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==Endless sockpuppeting==
Ciao! I have identified another sockpuppet of ], precisely ]. Can you eliminate it as it's continuing the stupid revertions in ]. Thanks and good work. --] (]) 20:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
:Attilios seems under attack now from several IPs. Can you address this? ] (]) 13:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


== BENN JORDAN ==


This person is not notable, and certainly doesn't need 14 seperate wiki articles on each of his works, none of which are notable or sourced, nor is he. He appears to be a hack bedroom producer that simply uploads his content to illegal file sharing sites. I've nomined him for speedy deletion. Please also assist removing the other 12+ pages he has made himself, apparently.
==WP:NSONGS==
Well I didn't think that it would be "that" big of a deal to have the article up six hours prior to the charts being released. I also feared that soon as it would chart, the article would be bombarded with fancruft. ] (]) 14:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


== Rangeblock advice == == Nelly Furtado ==


Nelly Furtado has a portuguese passport, she said it in an interview to The Independent in 6 March 2004 (she was interview by Aoife O'Riordain), but The Independent has erased that interview probably because it was done more than 10 years ago (the interview was located here: http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news_and_advice/story.jsp?story=498282). What you call a fansite is a forum where the interview was "copy pasted". I don't know why you guys are trying so hard to hide the fact that Nelly has portuguese citizenship, but that's a fact. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Hi there! Could you have a look the thread on my talk page (]) about the possibility of some sort of range block. They're a bit of a closed book to me i'm afraid, and I know you've got a handle on them. Thanks. ]] 12:19, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


But I found that source! The Independent (UK) 6 March 2004, Nelly Furtado interview by Aoife O'Riordain. Title of the interview: «My Life in Travel: Nelly Furtado.» ] (]) 15:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request ==


There was an interview in a portuguese magazine in 11 November 2006 (Revista Única), where the journalist ask: "Do you feel more canadian or portuguese?" And Nelly say: "I have a Canadian and a Portuguese passport, but I feel more Portuguese because of my roots." Check http://nellyfurtado-ninhas.blogspot.pt/2008/02/revista-nica-portugal-2006.html and you will find a photo from the pages and the title "I feel more portuguese". That sentence is mencioned all over the net (google "Nelly furtado" and "passaporte português"). Misplaced Pages should be a place for facts, but that's not the case. Shame on you.] (]) 16:09, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
I thought I had better check with you about .<small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 12:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


Well, it seems I found AGAIN that Nelly Furtado is Portuguese. In the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCqT2PIsDzo (@01:55 - an interview to a brazilian program), Nelly say: "Sou canadiana, mas portuguesa também. A minha alma e o meu coração são portugueses". Let me translate it for you: "I'm canadian, but also portuguese. My heart and my soul are portuguese." That's a primary source, don't you think? Will you change the article to Portuguese-Canadian or do you want me to do it? ] (]) 19:18, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
:Especially as the user is re-factoring a previous request that came from {{user|Bepanthenplus}} who is blocked as a Brexx sock.<small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 13:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
:I will need to evaluate the YouTube video later, ]: I cannot access YouTube from work.&mdash;](]) 19:35, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
::No problem. Take a look at this video too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYGKj3WPhQk. It's an interview to a mexican program. Nelly say @02:30: «Yo me siento hispanica y latina también, porqué yo soy portuguesa». In english: «I feel hispanic and latin also, because I am portuguese». I will continue to look for more videos, but I think we have the evidence we need in these two (Nelly say she is portuguese in 2 different languages). ] (]) 19:43, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB38fLBZc8I (portuguese program). @02:38 Nelly say: «Descobri a música mais moderna de Portugal. Música que vinha de Lisboa: Pedro Abrunhosa, Santos e Pecadores, Madredeus... Coisas que me faziam sentir orgulhosa de ser portuguesa. Fiquei ainda mais orgulhosa de ser portuguesa.» In english: «I discovered the portuguese modern music. Music from Lisbon: Pedro Abrunhosa, Santos e Pecadores, Madredeus... Things that made me feel proud of being Portuguese. I felt even more proud of being portuguese». ] (]) 19:52, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
::::You don't need to see the other videos. See this one in english: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ezIHQ0pkTE. @01:25, Nelly is asked: «You are not spanish, right?». And then, the answer: «No. I'm actually PORTUGUESE-CANADIAN....» Not a fansite, not a blog: the truth from her own mouth. ] (]) 20:40, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::I'll have to see a video that isn't a copyright violation, ]. None of those are authorised copies.&mdash;](]) 22:18, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::I don't know if I can find one video that isn't a copyright violation. But I will try. At least, now you know the facts: she is portuguese and she said it dozens of times in newspappers, magazines and TV shows. It's really sad to see «is a Canadian singer» in the Wiki page after hearing Nelly say repeatedly she's portuguese-canadian... ] (]) 22:42, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


== Arb case request ==
::...and, as I typed that, I then noticed you'd blocked it. OK. Sorry I missed it when I did the earlier request on ] - but that request did check out with the actual billboard source, so...well, anyway - sorry if I did anything wrong.<small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 13:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at ] and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted in most arbitration pages please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the ] and the ] may be of use.
== Re: Familiar looking? ==


Thanks, ]&nbsp;]] 16:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<!-- Template:Arbcom notice -->
Yeah, there's something unsettling about {{userlinks|McYel}}, but it's not jumping out at me. I don't think Bambifan was into the images so much. There's another editor who was, but I can't place the username. The edit summaries on the talk page comments where he adds the images, plus the quotes, are somewhere between cute snarkiness and dissent. I've got his talk page on my watch list, that's for sure. —''']''' (]) 17:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


== ] ==
== LOL...I am NOT the "Disney Anon" :)) ==


You were one of editors of the article. I invite you to an RFC discussion. --] (]) 19:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
''Bambifan?'' ]/]/]/Junglebook2hater/65.0.181.192(''READ THIS...'') '''is NOT''' ]/72.178.5.68/'''me!'''
--] (]) 20:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


== Kww and The Rambling Man Arbitration Case Opening ==
== More Sndpsingh23 sockpuppets ==
You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at ]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at ]. '''Please add your evidence by July 13, 2015, which is when the evidence phase closes.''' You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, ]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see ]. For the Arbitration Committee, ] <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;">] ]</sup> 18:16, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
:However the case ends, do know that you've definitely had a positive impact on Misplaced Pages overall. ] (] / ]) 06:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


== List of best-selling music artists ==
Hi Kevin,


*{{la|List of best-selling music artists}}
I saw that you handled ], and I have some more information in that case, originally discovered over at Commons. There are several more socks involved in this case, as shown by these links:
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Please can you unprotect that page. You protected it about 3 months ago; there's no indications that it still needs protection now. Thanks. ] (]) 20:51, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
The accounts listed in the last link also exist here on English Misplaced Pages:
:Actually, that page has been protected for years, and can't seem to survive unprotected. What you see in the log is me moving it back to semi-protected after a brief period of full protection. So, sorry, won't be doing that any time soon.&mdash;](]) 21:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
* {{vandal|Shrikrishna 3}}
* {{vandal|Sndpsingh}}
* {{vandal|Sumdaso}}
* {{vandal|Sumdasoavi}}
* {{vandal|Sumdasoavina}}
* {{vandal|Sumdasoavinam}}


==You've got mail!==
All socks except Sumdaso are active here, with edits during the last month.
{{you've got mail|subject=|ts=11:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)}}
] <small>(] • ])</small> 11:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


==Selena Gomez's "associated act"==
I wasn't quite sure where to take this info, so if there's a more appropriate way to bring this up, please let me know. ''—] (], ])'' 16:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


:It's for long-term relationships with multiple collaborations. See ] for an expansion, ].&mdash;](]) 15:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
== Talkback ==


==] arbitration evidence phase closing soon==
{{talkback|SpigotMap}}
]] 17:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


As a listed party to this case, this is a notification that the evidence phase of this case is closing soon on 13 July. If you have additional evidence that you wish to introduce for consideration, it must be entered before this date. On behalf of the committee, ] <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;">] ]</sup> 17:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
== Re. ] ==
:Kww, I'm really sorry that much of the input at arbitration has favored you losing the mop. Hoping that doesn't happen. Not sure what you'll do if you become desysopped, but I wish you all the best for the future, and definitely don't think you've been as bad of an admin as some users seem to suggest. ] (] / ]) 05:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
::Though, thanks for your past five years of your administrative efforts. ''']]''' 02:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
:::I'd like to thank you as well for your service as an admin. You definitely have been an overall net positive to the project. Cheers, ] (] / ]) 14:40, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


== Arbitration proposed decision ==
Hi Kww, I see you reverted , holding that edit request was from banned user Brexx. Well', I'm not familiar with them; however, I think {{User|Butthesilvermoon}} may be another sock, given this ]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"> ''']'''</span> (]) 17:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
:And here's another one {{userlinks|86.96.226.85}} <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"> ''']'''</span> (]) 21:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
::I hope I'm not bothering you (and I hope I'm not becoming paranoid), but a new user, {{User|Jwfrancais}} made an edit request on an article protected because of Brexx. I've assumed good faith and done it, but a second opinion won't hurt. ^__^ <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"> ''']'''</span> (]) 21:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


Hi Kww, in the open ] arbitration case, a ] which relates to you.&nbsp; Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the ]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see ]. For the Arbitration Committee, ''']''' (] / ] / ]) 03:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
== Thread on AN/I ==
==MfD nomination of ]==
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== Anonpediann ==
I'm not certain, but given the potential for disaster with such information, I believe you should immediately apply for oversight by e-mail and ask a commons admin to delete the files from commons and/or a wikipedia admin to revdel the additions from the user page. Please don't bring this to AN/I again though, as it receives heavy traffic and further attention should not be brought to this. Thanks. <span id="gw_sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">''']''' </font>]]</span> 22:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
:FYI, {{Done}}. The user page has been oversighted by {{bureaucrat|Alison}}. <span id="gw_sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">''']''' </font>]]</span> 23:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


Hi Kww, I think you're aware of Anonpediann although I thought I'd bring him up anyway. He's got a retired sticker on his talk page, yet he's going through talk pages and removing comments like . I'm surmising that he is removing them because he believes they are his (I note that User:Justasaddream ), but this is obviously disruptive if other people have responded to them. Thoughts? I'm a little confused by this scenario. I think that maybe he was signing comments as Justasaddream even though that account didn't exist? I found a proper name change request from Urjustaghost --> Anonpediann so that one is clear to me. I'm still warming up to my newly "earned" admin tools. ] (]) 15:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
== Re:/* User:McYel responds to User:Alison, User:Crazycomputers, and admins */ ==
:Rewarn, revert, and block if it repeats.&mdash;](]) 16:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


== Time for a vacation? ==
I don't want to ever have to look at the noticeboards again. I looked at it, I read it as an allegation of serious crime against a named person (or at least negative discussion of a living person) and I thought that, even if I'm reading it wrong, it could be damaging. Better to delete and be safe. ] (]) 22:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


When was the last time you were on Bonaire? ]<sup>]]</sup> 00:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
== Venzuelan Singles Chart ==
:This spring. Believe me, I'd love to be able to just move back home.&mdash;](]) 00:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
::I just got back to the US - was on Bonaire for 10 mos. Wish I had known you were there!! ]<sup>]]</sup> 01:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)


== ] closed ==
Hi, the Venezuelan Singles Charts are 200 positions. from the chart says: "Subjects whose rise is more than four positions, in the current week, in the general classification (Top 200)".--] (]) 05:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:


# {{user|Kww}}'s ] permissions are revoked. He may regain the tools at any time through a successful ]<p>
==help needed==
# {{user|Kww}}'s ] permission is revoked. He may only regain them as follows: If he is desysopped as a result of this case, and is later successful at regaining the administrator tools through a successful request for adminship, this restriction will automatically expire. If he is not desysopped as a result of this case, he may appeal this remedy after 12 months to the Arbitration Committee.<p>
Ciao! this ] unnamed guy is keeping reverting the original name of ] to ''Sant'Antonio '''di'''Padova'', where in Italy saints and people are called "Da" (see for example the church's Italian article). Let me know. --] (]) 09:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
# The community is encouraged to establish a policy or guideline for the use of ], and a process by which existing and proposed edit filters may be judged against these.<p>
:Further, the Ferrol jerk has returned as ]. --] (]) 12:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::I think if you check at his/her user page, you'll see the style is the same then all the others sockpuppets. And of course the main clue is the endless revertion of ] to that pre-wikified version and the fact he/she devotes esclusively to ]n themes. --] (]) 13:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Ok! thanks for the kind attentions and good work! --] (]) 15:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::::The Ferrol sockpuppet struck again! --] (]) 15:00, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


For the Arbitration Committee, ] <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;">] ]</sup> 14:37, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
==RE:Round & Round==
I thought ] applied to edit warring, which I am not involved in warring with another editor of a particular edit. ] (]) 14:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::So I'm just supposed to let unsourced/non-applicable information stay on the article? ] (]) 15:00, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


: Discuss this at: ''']'''
==A little alarm bell went off==
What do you think of this? I can't help but think it's him or even him. Thoughts? - ] (]) 14:34, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


== SPI ==


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Just so you know, we are no longer using "spiclose" as we have overhauled the system over there. ] (]) 02:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
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*Kevin, I am sorry to see this. Setting aside all the disputes and disagreements you and I have had, I'm sorry. ] (]) 17:13, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
*I too am very sad to see this. --] (]) 18:56, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
*So am I. You will be missed. ] (] / ]) 19:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
*Missed, SNUGGUMS? Kww hasn't left, has he? But I'm very sorry to see the result of the case. Kww, even though I've sometimes felt your style was a bit like that of a steamroller, I admire your work. Few people have done as much as you for the site, and I will certainly support any time you want to go for a new RFA. ] &#124; ] 19:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC).
:*He stated in he's not going to be very active anymore, {{u|Bishonen}}. ] (] / ]) 21:29, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
:*I doubt I will be very active from this point on. I've always been frustrated by Arbcom's ability to miss the point of every case set before it, and this case was no different. I view this as an extension of our Eric Corbett problem: once an editor is popular enough, the blowback from a block is hazardous. It was somewhat entertaining watching Arbcom try to distinguish the BLP violations TRM was blocked over from other BLP violations, try to rewrite ] and ] to justify their position, fail to do so, and ''still'' find that blocking TRM was so unjustifiable that I required a desysop. An edit filter that allowed an IP to talk about his edits rather than simply blocking him was some nefarious scheme of mine to avoid scrutiny? A failed experiment, certainly, but hardly a nefarious scheme. An edit filter that prevented the addition of ''completely unsourced tables'' to awards articles was so problematic as to warrant a desysop? Not in any universe that takes ] seriously.&mdash;](]) 21:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
::*You definitely shouldn't have lost your mop, I'll say that now. Very few other editors I know of are quite as attentive to sourcing. ] (] / ]) 21:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
::: I second that. <span style="font face="Papyrus" size="4" font-weight:bold">]</span> 15:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::::I'm very sorry about this. You've done a lot for the project, and the bravery I've seen in standing up to malign folk should earn you plaudits, not this. I've long since given up on ArbCom as something necessary for the project I hope you stay. I understand if you do not. In any event you have my great respect and gratitude.--] (]) 15:01, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I also think it's disappointing that you were desysopped and I think it's a shame that you're scaling back your time here. I can't think of a more productive, effective and efficient admin in the music articles than you, Kww; it won't be easy for others to fill in for the work that you've done. ] 13:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::I am shocked and dismayed by this news. Although I am not involved in this dispute, I wish to echo the sentiments of ] and others. I have come to consider you the MAIN MAN when it comes to music articles and have learned much from observing your edits and project activities. One thing that I remember learning from you particularly is that Bubbling Under charts are ''not'' true extensions of their parent charts, as songs cannot fall back through the BU positions after the song has been on the parent chart.—] (]) 22:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
:I too am very sorry to see that this has happened. I am not as active on Misplaced Pages anymore, so this comes as a huge surprise, as I could not foresee anything like this happening. I say this because our previous experience has shown you to be extremely diligent and effective, with you being able to route out problematic editors of any kind. You will be sorely missed. ]<sub>&nbsp;]•]</sub> 03:04, 17 August 2015 (UTC)


==STARKILLERS==
== Re: Brazil and ] ==


Hi, I've made several edits to the music wiki page of ] only to have been reverted by a rookie editor. I seek your assistance. This article is full of wiki:puff including talks
Actually, it's not just the singles chart. All charts from hot100brasil.com are removed on sight, as are charts sourced to billboard.com.br. The charts at ABPD and the actual Billboard Brasil magazine are good. You need to be careful to supply sources, because unsourced Brazilian chart positions are usually removed.&mdash;](]) 19:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
of funding from (fictional) gangsters, unsubstatiated claims of chartings, an un-notable podcast internet radio show, etc. Its clearly authored by the dj himself as in the
::I don't get it. The source i provided belonged to ABPD. ] (]) 11:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
ASSOCIATED ACTS section, when you check to edit it, it states 'please don't add associated acts here as starkers is a freelance producer'.
==Gladys Tuffjerk==
Thanks! but why not to block endlessly Gladys Tuffnel? --] (]) 16:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Message on her Talk says indef, but the message on her Userpage said "for a period of time" (I think that message was left over from an earlier block). Block log says "indefinite", so I changed the Userpage message to say "indef" too. (BTW I'm not an admin, just helping out. Hope I did this right.) ] (]) 16:50, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


It is a ridiculous promo piece.
== Top 10 singles articles and how to "develop them into high quality articles" ==


Please check it out and revert the page back to my edits.
Do you remember the conversation at ] from a couple of weeks ago? User 03md was keen to work over some UK top ten singles lists. You with "I oppose the very existence of this kind of article" and some other remarks, then you wisely moved on while I continued to blither on about wikitables and formatting and refs for a bit.


thanks <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
The user made some noises that sounded like understanding your points, or maybe just my points, or not, but then asked a couple more questions that show him unsure about proceeding. He is "not aware of policies on these sorts of articles" but "trying to develop them into high quality articles". I'm not solid on the difference (that you see) between the list articles that he wants to make (or improve) and the other articles where we use (for example) a bunch of chart info for a discography. Do you want to pop back in there and clarify your viewpoint for him? I'm sure you'll help him better than I can. At least zou can give him some policz help.


== ARCA notice ==
It's the right ''above'' your earlier "I oppose..." bit. <i>&mdash;&nbsp;] (])</i> 20:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


You are involved in a recently-filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at ] and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the ] may be of use.
==Teenage Dream==
You're an administrator. If you believe the article is good enough to move, then move it. (I'll tell you, I certaintly I think it's OK to move, even to the page ]!) ] (]) 18:55, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


Thanks,<!-- Template:Arbitration CA notice --> ''']''' (] / ] / ]) 22:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:What about discussion at ]? That would be the best concentration of interested editors. —''']''' (]) 22:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:This is completely unrelated to anything you've done (if you've even done anything; I don't know) before or after the decision was announced. Basically, several people were confused by remedy #2, so I've filed a request to get Arbcom to clarify what they meant. ] (]) 02:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


== Reply == == Notice ==
] There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is ]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. <span style="font-size:10pt;color:white;background:black;padding:0 3px;"><big>☺</big>&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 03:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
*Courtesy notification since you have been mentioned on AN. <small>Well, technically you're mentioned on Technophant's talk page which is partially transcluded on AN (long story), but the end result is similar enough that I feel it warrants the usual notification.</small>. <span style="font-size:10pt;color:white;background:black;padding:0 3px;"><big>☺</big>&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 03:02, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


== Standard Offer unblock request for ] ==
Zero use of edit summary, coupled with prior block history and warnings (see the warnings at the user's talk page, in multiple sections) plus the unsourced changes to infobox, unsourced addition of categories, etc. -- ''']''' (]) 14:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


{{user5|Technophant}}
== Merry Christmas ==
I turn to you as you have been there through all the history with Petergriffin9901, and it seems he respects your opinion. In the article '']'', Petergriffin9901 wrote that it is the '''most successful Christmas album of all time''' and added this source.


Technophant has requested an unblock under the standard offer. As one of about 60 editors who has contributed to ] you may have an interest in this request. Sent by ] via -- ] (]) 16:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I have started to talk with him but it is as always - no chance to compromise. Here is my explanation:
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==Mate==
1. The source from November 2009 - Carey's official website says: ""All I Want For Christmas is You" was the leading single from Mariah's 1994 Merry Christmas album, selling 11 million copies worldwide '''on it's way to becoming one of the best selling Christmas album of all time'''!"
If you give up, perhaps we all need to. Thought of losing an admin devoted to verifiable content saddens me. Best wished. Hope all that was needed was a break, not retirement. Cheers. ] (]) 20:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


== The Rambling Man ==
2. Petergriffin9901's source is older - Foxnews.com from March 2008. It does not explain what does it mean "most successful". ''Merry Christmas'' did not win any awards, did not peak the highest on the charts and did not sell the most.


If you don't want to cause drama and strife, please do not post on The Rambling Man's talk page again. I can't put it simpler than that. ] ] ] 07:03, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
3. As ''Billboard'' is saying, Elvis Presley has sold 12 million copies of his album in the U.S. alone. Carey has sold 11 million worldwide.
:If he doesn't want to to respond, ], he shouldn't . I don't know how much simpler than that I can put it.&mdash;](]) 10:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
::I was going to go to TRM's page and advise him of the same, but he has scrubbed the message off his talk page, which I ] he wants to forget it about it. Seriously, all that happens when the two of you bang heads is trouble; walk away from it. ] ] ] 10:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I pretty much have walked away: in the conflict between the content-creator cult and those of us that value reliable sourcing, the content-creator cult has won. I remain flabbergasted that an admin that intentionally violated ], ], ], and ] had such widespread support, but a dissent-free Arbcom decision made it pretty clear that I'm no longer welcome. I only monitor my talk page for the occasional ping that I receive to take care of any issues that I may have left open.&mdash;](]) 16:02, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


== Arbitration clarification request archived ==
4. No serious source says that "Merry Christmas" is the best selling/most successful Christmas album in the world. However it is definitely one of the best selling Christmas albums and as Wasted Time R said last year "Just say that Merry Christmas was commercially successful and leave it at that".


The ], which you were listed as a party to, has been closed and archived to the ]. For the Arbitration Committee, ''']''' (] / ] / ]) 03:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
5. If it would have been the best selling/most successful, Carey's label would have remind it to us every chanse they would get.


==RE: Counting to 100==
6. It is not even the best selling Christmas album in the U.S. which is her market where she was most popular (she's #8).
I know that, but look at other discography pages. They all have numbers greater than 100 for songs who peaked in "Bubbling Under Hot 100."
] (]) 14:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


== Kim Kardashian RfC ==
7. And one more thing: Petergriffin9901 links to "Bestselling Christmas/holiday albums in the United States" article but changes the text to "most successful Christmas album of all time". He also added his claim to the U.S. albums article.


So I would like to leave it as "one of the best selling" or "one of the most successful" but not the most successful as it is not true. ](])09:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC) You previously gave an opinion about the filmography section at ]. Please see ], where a request for comments has been started. ] (]) 20:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


Has anyone taken the edit requesting of her surname not being used more than once after her occupations as a model and TV personality respectively? It sounds messed up and out of place. The tape made her famous after all.


I know that you retired from adminship, but let someone take the opposite to Kourtney Khloe and Kylie's surnames being repeated after said occupations because using she is repetitive.
=== My Response ===


Thats all,
Okay, so here is my logic to the issue. First of all Max, you didn't look to compromise just to revert my edit. But enough about that, I would like to keep the peace, Ill just explain.


] (]) 16:47, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
1. Mariah Carey's website is not that reliable. Its NOT an independent source, meaning it cannot be trusted to represent her sales accurately. You yourself have admitted that before, but now you don't simply because they list her sales lower. If Carey's website listed "Daydream's" sales at 30 million worldwide, Max would certainly make an excuse about how it could not be trusted as they inflate sales and its not an independent source and not reliable. Only now because they list her sales a tad lower, you all of a sudden, trust them and want to stick with their listings.


== Notice: Proposed change to WP:INVOLVED ==
2. I understand what your saying regarding Fox news claiming "The most successful" so I found a more reliable and specific source. is reliable and was even trusted to represent Madonna's worldwide sales on her FA status article. This source actually states "The best-selling Christmas album of all time". This solves the issue you mentioned of not being specific.


Discussion is at ] --] (])
3. Your other issue is that Elvis' album sold 12, so if Carey's sold 11 its not possible. Well here is my answer. Carey's website lists her sales at 11 million, but I have 2 independent and reliable sources claiming her sales at 12 million. They are better since they are independent sources. Also your only logic really is not "Carey's website says 11", or else I'd maybe say, "Well he believes it to be more reliable". Thats not the case Max, your logic is simply, "Well if Carey's own website (who must inflate her sales) lists it at 11, it for sure is 11 or possibly less". Thats not a proper approach, "Because a Carey fan says 175, it must for sure be lower because they will for sure inflate, so its not possible to be 200". That's your logic, and its by far not a concrete one. Here are the two reliable independent sources and .


== Hello ==
4. I have already answered #4 with my "The Independent" source.


I'm not sure if you remember me (you're probably more familiar with another username, which you can see on my ]), but I'm sorry to hear that you lost your administrative privileges. I only just now found out while keeping up, though I'm not participating, with a ] regarding possible tool misuse by an administrator. (Do a CTRL + F for your name "Kww." You're mentioned three times.)
5. I have already answered that. That kind of logic "if this, then that would for sure" is not reliable or meaningful, its just because there really is no concrete reason.


Both you and {{U|Apparition11}} frequently tried to help me when I was in my "stubborn era," and as you can see from my , I never really "soaked" all the advice in, so I was out for a while. ] (]) 21:53, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
6. The US is not Carey's main market. She has shipped only 63 million albums in the US, and over 112 or 137 (depending on what her label claims, or countless reliable sources) around the world, equaling either 175 or over 200 million records sold worldwide. Dion has I believe, almost the same retribution, 50 something million in the US, and the rest worldwide (140 ish). As you see its not that the US is her main market, but the US buys more albums in comparison to other countries as is relevant in Dion, Madonna and Carey's sales.


== Help with disruptive IP ==
Secondly, is almost 2 years old, where it lists Carey at #8 in the US. , which is simply 1 year newer, lists Carey's US sales at #3, because Carey's Holiday album sells handsomely each year. Forget that though, in reality her album could sell 0 in the US and still be #1 worldwide, so that really doesn't make a damn difference.


Hi Kevin. I'm having a problem with an IP at the article ]. They continue to restore their controversial edit to the article, without responding to content of their changes at the RfC (''I'' opened ''for'' them), calling WP:BRD an "irrelevant doctrine" and refusing to leave the article in the condition it was in before their bold edit was made, like BRD states, instead . Could you please help restore some order to the article? It appears it is the same who disrupted the article in November of last year when they forced ] in an attempt to introduce similarly synthesized material into the article using the same sources. ] (]) 17:13, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
7. I linked it the the "Best-selling in the US" article, simply because there is a small section in the article that lists the best-selling in the world. Thats all.
:No admin tools left here, ].&mdash;](]) 09:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


== Templates ==
8. In reality, I have a very reliable source claiming its the "Best-selling Christmas album of all time", Max has nothing to counter other than crappy logic, regarding "If her website says this, it must be less because they for sure inflate her sales".


Hi Kww, I'm sorry to see you won't be around any more – for various reasons, Misplaced Pages has lost quite a number of longstanding excellent editors like yourself over the last 12 months, and that can't be good for the project. Anyway, just a quick question if you are still reading your talk page: are there other editors who will be maintaining the Singlechart and Albumchart templates in your absence? Best wishes for the future. ] (]) 21:29, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I would like to list it as "The best-selling Christmas album of all time", alongside it selling 12 million copies worldwide because that is what 2 reliable independent sources indicate.--] &bull; ] 00:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:I keep track of pings and messages. Not as quickly as I used to (depends on how bored I am). No one in specific has taken over the templates I used to maintain, but there are a number of editors that do OK with them.&mdash;](]) 00:35, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
::Ah thanks, I'll direct my query there then - the German chart website has changed its layout and consequently screwed up all the links that pointed there. Thanks. ] (]) 01:02, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


== Help ==
::What does it mean "most successful"? Is it "best selling"? If it does, Carey's album is not "most successful". Even if she would sell 12 million copies worldwide, Elvis sold 12 million in one country only - U.S. With sales from other countries, Elvis is way ahead of Carey. Dion has also sold between 12 and 15 million of her Christmas album, as various sources are saying. However the article says: "''These Are Special Times'' is one of the best selling Christmas albums".


Hi Kww! I just wanted to ask you for help because in the page "]", at the composition section, backing the genres, there are a lot of sources which reliability is not clear at all. Could you help me to clean up this sources i'm talking you about? Thanks. ] (]) 20:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC) ] (]) 20:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
::I trust oficial websites/labels. If they would say Carey has sold 200 million albums or ''Daydream'' is at 30 million I would add it myslef to the articles.


== Tony Penikett ==
::Even the updated source you gave lists Carey at #3 in the U.S.: Kenny G's Miracles-The Holiday Album (7,215,000), Celine Dion's These Are Special Times (5,123,000), Mariah Carey's Merry Christmas (5,048,000).


Could you unlock the article had been protected so I can add some details not for vandalism, is for own good? <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:08, 27 October 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::The label would never lower artist sales numbers, it's not in their interest.
:When you edit this page to reply to me, please read the message that comes up.&mdash;](]) 21:42, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


== ] arbitration case opened ==
::Kww, what's your opinion? Is ''Merry Christmas'' "most successful" or "one of most successful"? ](]) 09:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


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First of all Max, let me answer you.
''You may opt-out of future notifications related to this case at ].'' You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at ]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at ]. '''Please add your evidence by November 5, 2015, which is when the evidence phase closes.''' For this case, there will be no Workshop phase. For a guide to the arbitration process, see ]. For the Arbitration Committee, ] <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;">] ]</sup> 13:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


== ] ==
1. I already gave you a source actually saying "Best-selling", so your arguement of "Most successful" or anything else doesn't apply.


Hi. Would you be amenable for me removing the protection on this talk page you added back in March? Another IP (unrelated to this one) wants to discuss something, and it's pretty rare that we lock talk pages indefinitely to anyone. <small>PS: I know you don't have the tools anymore, but that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on this.</small> ] ] ] 10:52, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
2. Secondly, Dion's album did not sell 15 million copies. If you were able to find "reliable sources" (and I don't mean SuperiorPics or some photo site) claiming 15M for her, you can be sure as hell Max would have placed it in the article. That being said, Dion's album sold 11-12.
:I don't understand why anyone chooses to discuss it any more, ], but if you want to put up with it, feel free to put up with it.&mdash;](]) 22:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


== ] ==
3. You logic doesn't make any sense, just because Dion's sold 100K more in the US makes it more successful? US has '''nothing''' to do with Worldwide sales.


Hi Kww
4. Lastly, your inquiry about Elvis selling 12 million in the US alone. Hmmm, seems concrete, however that'll change, check this out. The article '''does not''' specify whether or not his album sold 12 in the US or worldwide, so we have to make guesses. According to the site, his album is certified 9x Platinum in the US, so that is what we can officially go by. Now your concerned with the rest of the world. Now you mentined that Carey is mostly a US artist (an untrue claim), well Elvis is '''certainly''' a US only artist, hear these facts. Look , Elvis has '''176.6 million abums certifications in the US''' and only '''12.6 million in the rest of the world'''. You don't think its possible that Elvis' Christmas album sold in the range of 9 million in the US, and 3 million in the rest of the world (a full quarter of his weak worldwide sales)? Its extremely probable! that is no doubt the way it went, the article is listing the albums worldwide sales not its US sales as it does for Carey and Dion.--] &bull; ] 11:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


Your section on the evidence page has been moved to the evidence talk page as it does not meet the requirements for inclusion as evidence. This has been undertaken as a clerk action and should not be reverted.
In fact I just checked, the actually agrees with me. It says his album has sold 12 million (unspecified), then it says 9 million in the US. That completely goes on what I said before.--] &bull; ] 11:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


For the Arbitration Comittee. ] (])(]) 12:35, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
::If ''These Are Special Times'' sold 12 million copies and ''Merry Christmas'' 11 million (or even 12 million), how can the second one be "best selling"? ](])12:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


== User LikeDude23 5SOS page vandalism ==
:::I have a few responses for that.


Hi,
:::1. One, on Misplaced Pages, we do not go by math and adding up sales, we go by the word of refutable and reliable sources. If we didn't who knows the kinds of drastic changes in sales pages like "Thriller", "Michael Jackson", "The Beatles" or "Elvis" would experience. Its not about adding up sales, certifications or any of the above, its what we can readily prove and back up.


User LikeDude23 keeps vandalising the 5 Seconds of Summer page, by constantly changing the genres of the band to pop and classing them as a boyband. Their acts have been extremely annoying and as you protected the page, I ask you to do something about the user's constant disruption to the page.
:::2. Secondly, where is your reliable source that "These are Special Times" has even sold 12 million? The in the article is "Famouspeople.com". Im not going to go as far as saying its a blog or a page created by a 12 year old, but it is not reliable and seems like a less popular version of IMDB. So you don't even have real proof it sold 12.


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:::3. But lets say you did, lets say the sources say 12 for both, does that make them 100% equal, like 12.576 million? Absolutely not!, Carey's could be 12.456 and Dion's could be 12.234 million.
::: Kevin, if you have any questions, doubts or interests, please let me now and Ill do my best to explain my case.--] &bull; ] 12:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


== ] ==
::''Billboard'''s editor Paul Grein article says: "Elvis Presley still has the most popular holiday album of all time. Elvis' Christmas Album, originally released in 1957, has sold more than 12 million copies, allowing it to beat out Kenny G's 1994 smash Miracles-A Holiday Album." and "Elvis Presley, Elvis' Christmas Album, 12,000,000. It has sold 9,000,000 copies, per the RIAA." And if the differance between Dion and Carey is small, Carey's album should be named "one of the best selling" and not the best one.](])12:35, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


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== Jdogno5 Socking as Lucifer Morningstar ==
I have once again a few answers.


Hi there. I was on the Lucifer DC comics page and noticed that a user Lucifer Morningstar, is adding information that Jdogno5 previously added to the page that is speculative. Looking at his contributions show that he had been editing pages that Jdogno5 use to and adding the same/similar information, similar grammar and wordage, etc. As you previously blocked Jdogno5, and it is rather blatant that they are the same person, I fighters I should let you know to see if there is socking going on. Sorry to bother. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:44, 4 December 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
1. You yourself just wrote that Paul wrote "Most popular", that doesn't mean "Best-selling", as far as Im concerned, I don't even know what that claim means. Just as you don't understand what "The most successful album" means, I don't understand what "The most popular album" means.


== ] case closed ==
2. Again, Paul doesn't say anything about more sales than anyone, just ppopularity which means nothing, thats just his opinion. Your not telling me anything new or factly.


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3. Again you have no proof of it having sold more than 12 million copies, no article in the world tells us 12+9=21 worldwide, do they? So again were back to square 1 with you, except now your just wasting my time because you don't even have a new measly source, just your claims and thoughts.--] &bull; ] 12:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


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== Kelly Rowland Discography ==


1.1) The Arbitration Committee confirms the sanctions imposed on Eric Corbett as a result of the ] case, but mandates that all enforcement requests relating to them be filed at ] and be kept open for at least 24 hours.
Hi Kevin,
I'm trying to promote ] to FL status. Its something I've never worked on but I've had a steep learning curve to correct the issues. Its in pretty good nick at the moment though I accept that currently the music videos are not sourced (i.e. the directors). I've searched hard using various internet tools but a lot of her earlier videos are hard to find sources for. I've noticed in other FL discogs like ] people have put MTV and VH1 links for music videos but neither links show the directors - only just directly linking to the music video itself. Could you advise me on how I can source the videos? Or anything else that the discog is missing please? --] (]) 15:45, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


3) For his breaches of the standards of conduct expected of editors and administrators, Black Kite is admonished.
:Ok no problem. I just thought you might now a website that provides a good source etc. Thanks anyway. --] (]) 16:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


6) The community is reminded that discretionary sanctions have been authorised for any page relating to or any edit about: (i) the Gender Gap Task Force; (ii) the gender disparity among Wikipedians; and (iii) any process or discussion relating to these topics, all broadly construed.
== Mariah Carey Discussion ==


For the Arbitration Committee, <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; font-variant:caps;">] (])</span> 02:41, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi Kevin, I would appreciate you input , so we can finally reach a consensus. Thanks :).--] &bull; ] 01:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Discuss this at: ''']'''
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== Happy Holidays to you, your family and friends. May you have happy editing! ==
Kww,


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Wehwalt suggested that I contact you regarding an AN/I case . There’s a disruptive editor who was given an indefinite block last month (June AN/I thread, resulting in the block, is here:). Documented conduct problems for this user include (but are not limited to) severe wikihounding of multiple editors, abusive sockpuppetry, block evasion, uncivil (in the extreme – perpetual demeaning language), trolling (e.g. attempting to instigate edit wars among other editors, etc.), vandalism, and miscellaneous covert maneuvers to thwart administrative action (e.g. forging admin signature). And, as people have noted, the user has shown no desire to reform despite being given ample opportunities.
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== Happy New Year! ==
After laying low for a couple weeks, he started up again (wikistalking one of his usual targets, Centpacrr) via a new sock account (Filmcracker) and an anonymous IP (which he’d used previously in his disruptive editing). A new AN/I thread was started on July 13 (by Centpacrr), requesting a block on these sock accounts (see new thread here ). A community ban proposal was soon made (by another editor), eight editors have weighed in, all fully supporting and none opposed (and the majority of editors commenting have no personal history of conflict with this user). The user in question summarily deleted the two notices (about AN/I) posted at the Filmcracker talk page, left a note on the talk page of the editor who initiated the thread calling him a crank, crackpot, and kook, and has provided absolutely no response at AN/I. The AN/I thread has now been sitting unclosed (with no comments from new editors) for a couple days, despite requests for admin closure (and no admin response to the request “what (if any) further evidence or comments are needed to obtain the necessary administrative action.”). The user continues to roll merrily along with his edits to various articles (though a previously uninvolved editor – Rockstone – has volunteered to revert them).


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Wehwalt felt that he shouldn’t be a closing admin on this, since he has prior involvement in trying to deal with this user’s conduct, and has previously expressed frustration with him. He suggested that I contact you. I’d be happy to provide any further information/evidence you feel is needed. Thanks. ] (]) 05:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
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== archive.is blocked ==
:Thanks much Kww.
happy new year, kww! i tried to add an archive.is link to the ian murdock article as no reference otherwise but a pastebin link confirms that he announced his death. but i get an error that archive.is is not allowed. i read the rfc and i would be annoyed as well by some bot adding links to a users own archive service. but in this case i find it not so practical. i read on the rfc that it is not on the spamlist. can you please detail the exact conditions when archive.is would be allowed and when not? --] (]) 22:47, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
:I’ve tried to compile the list you requested. It’s somewhat difficult, since he’s edited many articles. I’ve tried to break things down into categories, so you can include what you see fit.
:That's easy. It's never acceptable under any condition for any reason. If you can't find a reliable source to point at, don't add the information. If you can find a reliable source to point at, feel free to use a reputable archiving service to archive the link.&mdash;](]) 23:52, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


== RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes ==
:Articles that he’s recently disruptively edited, or where (for one reason or another) I think there’s especially high potential for him to try to cause conflicts: ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ]


There is an RfC at ] concerning what should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --] (]) 22:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
:Articles that he’s edited repeatedly, and where he’s likely to return: ], ], ],], ],], ], ], ], ], ],]


== Refactoring of your statement at ] ==
:He’s very prone to go after articles about counties and towns in Wisconsin (and has been quite problematic at various of these). However, the list of such articles would be voluminous, so I’m not including them.


Hi Kww. The clerks have redacted parts of your statement at ]. You are welcome to rephrase removed content in a way that is not inflammatory and does not contain personal attacks. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know on my talk page. (Specific actions may or may not have been taken by me personally.) Questions may also be directed to ], the clerks' mailing list ({{nospam|clerks-l|lists.wikimedia.org}}), or the Arbitration Committee mailing list ({{nospam|arbcom-l|lists.wikimedia.org}}). Thanks, ''']''' (<small>aka</small> ]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; ]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; ]) 14:17, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:I think he’s also very likely to go after any article that Centpacrr has edited recently. So I’m including a list of some of the more attractive targets (that Centpacrr has edited in the last couple months): ],], ],], ],],], ],],],],],]
*{{tps}}- now that's just silly. How is someone supposed to say another editor is being disruptive on purpose if they're not allowed to say "being disruptive on purpose"? I think you clerks are far too overzealous with the redaction. ] ] 14:36, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
::*Beyond silly, but every interaction I've had with TRM has involved Humptydumptyism of one kind or another. He's a well-respected former bureaucrat and long-term administrator, you know, which means that we no longer expect him to be held to the same standards as mortal men, like actually following ] and ].&mdash;](]) 15:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::You're welcome, as far as I'm concerned, to discuss this with {{U|L235}}, but you're not welcome to just reinstate it. ] (]) 15:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


== Tony Penikett ==
:I think the above list only gives perhaps 20% coverage, but it covers the material where he’s disproportionately likely to prove problematic. Also, for many of these, if he can’t edit the article directly, he’s likely to try to stir up trouble on the article’s talk page (he’s very skilled at that).


=== ] ===
:If you want a more comprehensive list of articles he’s repeatedly edited (as opposed to the select list above), let me know (for example, as I mentioned above, I haven’t included all the WI county and town articles he tends to go after – where he’s really been a PITA for other editors).] (]) 20:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
* {{pagelinks|Tony Penikett}}
'''Unprotection:''' Expiration Date. Mo
*Why don't you responding unprotection of Tony Penikett few days ago?
:*Because anyone that read the edit notice when they made the comment on my page would know that I can't do a damn thing about it, for one. For two, I don't believe that there's any need for anonymous editors to edit articles about living people.&mdash;](]) 23:09, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
* Can you do it for god's sake? <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Your inability to read indicates that no one should unprotect any article that you are interested in. Please go away until you become literate.&mdash;](]) 15:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
* {{pagelinks|Tony Penikett}}
'''Unprotection:''' Expiration. Mo
:Let's repeat this: I cannot unprotect the page. It's impossible. Every time you leave me a message, you get a message '''''explaining''''' to you why it's impossible. Since you have failed to explain to anyone at any time exactly ''why'' the page should be unprotected, it's quite unlikely that anyone else will do it either. So go find something else to do.&mdash;](]) 18:29, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
* Listen to you, your,re the one protecting the article I been not editing the article for 2 years so its your responsibility do it I say and no gets hurt GOT IT?! <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:53, 28 January 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I'll respond one more time: I cannot unprotect the article. It is not possible. Even if I thought you had good intentions (which I don't) or thought you were competent to edit the article (which I don't), as the message you see ''every time you leave me a message explains'', I am no longer an administrator. Go away now.&mdash;](]) 20:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
* please just once more I'll do anything I could? <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::* *sigh*&mdash;](]) 20:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


== Our persistent anonymous friend ==
== Mariah Carey ==


I've come to the conclusion that it's no longer worthwhile to even engage "Mo" at all anymore. As of now, if I see any further "unprotect" requests from them on ] or my own talk page, all I'm going to do is hit the revert button and walk away. You might want to consider that option as well, even if just as a sanity-preservation tactic. ] (]) 21:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello Kevin, I already previously asked you to take a look and input yoour opinion on the pages discussion. But it has gotten rough and out of hand, and people aren't listening to logic and reason. Please read the discussion and help. Admin guidance is really needed. Edit war and nonsense is taking place. I stopped reverting, please just get involved. Thanks--] &bull; ] 16:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


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Hello, I noticed that you gave warnings to ] because their disruptive editing on ], they seem to be at it again concerning what they think is unnecessary by removing it but that information has ALWAYS been on the page. Is there someway we can block this person from editing please? ] (]) 10:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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Way back in 2009 you started an AfD for ], it was recreated in 2012 and I created an AfD at ] to see if it should be deleted. Your input would be appreciated. ] (]) 09:44, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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You participated in an that was in mainspace. The result was userfy and it was moved to user space accordingly. The essay has been moved back to mainspace. There is a discussion as to whether it should be renamed and moved. The discussion is . ] (]) 00:33, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi,
Hello Kww, I posted a query at the reliable sources noticeboard today (]) and ] suggested I ask you, as someone "knowledgable in the field". I would appreciate your input. Thanks, --]] 19:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Thankyou.--]] 21:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== Your input is requested ==

I see you've at (what appears to be) a non-english speaker's talk page. I may need your assistance in assessing their talk page statements if they decide they want to contribute in the future. Did their edits appear good faith to you? I only ask because they have acted in a disruptive manner and that may be a mistaken POV on my part. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks ]] 19:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== Admin ==

Hello Kevin, I see you are a sysop now. Pity I missed the nomination page in which my name was also mentioned. Don't worry though I would have voted you this time hadn't I miss it. I think you're doing a good job. Good luck. Cheers. ] (]) 10:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== Mk5384 ==

I decided not to indef him, because with his history, there was no chance an unblock would ever be granted. I upped it to 6 months, though, in the hopes that would improve matters later. --] (]) 19:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== ]???? ==

What's the evidence for this sockblock? I'm not seeing it in the contributions. --] &#x007C; ] 01:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::I just don't see any evidence in that discussion that this (currently inactive) editor belonged anywhere on that list. --] &#x007C; ] 02:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Hi Kww and OrangeMike.
:::He's the same user as Filmcracker, Techwriter2B, 64.252.0.159, 75.2.209.226, and a bunch of other IPs. See here for the earlier AN/I thread (and, if needed, I can provide much additional detail on the identity of these sock accounts - the link isn't tenuous at all). He shifted topics somewhat under his Filmcracker ID, apparently to try to disguise his identity, after I delineated his patterns (including his favorite article topics) in the earlier AN/I thread (and Centpacrr, his perennial target, had recently heavily focused on editing ], so taking on the Film-focused ID presumably looked like a good tactic to use in going after Centpacrr's edits on that article). ] (]) 04:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::P.S. I can give voluminous additional detail – but I’ll just point out that a CU in a sock investigation (not directly related to Sift&Winnow) found that Sift&Winnow had also edited as anonymous IP 64.252.140.1 (localizing to Stratford CT area, as do all the other IP accounts, including 75.2.209.226, etc.). When the IP sock identity was publicly revealed (due to the CU), Sift&Winnow immediately stopped using his registered account, and subsequently exclusively edited via anonymous IPs (all localizing to Stratford CT area) until registering as Techwriter2B. Also, prior to registering as Sift&Winnow, he appears to have exclusively used anonymous IPs.] (]) 04:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::P.P.S. Also, I’ll mention that Sift&Winnow drew complaints of being a disruptive editor (e.g. see one such comment in the June AN/I thread) and remarks about stalking of edits (even though I think he was somewhat better behaved when posting under that username than when he chose to post anonymously). Also, there probably aren’t that many people in the Stratford CT area heavily editing large numbers of WP articles about WI and especially about obscure WI counties and towns (for a start Sift&Winnow ; 75.2.209.226 ), with heavy overlap on many other topics as well (articles about Germany/German-Americans, Catholicism, genealogy, etc.). Here’s a 2008 sock investigation into the IPs , where this user claimed that only the 12.76.*.* belonged to him, but where it was clear that he was also posting under 68.198.217.105 and 69.120.182.161, and then apparently tried to forge an admin signature using 64.252.28.1, to try to stop the investigation (again, I’ll note that all these IPs localize to Stratford CT area). The favored article topics and editing style are retained across the various IDs/IPs. Again, if desired, I can provide large amounts of additional documentation of the common identity of this user across all the accounts under discussion.] (]) 06:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:RoyalBroil suggested I contact you since you are the administrator that blocked Sift&Winnow. As I wrote to Eurytemona I suggested looking at the ] article talk page and edit because of the anon editor's comments and edits. This anon editor had a run-in with Dual Freq and reported Dual Freq for the violation of 3 reverts rule. Dual Freq is on a wikibreak. I tried talking this anon edit into getting an account. This was Sift&Winnow who got the account at my suggestion. I did the same thing when this anon editor was causing problems for Centpacrr that this editor would get an account and do something constructive like reverting vandalism, started an article, joining the WP Wisconsin project. I am sadden by the difficulty that Centpacrr and the others had to go through. Finally. as I told Eurytemona, I am stun that these edits are from Connecticut-I thought this editor lived in Dane County, Wisconsin. Thank you-] (]) 11:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== PeterGriffin's name calling ==

I'm having issues with PeterGriffin and his abusing and name-calling of others, whenever others are presenting sources which contradicts his own and deglorifies Carey in any way. These kind of behaviour is unacceptable. I did warn him over this a few days back, but just what happened in the ] and other Carey pages is beyond my comprehension. <font color="blue">]</font> ] 03:58, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:You wanna maybe explain your hipocrtisy Legolas? Only a few shiort days ago, you wrote much worse than me, . While I might have thrown a few insults back and forth, I don't use the word "Fuck" or "Shit" like you, so its NOT "beyond you". Secondly, you already spoke to me about it and I understood and explained to you, So I don't understand what your trying to accomplish here once again, your not even providing new instances, your simply instigating.--] &bull; ] 17:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

::Ok, understood.--] &bull; ] 18:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== first off ==

i did not insult. asked if he was dumb enough to think that. last i remember, asking someone a question is not insulting them. second you think i care if i get blocked? it wouldn't be the first time i did something that made sense on here, or on a wikia, that i got blocked for it, and then a week later they would have it on there. you have no power over me.

wikia: we have the source now. u cant do that, our policies state... blah blah..

they or you might as well be saying: if you put the right thing that only a stupid idiot wouldn't no is true without a source, you will be blocked. ] (]) 17:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== He's/she's back ==

Please see the message I have posted ] and review the links in it. This user really needs a community ban as soon as possible. ] (]) 19:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:To the best of my understanding, there is a ban in place. But technical measures (blocks and edit filters) need to be put into place to really stop this. The guy is determined, and quite "clever" in his manipulation attempts, and it's pretty clear to me that he won't stop without an adequate "fence" in place (e.g. on the IPs and IP ranges he uses).] (]) 19:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::As you can easily tell from just ''today's'' episode (see , , , , and ), blatant prevarication and feigned innocence/ignorance are among this user's favorite ploys. An effective and permanent ban of any and all accounts that he/she uses is essential, although I expect that this is not the last that we have heard from this individual. Whenever blocked, he/she always tries to find another ploy to get back in WP and be disruptive, but at least I hope that his/her damage to the project can be minimized as much as possible by the diligence of other editors. Fortunately individuals like this are relatively rare on Misplaced Pages, but those who surface can do real damage and also tend to eventually drive good editors away with their antics. I'll be sure to let you know if (or rather "when") he/she surfaces again. Thanks for your efforts in dealing with this, but I can tell you from three months of doing so myself it is like trying to play ] with a ]. ] (]) 22:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::How do we do it without blocking the state of Connecticut?--] (]) 23:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I think Kww’s suggestion of edit filters are an excellent idea (especially given the flexibility of such a tool). It seems to me that edit filters (for the articles he’s most likely to target) that block contributions from the pertinent IPs and IP ranges would help a lot. However, I don’t know enough about the construction of such filters to know whether they could exclude edits from newly registered users coming from specific IPs or IP ranges (as opposed to just excluding edits from the naked IPs). One problem is that it seems to me that still wouldn’t keep him from posting to various noticeboards (which he’s prone to do). I suppose IP blocks and range blocks could be put in place for the IPs and IP ranges he uses. If you exclude “stale” IP ranges, there is only one range (or perhaps two) plus several specific IP numbers (outside that range) that would have to be blocked (though he might try to find additional access routes if the ones he now uses are blocked). It’s too bad there isn’t some way to tie in geolocation into IP blocks or edit filters, since everything pertinent would map to the Stratford CT area.] (]) 23:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually I think there is a potential technical solution here. Every computer sends a good deal of information ''beyond'' just its IP when it requests a page from any server on the internet. (To see what is revealed click .) If a filter can be designed to include a number of these pieces of information, or preferably the MAC address of either the specific computer and/or modem it is connected to if that be determined using software like , within any of the IP ranges he/she uses that should go a long way to targeting only the user to be blocked. Another option is also to set a cookie on the user's browser that blocks that computer from accessing Misplaced Pages's ftp or upload functions. I'm not sure how to do that, but perhaps some tech person with access to the WP server logs can come up with a filter based on this. What this would do, in effect, is block a specific computer no matter what IP it is using, but allow other users within the range to access all of Misplaced Pages's functions. Just a thought. ] (]) 00:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::All that information is unavailable to anyone but a checkuser. An edit filter can only see the IP, and that ''only'' when the editor is editing anonymously.&mdash;](]) 03:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::All that I am suggesting is that there are clearly too many loopholes in the current system that can be exploited by banned users such as this one that it may be technically possible for WP to come up with a way of closing using one or more of these techniques. This would of course need to be developed and implemented by someone at a level of technical expertise and access to WP's infrastructure way above and beyond any of us. I think that it is something worth considering, however. The current system is clearly not able to effectively eliminate highly disruptive users like this one from its midst if they don't want to be. Based on his/her previous behavior, I'm sure that we have not heard the last of him/her. ] (]) 05:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Centpacrr - Problem is, even with a filter of the type you’re proposing, determined blocked/banned users could always find new access points (i.e. new computers to post from), since such a filter would only be computer-specific (as opposed to person-specific). Still, might have some utility way way down the line – but would take a lot of technical development, not to mention political process, to implement at WP. Most of the http header info relates to the user’s browser, and that could readily be changed by the user (e.g. Firefox vs IE vs Chrome vs etc.). The OS (which is also transmitted in the header) should remain pretty stable though (but that’s quite limited info). And the MAC address (very specific) could be gotten through javascript in the browser. But I think with any of this, lots of people in the WP community would be concerned about privacy/computer security – so I suspect there would be much resistance to such a proposal.] (]) 06:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::An aside – there’s been a lot of progress in recent years in statistical authorship identification techniques. Each person uses language in a surprisingly unique way. At some point, something like that could prove useful in identifying socks of blocked users (e.g. Support Vector Machine with appropriate character sets). It would be too computationally intensive to use in any kind of real-time filter (i.e. would slow the editing process down to much), but still could be useful in flagging suspect accounts/edits for later human inspection.] (]) 06:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yes I understand there are many limitations and that this may not be possible for reasons other than technical ones. But the current system is also clearly inadequate so I am trying to think "out of the box" right now and just brainstorm a bit. Disruptive users like this one are a vexing problem as you and I know all too well. Finding a broad based solution will not be easy and will take many more minds than just our's to accomplish, but if one ''can'' be found that works within the parameters of the project it would certainly also be a boon to the community as a whole. ] (]) 07:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

{{od}} No system is 100% perfect. CU is an inexact science as it is. Let's not lose focus of the purpose of the exclusion here: it's to prevent disruption to the project. Now that the social measure is in place (the ban), any new socks can be reverted on sight and immediately blocked. This doesn't put an end to the problem, but reduces it to the level of background noise. After that, it's just a case of remembering to follow the I part of RBI until the problem in question gets bored of looking for attention here. ] - ] 11:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:I substantially agree. The disruptive editor is seeking to provoke reactions. Ignoring him – presenting a perfectly cool response (that he can’t emotionally hook) is likely to help extinguish the problem over time. He might still be a major nuisance for a while, but with a ban in place (and admins who are aware of him and willing to put up rapid blocks given DUCK, etc.), it should eventually abate. Though I’ll also say, given this user’s determination, intelligence, and manipulative skills, I suspect it will probably be more than background noise for a time. And the current system for dealing with severely disruptive editors leaves something to be desired (e.g. it’s often very slow, a disproportionate amount of time seems to be spent dealing with socks of banned/blocked users, good editors get discouraged and leave, etc.).] (]) 13:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::This is an unusually persistent disruptive editor, but I agree with Eurytemora's assessment above. As long as there are admins who are aware of him/her and willing to put up rapid blocks without having to go through a long AN/I process each time he/she resurfaces this problem should be manageable. Let's hope so anyway. ] (]) 16:24, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

==Talk:Charles Harrelson==
Hi. You hid my comment on ]. It wasn't related to the recent additions on the talk page. Can I unhide it, or should I just add it again? -- <font color="#000080">Mufka</font> ] ] ] 19:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hmmm. I'm finding that selective restore and delete is easier said than done. It looks like you just restored everything you tried to hide just by restoring my comment. If it's easier, I can just manually add it back. -- <font color="#000080">Mufka</font> ] ] ] 20:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Reply: Teenage Dream ==

I'm sorry. It is just because the cover of ''One of the Boys'' did not provide the source, too.

:I will add the sources right now. <font face="Segoe UI">] (]∙])</font> 05:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

::I belive Teenage Dream should be moved to the mainspace now. We have enough to verify it's release and enough information on it, including track listing, album art, etc. ] (]) 16:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Apologies, I was not aware that the IP requesting the edit was a banned user. ] (]) 21:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:Good to know; I will keep that in mind going forward. Thanks, ] (]) 21:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== List of best-selling music artists ==

Hello Kevin. I am trying to come to you, to prevent another edit war. BlueSatellite is making a large change to the article, and I disagree. I keep asking him to have a"consensus" first, as I already disagree, but all he does is revert and accuse me of "fancruft" and "fanwars". Please help, because he needs to provide a consensus to change, I don't need one to revert.--] &bull; ] 05:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

::Hello Mr. Admin, I just replace a 2004 article from ] with the 2010 article of the '''same''' newspaper. Do you think it is wrong??? Why an article from seven years ago is more reliable than an article from 2010! ] (]) 05:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm just heading to bed. How about both of you stop editing on the article until morning, and I will look at the situation in about 9 hours?&mdash;](]) 05:22, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:Sure Ill wait, in the meantime we already started a discussion, so maybe you can take a look.--] &bull; ] 12:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

::Looks to me like you used the 9 hours well and are discussing things admirably. As long as no more edit-warring breaks out, I'll leave you to it.&mdash;](]) 14:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

==My life hell==
What an evil and horrible person you are. You have made my life on Misplaced Pages hell! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== ] ==

I did some adjustments after your close of the AFD, and thought it best to explain. A discography isn't supposed to include unreleased material, so pointing an article about an unreleased album there isn't very effective. I removed the improper material from the discography, and then pointed the article names at the appropriate section of the band article.&mdash;](]) 15:05, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:What you've done is fine by me. ] gives a little advice on the subject, though is vague. The notability requirements of a sub-article or list are normally lower than the parent, though I can see the sense of a discography being somewhat more formal and restricted, and there being room in an expansive parent article for speculation on future activities. Thanks for the head's up. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">''']''' *]</span> 17:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Hello ==
Hey, How are you? If you could take a look at it would be great. I would like a consensus as this had been ongoing for weeks. It has basically been an ongoing discussion of people (myself included) arguing to include it or not without any evidence on either account. Since my last comment there have been no responses in four days. Would it be premature to close the discussion? Also, what is your view point on the discussion? (If you have a different view then myself thats fine, as i could be wrong but i dont believe i am :P ) (And thank you for the kind words on =) ) Talk to you soon <font face="Times New Roman" color="#6699CC">]</font>✽<font face="Times New Roman" color="#00DDDD">]</font> 05:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


Please take a look at the decision to collapse the discussion of Hyder, Alaska at WP:Editing policy.&nbsp; I don't find it credible that this is not suitable for discussion from a policy viewpoint, especially in the context of the ongoing identical discussion on the talk page.&nbsp; If you don't think that an un-collapse is appropriate, perhaps you would provide your own insights/viewpoint.&nbsp; Thanks, ] (]) 23:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
:*Yes I too also wanted to to take this opportunity to thank you for your words Kevin. --] (]) 05:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
*Ahh, I see that you have not contributed to Misplaced Pages since my brief edit a week ago at ].&nbsp; Thought I'd let you know that this issue has gone to a noticeboard.&nbsp; ] (]) 05:38, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


== Mariah Carey again == == ] ==
Hello Kww. Since you haven't been around for a while, I've added you to the page linked above due to inactivity. Please remember to remove yourself from the list if you come back. Your efforts will definitely not be forgotten either way. Best regards, ] (] / ]) 02:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


== ]: Voting now open! ==
Hello Kevin, Please look and on my and F6Colturada's talk pages. There is an unresolved issue on the above mentioned page that needs attention. Firstly he reverted my edits 3 times, so he should be blocked for 1 day, secondly he doesn't even respond to the dispute I have with him (possibly because he knows he is wrong) and just reverts. The issue is regarding Carey's voice, please take a look and you will understand. My issue, as I have tried to tell him is not him adding information, just what sources, where and what he removes (sourced info from Billboard). Thanks--] &bull; ] 11:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


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==Petergriffin9901==
Petergriffin9901 has removed various sources from other artists as unreliable, but just look: he has added lately source to Mariah Carey articles and made changes. Do you need more than look to know this should never be used here? This source not only inflate sales but has so many fake informations about certifications, I don't even know where to begin. It seems it's a copy of an article that was deleted from Misplaced Pages some time ago.


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And he has changed many of Carey sales numbers to the highest that can be found on the internet. Despite the fact that many other sources give smaller numbers. As of now, Misplaced Pages has the highest sales numbers for Mariah Carey in history - all thanks to edits by Petergriffin9901. Can you help? ](]) 19:32, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


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::Sorry to but in, but as this user has done it to me, I don't care. The fact is if it was Celine Dion the user would be happy for the sales to be highest. It's just because it's Mariah Carey. I think this should be brought up for discussion so impartial users can decide. ] (]) 19:45, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
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== This is to inform you that an attempt is being made to overturn an RfC that you voted on ==
The source being used states "''This is the "GNU Free Documentation License" reference article from the English Misplaced Pages''", which means it '''''cannot''''' be used as a source: Misplaced Pages mirrors can't be used to source Misplaced Pages articles.&mdash;](]) 20:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


This is to inform you that an attempt is being made to overturn an RfC that you voted on (2 RfCs, actually, one less than six months ago and another a year ago). The new RfC is at:
::I was speaking generally. ] (]) 20:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Controversial sources should always be discussed. In general, I have found Max24's judgment about what sources are reliable and which are not to be relatively sound, but I agree that he isn't perfect. This particular case was blatantly obvious, though. I can't see how anyone could argue in favor of this source.&mdash;](]) 20:43, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


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::I wouldn't personally argue it, but everything is just an argument between those two. My point I'm making is that Max wouldn't argue it if it was making Celine Dion look good, he's very bias. In future, I think other sources (ones that are allowed), should be discussed before he removes them, appropriate? ] (]) 21:16, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I have a hard time seeing Max24 as more biased in favor of Dion than Petergriffin9901 is in favor of Carey. It would be best if everyone involved discussed sources, and spent his time looking for the most ''accurate source''.&mdash;](]) 21:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


Specifically, it asks that "religion = none" be allowed in the infobox.
Firstly, thanks Jay for stating the truth we both have witnessed in the past. Also, I see hhow you try and make things sound Max, instead of telling me something I wasn't aware of when ii placed the source, you try and squeal like I vandalized a page. Shame on you. Secondly I will give you many instances where Max has done the same, as Jay indicates. In ], Max placed source to state sales, a fake ripoff of IMDB, somerthing an editor whos been on Wiki for 3 years would know not to use. Even worse, in ] and ], Max placed this to source certifications foor various countries. Also, since the countries certifiers aren't even known on those countries, he just linked them to the countries Misplaced Pages page. I am sorry Kevin, that you feel that way about mmy edits, but your wrong and not seeing the whole picture. Mmax iis just instigating, if he came and told me this issue himself, and explained it to me, you can be sure wouldn't have readded.--] &bull; ] 02:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


The first RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:
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:First of all everyone needs to chill out! Grab yourself a juice and some cookies and enjoy the weather! It sounds like you are both equally wrong. Max and Peter have both obviously used sources which are not appropriate for wikipedia. And since Peter has recently brough up much discussion about Mariah Carey chart achievements Max has picked holes in Peter's sourcing and so Peter has pointed out that max has done the same in the past. From now I on I suggest that should you wish to change a 'fact' about Mariah Carey it should be posted on the talk page, neutral editors can discuss and then upon their approval it gets added. The fact is that some objectivity is required in matters like this. Lets all be a bit more grown up about this. Less tit-for-tat please! --] (]) 02:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::I do find this whole situation frustrating. I'll repeat my plea above: everyone should spend their time in search of the most accurate sources. "Most accurate" is clearly not the same as "source with the highest numbers", and that applies to all artists. This back-and-forth has been going on for over a year. If the dispute continues, I'll consider topic banning both editors from all Mariah Carey and Celine Dion articles just to get the dispute to stop.&mdash;](]) 03:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


*15 June 2015 RfC: ''']'''.
:::Well imm just ppointing thhis oout Kevin. Max approached me (as I have tried many times) to reconcile with me, and I did. However this obviously proves otherwise. I can swear, if he ppresented this issue to me personallyt, and explained it to me, i would have no doubt stepped aside. It shows hes only instigating and iinterested in wars and issues. This is why I am telling you I am not making problems, he is, name me times when I come out off the blue, trying to get him into trouble? Never!--] &bull; ] 04:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Sorry guys but Kevin is right... if you can't edit either article objectively then perhaps both of you should be banned from editing either article. --] (]) 01:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I can't be banned from editing an article, because some troublesome editor makes problems. None of my edits are malicious or vandalism, in fact they are all sourced (mostly by reliale sources) so I have no poblems. In fact, he shouldn't either be banned from his articles, he does a god job on them (most of the time) and is one of the only editors who maintains her pages. The only issue is hes an instigator amd doesn't recognize peace and teamwork.--] &bull; ] 07:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
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The result of that RfC was "unambiguously in favour of '''omitting the parameter altogether for 'none' "''' and despite the RfC title, additionally found that "There's no obvious reason why this would not apply to historical or fictional characters, '''institutions''' etc.", and that nonreligions listed in the religion entry should be removed when found "'''in any article'''".
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The second RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:
(referring to ]) How is the birthyears of her "non notable siblings" (two brothers, in this case) bad to add? ] is a GA and it also lists her siblings' birthyears. <font color="#fe2c96">★</font><b><font color="#ba6afd">]</font></b><font color="#fe2c96">★</font> 23:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


*31 December 2015 RfC: ''']'''.
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The result of that RfC was that the "'''in all Misplaced Pages articles, without exception''', nonreligions should not be listed in the Religion= parameter of the infobox.".
? I do not know which one of us should be insulted.--] (]) 00:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Besides, there was no such person, see --] (]) 13:15, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
*Apologies for the . I recently switched from my trusted BlackBerry to an iPhone and I apparently haven't yet mastered the touch maneuvering. Interesting link, by the way. --]&nbsp;] 13:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::I do the same thing all the time. Large fingers, even turning it sideways, small "keys".--] (]) 14:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That's why I use my phone for talking and my laptop for computing: fundamentally separate tasks with fundamentally different interface requirements.&mdash;](]) 14:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Here is another . I had not thought of using Google Books.--] (]) 14:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


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The creation of this whole disambiguation page is not correct. The song "She-Wolf" by Megadeth is over ten years old and has thus far never been created as an article so why should the need for disambiguation exist right now? If it has never been created in the last ten years then there is no evidence to suggest that you need to disambiguate between "She-Wolf" by Megadeth and "She Wolf" by Shakira. If anything "She-Wolf" is just a regular song appearing on an album. So why create such a disambigation page and cause a dab for no reason? --] (]) 03:15, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
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From https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10764-018-0063-5 : "Originally expressed in English as “babewyn” (or “baboyn”), it was first applied (fifteenth century) to grotesque statues and decorations (e.g., how gargoyle is used today). In the fifteenth century, the word in English also became associated with monkeys of any origin (Oxford English Dictionary 2018). By the late 1800s, the term was used mainly for members of the tribe Papionini (i.e., large-bodied primates of Asia and Africa); but, in the 1900s, it quickly came to be associated particularly with large-bodied, terrestrial, long-snouted monkeys of Africa. These included members of the genus Papio (standard baboons), members of the genus Theropithecus (geladas, T. gelada), and members of the genus Mandrillus (mandrills, M. sphinx, and drills, M. leucophaeus). The continuation of the historical narrowing of the meaning of the term “baboon” ..." - so that reference is relevant and should not be deleted, methinks?<!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span>
Hi! Well, I archived the page, but when I click the link, it sends me to this edition of the chart, not the previous one. ] (]) 14:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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::Before anything I would like to point out that the most dubious of the three is the one that's actually preserved in the text of the article, from Damian, which only talks about "maimo", i.e. monkey - which is highly unlikely to be a sub-Saharan ape in the 11th century Liguria! Now, the text from the Italian-language reference (from travels to sub-Saharan Africa, and in particular Luanda is mentioned as being near where this supposedly happened) explicitly mentions that the crossing was with "macachi grandi", i.e. large monkeys (as opposed to mediocre and small monkeys, as mentioned/differentiated in one of the the previous sentences). This is as explicit a reference to an ape - either gorilla or chimpanzee - as can be in such an old and non-biological text. Now, I certainly cannot infer it is a chimpanzee but not a gorilla (and the same with the reference from the English text , although, if true, it must be one of these because any other crossing is almost certainly too distant to be possible). But do you really think this therefore justifies purging this information from the article as irrelevant? I'd argue we should collect the highly relevant information - and even on the pedantic side it's possible it was specifically chimpanzee, that's not counterindicated either, and the talk is of possibility, so this is relevant even if more general human-ape hybrids are (pretty strangely!) considered irrelevant to the article.
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I'm backing off his/her talk page, given my comments are simply deleted. However, if you are at all interested in the specifics of what these disputes are, you should look at my deleted contributions. I'm acknowledging FSN has valid concerns and trying to address them - one wording suggestion was a good one, and I implemented it. I'm hoping that after FSN cools off a bit (which will be helped by me not posting any more edits for a bit) s/he will see there's actually merit to this discussion we are having and start to really, substantively engage.
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All that to say, if you're just reading the page itself rather than the history, you'll miss my attempt to actually resolve the ''core'' disagreements. FSN has never articulated some of the specifics of his/her objections, and while there are still issues based on a parsing of the whole body of literature, for specific verbatim stuff there is merit to listening. ] <small>] ] Misplaced Pages's rules:</small>]/] 17:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Though I think FSN and I are both in agreement over the current page being an improvement, you'll probably see a sticking point in (not the infobox, the text). AIDS denialism is already included, both as a link and as prose. However, the second mention in the first paragraph replaces "to question HIV-AIDS causation, despite an overwhelming scientific consensus" with "as well as his activities within the AIDS denialist community". The second phrase is my wording. Though arguably the two are equivalent, I believe "AIDS denialist" is simpler, clearer, and accurately presents, without extra wording, the fact that these activites are denialism. I'm not sure if FSN prefers his/her wording because AIDS denialist is pejorative (which it is, because it is unambiguously considered pseudoscience - making it accurate akin to calling a thief a thief) or simply repetetive. I'm also not sure about the removal of Kalichman's book, but have put up a note on the talk page. FSN has removed Kalichman as "not neutral" in the past replacing Kalichman's scholarly book with a popular science magazine article. That edit also used the term "dissident" (a term understandably prefered by AIDS denialists because it portrays the situation as a realistic disagreement rather than pseudoscience, but in my opinion inarguably incorrect since there is no actual debate). ] <small>] ] Misplaced Pages's rules:</small>]/] 18:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


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BENN JORDAN

This person is not notable, and certainly doesn't need 14 seperate wiki articles on each of his works, none of which are notable or sourced, nor is he. He appears to be a hack bedroom producer that simply uploads his content to illegal file sharing sites. I've nomined him for speedy deletion. Please also assist removing the other 12+ pages he has made himself, apparently.

Nelly Furtado

Nelly Furtado has a portuguese passport, she said it in an interview to The Independent in 6 March 2004 (she was interview by Aoife O'Riordain), but The Independent has erased that interview probably because it was done more than 10 years ago (the interview was located here: http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news_and_advice/story.jsp?story=498282). What you call a fansite is a forum where the interview was "copy pasted". I don't know why you guys are trying so hard to hide the fact that Nelly has portuguese citizenship, but that's a fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blockmaker00 (talkcontribs) 15:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

But I found that source! The Independent (UK) 6 March 2004, Nelly Furtado interview by Aoife O'Riordain. Title of the interview: «My Life in Travel: Nelly Furtado.» Blockmaker00 (talk) 15:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

There was an interview in a portuguese magazine in 11 November 2006 (Revista Única), where the journalist ask: "Do you feel more canadian or portuguese?" And Nelly say: "I have a Canadian and a Portuguese passport, but I feel more Portuguese because of my roots." Check http://nellyfurtado-ninhas.blogspot.pt/2008/02/revista-nica-portugal-2006.html and you will find a photo from the pages and the title "I feel more portuguese". That sentence is mencioned all over the net (google "Nelly furtado" and "passaporte português"). Misplaced Pages should be a place for facts, but that's not the case. Shame on you.Blockmaker00 (talk) 16:09, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, it seems I found AGAIN that Nelly Furtado is Portuguese. In the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCqT2PIsDzo (@01:55 - an interview to a brazilian program), Nelly say: "Sou canadiana, mas portuguesa também. A minha alma e o meu coração são portugueses". Let me translate it for you: "I'm canadian, but also portuguese. My heart and my soul are portuguese." That's a primary source, don't you think? Will you change the article to Portuguese-Canadian or do you want me to do it? Blockmaker00 (talk) 19:18, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

I will need to evaluate the YouTube video later, Blockmaker00: I cannot access YouTube from work.—Kww(talk) 19:35, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
No problem. Take a look at this video too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYGKj3WPhQk. It's an interview to a mexican program. Nelly say @02:30: «Yo me siento hispanica y latina también, porqué yo soy portuguesa». In english: «I feel hispanic and latin also, because I am portuguese». I will continue to look for more videos, but I think we have the evidence we need in these two (Nelly say she is portuguese in 2 different languages). Blockmaker00 (talk) 19:43, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB38fLBZc8I (portuguese program). @02:38 Nelly say: «Descobri a música mais moderna de Portugal. Música que vinha de Lisboa: Pedro Abrunhosa, Santos e Pecadores, Madredeus... Coisas que me faziam sentir orgulhosa de ser portuguesa. Fiquei ainda mais orgulhosa de ser portuguesa.» In english: «I discovered the portuguese modern music. Music from Lisbon: Pedro Abrunhosa, Santos e Pecadores, Madredeus... Things that made me feel proud of being Portuguese. I felt even more proud of being portuguese». Blockmaker00 (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
You don't need to see the other videos. See this one in english: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ezIHQ0pkTE. @01:25, Nelly is asked: «You are not spanish, right?». And then, the answer: «No. I'm actually PORTUGUESE-CANADIAN....» Not a fansite, not a blog: the truth from her own mouth. Blockmaker00 (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I'll have to see a video that isn't a copyright violation, Blockmaker00. None of those are authorised copies.—Kww(talk) 22:18, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't know if I can find one video that isn't a copyright violation. But I will try. At least, now you know the facts: she is portuguese and she said it dozens of times in newspappers, magazines and TV shows. It's really sad to see «is a Canadian singer» in the Wiki page after hearing Nelly say repeatedly she's portuguese-canadian... Blockmaker00 (talk) 22:42, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

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However the case ends, do know that you've definitely had a positive impact on Misplaced Pages overall. Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

List of best-selling music artists

Please can you unprotect that page. You protected it about 3 months ago; there's no indications that it still needs protection now. Thanks. 88.104.25.154 (talk) 20:51, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Actually, that page has been protected for years, and can't seem to survive unprotected. What you see in the log is me moving it back to semi-protected after a brief period of full protection. So, sorry, won't be doing that any time soon.—Kww(talk) 21:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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Selena Gomez's "associated act"

It's for long-term relationships with multiple collaborations. See Template:Infobox musical artist#associated_acts for an expansion, Justasaddream.—Kww(talk) 15:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Kww, I'm really sorry that much of the input at arbitration has favored you losing the mop. Hoping that doesn't happen. Not sure what you'll do if you become desysopped, but I wish you all the best for the future, and definitely don't think you've been as bad of an admin as some users seem to suggest. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Though, thanks for your past five years of your administrative efforts. Eyesnore 02:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to thank you as well for your service as an admin. You definitely have been an overall net positive to the project. Cheers, Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:40, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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Anonpediann

Hi Kww, I think you're aware of Anonpediann although I thought I'd bring him up anyway. He's got a retired sticker on his talk page, yet he's going through talk pages and removing comments like here. I'm surmising that he is removing them because he believes they are his (I note that User:Justasaddream redirects to his user page), but this is obviously disruptive if other people have responded to them. Thoughts? I'm a little confused by this scenario. I think that maybe he was signing comments as Justasaddream even though that account didn't exist? I found a proper name change request from Urjustaghost --> Anonpediann so that one is clear to me. I'm still warming up to my newly "earned" admin tools. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Rewarn, revert, and block if it repeats.—Kww(talk) 16:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Time for a vacation?

When was the last time you were on Bonaire? Atsme 00:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

This spring. Believe me, I'd love to be able to just move back home.—Kww(talk) 00:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
I just got back to the US - was on Bonaire for 10 mos. Wish I had known you were there!! Atsme 01:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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For defending the verifiability policy, even at personal cost. Reyk YO! 15:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
  • He stated in this edit he's not going to be very active anymore, Bishonen. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:29, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I doubt I will be very active from this point on. I've always been frustrated by Arbcom's ability to miss the point of every case set before it, and this case was no different. I view this as an extension of our Eric Corbett problem: once an editor is popular enough, the blowback from a block is hazardous. It was somewhat entertaining watching Arbcom try to distinguish the BLP violations TRM was blocked over from other BLP violations, try to rewrite WP:V and WP:BLP to justify their position, fail to do so, and still find that blocking TRM was so unjustifiable that I required a desysop. An edit filter that allowed an IP to talk about his edits rather than simply blocking him was some nefarious scheme of mine to avoid scrutiny? A failed experiment, certainly, but hardly a nefarious scheme. An edit filter that prevented the addition of completely unsourced tables to awards articles was so problematic as to warrant a desysop? Not in any universe that takes WP:V seriously.—Kww(talk) 21:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I second that. KoshVorlon We are all Kosh 15:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm very sorry about this. You've done a lot for the project, and the bravery I've seen in standing up to malign folk should earn you plaudits, not this. I've long since given up on ArbCom as something necessary for the project I hope you stay. I understand if you do not. In any event you have my great respect and gratitude.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:01, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I also think it's disappointing that you were desysopped and I think it's a shame that you're scaling back your time here. I can't think of a more productive, effective and efficient admin in the music articles than you, Kww; it won't be easy for others to fill in for the work that you've done. Acalamari 13:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
I am shocked and dismayed by this news. Although I am not involved in this dispute, I wish to echo the sentiments of Acalamari and others. I have come to consider you the MAIN MAN when it comes to music articles and have learned much from observing your edits and project activities. One thing that I remember learning from you particularly is that Bubbling Under charts are not true extensions of their parent charts, as songs cannot fall back through the BU positions after the song has been on the parent chart.—Iknow23 (talk) 22:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
I too am very sorry to see that this has happened. I am not as active on Misplaced Pages anymore, so this comes as a huge surprise, as I could not foresee anything like this happening. I say this because our previous experience has shown you to be extremely diligent and effective, with you being able to route out problematic editors of any kind. You will be sorely missed. DARTHBOTTO talkcont 03:04, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

STARKILLERS

Hi, I've made several edits to the music wiki page of starkillers only to have been reverted by a rookie editor. I seek your assistance. This article is full of wiki:puff including talks of funding from (fictional) gangsters, unsubstatiated claims of chartings, an un-notable podcast internet radio show, etc. Its clearly authored by the dj himself as in the ASSOCIATED ACTS section, when you check to edit it, it states 'please don't add associated acts here as starkers is a freelance producer'.

It is a ridiculous promo piece.

Please check it out and revert the page back to my edits.

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Housexpose (talkcontribs) 03:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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This is completely unrelated to anything you've done (if you've even done anything; I don't know) before or after the decision was announced. Basically, several people were confused by remedy #2, so I've filed a request to get Arbcom to clarify what they meant. Nyttend (talk) 02:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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  • Courtesy notification since you have been mentioned on AN. Well, technically you're mentioned on Technophant's talk page which is partially transcluded on AN (long story), but the end result is similar enough that I feel it warrants the usual notification..  · Salvidrim! ·  03:02, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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Mate

If you give up, perhaps we all need to. Thought of losing an admin devoted to verifiable content saddens me. Best wished. Hope all that was needed was a break, not retirement. Cheers. Leprof 7272 (talk) 20:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

The Rambling Man

If you don't want to cause drama and strife, please do not post on The Rambling Man's talk page again. I can't put it simpler than that. Ritchie333 07:03, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

If he doesn't want to to respond, Ritchie333, he shouldn't intentionally ping me while insulting me. I don't know how much simpler than that I can put it.—Kww(talk) 10:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I was going to go to TRM's page and advise him of the same, but he has scrubbed the message off his talk page, which I take to read he wants to forget it about it. Seriously, all that happens when the two of you bang heads is trouble; walk away from it. Ritchie333 10:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I pretty much have walked away: in the conflict between the content-creator cult and those of us that value reliable sourcing, the content-creator cult has won. I remain flabbergasted that an admin that intentionally violated WP:V, WP:BURDEN, WP:BLP, and WP:NPA had such widespread support, but a dissent-free Arbcom decision made it pretty clear that I'm no longer welcome. I only monitor my talk page for the occasional ping that I receive to take care of any issues that I may have left open.—Kww(talk) 16:02, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration clarification request archived

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RE: Counting to 100

I know that, but look at other discography pages. They all have numbers greater than 100 for songs who peaked in "Bubbling Under Hot 100." WikiBrainHead (talk) 14:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Kim Kardashian RfC

You previously gave an opinion about the filmography section at Kim Kardashian. Please see Talk:Kim Kardashian, where a request for comments has been started. 31.54.158.76 (talk) 20:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Has anyone taken the edit requesting of her surname not being used more than once after her occupations as a model and TV personality respectively? It sounds messed up and out of place. The tape made her famous after all.

I know that you retired from adminship, but let someone take the opposite to Kourtney Khloe and Kylie's surnames being repeated after said occupations because using she is repetitive.

Thats all,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 16:47, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Notice: Proposed change to WP:INVOLVED

Discussion is at Misplaced Pages talk:Administrators#Proposed change to WP:INVOLVED --Guy Macon (talk)

Hello

I'm not sure if you remember me (you're probably more familiar with another username, which you can see on my user page), but I'm sorry to hear that you lost your administrative privileges. I only just now found out while keeping up, though I'm not participating, with a discussion regarding possible tool misuse by an administrator. (Do a CTRL + F for your name "Kww." You're mentioned three times.)

Both you and Apparition11 frequently tried to help me when I was in my "stubborn era," and as you can see from my block log, I never really "soaked" all the advice in, so I was out for a while. Amaury (talk) 21:53, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Help with disruptive IP

Hi Kevin. I'm having a problem with an IP at the article The Stone Roses (album). They continue to restore their controversial edit to the article, without responding to content of their changes at the RfC (I opened for them), calling WP:BRD an "irrelevant doctrine" and refusing to leave the article in the condition it was in before their bold edit was made, like BRD states, instead reverting and edit-warring once again. Could you please help restore some order to the article? It appears it is the same who disrupted the article in November of last year when they forced several RfCs at the talk page in an attempt to introduce similarly synthesized material into the article using the same sources. Dan56 (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

No admin tools left here, Dan56.—Kww(talk) 09:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Templates

Hi Kww, I'm sorry to see you won't be around any more – for various reasons, Misplaced Pages has lost quite a number of longstanding excellent editors like yourself over the last 12 months, and that can't be good for the project. Anyway, just a quick question if you are still reading your talk page: are there other editors who will be maintaining the Singlechart and Albumchart templates in your absence? Best wishes for the future. Richard3120 (talk) 21:29, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I keep track of pings and messages. Not as quickly as I used to (depends on how bored I am). No one in specific has taken over the templates I used to maintain, but there are a number of editors that do OK with them.—Kww(talk) 00:35, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Ah thanks, I'll direct my query there then - the German chart website has changed its layout and consequently screwed up all the links that pointed there. Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 01:02, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Help

Hi Kww! I just wanted to ask you for help because in the page "That's the Spirit", at the composition section, backing the genres, there are a lot of sources which reliability is not clear at all. Could you help me to clean up this sources i'm talking you about? Thanks. Anonpediann (talk) 20:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC) Anonpediann (talk) 20:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Tony Penikett

Could you unlock the article had been protected so I can add some details not for vandalism, is for own good? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.199.242.44 (talk) 21:08, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

When you edit this page to reply to me, please read the message that comes up.—Kww(talk) 21:42, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages talk:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP

Hi. Would you be amenable for me removing the protection on this talk page you added back in March? Another IP (unrelated to this one) wants to discuss something, and it's pretty rare that we lock talk pages indefinitely to anyone. PS: I know you don't have the tools anymore, but that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on this. Ritchie333 10:52, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand why anyone chooses to discuss it any more, Ritchie333, but if you want to put up with it, feel free to put up with it.—Kww(talk) 22:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration evidence

Hi Kww

Your section on the evidence page has been moved to the evidence talk page as it does not meet the requirements for inclusion as evidence. This has been undertaken as a clerk action and should not be reverted.

For the Arbitration Comittee. Amortias (T)(C) 12:35, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

User LikeDude23 5SOS page vandalism

Hi,

User LikeDude23 keeps vandalising the 5 Seconds of Summer page, by constantly changing the genres of the band to pop and classing them as a boyband. Their acts have been extremely annoying and as you protected the page, I ask you to do something about the user's constant disruption to the page.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zafire94 (talkcontribs) 22:03, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

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Jdogno5 Socking as Lucifer Morningstar

Hi there. I was on the Lucifer DC comics page and noticed that a user Lucifer Morningstar, is adding information that Jdogno5 previously added to the page that is speculative. Looking at his contributions show that he had been editing pages that Jdogno5 use to and adding the same/similar information, similar grammar and wordage, etc. As you previously blocked Jdogno5, and it is rather blatant that they are the same person, I fighters I should let you know to see if there is socking going on. Sorry to bother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.76.228.45 (talk) 06:44, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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archive.is blocked

happy new year, kww! i tried to add an archive.is link to the ian murdock article as no reference otherwise but a pastebin link confirms that he announced his death. but i get an error that archive.is is not allowed. i read the rfc and i would be annoyed as well by some bot adding links to a users own archive service. but in this case i find it not so practical. i read on the rfc that it is not on the spamlist. can you please detail the exact conditions when archive.is would be allowed and when not? --ThurnerRupert (talk) 22:47, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

That's easy. It's never acceptable under any condition for any reason. If you can't find a reliable source to point at, don't add the information. If you can find a reliable source to point at, feel free to use a reputable archiving service to archive the link.—Kww(talk) 23:52, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes

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Refactoring of your statement at WP:ARC

Hi Kww. The clerks have redacted parts of your statement at WP:ARC. You are welcome to rephrase removed content in a way that is not inflammatory and does not contain personal attacks. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know on my talk page. (Specific actions may or may not have been taken by me personally.) Questions may also be directed to the clerks' noticeboard, the clerks' mailing list (clerks-l@lists.wikimedia.org), or the Arbitration Committee mailing list (arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org). Thanks, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 14:17, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

  • (talk page stalker)- now that's just silly. How is someone supposed to say another editor is being disruptive on purpose if they're not allowed to say "being disruptive on purpose"? I think you clerks are far too overzealous with the redaction. Reyk YO! 14:36, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Beyond silly, but every interaction I've had with TRM has involved Humptydumptyism of one kind or another. He's a well-respected former bureaucrat and long-term administrator, you know, which means that we no longer expect him to be held to the same standards as mortal men, like actually following WP:BURDEN and WP:BLP.—Kww(talk) 15:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
You're welcome, as far as I'm concerned, to discuss this with L235, but you're not welcome to just reinstate it. Drmies (talk) 15:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Tony Penikett

Tony Penikett

Unprotection: Expiration Date. Mo

  • Why don't you responding unprotection of Tony Penikett few days ago?
  • Because anyone that read the edit notice when they made the comment on my page would know that I can't do a damn thing about it, for one. For two, I don't believe that there's any need for anonymous editors to edit articles about living people.—Kww(talk) 23:09, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Your inability to read indicates that no one should unprotect any article that you are interested in. Please go away until you become literate.—Kww(talk) 15:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Unprotection: Expiration. Mo

Let's repeat this: I cannot unprotect the page. It's impossible. Every time you leave me a message, you get a message explaining to you why it's impossible. Since you have failed to explain to anyone at any time exactly why the page should be unprotected, it's quite unlikely that anyone else will do it either. So go find something else to do.—Kww(talk) 18:29, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I'll respond one more time: I cannot unprotect the article. It is not possible. Even if I thought you had good intentions (which I don't) or thought you were competent to edit the article (which I don't), as the message you see every time you leave me a message explains, I am no longer an administrator. Go away now.—Kww(talk) 20:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Our persistent anonymous friend

I've come to the conclusion that it's no longer worthwhile to even engage "Mo" at all anymore. As of now, if I see any further "unprotect" requests from them on Talk:Tony Penikett or my own talk page, all I'm going to do is hit the revert button and walk away. You might want to consider that option as well, even if just as a sanity-preservation tactic. Bearcat (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You

The Barnstar of Diligence
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About user 42.60.241.232

Hello, I noticed that you gave warnings to User talk:42.60.241.232 because their disruptive editing on VIXX, they seem to be at it again concerning what they think is unnecessary by removing it but that information has ALWAYS been on the page. Is there someway we can block this person from editing please? Alicia leo86 (talk) 10:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Deletion review for UFC 157

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Croatian Airplay Chart

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Collect essay; second bite at the cherry

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Re: Grits

Re your message: I didn't notice the past history. I set the semi-protection. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 03:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart

Kww, can I request you to just per glance this discussion I initiated at Ericorbit's page here? —IB 12:59, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Editing policy collapsed discussion

Hi,

Please take a look at the decision to collapse the discussion of Hyder, Alaska at WP:Editing policy.  I don't find it credible that this is not suitable for discussion from a policy viewpoint, especially in the context of the ongoing identical discussion on the talk page.  If you don't think that an un-collapse is appropriate, perhaps you would provide your own insights/viewpoint.  Thanks, Unscintillating (talk) 23:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

WP:Missing Wikipedians

Hello Kww. Since you haven't been around for a while, I've added you to the page linked above due to inactivity. Please remember to remove yourself from the list if you come back. Your efforts will definitely not be forgotten either way. Best regards, Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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This is to inform you that an attempt is being made to overturn an RfC that you voted on (2 RfCs, actually, one less than six months ago and another a year ago). The new RfC is at:

Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Allow private schools to be characterized as non-affiliated as well as religious, in infobox?

Specifically, it asks that "religion = none" be allowed in the infobox.

The first RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:

The result of that RfC was "unambiguously in favour of omitting the parameter altogether for 'none' " and despite the RfC title, additionally found that "There's no obvious reason why this would not apply to historical or fictional characters, institutions etc.", and that nonreligions listed in the religion entry should be removed when found "in any article".

The second RfC that this new RfC is trying to overturn is:

The result of that RfC was that the "in all Misplaced Pages articles, without exception, nonreligions should not be listed in the Religion= parameter of the infobox.".

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Edit warring on Missy Elliott awards page

There is an edit war occurring that has been going on for the past few months now. And there seems to be no resolution. Inaccurate information keeps being embedded alongside improper grammar and lack of reliable, accurate sources. May you or another contributor of your power weigh in on the issue and reel in the users for the article's talk page? ChocoLantern88 (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, ChocoLantern88, but I lost my adminship as punishment for my efforts to keep unsourced articles like that in check. I can't recommend any procedure that will work and not have you disciplined as a result. I found that giving up helped my attitude immensely.—Kww(talk) 02:00, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Terribly sorry to hear Kww, you were definitely a go-getter when it came to make sure that articles would not be congested with poorly misconstrued content and always set an end goal to ensure that the article lived up to a neutral tone in accordance to Misplaced Pages guidelines. Thank you greatly for responding. ChocoLantern88 (talk) 02:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hoping you have a happy and successful 2018, and remember: "Illegitimi non carborundum". Reyk YO! 09:55, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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Relax (song)

Hi. Can you reduce the protection from Relax (song) to pending changes? There have been a few requests to make edits and Charlie is inactive (as far as I know). Thanks. (CC) Tbhotch 21:28, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

That edit notice you saw when you left this comment wasn't kidding, Tbhotch. They stripped me of adminstrative rights over five years ago for blocking an administrator that insisted on forcing unsourced material into articles.—Kww(talk) 04:44, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Oh sorry. I didn't read it and I didn't know about it. (CC) Tbhotch 04:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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Meaning of "baboon" in a 17th century text

From https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10764-018-0063-5 : "Originally expressed in English as “babewyn” (or “baboyn”), it was first applied (fifteenth century) to grotesque statues and decorations (e.g., how gargoyle is used today). In the fifteenth century, the word in English also became associated with monkeys of any origin (Oxford English Dictionary 2018). By the late 1800s, the term was used mainly for members of the tribe Papionini (i.e., large-bodied primates of Asia and Africa); but, in the 1900s, it quickly came to be associated particularly with large-bodied, terrestrial, long-snouted monkeys of Africa. These included members of the genus Papio (standard baboons), members of the genus Theropithecus (geladas, T. gelada), and members of the genus Mandrillus (mandrills, M. sphinx, and drills, M. leucophaeus). The continuation of the historical narrowing of the meaning of the term “baboon” ..." - so that reference is relevant and should not be deleted, methinks?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Strecosaurus (talkcontribs)

User:Strecosaurus: there's no evidence that your citation is about a chimpanzee, then, so no, it should not be restored. What did they use in your Italian reference, and how do you know that it specifically refers to a chimpanzee and not some other ape?—Kww(talk) 05:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Before anything I would like to point out that the most dubious of the three is the one that's actually preserved in the text of the article, from Damian, which only talks about "maimo", i.e. monkey - which is highly unlikely to be a sub-Saharan ape in the 11th century Liguria! Now, the text from the Italian-language reference (from travels to sub-Saharan Africa, and in particular Luanda is mentioned as being near where this supposedly happened) explicitly mentions that the crossing was with "macachi grandi", i.e. large monkeys (as opposed to mediocre and small monkeys, as mentioned/differentiated in one of the the previous sentences). This is as explicit a reference to an ape - either gorilla or chimpanzee - as can be in such an old and non-biological text. Now, I certainly cannot infer it is a chimpanzee but not a gorilla (and the same with the reference from the English text , although, if true, it must be one of these because any other crossing is almost certainly too distant to be possible). But do you really think this therefore justifies purging this information from the article as irrelevant? I'd argue we should collect the highly relevant information - and even on the pedantic side it's possible it was specifically chimpanzee, that's not counterindicated either, and the talk is of possibility, so this is relevant even if more general human-ape hybrids are (pretty strangely!) considered irrelevant to the article.
So what I'm saying is, if an explicit reference to chimpanzee and not say even bonobo is necessary period, then most certainly the reference to Damian should be removed, too.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Strecosaurus (talkcontribs)
I'd prefer removing the older reference. If you want to write an article about ape-human hybrids, I'd have no objection. By the way, if you would end your comments with ~~~~, you'd be signing them.—Kww(talk) 14:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

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