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== Re ] == == Stola ==


{{tq|So afaics, Gitz created the repetition of Stola himself, then used that repetition as fresh grounds for removal}}. It was you the one who created the repetition, here , and my 13 March edits were consecutive edits with no intermediate revert. I suggest you self-revert your submission at ArbCom, because you are presenting a trivial mistake of yours as if it were my manoeuvre against Stola, while I was just doing trivial copy editing there. Honestly I didn't give a f* about Stola! ] (]) (]) 17:50, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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I support it in spirit but I don't think I will be active enough for a while to be a party to it. Good luck with it and the article, --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 20:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


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::Thanks for the note and frankly I could use a Wikibreak myself. If you could just do what ever it takes to help get moderators involved, I will be very grateful and won't ask for more input than that. -] (]) 20:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


:Hello ]. I disclosed to ], after Girth Summit got involved in a dispute at ] and then went about and CUed my account. -] (]) 07:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
:I don't have any recollection of this disclosure. That could just be my memory failing, so I've checked a few obvious places. When I search my emails for 'Chumchum7', I get a couple of hits from when they've pinged me in discussions, but I don't find any actual e-mails from them; I can't find that Chumchum7 has ever edited my user page; I've looked through the history of this talk page, and I do see a discussion between myself and Chumchum7, but that was about copyright issues, I don't see any disclosure there; I also see no disclosure at ]. The CU log does not record any checks by me on Chumchum7's account. If this IP editor is Chumchum7, perhaps they would be willing to log into their account and jog my memory about how they disclosed. ]] 08:09, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
::@],]: First of all, User 5.173.73.63 is not me and they ought to explain to all of us what they are talking about. -] (]) 18:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
:::Fair enough. I have blocked the IP. Can you please answer my question Chumchum? ] (]) 18:58, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::@], I disclosed my two accounts by email to ]. Both accounts purposefully have the same email address, which I pointed out to Primefac at the time, in order to show admins that they are from the same editor. I'm happy to do the same for you now, it it helps. -] (]) 19:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
::::::That would be appreciated as Primefac hasn't been able to locate the emails. ] (]) 09:50, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Strike that. We found the disclosure. Thanks. ] (]) 09:57, 19 April 2023 (UTC)


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So pardon me for answering you here as I have not disclosed my email to people that I know better. (Although the little that I know about you is positive.) I did not mean she was sanctioned in *this* case if that is the reason for the question. If you go to the evidence section about her, there is a discussion of a previous case, ] I think. The sanction was for bypassing the talk page and going straight to Arbcom with a source concern. I previously was blindsided by being accused of whitewashing Nazis in simultaneous wikidramas. See Azov Regiment at RSN and subsequent events. This is Ukraine not Poland. We can discuss this further if you like but I am at the tail end of a very long day. I am glad you thought I was eloquent but I stayed up all night to write it since I knew I wouldn't be available today until after the phase closed ;) must sleep now. I will check in with you later tonight probably. Pacific time zone.
== London Victory Parade ==
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Thanks for the fix on the link. It's a pity that you didn't have time (or perhaps didn't have energy) to contribute on the discussion page about the proposed new section. Do you think that the new section ticks the right boxes when it comes to NPOV and RS? ] (]) 14:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC) :I've looked, maybe I am blind but I still can't see the sanction. Can you point it out somehow? -] (]) 04:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
::This case is closed or I would link it there, but sure, I can post a link here in a while; awake now. It was a boomerang on a case against VM, but he has a lot of cases with his name on them. Btw, I have said several things about VM and I am not sure which you are agreeing with, but that's ok too. ] (]) 13:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
:::If to be precise it was just a final warning at AE rather than an actual sanction, then I think I have found it myself and no further help is needed, thank you. -] (]) 16:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
::Sorry, I went back to sleep. Now that I am less sleep-deprived, I was talking about , if that is what you found. A warning is a sanction isn't it? A matter of record, and appealable afaik. If I used the wrong word, welp, sorry about the confusion, and I hope BK doesn't hold it against me. Hope that helps.


::My intention in the post was to answer the people saying that she was warned for reporting a sourcing violation. No, she was warned for not deigning to freaking *talk* to people, which was exactly the problem *I* had with her. That maddening episode, to give you a taste of its dumb-ness, started when I said that before we called Azov a Nazi brigade in wikivoice, our sources sould be better than a police blotter item about a man getting arrested in Belarus for wearing a The Punisher t-shirt , because the policeman thought it was the emblem of the Azov brigade. This was, believe it or not, much debated, and also featured GCB (and Mhorg) as well, in a starring role. ] (]) 17:39, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
::It is all about time, which I have very little of at the mo. I think you are going to have trouble from other editors with this section; because with respect, it reads like you are pushing your ] and there is also a whiff of original research about it. See ]. At least twice you have made Talk Page generalizations about Poles and their attitude to history - you need to be very careful about that, because it gives the impression that you have a prejudiced view about Poles yourself. I'm not going to debate this further, due to my time constraints. But good luck. -] (]) 14:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


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:::Thanks for the comments. I'll leave the article for a few days and then come back to it to rewrite it to remove words which might suggest PoV pushing (although it is hard to have a PoV when it comes to black/white facts). As for OR, if reading the memoirs of General Anders is OR, I'm guilty! ] (]) 14:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


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::::Ok. Before you start re-writing, and if you haven't done so already, take a look at this great essay: ]. It address your point that "it is hard to have a PoV when it comes to black/white facts". The essay will also save you hours if not days of debating with whoever now piles in to the article. Thanks, -] (]) 14:55, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


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What a coincidence that of the two admins which you approached with regard to this issue, one just happens to be the only admin who has ever blocked me and the other is the only admin who has ever warned me about anything. What are the chances of that happening? ] (]) 15:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Cheers for the link. I have read it but not for a while, will have another look over it tonight. ] (]) 15:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


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::::Sorry, no, I'm just about to take a ]. In the meantime, perhaps take this up with some other editors. By the way, I'll tell you honestly your edits start to concern me and you might want to think about your behavioural profile a little, and how it could come across to other editors and Misplaced Pages moderators. You appear to have something to prove about Poles or the Polish character, which is fine in the real world, but very far away from the ethos of Misplaced Pages. What is it all about? You tried to interpret the Stephen Fry Auschwitz gaff as an accurate statement rather than an offensive mistake, you tried to re-open the 1st Armoured war crimes issue after it had been closed, you made a sweeping generalization about Poles' view of Chopin, you tried to disprove Kazimierz Świątek's Polish roots, you appear to have utilized a citation that downplayed the 303 Polish Squadron without having read that citation, and now this very insistent effort to disavow Polish grievances about the Victory Parade - to the point of pushing the original idea that the Poles weren't there because some had been forced conscripts in the Wermacht. Those are just the things I've noticed. You'll appreciate this could come across as a pattern of editing behaviour that seems to have very serious ] issues. As I say, you are personally entitled to these views; but often, I get the impression you haven't thoroughly read Misplaced Pages guidelines and you are allowing your views to interfere with your great potential as a Misplaced Pages editor. You have the energy, and I'm sure you can achieve the neutrality. I may ask a veteran moderator or administrator to take a look at this message, and he or she may become the editor to work with on the Victory Parade article. -] (]) 21:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Do you think that you could perhaps take more care to not accuse me of being a racist? That is precisely what your comments about me being anti-Polish are. I could reply by pointing out that you also appear to have something to prove about Poles and that is why you change the first sentence of the relevant section of the London Victory Parade article to make a false statement about Poles being excluded and then use to support that statement a source which in reality says the exact opposite (i.e. that Poles were invited). I could also go into all the other accusations you level at me. However, I'm going to WP:AGF and not accuse you of having a NPOV problem that causes you to POV push the Polish POV. Perhaps you could extend me the same courtesy? ] (]) 14:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
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I am not seeing any significant changes since I wrote the article. Btw, is there any reason you have not ]? I may be able to send you some pdf materials if you have it active and want to expand that article. --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 16:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks. This is the first time I've even heard of wiki email - that's my reason for not having activating it, which I shall do now. -] (]) 16:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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== Fast train to Warsaw ==

For some reason I thought that you were based in the UK. Drop me an email next time you're in Warsaw, let's see if we can't agree the parade article over a beer (my shout). ] (]) 16:15, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


== Language issue in crash==
See "Air traffic control advice ignored by pilot" section. The language could not have been much of an issue. Polish government planes have been flying to Russia for years, including to Smolensk, and no complaints about communication difficulties between pilots and ground have been heard. Same crew flew the Tu-154 to Smolensk with Tusk on April 7 and there was no problem with communication then (though the weather was better, admittedly). Anyway, if the official investigation reveals this to be a problem, then we can say more about it, until then we don't need a separate section for this issue.] (]) 20:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

==About your recent edit at ]==

, specifically.

1. No, it's patently untrue that "'Citation needed' tags could be added to much of this article". After the lead, which does not need citations, pretty much every sentence is sourced.

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3. Would it be too much to ask for page numbers, , listing the new works in the bibliography, etc? There's a certain consistency of quality to that article, and it would be nice if users adding new material maintained that quality, instead of adding new stuff in whatever format they felt like. - ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 15:41, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you for contributing to the progress of the ]. I have been hoping to get more, at least medium-term, input there from an objective veteran editor or administrator such as yourself. Particularly over the last 6 weeks. Any chance you could spare some time ? -] (]) 20:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:I don't, as a rule, involve myself in others' disputes; it tends to work out badly. ] (]) 20:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::Fair enough. I'm looking for outside, '''objective''' and experienced input. Let me know if you have any ideas about how to get this, medium term. 3O and RFC don't seem to help. -] (]) 21:08, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

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Info here ] (]) 17:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

{{Talkback|JamesBWatson|LVP 1946}} ] (]) 11:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Nick Clegg ==

Alas his family seems to be pure Russian. (Zakrevskye) just in 1686.
His ancestor Закревский, Игнатий Платонович (Ignaty Platonovich Zakrevsky) was Russian attorney general of 1th Department of Governing Senate.
Polish Zakrzewscy was family from ] and is no evidence that these two familes are linked in some way. ] (]) 14:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

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Stola

So afaics, Gitz created the repetition of Stola himself, then used that repetition as fresh grounds for removal. It was you the one who created the repetition, here , and my 13 March edits were consecutive edits with no intermediate revert. I suggest you self-revert your submission at ArbCom, because you are presenting a trivial mistake of yours as if it were my manoeuvre against Stola, while I was just doing trivial copy editing there. Honestly I didn't give a f* about Stola! Gitz (talk) (contribs) 17:50, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Chumchum. On your userpage you note that you are a validalt and that you had disclosed to a checkuser. Some Arbs would like to confirm with that checkuser that this validalt complies with policies and guidelines for such accounts. Can you please let me know either here or by email to ArbCom who that checkuser is so that we can confirm this with them. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:09, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello User:Barkeep49. I disclosed to User:Girth Summit, after Girth Summit got involved in a dispute at Talk:LGBT-free zone and then went about and CUed my account. -5.173.73.63 (talk) 07:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
I don't have any recollection of this disclosure. That could just be my memory failing, so I've checked a few obvious places. When I search my emails for 'Chumchum7', I get a couple of hits from when they've pinged me in discussions, but I don't find any actual e-mails from them; I can't find that Chumchum7 has ever edited my user page; I've looked through the history of this talk page, and I do see a discussion between myself and Chumchum7, but that was about copyright issues, I don't see any disclosure there; I also see no disclosure at Talk:LGBT-free_zone. The CU log does not record any checks by me on Chumchum7's account. If this IP editor is Chumchum7, perhaps they would be willing to log into their account and jog my memory about how they disclosed. Girth Summit (blether) 08:09, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
@User:Barkeep49,User:Girth Summit: First of all, User 5.173.73.63 is not me and they ought to explain to all of us what they are talking about. -Chumchum7 (talk) 18:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Fair enough. I have blocked the IP. Can you please answer my question Chumchum? Barkeep49 (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
@User:Barkeep49, I disclosed my two accounts by email to User:Primefac. Both accounts purposefully have the same email address, which I pointed out to Primefac at the time, in order to show admins that they are from the same editor. I'm happy to do the same for you now, it it helps. -Chumchum7 (talk) 19:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
That would be appreciated as Primefac hasn't been able to locate the emails. Barkeep49 (talk) 09:50, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Strike that. We found the disclosure. Thanks. Barkeep49 (talk) 09:57, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty paranoid about personal details

So pardon me for answering you here as I have not disclosed my email to people that I know better. (Although the little that I know about you is positive.) I did not mean she was sanctioned in *this* case if that is the reason for the question. If you go to the evidence section about her, there is a discussion of a previous case, Holocaust in Poland I think. The sanction was for bypassing the talk page and going straight to Arbcom with a source concern. I previously was blindsided by being accused of whitewashing Nazis in simultaneous wikidramas. See Azov Regiment at RSN and subsequent events. This is Ukraine not Poland. We can discuss this further if you like but I am at the tail end of a very long day. I am glad you thought I was eloquent but I stayed up all night to write it since I knew I wouldn't be available today until after the phase closed ;) must sleep now. I will check in with you later tonight probably. Pacific time zone. Elinruby (talk) Elinruby (talk) 01:22, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

I've looked, maybe I am blind but I still can't see the sanction. Can you point it out somehow? -Chumchum7 (talk) 04:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
This case is closed or I would link it there, but sure, I can post a link here in a while; awake now. It was a boomerang on a case against VM, but he has a lot of cases with his name on them. Btw, I have said several things about VM and I am not sure which you are agreeing with, but that's ok too. Elinruby (talk) 13:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
If to be precise it was just a final warning at AE rather than an actual sanction, then I think I have found it myself and no further help is needed, thank you. -Chumchum7 (talk) 16:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, I went back to sleep. Now that I am less sleep-deprived, I was talking about this, if that is what you found. A warning is a sanction isn't it? A matter of record, and appealable afaik. If I used the wrong word, welp, sorry about the confusion, and I hope BK doesn't hold it against me. Hope that helps.
My intention in the post was to answer the people saying that she was warned for reporting a sourcing violation. No, she was warned for not deigning to freaking *talk* to people, which was exactly the problem *I* had with her. That maddening episode, to give you a taste of its dumb-ness, started when I said that before we called Azov a Nazi brigade in wikivoice, our sources sould be better than a police blotter item about a man getting arrested in Belarus for wearing a The Punisher t-shirt , because the policeman thought it was the emblem of the Azov brigade. This was, believe it or not, much debated, and also featured GCB (and Mhorg) as well, in a starring role. Elinruby (talk) 17:39, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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