators themselves. Your sentiment is obviously one that several people share. How do we best go about solving the problem? As noted above, not by leaving the project. Instead, we become *more* involved and seek advice from each other and discussion among everyone to help foster a more positive project. These are wiki-growing pains. We can't get past them by having the very people who could solve these problems walking away. | |||
| **Anonymous support staff? :) Well, to be bluntly honest...I have no friends here. I've never desired friends here, and I don't look to others to gain support. See my comments about reputation. I don't need anonymous support staff. That's not arrogance, it's just recognition that I can't please everyone all the time. So, I go about doing the best I can all the time, and that's the best I can do. If some more anonymous people agree with me, so be it. But, it's never been a goal. So, if you became an admin you would not be depriving me (or, I think, really anyone else) of an anonymous support staff. In looking through your edits, I was frankly surprised to see you'd contributed to my RfC. I got curious to see what you said. You were largely supportive; but I didn't remember that. | |||
| **Yes, your use of edit summaries is now 86.6% over the last 500 edits :) | |||
| *One of the things I like about you as a potential admin is that you'd have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the altar to say "I do" :) I don't nominate people who are actively seeking adminship, or who heavily flaunt themselves. In your comments, I've found you to be a thoughtful, reasonable person. These are great qualities! I've also seen your distribution in admin appropriate areas is radically different then others I have nominated or reviewed; 161 edits to WP:MFD, and 206 to WP:DRV. That kind of participation in those areas is rare. My only concern on you so far is whether you're too much of a deletionist for my taste, but your comments on your user page about saving articles from the brink speaks volumes on that count. 1051 edits to WP:AFD? Good lord. You're an AFD machine! Misplaced Pages *needs* you as an admin. | |||
| *So, tell me again you don't want to be an admin :) But, think it over first. You've already admitted you have a need for the priviledges inherent in being an admin; ability to see deletion logs. With admin privs, you'd be a lot more effective at WP:AFD and WP:MFD as well. I won't continue my review of your contributions until you say "yes", but everything I've seen so far is very, very promising. Come on! Say it! The priest is waiting...two little words..."I do" :) Holding a ring (or is that a ball and chain? :)) and tapping my foot, ] 22:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * Aude, good research. I tried at whois at register.com, and the website was registered in April of this year?? Go to http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx and type "e-pol.org". Weird. --] 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Your reply is quite funny, and certainly put a smile on my misshapen face. :) First, old business... I had typed an additional comment that actually just "edit conflict"ed with you. :) Below: | |||
| * . ] 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Coincidentally, I just happened across your "generational" comment at RFA talk, and find it quite interesting and likely correct. Much as I love reading ], I'm not much for living in a giant recreation of it, so my wiki-mood will probably pick up when (and if) the elders learn to accept reality or die off. ] 23:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I did a bit of research myself. Seems connected to some sort of hoax or donation fraud. See my comments on ANI. In any case the websites of the related organizations are all as laughable as the one of e-pol.org. Supposedly, it's part of the "United Network for Universal Aid" and you should try and google that for fun... ] 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *From what I can tell, E-POL's activities seem to be limited to sending you that e-mail, and having a website. Nothing else. ] 23:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Now, as for what you've said: I completely agree, first, with your philosophy on Wiki-friends; I don't use this place to socialize, and I don't go looking for allies. I do make mental lists of contributors I find to have the highest judgment, and I am fiercely loyal in defending them, if only because I believe sound judgment is the key virtue in any quest to compile the world's knowledge. This is what I meant by "anonymous support staff" -- I don't want you, or anyone, to remember me in particular; my goal is simply to give my sometimes verbose, rational support to those views (and their advocates) most likely to make this place sane, harmonious, and efficient. I have my wiki-friends (or wiki-models, I guess) who probably don't even know that I deeply respect them. I wouldn't have had occasion to let you know previously, except that you were persecuted, and I don't take well to the persecution of the just. | |||
| *The e-pol website is really quite creepy. If you click on the log tab it gives you a message that reads "Your IP and computer ID have now been logged". Wha??!! I didn't consent to that... Seriously something creepy about that website. I can see why this would make someone want to retire. ] ] 01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Afd... yes, if you'll look at the study of AfDs listed on ]'s page, you'll see I was ''almost'' in the top 30 at that time, and my votes were ''very close'' to 50/50, I'm proud to say. :) I don't vote religiously any more, for timesaving reasons, because I put a tremendous amount of thought into the votes. I consider that my tiny vote obliges me to ask whether the topic belongs in the corpus of human wisdom, and I don't vote delete unless I'm sure that the article needs to go. I count ] as one of those users whose judgment I honor, and (among the many reasons I decline adminship) I am happy to remain a normal user as long as he does. I now frequent DRV more often, to stop abuses of process, and help stop unilateralists (through reasoned argument) from acting before consensus is reached. | |||
| :*Your IP is logged on Misplaced Pages and can be checked through RFCU in case of abuse, it's no different here. Anytime you go to a site, you consend to letting them know your IP unless your using TOR, or something else. — ] ] 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::* I was aware of that your IP is recorded with every website but I wasn't aware it recorded your computer ID, *stupid moment* . I guess it's also the manner in which the message reads to be honest. When added with the claims of "We can trace you precisely" and that kind of message that they are giving out about legal action, it's creepy. ] ] 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Your philosophical appeal calling me to adminship was not unpersuasive. :) I agree that the project will only improve if rational actors increase their involvement (I am self-deprecating by nature, but I will admit that I'm at least a rational actor.) Your argument has clearly lifted my spirits, and given me reason to renew my dedication, following your example. :) I'll need time (probably quite a bit) before I agree that I'm to up the adminship challenge, though, so you shouldn't wait long at the altar, handsome though you are, I'm sure! :) One thing you, and everybody, should know is that (if and when I ever do take up the yoke of admin responsibility), I intend to resign and resubmit myself to RFA at least yearly. I believe strongly in the Cincinnatus/Geo. Washington example, and I'd like it if all admins did this. (You don't ''need'' too, of course, nor the others I admire... but something needs to be done to bring ] ] ], and a change in community standards must start somewhere.) As I said, that consideration is for the future, because I'm content and well-suited to usership for now. Thanks so much, though! Your effort was even more intelligent and compelling than I'd expect, and I have high expectations of you. :) Best wishes, ] 23:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::What is going on with those guys of e-pol? I crossed swords with them a while ago but I thought they were at the WTC when the 9/11, can someone brief me? ] 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Thank you for the feedback== | |||
| Thank you for the feedback that you left on my userpage. As you noticed, I am still rather new to Misplaced Pages and I am trying to find my place in the community. I would like to take the credit for the message that I left on the talk page of the person whose article I requested be speedied, but it is a subst that is at the bottom of the CSD page. ] 20:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Whoops! To many such templates these days to keep track of. Regardless, your intent was spot on. Good show! --] 20:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Sigh== | |||
| ==Suitability for adminship== | |||
| This is wrong. Don't let the bastards wear you down. Ignore the bogus legal threat and continue fighting the good fight. ] 21:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Durin, | |||
| I've been a contributor on en. for some time now, and I would like to get some feedback regarding your evaluation my potential suitability for adminship. I've reviewed your personal requirements, and I believe that I'm the type of person who you're looking for and is well suited to the added responsibilities. I have no 'admin lust for power' (smile), but I'm always looking for ways to be a more effective contributor. A review of my history will show that I am civil, I avoid edit warring, I work towards finding consensus in conflict, and I'm an active participant in the project side of Misplaced Pages (often in the form of VfD nomination, but also in RFA when appropriate). I thank you for your time, and best regards. - ]</small> (]) 23:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == :-o No! == | |||
| *I'd be happy to review you! Give me about a day, ok? --] 02:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **Great, thanks! - ]</small> (]) 02:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***I'm starting work on the review. According to Kate's tool, you are a tool. No wait, that's what your userpage says :) You've got 996 deleted edits. That's a lot! Are the majority of these speedy taggings, or what? --] 21:09, 4 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ****Yes, I'd guess that about 990 are from speedy delete taggings, one is from a misguided but well intentioned '''Guide to moving''' article I wrote back in 2004 before learning what Misplaced Pages was ] that was VfD'd (]), and the last couple are probably articles that I cleaned up or copyedited at some point that were merged or VfD'd after the fact. - ]</small> (]) 21:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Wanted to let you know, I am working on your review. I'm nearly done with everything except reviewing your user talk and mainspace talk page contributions (that takes a while). I think I should complete this tomorrow. Everything looks good so far. --] 21:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **Great, thanks for the update! - ]</small> (]) 21:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I haven't forgotten about you or anything. I only got so far on Friday. Time hasn't been in my favor of late. --] 05:45, 8 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **No hurry, thanks for the heads up. - ]</small> (]) 05:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***Just wanted to thank you again for working on this. Looks like you've got quite a crowd of people vying for your attention! If you'd like to do this some other time, I'll totally understand, just let me know. Best regards, ]</small> (]) 04:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ****Beyond minor edits, you're first on my list of wiki-things to do. Some real world things are greatly impacting my wiki-time. I'm trying; really, I'm trying! Thank you for your patience! :) --] 13:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I can't believe this. I know my only contact with you was an MFD war but you were a fine contributer. ''Please'' come back!. See also: ]--] 22:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re: Possible RfA nomination== | |||
| Greetings also, and Happy New Year! | |||
| == astroview120mm userboxes == | |||
| Thanks for your kind offer to consider nominating me for Adminship. Can I get back to you on this in a few days, as I would like some time to consider whether I would accept a nomination. I have become somewhat disillusioned with Misplaced Pages over this whole Userbox / Kelly Martin fiasco in the past few days. On the other hand, being an Admin would allow my voice on matters to be heard a bit better, and it would certainly help with the vandal fighting - something I've not done much of since Sam Hocevar's godmode script appears to be broken at the moment ''':'''( Time to test it out again!! | |||
| A user by the name of Durin has placed criticism on my talk page involving an oven that killed another user that I have not heard of before now. In case you are still here, I must tell you something: I did not invent User oven; I did however, use some userboxes from other user pages, which may have had hidden information that I did not see. I also do not actually remember placing "user oven" on my page. Please see my contributions or my user page history. You may be making this up. | |||
| Not sure if I'll make the 3,000 mark by January 9th, but I'll let you know once I've considered matters for a bit. Cheers. --<font color="2B7A2B">]</font> <font size="4">]</font> 11:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Come back== | |||
| :Just noticed your Admin related subpages - lots of useful reading there to help!! And, no, I am not going to read the section with the advisory health warning about ''falling asleep and whacking your forehead on the keyboard''. Looks like good advice to me :) --<font color="2B7A2B">]</font> <font size="4">]</font> 11:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I've seen you around the project and admired your edits. Always calm, rationale and patient! Please come back... | |||
| ] ] 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Regardless of any disputes happening (and they are always happening) having a diverse admin base is important to the success of the project. As I related to another individual, if there is a problem with the project we can't solve it by walking away. Thus, the question becomes...is the project worth it to solve the problem? I think the answer is yes. Considering your activity level, I think your answer is yes too. Ref ] for more on this. Take your time; like I found in Xoloz, one of the things I like to see in someone is to not ''actively'' be seeking adminship. As for advisory health warnings; *laugh* :) (or is that maniacal laughter? ;)) --] 15:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Templating the regulars == | |||
| :::Hello again Durin. | |||
| {{{icon|] }}}Please do not withdraw from ]. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's ] policy and impoverishes the encyclopedia. If you would like any help with anything, please use the . Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-npov2 adapted by-->----] 06:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Your assessment is correct. My recent disillusionment left me feeling particularly uncreative, so I have been working away on drudge tasks instead. The only possible conclusion is that I obviously do believe that the project is worthwhile, which is why I am still here. I have been reading your admin pages and looking at the various reading materials for prospective and actual admins, and doing a fair bit of thinking about your original question. | |||
| :Agreed here. You're a good guy, if you need a break by all means take one, but I sure hope to see you around again. Regardless, I wish you the best. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed. Your departure may be part of a ]... *sigh* -- '']']'' 23:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == I miss Durin == | |||
| :::I agree with you that a diverse admin base is a good thing. I have followed discussions on ] and related pages for some time now, and think some of the behaviour and decisions made there are questionable. I have rarely contributed because I felt that either it was more in the realm that admins only should comment on or, as a "little person", my opinion would be unheard or ignored. I realise now how wrong that view is, and everybody's voice should be heard if they have something valid to say. After the New Year "Misplaced Pages riots" I determined to become more active in these areas, and also matters like voting in RfA and the upcoming ArbCom elections. Ironically, your message arrived out of the blue as I was reading through the RfA pages, considering starting to vote. I have avoided this for the time being until I resolved whether I would accept your potential nomination or not. | |||
| Wish you could be enticed or convinced to return, Durin. Don't be griefed away. — ''']''' <sup>|''' ]'''</sup> | 06:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I have decided that I will accept a nomination, if I meet your various criteria for potential nominees. I am probably a bit light in some contribution areas, but that is something that I have already determined to address. I leave that evaluation up to you. So, I will leave you to do whatever it is you do for 2 hours, whenever that may happen, and thanks again for considering me for nomination. Cheers. --<font color="2B7A2B">]</font> <font size="4">]</font> 11:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Durin, we'll miss you== | |||
| ::::Your thoughtful words above prove all the more to me your worthiness as a person, wikipedian and potential admin. I have another nomination review in the que that I am working on, so it might be a little bit before I can begin yours. Also, as I predicted, you cleared 3,000 edits on January 9th :) I would like to note something to you regarding speaking up regarding questionable actions of admins: I've attempted to do this myself, and have met with mixed results. It is possible that if you take similar action, that you will incite the wrath of some particularly defensive admins. I believe too many admins view adminship as a permission slip to behave in very nasty ways with impunity. This is counter to the project, but from this chair it appears ArbCom is unwilling and/or incapable of intervening. I'd like to see this change, but until it does be very careful and polite in how you address admins that you feel are behaving improperly. It can lead to a great deal of stress and wikihardship for you. --] 16:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| He might have been a little bossy but he was a great ] and I was little disrespectful to him. Durin if you are reading this don't listen to those legal-threating bastards. All of us miss you! Don't listen to those gay pricks! Sorry about the ]. And I hope that by you reading this message <nowiki>*</nowiki><sup>sniffle</sup><nowiki>*</nowiki>, you'll come back!--] 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == You did the right thing == | |||
| Thanks for getting back to me. Yes, your prediction on my edit count was spot on and I hereby '''unilaterally''' promote you to the post of ]. Looks like all the drudge work dragged me up to 3000 after all :) And thanks for the advice, it's pretty much the conclusion I had come to over my time watching ]. I am sure you understand that I was being diplomatic with my language above. As I said earlier, I intend to refrain from voting in any RfA until such time as I am either not nominated, or any nomination for me is over. It would be too much like trying to ] for my taste, given that I know I may be in that very position soon. I would appreciate your thoughts on whether I should apply the same policy on voting for the ArbCom candidates. I change my mind on this almost hourly, but my voting finger is twitching madly!! What is the accepted ettiquette on such things? Any advice gratefully accepted, thanks. --<font color="2B7A2B">]</font> <font size="4">]</font> 10:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I read your farewell essay. I'm really sorry that you and those you care about have had bad experiences with litigation, but I have to agree with everyone else here that you shouldn't worry about it. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to pursue legal action against you. That being said, I think you made the right decision to leave Misplaced Pages. There was a time when I was in the bandwagon against you, angry about your crusade against images (although, thankfully, I never acted against you). After a time, I came to wonder why you were doing all the scutwork for administrators that wouldn't support you. I was glad to read that you thought about it, too. | |||
| It's nice that Misplaced Pages has lofty ideals about free content, but I believe that it's a better, more useful encyclopedia with the fair use images. The fact that nobody has yet taken legal action against Misplaced Pages for the use of these images (according to one of you old talk pages, I believe), does not prove that it will never happen. It is, however, a good indicator that it's very unlikely to happen, and I still believe that the enforcers of this unfortunate Misplaced Pages policy are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. | |||
| == When was the last time that I didn't edit wikipedia for a day? == | |||
| Regardless, they are clearly not serious about enforcing their policies, and I respect your decision not to put yourself through hell for them any longer. I suggest you find a project that cares as much about you as you do about it. I have faith that you'll find it and I wish you the very best of luck. | |||
| Yes, the subject line says it all. I'm going on holidays soon and won't be able to edit wikipedia for a week, so my question is: taking into account my time zone of UTC +8, when was the last time I didn't edit wikipedia for a whole day? This has been quite hard: I've always had the urge to check my watchlist and make at least one minor edit every day for the last six months or so. When I leave on the 8th of January, I'd like to be able to think ""this is the first day I haven't edited wikipedia in xxx days/weeks/months". | |||
| P.S. Don't sweat the legal crap. The ball's in their court and there's no sense in you worrying about something that will probably never happen and that you have little control over at this point. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Thanks, ] ] 13:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Codelyoko193 == | |||
| *September 15th and 16th of 2005 (adjusted for your time zone) you had no edits. --] 14:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC) PS: Keep in mind this does not include deleted edits, of which you have 186. I have no time stamp for them. --] 14:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Thanks for that. That's kind of scary that I've been editing for 112 days straight - I must be addicted! Most of my deleted edits were marking speedies, and I always did those after a ton of minor edits, so I think that figure is accurate. | |||
| I know you might not remember me, and you most likely won't read this, but you removed fair use from my userpage. I then gave you my special award. Goodbye, and farewell. Thanks, ] <sub>]</sub> 18:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *As for being an administrator, I'd like to, but not yet. The main problem I have is that I sometimes do things on impulse which I will later regret. For example, what exists now of ], when I removed a significant chunk of info without discussion just because ] said it didn't belong. If I was elected to adminship, I would use my powers carefully, knowing that they are a privilege, not a right. Therefore, I'd like to know what I can do to improve for adminship, thinking about a future nomination. | |||
| *I am also quite surprised that there are not more people with a vision impairment on wikipedia. The only admin I know of who uses a screen reader is ], and I know that ] and ] also work a lot on blindness-related articles. I tried to teach a blind friend of mine how to use wikipedia, and the biggest problem she had was the links, because jaws paused after reading every link title. There are other ways to get around the site which are easy once you get used to them, but they require the user to be knowledgeable about how their screen reader functions on the internet. Most screen reader users do not employ the full power of their screen readers, especially on the internet. Most don't know how to use forms effectively, and I guess that is why not many blind people contribute to wikipedia. ] ] 05:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It seems as though he made two edits on October 5th. Hm... '''Thanks''', ] <sub>]</sub>] 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ArbCom advice == | |||
| == Who knew? == | |||
| Hi Durin! Since you are one of the users here who I respect greatly for your thoughtful insight and knowledge, do you have any advice as to how I should vote? | |||
| Hey, Durin. You most likely have no idea who I am, but after reading your reason for departure, I had to leave a note of support on your talk page. The actions by the antagonist were horribly idiotic (for lack of a better term), and taking legal action against you was unjustified. I don't see what illegal actions you did, all you did was notify the user of the law of the land (in this case, the land is Misplaced Pages), and even if in some way the images were donated to a "foundation for children," why would legal action be necessary? And anyway, if she were to take legal action, why would it be against you? What if I was the one that notified her of the images? Would I be the target of legal action? Shouldn't she be suing Misplaced Pages, if suing at all? What I'm trying to say is, why did you retire because of legal action? As far as I know (and, I've gotta admit, I'm not a lawyer, so steer me in the right direction about this whole matter if I'm wrong), you did nothing illegal. I just thought I had to leave this message because I felt that the antagonist had no right to steer you into retirement. Regards, <small>'']''</small>''']''' 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| My current slate consists of Charles Matthews, Dmcdevit, Everyking (controversial, I know, but I think a voice who speaks against bans can be a good thing on Arbcom), Filliocht, Merovingian, Mindspillage (this is the only current arbitrator I feel like supporting just now), Nandesuka, Ral315 and SimonP. | |||
| :''P.S.'', I hope no one sees me calling the aforementioned user an antagonist as a personal attack, because it's not. It's just my version of a joke. | |||
| Any others you think I ought to add to the list? ] ] 14:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Husnock== | |||
| *This is a difficult question. I myself have not fully answered it. I can tell you who I am ''not'' voting for and the reason for it. First, the reason: There is a very serious and growing problem within Misplaced Pages. Some of the nature of this problem is outlined by me ]. But, that does not cover the entire problem. I've been pondering how to scope the problem for a while, in an attempt to clearly define exactly what the problem is and do so in as concise a manner as possible so as to gather people within Misplaced Pages in a unified voice to declare the problem as real and in need of being solved. I've been in discussions with a number of people both here and offline in trying to achieve this. At this point, I don't think I'll be able to complete this work before the elections begin, and I certainly won't be able to garner support sufficient to sway people's voting patterns to produce an ArbCom that is willing to tackle the issue. I wish I'd really understand the gravity of the situation some months ago, but I was not as fully aware of it then as I am now. As much as I understand it at this point in time, these are the factors that play into this problem: | |||
| **Casual disrespect for new users by admins, some members of ArbCom, and even Jimbo. Not only must you be an experienced user to have your voice heard (and even being an admin doesn't count as experienced anymore), but you must also be acceptable by some nebulous standard before your voice carries any weight. In short, if you're not in the 'in' group, your voice lacks merit. | |||
| **''Willful'' ignorance of policy and guidelines by some admins, and ArbCom supporting their actions in many cases. | |||
| **ArbCom's utter unwillingness to hear a case against ''some'' people yet clear willingness to hear cases against other admins who behaved much in the same way. I.e., major bias within ArbCom. | |||
| **ArbCom's several recent decisions and explanations which have, in summary, left all ] as meaningless. Policy is, according to ArbCom, defined as "common sense" and by how we do things. Both of these definitions of policy are nearly entirely encompassed within individual judgement rather than community judgement; this is starkly against what so much of Misplaced Pages tells us it is supposed to be; consensus. | |||
| *As one of the people I am working with said, Misplaced Pages is no longer "genuinely free and intellectually open" and may never have been so. Yet, it defines itself as such. This leaves the project in a constant quandary. The ongoing utter disrespect for new members of our community is causing quite a number of people to leave, even if they aren't the ones being disrespected. They realize that we can not long live if the project insists on casting asperions on the very lifeblood of our work. Further, they realize we can not change this with the status quo as it is; an unrepentent ArbCom that refuses to enact change, and Jimbo supporting them in such at every turn. Thus, the project to them is untenable. Their view has merit, and I am increasingly becoming of the same view. | |||
| *ArbCom must change to heal this problem. It will take some very dedicated, intelligent individuals to solve this great problem. I believe the following people are either utterly incapable of helping to heal the growing rift or are actively contributing to the problem (in alphabetical particular order, and I am not going to cite evidence for each; very time consuming): Aranda56, Fred Bauder, Golbez, Kelly Martin, Ilyanep, Jayjg, Jdforrester (James F.), Luigi30, NSLE, Snowspinner, Tony Sidaway. Were David Gerard running, I would vote against him for abuse of checkuser priviledges. But, he's not. Nevertheless, I fully expect David Gerard to be re-appointed to ArbCom by Jimbo at some point. There may be others that I will vote against on the same grounds as above. I haven't completed my analysis yet on a number of candidates. | |||
| *The only candidates on your list that I have reviewed to some extent are Mindspillage and Nandesuka. Mindspillage I am leaning somewhat in favor of based on the evidence I have seen of recent. But, I have to say I have a gut feeling this might not be a good choice, but I have nothing to support that feeling right now. I will most likely vote in favor of Nandesuka. I think he will do a great deal towards solving the problem. Hope this helps, --] 15:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Durin, I'm going to tell Husnock/OberRanks to stop uploading and editing images on pain of blocking. Hopefully, he will do so. If he refuses, I will indef him myself. I don't give a darn if he keeps insisting he's not Husnock, it is painfully apparent to everyone that he is. It's probably best to just ignore his protests about that. If he wishes to edit, he can edit text only. ] ] 17:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for your well thought out response. Some of the people you mentioned are ones who I have had good and positive experiences talking with, including Kelly Martin (mutual support on each of our RFAs my conversations with her have been good), Tony Sidaway (always treated me well personally), and Golbez (brilliant vandal hunter). Yet, I know that the liberal interpretation of IAR professed by means that I will be opposing them which will be really painful. It will be made especially painful by this being an "open ballot" rather than a closed one. I guess I will have to tell myself that I am judging their suitability for Arbcom, and not their worthiness as Misplaced Pages editors. With Golbez I can tell myself that putting him on Arbcom will mean taking a powerful vandal fighter out of the RC patrol arena (which is a horrendously bad thing which should immediadately disqualify him for ArbCom). | |||
| :There are two problems which I think are quite serious with Misplaced Pages right now, problems which I feel have increased since I registered my username in March. First is the increasing amount of vandalism which is overloading the RC patrollers. Today, I find myself reverting old vandalism which has slipped past the RC patrol more often than I have ever done before. The second is an overreliance on the ] guideline by administrators, those charged with upholding our policies, something which, I agree with you, has been backed up too much by the ArbCom. I'll admit, I have invoked IAR a few times, for instance, today I decided to speedy keep ] without any real policy support it apart from taking a chance that nobody will protest. But I have seen more and more invocations of IAR since last summer, invocations used to override community consensus rather than to expediate it. It motivated my decision to ] on IAR in my userspace. | |||
| :The Arbcom I'm looking for will be a bit more eager to accept cases like ] and the "Wheel warring" case brought by ], and a bit ''less'' eager to accept cases like ]. I feel that the Webcomics case was a horrendous waste of time, and after a lot of bickering and ill will in the workshop, it ended in the ArbCom telling everyone to play nice and that saying that someone is "not capable of making reasonable judgments of notability" is not a personal attack (Well, I think that 4-3 is insufficient and that you need five supports to pass it, I'll give some merits to Kelly, Fred and Jayjg for being sensible on that finding). It is because of the same problems you mention that I am intending to vote for only one of the incumbants. | |||
| :Well, I feel it's time for a break now. At any rate, thanks for your thoughts. You are looking for the same qualities in the candidates that I am looking for, and I think that our votes in the election may look quite similar. ] ] 16:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Shhh... == | |||
| == Instituto de Biologia Molecular e Celular == | |||
| <small>Aloha and welcome back... in whatever limited form it may be. Please try and not let the fairusabusers get you down. You're important to the freedom (freedomness?) of the project. Mahalo. --] 15:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small> | |||
| I created the article ], English name for ''Instituto de Biologia Molecular e Celular'' in Portugal. Due to possible copyright problems it was temporarily blocked. In the meanwhile somebody deleted the article, forgotten that a Institute for Molecular and Cell Biology/Temp already exist. | |||
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| Then I created the article ] using the Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology/Temp I had created also. | |||
| == Long ago comments == | |||
| Now there is a Singaporean article in the ], for an institute from Singapore. I think we should create a disambiguation page... | |||
| Hi Durin. I saw your comments over at the Arbcom request page, so hopefully you are still around to see this. I just wanted to thank you again for the long ago comments you made on my talk page about how I should accept an RfA nomination. It took a while, but I eventually did go for it, and I linked to your comments in my statement there. I'm still practicing with the tools before I start using them properly, but it was really your comments (along with some others later) that made me realise that I was procrastinating too much. Hope to see you around more in the future. ] 11:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| There's a small confusion here with the designations. | |||
| Bye.] 14:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==List of Misplaced Pages editors by edit count== | |||
| *Thank you for your explanation, and good work! I've deleted the temp page now. --] 15:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Please explain what the 'problem' with listing the edit count of 'placeholder' is... | |||
| == Subpage deletion == | |||
| Also, I thought you were 'retired' but I guess not...] 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks! ] <sup>"]"</sup> 15:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I'm not going to endlessly debate this. I've stated my reasons a bunch of times. You are not respecting the wishes of the people who do not want to be on this list. Hell, you even forced ME back on the list. You're not even following the instructions on the list. Back off. --] 18:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| I noticed you've posted some comment to this user regarding his unblocking, I've checked and it appears the autoblock kicked in, can you undo this? | |||
| : {{tl|not orphan}}? — ''']''' <sup>|''' ]'''</sup> | 18:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| <pre>19:37, 6 January 2006, Talrias blocked #77721 (expires 19:34, 7 January 2006) (Autoblocked...</pre> | |||
| Thanks --]<sup>(<font color="mediumseagreen">]</font>)</sup> 21:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Still here? == | |||
| * Ah. That's what happened. The block created a xerox of itself. :) Yeah, I'll look into it. --] 21:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ** Thanks, Durin, for talking with Xerocs. It looks like you're off to a good start with showing him the Wiki-ropes. ] ] 01:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| You are still in wikipedia? lol i tought u have retired.-Wandering wikipedian-] 01:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Cheers for reverting, I wasn't exactly sure, perhaps I should have asked on ]. Sorry 'bout that. ]]</font> <sub>(]+])</sub> 00:56, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== :-) == | ||
| Good to see you around, if only for a little bit. :-) --] 06:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I replyed to your questions in my RFA, Thanks --] ] 01:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * "''Frankly, I can't believe I am getting this much grief for stating a position with respect to this candidate''" - unless you've been monitoring RfAs recently, you have no idea how aggressive everyone has gotten. :-( Well, I guess you do, since you are now experiencing it first hand! But still... :-\ --] 21:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I replyed again, I honestly 100 percent never knew that I removed M0RHI comment until now and I would had fixed it if I knew. and I'm tagging the Image:Leiriadis.gif as nosource as I saw the original edit summary as PD by the user and I thought PD and that was a mistake in my part. --] ] 01:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == New York Yankees logo == | |||
| Honestly this is the last chance I got in becoming a admin, I'm heading down the path of inactivty and if I become a admin, I probaly won't have time to use the powers as I got baseball season coming up, and also after baseball season ends, I'm going to have surgery for a bad arm defect that had since birth and I'm probaly going to be in a cast for months until fall, and after that I will be in my senior year of high school and my GPA is a bit low and I probaly won't be in wikipedia again. Should I withdraw my RFA, as I honestly have no time for wikipedia coming up and if I get elected I probaly won't have anytime to enjoy it. Thanks --] ] 01:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I just came to add a separate note but see you wrote this here Jorge. I would not withdraw your nomination. You have to realise that you need thick skin to go through these type or peer review. Those that are critical are trying to be constructive. You have many supporters too. You saw what Celestianpower and Christopher Parham said in your defense. Just let it play out. More importantly if you show you do not have a thick skin this may go against you with regard to adminship too. This very issue came up in your first two RfA's | |||
| I've started a discussion about this at ] - I was going to notify you, but saw the retired tag and didn't realize you were actually still active; I didn't notice until just now that you were the one that tagged ]. —] 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Other points that I think could help you along are the following. 1) If I were you i would not play the broken toe card (or arm for that matter) it can only go against you since it might seem like you are trying to get the sympathy vote. 2) Think hard before replying to criticism. Be humble and definitely not overly defensive. Other editors will come to your defense if the criticism is too harsh. So often I have seen RfA's turn for the worse when the candidate gets defensive. 3) Don't say to other users this is my last chance i am not editing in wikipedia for another nine months. the obvious reply is then come back in a year. So again, just let it play out. ] ] 01:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Omma miss ya == | |||
| I withdrew, I just won't have the time. --] ] 01:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| You're one of the few admins who had the whole adminship thing right. :( ] (]) 17:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for the offer, but I'm just going to be to inactive soon, I might edit here or there around but still not planning to edit much until Fall and if I do it's going to be on commons or to get the ] article into featured, thanks --] ] 01:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Thank you! --] (]) 14:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Review of Fair Use pictures== | |||
| Acually, now that I have some time in my hand, as I can't have doctors clearance for baseball because of my arm, I accpect your offer, I'm still going to be editing much less than before, and I lost my desire for becoming a admin for now. But still Thanks :) --] ] 01:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Are you still around? If yes, could you please review the apparently non-free images in the article ]. I'm talking at the black and white pictures in the ''clearance'' section. I'm not sure about what policy covers these or where to go to have them reviewed. --] (]) 17:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Thank you== | ||
| I just came to visit my old friend, Durin, to find out that he quit Misplaced Pages! I'm sad, because although the first time I met you on Misplaced Pages, I thought you were unfriendly for removing my images, I got to know you, and you're a really nice guy. I hope you decide to join Misplaced Pages again. Cheers always. :) --]]] 17:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for fixing the formatting. It looks a lot better and now I see how the correct formatting keeps the numbers intact. ] ] 01:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==rollback== | |||
| has been ] to you (now live for non-admins), as an encouragement to edit here more ;). ] 19:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Admin Criteria== | |||
| == Replaceable fair use Image:LittoralCombatShip-ArtistsRendering.jpg == | |||
| I saw your discussion of people's admin criteria and was curious what you thought of mine. Besides the usual criteria like "shouldn't blow up the wiki" : there's one in particular: the candidate should have a good understanding of ]. Since you have very strong thoughts about abuse of the ignore all rules guideline in particular, what do you think of asking candidates about their understanding of it? | |||
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| (Note: This blurb references ].) Hey Durin, I just read what you said about the rioting on Misplaced Pages. You're not the only one who has noticed this glaring problem in our little community. You've always been one of my favorite members as I've wandered about here, and this incredibly apt and timely statement you made only reinforces that thought. Now, enough stroking your ego. I'd like to share my thoughts on the issue with you, and see where it brings us. | |||
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| Firstly, the most glaring problem with our community as it stands relates to class, but it's actually just an "age" issue: Old vs. new. Many admins who have been here a long time have begun to exhibit signs of what I interpret as anti-wikiness, which is to say, they are hostile to newbies and their newfangled ways. I think the whole userbox controversy (which I participated in by starting that dreadful RfC which nevertheless brought the issue to the forefront; had I not done the RfC, someone else would have) is a symptom of this, and it manifests itself in other, more nefarious ways. ] and ] are nice and all, but sometimes, consensus simply is needed. Old-timey admins seem to have gotten the idea into their heads that if what the community decides to do interferes with ], it should go. What I believe was forgotten in the whole mix was what a wiki is, fundamentally, and that is a '''community-driven''', community-written encyclopedia. Piss off the community, and you have an encyclopedia falling apart at the seams. Not to mention you've sold out your original intent simply because Misplaced Pages does not as closely represent the ideal encyclopedia as it is believed it should. Is this view invalid or inferior? Perhaps not, but nonetheless I find it a disturbing development, and absolutely against the fundamental principles this encyclopedia was founded with. | |||
| Your further thoughts on this would be appreciated, Durin. I think a lot of admins need to wake up, and soon, or else Misplaced Pages may little resemble its former self in a few short months. —] (]) 04:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Agree with both of you. I was actually contemplating starting an RFC on this issue at ], and playing with the idea that Ends and Means were two users of Misplaced Pages... not sure it would work though, and would be quite a lot of effort. What else is there, though? Seriously propose ]? (See ].) Form a Wikipedian group, ], to coordinate efforts to enforce and develop policy? (I think part of the problem is that policy hasn't kept up with community needs, which leads to excessively loose interpretation and associated arbitrariness.) In general, there are too many people who don't seem to understand why respecting due process (with as little bureaucracy as possible, of course) is in Misplaced Pages's best long-term interest, even if on any given day it's a pain in the arse. Finally, I'd like to see Jimbo agree not to intervene in everyday affairs (I'm thinking of the Marsden affair), because it's like the President making a citizen's arrest on a suspected mugger: (a) he's surely got better things to do and (b) it subverts ordinary processes, which is not in Misplaced Pages's long-term interest. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:45, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::One thing that might help in the very long term would be a fundamental revision of how editing works; I call it "WikiSquared". At the moment, all revisions go public immediately, and any peer review of whether the revision should be made occurs after the fact. But ideally, changes should be reviewed before being made public to the ordinary reader, with edits made to a temporary version, and being reflected automatically in the public version under certain rules (eg the edit is a revert; is to an article with only one contributor; is supported by X other editors; is unopposed after X minutes, etc). With appropriate rules (which needn't be fixed, or apply to all articles), this would more or less kill vandalism, and reduce the risk of edit wars being played out in public. It would require a massive software change though. (It also sounds a bit complicated, but done right, with the software doing the heavy lifting, it would be very simple.) ] <sup>]</sup> 17:45, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| * I dare say that not only are we not the only ones who have observed this, but I am of the opinion that if we put together a well thought out petition regarding the global issue, we'd get hundreds of signatures. | |||
| * Have a look at . In particular, "Respected editors also respect the anarchic "accept all comers" approach". This is utterly false in practice. The "elite" have made disregarding the opinions of newcomers routine. As one person who would stand against us put it, "It's not how many sign, but WHO signs". The reality is, there is a social strata in Misplaced Pages. Our documentation says otherwise. The disagreement is disruptive. The people who insist on their being a social strata are way out of line. This includes much of ArbCom as it exists now and Jimbo himself (in my opinion...I will need to research this more to understand his view better). | |||
| * Have a look at , especially item #3. Juxtapose one ArbCom member's (granted, taken out of context but relevant anyways) comment "Screw process". Note that the page says these foundational issues are "essentially beyond debate". Interesting, no? ArbCom has turned their back on the foundational issues and casually disregarded them. | |||
| * As another ArbCom member put it, policy is "common sense". Of course, what is common to you or me might be labeled as insane by someone from a very different culture than either of ours, yet they are contributors to Misplaced Pages. "Common sense" based policy for a community as large as this leads to anarchy. ] outlined ] of how this can go horribly wrong. Another hypothetical example; imagine if I went on a deletion spree against elementary schools or pokemon character articles! | |||
| * Extending the second point above, the idea of "community" is casually disregarded as well. The community does not matter, according to some, because we are not here to build a community. Thus, the idea of community is irrelevent. This is, of course, absurd. Without the community, you wouldn't have contributors. | |||
| * What constitutes a riot on Misplaced Pages? Note that this is not the easiest of questions to answer. It's not the same as in person; we don't have thousands of people rushing the streets with police in riot gear chucking tear gas canisters and hosing people down with high pressure water cannons. As a result, I think quite a few people are failing to recognize just how serious the problem is because what we think of a riot (as imaged above) simply can not happen at Misplaced Pages. So, defining exactly what a riot is can help to show just how bad the situation is. There's many things which can point to there being a riotous environment; how frequently are good editors leaving (this is very hard to gauge)? How often are wheel wars happening? How frequently are admins becoming inactive? Can you guys think of others? These might be important metrics to help gauge the health of the community. Or, the state of unrest. | |||
| * User sanction review might be a great idea. As Mindspillage said on WP:RFA talk, " actually equipped to handle really fundamental issues of Misplaced Pages culture such as are being brought up". So, perhaps there does need to be another structure in place. Right now, there is little enforcement of anything going on. I believe a state of anarchy exists. I can't find where I read it now, but I read another ArbCom member saying that ArbCom isn't punitive, but corrective. I.e., ArbCom won't punish for past actions. ArbCom will only take action to prevent future damage to Misplaced Pages. Personally, this is ridiculous. Let's take real life. A person robs ten banks, knowing it is against the law. He is arrested and brought to trial. He then says under oath, "I promise not to do it again". The judge rules that since his future risk to society is non-existent thanks to his promise, that he can go free. ArbCom ''isn't'' a court, but the notion that we should not be taking punitive action because someone promised not to do it in the future is frankly absurd. Misplaced Pages related behavior; KM and TS. KM has still not made any assurance that she won't go on a userbox deletion spree again. TS, after the whole debate began (and he was well aware of the debate...he had previously commented on the RfC) went on a userbox deletion spree exactly akin to KM's. But, according to ArbCom, since he stopped there's no reason to intercede. I.e., so long as you stop doing <x>, there's no consequences for having done <x>. | |||
| * Wikipedians for due process might also be a worthy idea. But, it will be adamantly opposed just like sanction review would be. | |||
| * Hypocrisy is, in my opinion, rampant among a number of these people. I hate to use this as an example, as I really do ''not'' want to focus on KM, but note that even a week after this deletion spree began by her in part to delete userboxes that had fair use images in them, KM has a fair use image in a userbox on her user page. The use of it there is illegal under copyright law. The idea of "do as I say, not as I do" is rampant in this general group of people who have decided policy is meaningless. | |||
| * I think one of the chief problems isn't that policy hasn't kept up, but rather that policy can be changed by anyone, anytime. If it is "OFFICIAL policy" (emphasis mine) why is it that anyone can edit it at any time? All policy and guideline pages should, by default, be protected. This might seem anti-wiki, but you can't have a system of laws (and really, that's what policy/guidelines is interpreted as by many people; rightly or wrongly that's how they see it) that can change on a whim, with little or no community input. It'd be like changing from week to week whether marijuana is legal or not. Result? People who want to dabble in <x> activity but want to stay within the bounds of the law can end up getting caught in a "gotcha" because policy keeps on changing, right underneath their feet. Example; I recently put a non-notable band article up for AfD on the grounds that it failed ]. Little did I know, CSD A7 had changed a few weeks earlier to allow such articles to be speedied. If another user saw me do this, they could easily think "Hey, he's an experienced user and admin. He thought it should go through Afd!" and follow suit on other articles. | |||
| * Rd232, I agree that Jimbo shouldn't be involved as you noted. | |||
| * WikiSquared sounds like a great notional idea. Unfortunately, it's unlikely to be implemented because so much in the way of the software would have to change. | |||
| * Vandalism is a very serious issue threatening Misplaced Pages. I saw an editor recently who noted that he looks at the last 500 (as opposed to last 50) recent changes when doing RC patrol, and looks at the oldest changes first. I started doing this and found an amazing amount of undetected vandalism. The number of changes per day per admin continues to increase. I.e. the number of changes that should be reviewed measured as "work load" is going up (and rapidly). I recommend both of you start doing as this editor suggested and I do now. Jimbo's reaction to vandalism? Stop IPs from making new articles. Result? The number of changes per day per admin continues to rise at the same rate, and not surprisingly the number of new users heavily spikes. Yes, I have data to back this up. I'm taking a snapshot of ] every day. | |||
| I would like help in creating a discussion area for us and others of similar mind to hammer out a focused statement of sorts, to outline the scope of this general problem with the intention of fostering change, perhaps with a petition drive. The problem is we'd likely be victimized by people who radically disagree with us. As such, I think this needs to be a page in user space, and not Misplaced Pages space. That will give us more latitude to be exclusionary to people who attempt to hijack the process (as happened at ] at while back, when Ambi and TS stepped in). I know excluding people sounds anti-wiki. Perhaps it is, but what I am looking for is preventing abuse of process, and not really excluding people; just excluding people who insist on abusing the process. Thoughts? --] 20:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :One problem, as I see it, is that those who see a conflict between the interests of the encyclopedia and the interests of the community don't have the right mental model of how this thing works. The interests of the community ''are'' the interests of the encyclopedia since the former is building the latter. | |||
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| I dislike the tone you used in your edit to the "homework" discussio on RFA Talk. My guess is you've missed a lot of the recent flap about userboxes, Kelly Martin, MSK, and all the various RFC's that have been happening. It has gotten to the point where the politics are everywhere, and it's hindering actually contributing to the encyclopedia. I was trying to go about my business and add articles or flesh out stubs I had created, and I kept getting "You have new messages". Further, when I look at my watchlist, I see all kinds of edits to talk/user pages with seemingly unending vitriole and spite. We had something of a perfect storm at the beginning of this year -- the ArbCom votes, the userbox "scandal," and some seriously overworked or otherwise weary admins. What resulted was all three becoming various incarnations of witch hunt, popularity contest, and lynching. Character assasination is happening continually. I think that the most important flaw in the RFA process is that it has led us here. As Radiant said, we have over 800 admins. It's not like we're exactly hurting for more. The real problem is the admins we have are either involved in squabbling at length over various things or are otherwise deluged with the tide of malicious behavior. Something has to happen to help us get back on track of working on the encyclopedia, and changing the RFA process is probably the lowest hanging fruit. All the various WP:* "rules" aren't presently helping us. People are ignoring policy everywhere, and creating new policy that simply reinforces their idea that their behavior is correct or good faith. I'm interested to hear what your perception of the current situation is. ] 20:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| *I'm sorry if you disagree with my tone. I readily admit to be a bit tired of hearing it's all RfA's fault, yet not a single person has been able to present evidence that RfA is to blame. I am well aware of the riots that broke out around the beginning of the year. Though I did not comment on the userbox fiasco, I closely watched it. You might like to see my edits ] and ] for some output from me regarding this situation. I believe it is quite serious. As for having "enough" admins; one of the primary tasks for admins is reverting vandalism. One metric for determining whether we need more admins or have enough is the number of edits per day per admin; i.e. the number of edits that need to be reviewed per admin, on average, to ensure that vandalism does not creep into the encyclopedia. You might be surprised to know that this number has shown an 80% increase over the last 10 months. Indeed, it appears RfA isn't promoting admins fast enough, even though the rate of admin promotions has been increasing as well. At this juncture, there is no evidence to suggest that RfA is the problem. It's conjecture. Are there bad admins getting through? Yes. RfA's fault? Hard to establish that, and even if there were that we could come up with a process to fix the problem. The source of the problem isn't, in my opinion, RfA. It's ArbCom and Jimbo. For example, for refusing to take a stance on wheel warring, and in fact in Jimbo's case engaging in it to a degree himself. See ]. So far, it's 3-0 rejected. ArbCom has effectively vacated policy; it no longer applies. What matters is "common sense" and experience of past traditions. This is a terrible situation. You might like to have a look at ] and ]. These are a step in the right direction I think. We are too large and too diverse of a community now to rely on "common sense". What is common sense to you might not be so to me, and vice versa. Process and policy must develop in consensus developed ways, and be enforced as such. --] 20:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for not interpreting my comment as an attack. I had hoped that wouldn't come across as one. I'm not convinced we disagree on this subject. I agree with everything you said, but I think I would generalize it and say that "something is wrong," and to find the "source of the wrongness" is quite hard. Further, because the community is so embroiled and polarized right now, coming to a level headed decision would be hard. For that matter, I don't know that a level headed decision in this community anymore. It seems that we've reached a sort of critical mass. I don't think the problem is that RFA isn't promoting admins rapidly enough, it seems to me that the admins aren't doing enough, or the software isn't protecting itself well enough. I'd rather come up with a way to protect the site through the software than depend on people who (understandably) get upset. The state of the site and the recent "riots" have led to people crusading on one front or another, and this too hurts any chance for reconciliation from the... wetware. ] 21:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :::I think we have different vantage points with some similarity in views. I wouldn't say we disagree really. I've despaired that there is any one person who can solve all of the problems or find a core problem that undermines the impact of the other problems. I think we can induce change that corrects some of the problems. One of these is the current ArbCom election which is unseating a number of current ArbCom members. Re: vandalism. Yes, it's hard work fighting vandalism and the software needs to evolve to handle it far better than it does now. I've some thoughts about this ]. For my own part with regards to the riots, I haven't gotten involved. I am very self-strict about sticking to policy. With an exception, this has kept me out of trouble. I have seen the impact of the riots, and I am quite upset about it. --] 21:27, 17 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::After reading all of the comments on your above links, I am deeply saddened to agree with most of it. Hopefully it's not all as dire as it seems, especially since it seems to have happened so rapidly. That having been said, I am not sure I see a solution. The RFA modification "brainstorm" seems to be a feature of the greater ill. ] 21:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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I'm terribly sorry for removing your notice, it was an accident. I was just reading through the archives, and forgot it was a past edition. Sorry about that. And I'm sorry if you don't want messages posted on this page now, but I wanted to contact you somehow! I don;t mind if you delete it again. I'm very sorry to see that you've left, and thankyou for your contributions. Good luck in life my friend, and sorry about my mistake before. Lradrama 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:-(
Sorry to see you go, Durin. I've seen nominal legal threats before, but I've never seen a note of pending litigation. How appalling. I was wondering when you might slow down editing (in relation to your earlier comments regarding lack of desire to edit), but I didn't realize it would close so quickly. :(
Best wishes in whatever endeavours you pursue. --Iamunknown 18:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- You're one of the best, and have been enormously useful to Misplaced Pages. I'm terribly sorry to see this, and hope somehow that it will be sorted out. Good luck, and thank you for always answering my questions so patiently and helpfully. ElinorD (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- What a nasty way to end an otherwise fine wiki-career. I know you'd been telling me for months you'd been on the brink of leaving, but I always thought you'd stay anyway. This is just... horrible. My second friend to leave Misplaced Pages in 3 days :( Majorly (talk) 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Seriously? Right when I was about to join Durin's Fair Use Army full-time?!?! E kala mai. A hui hou, Durin. --Ali'i 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Someone still has to do the job. Majorly (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- More like 10 people to equal the quality output Durin was creating. :-) But hopefully this is just a minor, temporary thing, and Durin will return shortly. --Ali'i 18:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- There's a slim chance I will return, but it's a Michael Jordan-esque "That 1% is for me and you can't have it". I'm in contact with the people who are prosecuting this investigation. Pending outcome of that, I *might* return. But, Majorly is right. I've been pondering leaving for a while for a variety of reasons. This isn't the final straw; that analogy is incorrect. It's more like the impact event theorized for the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event. It is astonishing to me that someone would go to such lengths over a handful of images. It's not worth it to me. I am a volunteer here. To put myself in the line of fire for lawsuits over images that I didn't create, didn't copy, didn't publish and didn't use is absurd. Frankly, and bluntly, I'm tired. I've been under near constant onslaught of all sorts of very nasty wikipedians who work arduously to bring me down simply because I uphold the Foundation's directives and this local project's policies. Everybody has their tolerance limit. I was near it before this event. This event easily doubled how much crap I have to tolerate, and I'm now well beyond my limit. The bastards won. I've just checked my e-mail from e-pol.org, and sure enough I'm part of the investigation. Absolutely unreal. God help you all that work to uphold your policies. These people will stop at nothing to have their way. --Durin 19:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Still, what will they get out of it? At least you can claim you've made an online encyclopedia a better place for everyone. Lradrama 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- :-o Un-fucking-believable. --Ali'i 19:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. Lradrama 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ali'i nailed it...I've only been in contact with you for a few days, Durin, but you've been an excellent source of info and decently rational discussion about the image removal process, and I'll miss your input. Keep us posted on how this process goes. Best wishes to you. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. Lradrama 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Well that sucks. Do I have to assume that your offer to have a couple of beers and punch each other in the face is also off the table? At least consider coming back for doing a bit of editing: just like Jordan, you'll eventually miss the game as much as the game misses you. In the meantime, take care. Pascal.Tesson 21:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm so very sorry to see you go. Best wishes in this & everything else. Pete.Hurd 21:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if it has to end this way, Durin. I certainly hope that you will return if this is settled. Out of all the people I have come into conflict with here on Misplaced Pages, you are the most civil and patient by far. Here's to hoping everything turns out alright! Regards, You Can't Review Me!!! 23:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Not right
This sucks. Hope you will be back soon. This "e-pol" stuff really doesn't sound right to me. I've never heard of e-pol. I tried finding out more on Google, but found nothing but their own website. There are virtually no backward links to e-pol.org. I looked at the whois information, and it doesn't seem right to me. I have doubts about e-pol, and recommend you do not give e-pol any information. Also, the fact that Danna's first contributions were so recent, on August 22. The first edit was to a wikiproject page, the next to create their userpage, and the following to create their talk page. Smells like a duck, walks like a duck... This just doesn't sound right. --Aude (talk) 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- E-pol.org calls themselves "Electronic Protection Online Programme" or Electronic - Protection Online Programme" with the hyphen. Searching Google for "Protection Online Programme" and spelling variations turns up nothing. Zero results. If this was legit, even if some aspects of what they do are secret and confidential, there would still be something about it on Google. This definitely doesn't seem right to me. --Aude (talk) 21:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Nor me, but the complainant bringing this is obviously quite energized and willing to go to unreal lengths in their aggression against me. --Durin 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Aude, good research. I tried at whois at register.com, and the website was registered in April of this year?? Go to http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx and type "e-pol.org". Weird. --Iamunknown 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Come say hello. Nick 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I did a bit of research myself. Seems connected to some sort of hoax or donation fraud. See my comments on ANI. In any case the websites of the related organizations are all as laughable as the one of e-pol.org. Supposedly, it's part of the "United Network for Universal Aid" and you should try and google that for fun... Pascal.Tesson 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- From what I can tell, E-POL's activities seem to be limited to sending you that e-mail, and having a website. Nothing else. DS 23:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- The e-pol website is really quite creepy. If you click on the log tab it gives you a message that reads "Your IP and computer ID have now been logged". Wha??!! I didn't consent to that... Seriously something creepy about that website. I can see why this would make someone want to retire. Seraphim 01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Your IP is logged on Misplaced Pages and can be checked through RFCU in case of abuse, it's no different here. Anytime you go to a site, you consend to letting them know your IP unless your using TOR, or something else. — Moe ε 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- I was aware of that your IP is recorded with every website but I wasn't aware it recorded your computer ID, *stupid moment* . I guess it's also the manner in which the message reads to be honest. When added with the claims of "We can trace you precisely" and that kind of message that they are giving out about legal action, it's creepy. Seraphim 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- What is going on with those guys of e-pol? I crossed swords with them a while ago but I thought they were at the WTC when the 9/11, can someone brief me? Meteoguy 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Sigh
This is wrong. Don't let the bastards wear you down. Ignore the bogus legal threat and continue fighting the good fight. Corvus cornix 21:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:-o No!
I can't believe this. I know my only contact with you was an MFD war but you were a fine contributer. Please come back!. See also: User:Pheonix15/Useful links/Retired Wikipedians--Pheonix15 22:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
astroview120mm userboxes
A user by the name of Durin has placed criticism on my talk page involving an oven that killed another user that I have not heard of before now. In case you are still here, I must tell you something: I did not invent User oven; I did however, use some userboxes from other user pages, which may have had hidden information that I did not see. I also do not actually remember placing "user oven" on my page. Please see my contributions or my user page history. You may be making this up. Astroview120mm 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Come back
I've seen you around the project and admired your edits. Always calm, rationale and patient! Please come back...
Seraphim 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Templating the regulars
Please do not withdraw from building the encyclopedia. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's don't let the bastards grind you down policy and impoverishes the encyclopedia. If you would like any help with anything, please use the secret channel. Thank you.----John 06:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed here. You're a good guy, if you need a break by all means take one, but I sure hope to see you around again. Regardless, I wish you the best. Seraphimblade 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. Your departure may be part of a virtuous (or vicious) circle... *sigh* -- nae'blis 23:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I miss Durin
Wish you could be enticed or convinced to return, Durin. Don't be griefed away. — pd_THOR | 06:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Durin, we'll miss you
He might have been a little bossy but he was a great wikipedian and I was little disrespectful to him. Durin if you are reading this don't listen to those legal-threating bastards. All of us miss you! Don't listen to those gay pricks! Sorry about the bad word. And I hope that by you reading this message **, you'll come back!--Angel David 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
You did the right thing
I read your farewell essay. I'm really sorry that you and those you care about have had bad experiences with litigation, but I have to agree with everyone else here that you shouldn't worry about it. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to pursue legal action against you. That being said, I think you made the right decision to leave Misplaced Pages. There was a time when I was in the bandwagon against you, angry about your crusade against images (although, thankfully, I never acted against you). After a time, I came to wonder why you were doing all the scutwork for administrators that wouldn't support you. I was glad to read that you thought about it, too.
It's nice that Misplaced Pages has lofty ideals about free content, but I believe that it's a better, more useful encyclopedia with the fair use images. The fact that nobody has yet taken legal action against Misplaced Pages for the use of these images (according to one of you old talk pages, I believe), does not prove that it will never happen. It is, however, a good indicator that it's very unlikely to happen, and I still believe that the enforcers of this unfortunate Misplaced Pages policy are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Regardless, they are clearly not serious about enforcing their policies, and I respect your decision not to put yourself through hell for them any longer. I suggest you find a project that cares as much about you as you do about it. I have faith that you'll find it and I wish you the very best of luck.
P.S. Don't sweat the legal crap. The ball's in their court and there's no sense in you worrying about something that will probably never happen and that you have little control over at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.107.37.211 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Codelyoko193
I know you might not remember me, and you most likely won't read this, but you removed fair use from my userpage. I then gave you my special award. Goodbye, and farewell. Thanks, Codelyoko193 Talk 18:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
- It seems as though he made two edits on October 5th. Hm... Thanks, Codelyoko193 Talk Contributions 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Who knew?
Hey, Durin. You most likely have no idea who I am, but after reading your reason for departure, I had to leave a note of support on your talk page. The actions by the antagonist were horribly idiotic (for lack of a better term), and taking legal action against you was unjustified. I don't see what illegal actions you did, all you did was notify the user of the law of the land (in this case, the land is Misplaced Pages), and even if in some way the images were donated to a "foundation for children," why would legal action be necessary? And anyway, if she were to take legal action, why would it be against you? What if I was the one that notified her of the images? Would I be the target of legal action? Shouldn't she be suing Misplaced Pages, if suing at all? What I'm trying to say is, why did you retire because of legal action? As far as I know (and, I've gotta admit, I'm not a lawyer, so steer me in the right direction about this whole matter if I'm wrong), you did nothing illegal. I just thought I had to leave this message because I felt that the antagonist had no right to steer you into retirement. Regards, IT'S DA...Ανέκδοτο 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- P.S., I hope no one sees me calling the aforementioned user an antagonist as a personal attack, because it's not. It's just my version of a joke.
Husnock
Durin, I'm going to tell Husnock/OberRanks to stop uploading and editing images on pain of blocking. Hopefully, he will do so. If he refuses, I will indef him myself. I don't give a darn if he keeps insisting he's not Husnock, it is painfully apparent to everyone that he is. It's probably best to just ignore his protests about that. If he wishes to edit, he can edit text only. Neil ☎ 17:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Shhh...
Aloha and welcome back... in whatever limited form it may be. Please try and not let the fairusabusers get you down. You're important to the freedom (freedomness?) of the project. Mahalo. --Ali'i 15:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi Durin. I saw your comments over at the Arbcom request page, so hopefully you are still around to see this. I just wanted to thank you again for the long ago comments you made on my talk page about how I should accept an RfA nomination. It took a while, but I eventually did go for it, and I linked to your comments in my statement there. I'm still practicing with the tools before I start using them properly, but it was really your comments (along with some others later) that made me realise that I was procrastinating too much. Hope to see you around more in the future. Carcharoth 11:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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Please explain what the 'problem' with listing the edit count of 'placeholder' is...
Also, I thought you were 'retired' but I guess not...Ryoung122 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not going to endlessly debate this. I've stated my reasons a bunch of times. You are not respecting the wishes of the people who do not want to be on this list. Hell, you even forced ME back on the list. You're not even following the instructions on the list. Back off. --Durin 18:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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Still here?
You are still in wikipedia? lol i tought u have retired.-Wandering wikipedian-130.216.30.233 01:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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Good to see you around, if only for a little bit. :-) --Iamunknown 06:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- "Frankly, I can't believe I am getting this much grief for stating a position with respect to this candidate" (diff) - unless you've been monitoring RfAs recently, you have no idea how aggressive everyone has gotten. :-( Well, I guess you do, since you are now experiencing it first hand! But still... :-\ --Iamunknown 21:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
New York Yankees logo
I've started a discussion about this at WP:MCQ#New York Yankees logo - I was going to notify you, but saw the retired tag and didn't realize you were actually still active; I didn't notice until just now that you were the one that tagged Image:Crossed_N_and_Y.jpg. —Random832 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Omma miss ya
You're one of the few admins who had the whole adminship thing right. :( Vael Victus (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you! --Durin (talk) 14:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Review of Fair Use pictures
Are you still around? If yes, could you please review the apparently non-free images in the article Ungdomshuset. I'm talking at the black and white pictures in the clearance section. I'm not sure about what policy covers these or where to go to have them reviewed. --Peter Andersen (talk) 17:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
I just came to visit my old friend, Durin, to find out that he quit Misplaced Pages! I'm sad, because although the first time I met you on Misplaced Pages, I thought you were unfriendly for removing my images, I got to know you, and you're a really nice guy. I hope you decide to join Misplaced Pages again. Cheers always. :) --Cuyler91093minhas contribuções 17:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
rollback
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