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| == Need your help again == | |||
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| There has been a lot of information added to ] which I'm sorry to say looks like cut/paste entries. I'm not sure how to check to see if that is the case so here I am. I removed a lot of the new edits for lack of sources, undo weight and POV type comments. Would you mind taking a peek? . You can see the new edit is the history. There are like three or four new editors adding large chunks to the article. It shouldn't be hard to see which ones. I swear though that the new stuff looks like it was taken from somewhere else verbatim or at least close to verbatim. I may be wrong with this but the way the new items are written it really looks like a cut and paste addition. I would really appreciate it if you have time to take a look at the article and if I am right, remove the sections that shouldn't be there. If I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to apologize for wasting your time. Thanks in advance, --]] 18:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| :Sure. :) I'll be happy to take a look. I'll let you know what I find. --] <sup>]</sup> 18:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Before I dig in, can you by any chance give me a date when you think it was clean? It's a whole lot easier for me to check copyvio edit by edit. If not, I'll do it the hard way. --] <sup>]</sup> 18:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Sure I will, I should have done that to begin with. An editor has worked the areas since I did but I still think there is a problem with copy/paste. You want to start looking after I think this is when the article was cleanest. I hope this is what you were asking for. :) Thanks again, --]] 21:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I agree with Crohnie. I am not sure where all these new editors are coming from, except from a class; a lot of them joined Misplaced Pages about the same time (back in April). We have had college students who are currently studying this topic add major chunks to this article before, but we tackled the stuff that was wrongly formatted, unsourced, or just plain wrong back then. This time, I am not sure what to make of it, because I cannot check all these sources (at least not now). I was going to check for copyright text as well, but I see now that you will. Thanks for that. | |||
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| ::::Crohnie, excuse me for following you. I was going to bring this matter (something about all these recent additions) up on your talk page, but decided to check where you were first (your contributions) and saw that you came here. ] (]) 01:21, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::Who knows? It may be exactly that, a class. Thanks for the starting point, Crohnie Gal. I'll see what I can find. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Yes, for example, Klindseth is from a class, as he or she stated, " After Klindseth, many more started showing up. ] (]) 19:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| {{unindent}} Making notes. <s>I will replace this with my conclusions, but</s> if you care, you can follow my progress here. :) I'm up to , and there are certainly red flags. So far, I have not found any problems, though, up to and including this edit. I've done a mechanical scan and a spot check, and I'm currently checking a few of the sources directly (such as footnote 19. See . Note, that this footnote may not support that text, but I'm not reviewing closely for this, and the contributor does not identify the specific edition, so the page number may be out of whack. However, from a copyright standpoint, there's no problem here, as I failed to find even a single match in that book for "child's development.") --] <sup>]</sup> 17:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| :Not comfortable with the closeness of the "Theorists interested in serial homicide have dedicated themselves to explaining why certain people kill serially." to the source : "Theorists interested in serial murder have dedicated themselves to explaining the social problem of the serial killer...." Doesn't rise to the level of copyvio, though, since it is quite minimal, and I have not found evidence of other duplication in that post. --] <sup>]</sup> 18:52, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Okay, Moonriddengirl. Thanks a lot. I will go ahead and take care of that one sentence. ] (]) 19:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Cool. :) I'm not done, though. This is a slow process, when checking is thorough! --] <sup>]</sup> 19:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Update: I have been pretty impressed with how well these guys have avoided infringement (class activities I've encountered in the past have been more problematic). I found one quote that was not properly marked and repaired it, let the contributor know. But I just found the first substantial problem. As it was scrupulously sourced, I suspect that ] intended no issues, but I am continuing forward with analyzing her contributions. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::Done! That one contributor evidently was unaware of our policies, but otherwise I found little to concern me. I've removed her content and explained the issue at her talk page. Good catch, guys. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 20:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I just popped in to see if you had the time to check this and you did. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. What you did was a lot of work and I appreciate your efforts to repair the article. Tomorrow I'll check what you did so I can learn some more about how to do this myself. You are great at this and again, thank you very much for taking the time to clean the article up. Flyer, thanks too for what you did to help. I haven't been online since you all started the clean up. --]] 21:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::::No problem, Crohnie. And I am also most appreciative to Moonriddengirl. She helped me last year with my own embarrassing "]" issue. So, yes, she is awesome at what she does...and most gracious with it. ] (]) 04:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::You are both very kind. :) What I do, Crohnie, is more tedious than magical. I use a couple of mechanical detectors ( is good, but doesn't exclude Misplaced Pages mirrors; is good for whole articles) and supplement by spot checks in google and google books of "striking phrases". When I know there may be a problem, I'll also spot check the sources directly, if I can. (Spot checking the sources cited can deceive you, though. I've run into quite a few copyright issues where people are copying wholesale from other sources, including their citations.) Ordinarily it doesn't take me so long to do ''one'' article, but I'm having a bit of trouble getting back into my proper time zone. I was only six hours off of my base, but I've been struggling to control jet-lag induced migraines since I got back. Makes me extra slow. :/ (Flyer, I'm glad if I could help, and nothing to be embarrassed about. :) You were also quite gracious, which I ''always'' appreciate.) --] <sup>]</sup> 13:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| {{od}}Thanks, those tools can be handy for me to keep around so I bookmarked them. :) I know it's a lot of tedious work, that's why I always hesitate to ask you for help on something like this until I'm pretty sure there is a big problem going on. This time it wasn't as big as I thought but still you did good getting rid of that which was a problem. Thanks again, and I hope the jet lag is easing now. --]] 10:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| == Another copyvio and a potential COI == | |||
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| The article ] would appear to be almost a direct copy of . I'm also fairly unsure about its notability and wonder if it might just be better off deleted. The creator of the article is {{userlinks|JamesBrownNFNPA}}, who has also edited the article ]. Specifically he's been working on the New Forest Coast section, coming only 5 minutes after an . When added, the section appears to have been a fairly unedited copy of the parent NPA page , but the current version of the article has changed it (but not a lot). These are the only articles the editor has edited and the latter section of his name (NFNPA) reads to me like New Forest National Park Authority (the runners of the website), and a James Brown appears in the news pages of the coastal section..... | |||
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| BTW, the last incident I mentioned to you has progressed to ] while you were on holiday. Welcome back! ] (]) 11:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :{{tps}} Tagged, so content hidden, editor notified of COI and copyvio issues. And I've suggested in any case that the article be a redirect to a paragraph elsewhere. ] (]) 11:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::I hadn't realised this was almost a year old, so I've emailed him. ] (]) 11:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks, Doug! We'll see if he responds within the listing period. And thanks, ]. :) A great holiday was had; the new order of business: getting back into my time-zone. :/ --] <sup>]</sup> 16:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Good luck! Any thoughts on the section in the New Forest article? ] (]) 22:59, 29 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Not yet, but thanks for the gentle poke. :) I was so focused on the serial killers article yesterday that I completely failed to follow up on it. I'll take a look after reading over the rest of my talk page. --] <sup>]</sup> 13:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I swear I haven't forgotten this! I'm trying to catch up on CP, but as usual things keep intervening and I fall behind. It's on my mental "list." --] <sup>]</sup> 01:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Well, with all the information you provided, that one turned out to be startlingly easy. I should have just taken care of it immediately! Oh, well. :/ Anyway, I've removed the text pending verification of permission. If the contributor comes back and follows up, we'll have no issues with restoring it. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 15:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Cheers MRG. When I have more time (ha!) I'll have to get you to give me a quick run through on all the procedures to make sure I've got it, and one day I might tackle a few myself and bug you a bit less. ] (]) 19:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| == CopyVio question == | |||
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| Hi Moonriddengirl, | |||
| <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">] (]) 19:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC) </bdi> | |||
| I notice you get involved in copyright questions. I've noticed a table on Misplaced Pages that is copied verbatim from this , though somewhat re-formatted. I've removed the table, but it has been restored, on the grounds that the material on the webpage itself comes from multiple sources. There's a discussion about it ], if you care to weigh in. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 00:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| :Hi. I do indeed involve myself there. :) I'll be happy to take a look and see if there's any input I may be able to offer. --] <sup>]</sup> 00:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for commenting! I've tried to clarify there further. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 05:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::You weren't unclear. I was simply too tired to dig into it. :) As I note below, I've been having some jet-lag induced migraines since getting back from my trip, and I wear out quickly (stupid migraines :P). That said, today is looking good, but I'm off and running now for other reasons. I'll come by and take a look a bit later. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| Got two more trips assigned to me, this week and next. I won't be around, sorry. :( ] ''<sup>'''(''']''')'''</sup>'' 07:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :I'll miss you. :) I hope that your trips go okay and currently you get my deep sympathy just for having to leave home. When I get back from traveling, I have a tendency to never, ever want to leave again. :/ (Today is - knock wood - my first day migraine free since getting back!) I hope you remain in the same time zone. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:26, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| A new account just my reversion on CP Gurnani from your original version to the one that was copied from the home website. The account's edit summary said that they are in the process of changing the website's home page, so that the information in the article will no longer be a copy. Does this actually change the copyrighted status of the article if they change where it was copied from? Wouldn't it be easier for them to just fill out a ticket to allow the material on Misplaced Pages? <font color="silver">]</font><font color="blue">]</font><sup>]</sup> 20:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :No, afraid it won't help them. They must explicitly release the content for us to use it. I've explained that at the editor's talk page and reverted to the last version. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| As a less serious question, have admins always been reluctant to get involved in copyright issues, or did others just retire and leave you holding the slack? ] (]) 00:48, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| :Ack, I'm sorry VW, that one completely slipped off my mind :( I'd just say that I endorse your approach, but little good does it do. ] ''<sup>'''(''']''')'''</sup>'' 07:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| ::All that said, I'll go reluctantly and peek at the drama of which you speak and see what I can do to help out. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::Whew. A minor drama. :) It seems like we have a new, good faith contributor who just needs a few points clarified (probably in the relative authority of non-admins, in addition to our use of non-free text, but I'm focusing on the paraphrasing issue first). According to my reading on this while we were working on ], a number of people trust in our non-profit status to excuse ] in producing their works. But while this ''may'' protect us, this won't necessarily protect our downstream re-users, particularly in areas that are not as generous with fair use at the U.S. (somewhere, somebody laughs at my description of the U.S. allowances as "generous"). --] <sup>]</sup> 14:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thank you for stepping in, it's always appreciated. ] (]) 14:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::::No problem. At first I thought ] was more problematic than it is, but the close paraphrasing is limited to a couple of sentences. I've removed one and revised some of the other content (also, it did not reflect the source). --] <sup>]</sup> 17:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| I feel as though I am being bullied out of Misplaced Pages when all I do for the most part is qualitatively improve articles by adding citations. I have a group of malign editors that have formed a cohort against me. They have searched really hard to find a few matters of dispute out of my 20,000 or more edits that I have made to this Project. I would appreciate some of your time. <br ><font color="Cyan">]</font><sup> (] • ])</sup> 10:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Beyond that, at this point I'm going to second what ] said in answer to this same question at ]. I'm not sure if things are unsalvageable here, because I do not know the ''extensive'' background. I'm afraid, though, that you don't help your case with responses : | |||
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| ::At this point, I expect your only recourse if you wish to continue on the project is to change your tactics. You certainly need to reconsider your methods of communication in this dispute. You need to communicate ''plainly'' to others at that ANI thread and in that RFC, demonstrating that you can understand and respect their concerns and, where necessary, modify your approach. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| Well, I feel it is important to open up the discussion with people who are impartial. I have 20 people for the most part who keep on banding together against me, that isn't consensus that is partisan.<font color="Cyan">]</font><sup> (] • ])</sup> 12:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| Just stopping by to say "hi". I know you're busy but I just wanted to let you know I am still grateful for all your kindness and help. The process isn't over yet so I'll wait and see if anything else pops up as you advised me it would take at least several months. Yours, ] (]) 22:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| == Deletion == | |||
| Hello, | |||
| You took down an article I put up citing the biographies of living persons rule. | |||
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| == US Arab Chamber of Commerce == | |||
| Hi. | |||
| Could you have a look at ]. Is there an OTRS ticket pending for this one? It seems related to ]. Regards. -- ] (]) 11:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Wow! They're not permitting reuse of the under GFDL? (sigh) I'll have to go look and see if they've mailed something. The permission letter doesn't clear . --] <sup>]</sup> 12:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ah, what a short memory I have. :/ I cleared that one in a separate ticket, ], but could not restore it because it had been deleted under ]. I noted it in the deletion log, for which I am grateful to myself. :D So, yes, that website is cleared. I need to check into the US Patent duplication and drop the OTRS notice at the talk page. Forming no opinion on the relative merits of the article otherwise, since I usually don't mix my copyright hat with other work (unless blatant). --] <sup>]</sup> 12:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::Ok, thanks. The article has severe COI/POV problems which is not a surprise as the article is a replication of their website. -- ] (]) 13:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I tended to think so. I suggested that the creator keep an eye on it for notes about necessary alterations. Needless to say, the OTRS clearance doesn't give the other stuff a pass. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 13:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Well, since the material is CC-BY-SA 3.0, I have free reign to make the necessary alterations myself! :) -- ] (]) 13:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Bothering you yet again == | |||
| I'd like your opinion on a copyright matter. I happened on the article ] and found that the text of the "Geology" and "Genesis" sections in it are verbatim matches for sections of (pages 5–7). However, the report is dated 3 October 2007, and our article was created on 15 August 2007, with the content in question present, which would seem to preclude any copyright violation on our part. Nevertheless, I find it difficult to believe that the geologist would have lifted major parts of the report from WP without acknowledgment. The editor who created the article has also created and expanded a number of other geology-related articles—never, as far as I can see, including any sources at all for his information. He claims, on his user page and in talk-page comments, to be an Australian geologist, so I suppose it's possible that he wrote both the WP article and the professional report; but his user name gives no clue to any connection. I'd bring the matter up on his talk page, but he hasn't been active since April 2009, except for two isolated edits last June and July. Perhaps I'm being oversuspicious; what would you do in such a case? ] (]) 20:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Despair. :/ Following which I would try to locate a source that may predate both. Failing that, I would desperately hope to find some evidence of natural evolution on Misplaced Pages which would suggest that it did originate here. Failing that, I would blank for a week and try contacting the contributor or article author. In fact, I think I'll go do those very things. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 20:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hmmm. The most major change here is the alteration of the spelling of sulphides to sulfides. The pdf follows the latter form (sulfides). This would suggest (but not conclusively) that they are ''not'' the same authors, and it would also suggest (but, again, not conclusively) that we came first. Sulphides is the UK spelling, evidently; I get a billion (read: 1,190,000) google hits for and less than half that (515,000) for . Our contributor, then, is slightly more regional specific. Given the dating, this is enough to make me feel like perhaps we ''shouldn't'' blank, but should just drop a friendly note to both authors, who are kind enough to be accessible, and see what comes of it. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:33, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::E-mailed. We'll see what comes of it. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 21:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thanks for taking the time. Please let me know what, if any, responses you get (either here or on my talk page will be fine). I'm rather curious about the matter. ] (]) 23:36, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Will do. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 23:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Fair-use question == | |||
| Hi Moonriddengirl, we've talked in the past and unfortunatelly I took the impression that you're an expert in copyright issues, so that here I am again :-) | |||
| My question is related to this article: ]. This Bosniak girl was the person that won the beauty contest in the besieged Sarajevo in 1993, and was the inspiration of U2's ''Miss Sarajevo''. It can be argued that obtaining a free picture of her is somehow feasible. Do you think that such an argumentation would override a fair-use rationale for this image: ? | |||
| Best regards and many thanks in advance --] (]) 21:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi. :) You are welcome, but I'm afraid that I'm not as good with images as I am with text. That said, I'm afraid probably not. ] lists under images that are "unacceptable": "Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images." What's confusing to me here is that it goes on to add (in italics, omitted): "However, for some retired or disbanded groups, or retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable." Now, if you ask me, a beauty queen's notability rests a lot more in her earlier visual appearance than most actors and rock stars. Arguably, somebody might produce a free image of her from that era. Arguably, somebody might produce a non-free image of ], too. Because I find the rules on them inconsistent and have failed to get clarification on them, I tend to stay away from images of living people. If I wanted to place an image of her in the article, I'd probably get feedback at ]. (Note that with the specific picture you've chosen, there are additional issues/questions. Who took it and when? Who are those other people? You'd probably need to know the answers to these at least, and you might have to crop it to only the subject even if others agreed it could be used under NFC.) --] <sup>]</sup> 21:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :: Thanks, you're much more good at copyright issues that what you admit :-) Your answer has been very clarifying. | |||
| :: I'll post a question in ], but possibly after finding a picture which addresses the concerns you've listed. Best regards and thank you again --] (]) 22:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC) PD: I've found the original source . I'll try a crop of Inela and ask for advice in Media copyright questions | |||
| :::{{tps}} I can't see any reason why this image, and especially a cropped version, would be an acceptable fair-use image because its use is to identify the subject of the photo in an article about that person. The full image might be useable if, and only if, there was critical commentary about the image itself, not the content or subject of the photo and it would need to be sourced with ]s. Remember the article is about ] and any image showing her should be ] because she is still alive. Sorry not to be more helpful. This would basically be the same reply I would give you on the ] page. ] (]) 23:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thanks! Your feedback is much appreciated. :) Like I said, I find it confusing. I don't know why a non-free picture of Led Zeppelin is okay but a non-free picture of a beauty queen is not. I just keep well away. :/ --] <sup>]</sup> 23:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi, please check -] (]) 16:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Replied there. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks, pls recheck. -] (]) 17:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Babelfish translations and copyright? == | |||
| I'd like to do a BFish translation of an article on the Polish WP to (possibly) resolve a current article naming dispute. The translated article would of course need some work, so it'd go in my userspace first, but it would essentially be based on BF. The question's surely been addressed before, but could you point me to any relevant WP links? No hurry. Sincerely, ] (]) 21:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't know if there are any, really, but it's an interesting question. First, you're in the clear. Babelfish cannot impose new copyright over a translation of a Polish WP article, because Polish WP is, like we are, licensed under CC-By-SA and GFDL, and while modifications are permitted the license requires that the derivative remains free. You should include babelfish in the attribution to be on the safe side. :) But I don't really know if the manufacturer of a machine translator could impose new copyright over content that was translated without human creativity. Hmm. I'll see if I can find any conversations about it on Misplaced Pages anywhere. --] <sup>]</sup> 23:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Can you help? == | |||
| I have recently manually tagged an article for possible copyright concerns. The tag is being repeatedly removed with potentially disparaging remarks left behind. Can you look at this article and help me determine if it is appropriate to tag the article as I have. The article is ] and I posted the web address being plagiarized. The P versus NP section and the The Hodge conjecture section are both also copied from this site and I suspect perhaps more. Thank you in advance for any attention you give this matter. ] (]) 22:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you for bringing this to my attention. You're quite right that it's a copyright problem, and I have restored the template you placed on it, protecting the article to prevent its being removed prematurely. --] <sup>]</sup> 23:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you for the action you demonstrated per this request. To add information, I would like to say it is my future intention to contribute to this article, because it seems encyclopedic. I was going to contribute when I noticed areas were plagiarized. I read and understand that in some cases it might be determined better to start the article from scratch. Whatever the decision is I intend to offer contributions to the article that emerges as editable. And really didn't want to expend much effort on an article which somehow became a candidate for deletion. That is essentially why I tagged the Article. Every action I endeavored was from my best interpretation of what was best for Misplaced Pages, and no other factor really. I was surprised when some seemed to ridicule my efforts, and honestly started to question my own actions. Even though they seemed intuitive. Nevertheless, thanks for assisting in this regard. ] (]) 04:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == National Foundation for Credit Counseling == | |||
| Moonriddengirl, it would be most helpful if you can give me an idea of what portion(s) of the National Foundation for Credit Counseling page that you find violate the copyright. I am most surprised by your conclusion, since I have authored and edits dozens of Wiki pages over a few years, and yours is the first such notice. I really could care less if the NFCC page is updated, deleted or whatever -- it does however provide valuable and professional support to needy people -- but it would be helpful to learn what evidence if any you have to back up your copyright violation claim. Thank you. Mykjoseph] (]) 00:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi. As I said at your talk page, I am not the editor who tagged the article, though I have confirmed some duplication through the use of a mechanical detector that scans articles for duplicated content. | |||
| :For an example of precisely duplicated content, the article says: | |||
| {{quotation|Each year, NFCC members assist 4 million consumers, helping many to reduce their debt and better control their finances. }} | |||
| == Long time no see! == | |||
| : says: | |||
| {{quotation|Each year, NFCC Members assist 4 million consumers, helping many to drive down their debt and take control of their finances. }} | |||
| Hi. A former helper of copyright clean-up here who last interacted with you ! I know you haven't been as active as you used to be, but thought I'd let you know that we have ] that's keen to help out in CCI. If ever you'd like to take an interest in Copyright cleanup again, I'm sure she'd be happy to collaborate with you. If not, that's OK, just saying hello to you. ] <sup>(])</sup> <sub>(])</sub> 09:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Further, there is close paraphrasing and duplication of the same source in the lead. The article says: | |||
| {{quotation|The National Foundation for Credit Counseling (NFCC) is a nonprofit organization that promotes the national agenda for financially responsible behavior and builds capacity for its Members to deliver the highest quality financial education and counseling services. Established in 1951, the NFCC is the nation's largest and longest serving national nonprofit credit counseling network, with more than 100 Member agencies and nearly 850 offices in communities throughout the country.}} | |||
| == Merry Christmas == | |||
| :The source says: | |||
| {{quotation|Founded in 1951, the National Foundation for Credit Counseling (NFCC), Inc., '''promotes the national agenda for financially responsible behavior and builds capacity for its Members to deliver the highest quality financial education and counseling services. The NFCC is the nations largest and longest serving national nonprofit credit counseling network, with more than 100 Member agencies and nearly 850 offices in communities throughout the country.'''}} | |||
| ] | |||
| :In case it will help you to see the problematic text, I have bolded the content that is duplicated. | |||
| '''Merry Christmas from London ...''' | |||
| :Because you had not been given the requisite notice, I have not fully evaluated the article, but, as I said, have relisted it. The other material may be fine. I'm afraid that you cannot incorporate non-free text into Misplaced Pages without clearly marking it in accordance with ]. In addition, its usage must be transformative, as set out in the guideline portion of that document. --] <sup>]</sup> 00:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| '''and may the New Year be a safe one, filled with peace and plenty.''' | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Best wishes, ] (]) 10:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas from London ...
and may the New Year be a safe one, filled with peace and plenty.
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