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== Czartoryski ==

Hi, in the article about ] you wrote that her son was named Francisek. Are you sure it was not Francis'''z'''ek?--] | ] 09:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
: That's a good question, and I'm not sure. I got the information from , but in searching on Franciszek, I agree that that seems like the more likely spelling. :) ] 09:11, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
::Here, I found him on Polish Wiki . His full name is Augusto Franciszek Czartoryski. That makes sense as his parents used to called him Gucio which is short for Augusto:)--] | ] 09:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

== Re:Polish naming dispute ==
Elonka, first, in the Polish monarchs naming dispute I think there was a majority supporting the moves. Although I admit that I was disapointed with how few people were interested to state their opionon - but the discussion was advertised as best as we could. I still think that the Polish first name is prefferable to English, especially as the series of Google searches I did (you can see them linked from the list discussion page) indicated that there 1) is no single English translation, but usually several 2) Polish one is usually the most dominant anyway . Why therefore should be back up one of the several translations, when we can go with original? I think logologist put it well with his comment about the 'most common mispelling'. As far as fist names are concerned, I think we should stick to first name, no exceptions (unless it's an international person like ]. Why should monarchs be different then scientists, presidents, artists, ect.? We use Polish name for everyone except kings - that's strange for me (yes, ok, I can see the rationale for using a latinized version for Saints, but not for kings). And even if some encyclopedias have non Polish names, it doesn't mean they all agree on this or that this a dominant usage, consider just examples of redirects to ], perhaps my favourite case of how you can mispell a name with English/Latinized variants.

I am not sure to what proposal you are reffering in the second part of your comment. I'd be happy to help you frame it. Plese check out another discussion related to Polish names at ], I think you may find it interesting (and again it's one where very few peope are commenting on something with a potential for much changes in our naming structure).--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 17:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

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Is it customary to respond and wait indefinately, or can a wikipedia user just stop commenting/editing completely without a large explanatory paragraph detailing each reason? ], 12, January 2005 (UTC)

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== Qur'an photo ==

I would think that once the picture is released under GFDL the photographer no longer has any say over what is done with it. Besides, she is not the subject of the photo... if she were identifiable, then it would be different... ]]] 00:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:Hi Elonka. Thanks for your comments about the Quran photo. You're right: I don't have any legal control over whether the image is used in the article or not, but I thank you for considering my opinion on the matter. ] 13:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

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] article mentions him - perhaps he is another one of your ancestors :) --] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 22:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

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Please join ]. ] 02:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I'll be honest...I'm amazed that DreamGuy isn't permently blocked considering the way he speaks to admins, look through some of his history you'll know what I mean. DreamGuy enjoys deleting things...just look at how many templates he's put up for deletion and lost due to strong support. I don't know what you can about his attacks...he seems to have a few friends in high places that strongly support him. You can try and tell them here: ] but they might ignore it. DreamGuy's behavour is set to cause stir up a frenzy so that people reading his comments will think that the article is most bad thing is the world and will vote delete. We've just got point out the facts and explain that what he's saying is wrong. Best thing we can do. ] 07:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
**I think he's quite desperate or mad in regards to some of his attacks. He once called me aladin, despite sockpuppet checks that proved I'm from Leeds. He's probably called you it by now. ] 07:57, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
***I think your best bet in regards to The Times is to try ]. ] 08:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
***] wrote <i>This can be confirmed at the Times archives or here if the search has expired . Claiming the Times did not print the story and changing the reference to fit the claim is very misleading.</i>.This should help. ] 08:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

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== aladin ==

An earlier version mentioned coverage in the ], so I contacted ] and asked them about him, but all they had was one press mention. I'll have to look it up to see if the publication is reliable and if his mention is significant enough. Still, I would vote keep merely because of the repeated nominations. If the article is wrong, someone should fix it rather than nominate it. - ]|] 11:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

== DreamGuy ==

These are the links that I was sent over MSN about the past history of DreamGuy, I understand though that they cannot be re-used to compile evidence against him apparently, which probably won't help, but there is a very general theme within all the pages here.

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== Please stop the personal attacks ==

DreamGuy, please stop the personal attacks and name-calling. I realize that we have different opinions on the deletion discussion at ], but that is no excuse for the abuse and accusations that you have been leveling. I am exactly as I present myself: a Misplaced Pages editor who saw a notice on the RfC page, and went into the situation to offer an opinion with a fresh pair of eyes. I had never heard of you, Aladin, or any of the other parties involved before I entered that discussion last week.

I've been looking into your background, and you seem to have had a reputation, at least in the past, for being able to spot scams in other parts of the wikipedia. In this case though, I think you may have gotten over-sensitive to the jerks, to the point where you are seeing liars and sockpuppets everywhere you look. It's time to re-tune your "scam meter". I'm about as honest as they come, so if you still see ''me'' as a liar and scammer, something is clouding your judgment, and you may wish to think about taking a break. I'm one of the good guys. ] 13:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

:''"please stop the personal attacks and name-calling"'' coming from someone making personal attacks on me and calling me names is really rich. But to get to the point, you are either a liar and scammer or someone tricked by one.

:The very first deletion vote on the article had a lot of people show up and see the hoaxed sources claiming that Inside Magic called him the greatest magician ever and all that and vote to keep when it turned out that it was all lies, led by a string of people proven to be sockpuppets of each other and the "Englishrose" person who is now back making yet more claims on sources. Frankly, everytime someone tries to tell me that I am paranoid about seeing sockpuppets, I have always been proven right.

:Your claims to being one of the good guys would go over a lot better if you weren't running around attacking me nonstop all over the place and making false claims that I was redirecting without consensus and so forth. We had a two to one margin to delete the article through use of a redirect, anyone who told you otherwise has deceived you. The only reason the redirect got undone was some people upset at the outcome managed to lie to enough other people that they swooped in trying to help but only screwed things up more. You need to stop giving me lectures and start listening, because I was on the article seeing evreything happening the whole time and know what's going on, as compared to yourself admitting that you don't know anything about the article up through last week. Do you typically barge into things and pick a side without knowing what was going on and then try to lecture? If so, you really need to rethink that plan, and if not, why are you doing it in this case? If you claim to be a good guy, BE a good guy, stop regurgitating whatever nonsense someone else told you about the article history, and look it up yourself.

:But I can tell you think, if you trust Englishrose or this "RBlowes" character who appeared out of nowhere recently, you are being played for a fool. I would bet you anything "RBlowes" is a sockpuppet or meatpuppet of the hoaxer who put the article up in the first place... just look at his contribution history... he joined very recently, showed up immediately to start voting on things that a new user would have no way of knowing about, and then after a handful of edits made aladin his pet project. Come on, use your alleged good guy brains here, that person is clearly a sockpuppet of someone and not a new, unbiased user. Look at the personal attacks they made against me out of nowhere. That's someone with a history on an agenda. If you really want to be doing good here, you'll look at these things and not just assume that what they tell you is right. ] 14:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

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CIR issue with editor you warned once for lack of sources

See https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Proudbharati huge number of terrible changes, done in haste. Doug Weller talk 11:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Ignore, I CIR blocked. Doug Weller talk 12:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).

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