Misplaced Pages

Latest revision as of 02:59, 20 December 2024

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Murray Rothbard article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Misplaced Pages? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help. Assume good faith Be polite and avoid personal attacks Be welcoming to newcomers Seek dispute resolution if needed Article policies Neutral point of view No original research Verifiability

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: Index, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10Auto-archiving period: 3 months

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, which has been designated as a contentious topic. Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

	Murray Rothbard has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones Date Process Result March 3, 2007 Good article nominee Listed July 17, 2009 Good article reassessment Kept November 10, 2013 Good article reassessment Kept
Current status: Good article

Mozart Was a Red was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 23 December 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Murray Rothbard. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

This  level-5 vital article is rated GA-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects.

Capitalism (inactive) This article is within the scope of WikiProject Capitalism, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.CapitalismWikipedia:WikiProject CapitalismTemplate:WikiProject CapitalismCapitalism Economics Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Economics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Economics on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EconomicsWikipedia:WikiProject EconomicsTemplate:WikiProject EconomicsEconomics Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Biography: Science and Academia This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Misplaced Pages's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography This article is supported by the science and academia work group. Philosophy: Philosophers / Social and political / Contemporary Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to philosophy on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the general discussion about philosophy content on Misplaced Pages.PhilosophyWikipedia:WikiProject PhilosophyTemplate:WikiProject PhilosophyPhilosophy Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. Associated task forces: /  Philosophers Social and political philosophy Contemporary philosophy Objectivism (inactive) This article is within the scope of WikiProject Objectivism, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.ObjectivismWikipedia:WikiProject ObjectivismTemplate:WikiProject ObjectivismObjectivism Politics: American / Libertarianism Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by American politics task force (assessed as Low-importance). This article is supported by WikiProject Libertarianism (assessed as High-importance). New York (state): Columbia University Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York (state), a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of New York on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York (state)Misplaced Pages:WikiProject New York (state)Template:WikiProject New York (state)New York (state) Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by WikiProject Columbia University (assessed as Low-importance). New York City Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. History Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the subject of History on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Historyhistory Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Praising David Duke

Rothbard on Duke: “ It is fascinating that there was nothing in Duke's current program or campaign that could not also be embraced by paleoconservatives or paleo-libertarians; lower taxes, dismantling the bureaucracy, slashing the welfare system, attacking affirmative action and racial set-asides, calling for equal rights for all Americans, including whites: what's wrong with any of that? “ I think “praising David Duke” is a fair way to describe what Rothbard was doing in that article. Prezbo (talk) 01:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Do third-party RS use the word "praising"? Llll5032 (talk) 05:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Duke is best known for racist KKK. A common meaning of "Praising David Duke" without being more specific would indicate endorsement of that which would be very misleading. Rothbard was commenting on beliefs other than that.North8000 (talk) 15:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

And a short vague statement that gives the impression that he generally praised Duke (while leaving out the all-important specifics) would need ultra strong sourcing in a biography. North8000 (talk) 18:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Here is a book published by Routledge which says that he “embraced” Duke. Prezbo (talk) 00:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

George Hawley's well reviewed 2017 book Right-Wing Critics of American Conservatism has a long summary of Rothbard and his views from pages 159-167 that includes, "While in the 1960s and 1970s Rothbard had praised black militants, in the 1990s Rothbard was defending David Duke and echoing much of his rhetoric." The book could be a good source for a number of sections in this article. Llll5032 (talk) 03:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for finding. That wording is fine with me. Prezbo (talk) 09:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I don’t think Rothbard would have had much problem with KKK era Duke either. But you can say that he praises David Duke “during his 1990s campaign for governor” if you want. I don’t see why it matters that this is a biography. It’s ok to describe dead people accurately.

This was discussed before. Whether or not Rothbard "praised" Duke in his article is a matter of opinion, not fact. The relevant article where Rothbard is said to have praised Duke is "Right-Wing Populism: A Strategy for the Paleo Movement" (The Rothbard-Rockwell Report January 1992, pp.5-13).

The article followed the 1991 Louisiana gubernatorial election, when Duke received just under 39% of the vote in the Nov. 16, 1991 run-off, getting 55% of the white vote. Basically Rothbard says what George Hawley does in Right-Wing Critics of American Conservatism, that by repackaging unpopular or esoteric views as populism, fringe politicians can become serious contenders. (pp. 53-56)

Other than that, AFAIK Rothbard never mentioned Duke.

TFD (talk) 06:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

You’re responding to an out of place reply, so I apologize for that. But 1) the current wording in the article is different anyway and 2) it’s well sourced.Prezbo (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

References

1. Hawley, George (2016). Right-wing critics of American conservatism. Lawrence. ISBN 978-0-7006-2193-4. OCLC 925410917.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)

December 2023

I reverted a series of edits that had removed secondary reliable sources and had added some WP:OR and primary-sourced WP:LONGQUOTEs. The Neutral Point of View policy (specifically WP:BESTSOURCES) and the No Original Research policy (specifically WP:PSTS) say that the encyclopedia follows the emphasis of the best available independent secondary sources instead of Misplaced Pages editors choosing from primary sources or statements of the subjects themselves. Llll5032 (talk) 16:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

issue in the opening

"Rothbard rejected mainstream economic methodologies and instead embraced the praxeology of Ludwig von Mises."

This implies that praxeology is an economic methodology. Actually, Mises conceived of praxeology as the science of human action, of which economics and history are both subsets. The sentence should read and instead "embraced the apriorism of Ludwig von Mises." Meistro1 (talk) 07:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

or better even still

"Rothbard rejected mainstream economic methodologies, rooted in empiricism, and instead embraced the apriorism of Ludwig von Mises." Meistro1 (talk) 07:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The article currently appears to lack citations to third-party reliable sources describing Rothbard's use of Mises' praxeology. If you have seen such sources, then citing them and summarizing their findings would improve the article. Llll5032 (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-history-of-economic-thought/article/abs/methodology-of-austrian-economics-as-a-sophisticated-rather-than-naive-philosophy-of-economics/C69BA46C4367DD9E92EB6684CC5E1FD1 Meistro1 (talk) 02:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I am on phone now but will attempt to do so later Meistro1 (talk) 02:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages good articles
• Social sciences and society good articles
• GA-Class level-5 vital articles
• Misplaced Pages level-5 vital articles in People
• GA-Class vital articles in People
• GA-Class Economics articles
• Low-importance Economics articles
• WikiProject Economics articles
• GA-Class biography articles
• GA-Class biography (science and academia) articles
• Unknown-importance biography (science and academia) articles
• Science and academia work group articles
• WikiProject Biography articles
• GA-Class Philosophy articles
• Mid-importance Philosophy articles
• GA-Class philosopher articles
• Mid-importance philosopher articles
• Philosophers task force articles
• GA-Class social and political philosophy articles
• Mid-importance social and political philosophy articles
• Social and political philosophy task force articles
• GA-Class Contemporary philosophy articles
• Mid-importance Contemporary philosophy articles
• Contemporary philosophy task force articles
• GA-Class politics articles
• Low-importance politics articles
• GA-Class American politics articles
• Low-importance American politics articles
• American politics task force articles
• GA-Class Libertarianism articles
• High-importance Libertarianism articles
• WikiProject Libertarianism articles
• WikiProject Politics articles
• GA-Class New York (state) articles
• Low-importance New York (state) articles
• GA-Class Columbia University articles
• Low-importance Columbia University articles
• WikiProject Columbia University articles
• GA-Class New York City articles
• Mid-importance New York City articles
• WikiProject New York City articles
• GA-Class history articles
• Mid-importance history articles
• WikiProject History articles