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I notice you posted on the relevant ANI thread and as an experienced user I thought I'd ask you what you think it's best to do about the RfC/U I started on this user. My current plan is to leave it up for the normal 48 hours in case they make a very quick return. After that it will either be deleted if uncertified (if it isn't I'll ask for it to be) or very quickly archived. If the user comes back I can always ask for an undeletion or re-start the RfC/U. Does this seem fair and sensible to you? ] (]) 13:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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:Yes, but that said I'd be very surprised if this retirement is permanent. I think this RfC probably needs to happen. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:24, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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::I'd also be surprised if it's permanent but an RfC/U is useless without participation from the user involved so I'll wait and see if they come back. Off away for the weekend but will look at things again on my return Sunday evening. ] (]) 18:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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I'm currently working through putting these articles back to the original titles which correspond to ] regarding disambiguation and capitalisation, but admin tools are needed to move ] to ] - would you mind moving it if you get time? Many thanks! ] (]) 17:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:Sure, but let me clarify first: you want it moved to ] rather than ], whence it came? --] <sup>]</sup> 17:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, a disambiguation page has been created at ], which I think is probably required, so ] would be best. Many thanks! ] (]) 17:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


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Hi Moonriddengirl. I've sent an email to OTRS (commons) about http://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Maggie_Roswell.jpg and http://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Maggie_Roswell_and_Hal_Rayle_2010.jpg. ] has checked the email and told me on IRC that everything looks good, but he is too busy to update the description pages of the images. Do you think you could take a look at the email (the title is "Images of Maggie Roswell")? This is the first time I've requested copyrighted content from someone so I want to make sure everything has been done correctly. Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup> 17:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Sure thing. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 18:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::Well. :/ There's a couple of issues. She doesn't state that she owns the copyright of these images; we're supposed to seek clarification of that from people who permit images of themselves (since copyright is owned by the photographer, usually). And she's only joking, I'm sure, but her bit about te moustaches imposes additional restrictions. (], for talk page stalkers.) Do you want me to take the ticket and ask her to formally verify the license and her copyright ownership? --] <sup>]</sup> 18:26, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. If she states that she isn't the copyright owner of those photos, can you ask her to provided another photo that she is the owner of? (Note: It may take her a few days to respond to your email). ] <sup>]</sup> 18:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::::You bet! --] <sup>]</sup> 18:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thanks a lot. Let me know what happens. :) ] <sup>]</sup> 19:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::I have CC'ed you in my letter to her. I will certainly keep you informed. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 19:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That's great! Thank you. By the way, I just noticed that yesterday, it had been exactly a year since my first edit to SCV and the first time we talked. Time just flies by, huh? :-) ] <sup>]</sup> 20:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, I feel like I've known you forever! Happy anniversary. :D --] <sup>]</sup> 20:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
New emails have been sent. Can you check? :) ] <sup>]</sup> 07:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:Have checked. I found hers, but not his. Can you poke at me once in a while to recheck? As you know, things get busy. :) If he doesn't use the same ticket# (which I failed to mention to her!) it'll go into the general queue. --] <sup>]</sup> 14:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
::Can you do a quick check again? :) ] <sup>]</sup> 17:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Sure! I did a system search for her name, and all I found was our existing thread. Searching for his doesn't find anything, I'm afraid except that same thread. I did a visual scan of the Commons permission queue from the 12th forward but didn't find anything. He evidently hasn't sent it yet, or if he has it's gone astray. --] <sup>]</sup> 17:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh well. Thanks for checking. Let's wait a few days and if nothing happens, we'll contact Maggie again. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


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Hi Moonriddengirl, may I ask you for your opinion on ]? An IP started tinkering with a whole section, putting in spammy links and later there was an alleged claim that all the content had been copyrighted elsewhere. I'm at a loss as I can't verify the (c) claims and I'm tempted to restore the article. ] (]) 20:04, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. I'll be happy to come take a look at it. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 20:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::I see that the content was removed by ], who is an ] volunteer. Although I didn't find it, there may be an e-mail about it in the Wikimedia Foundation's sytem. Let me see if I can figure out what's going on. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the effort so far :) ] (]) 20:14, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::::No problem. I've asked Daniel for more information and will let you know what I find out. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Btw, it seems like we've now got an SPA on that matter, see the recent article talk. I'm watching that page anyway and have also left a note at ]'s talk page so let's wait how that turns out. ] (]) 17:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, I'm glad you mentioned something. I had forgotten all about this. Daniel has only edited twice since I approached him, but has not responded to my question. I've "pinged" him again. Please poke me again if a couple of days go by with no action. I've generally got a lot of copyright work on my plate, and I can be woefully distractible. :/ If he doesn't respond to that note, I'll try e-mailing him. --] <sup>]</sup> 17:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
{{unindent}} Okay, Daniel confirms that the action was taken in response to an e-mail (I've logged the ticket number at the talk page). I'm evaluating now to see the likelihood of actual infringement in the . <s>Significant edits that added content found in the version removed include:
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Oh, but the killing blow for us is . It may not be true that every word was copied, but the content in ''that'' edit certainly is. There is older material, though, that can be restored, from . Some of the content added later by other contributors may also be okay, but you'd have to be careful that it doesn't build on Doug Adams' writing, as incorporated wholesale. (I was leaning towards thinking this is a frivolous complaint; no longer. :/) --] <sup>]</sup> 13:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


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:Ouch, that's in fact a pretty mess, and the IP even stated it openly... I'm going to restore the version prior to the copyvio then and leave it like that. Thanks a lot for investigating, MRG. ] (]) 18:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


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First I think I need to be part of the OTRS team otherwise I am going to be coming here a lot now. I was checking out some "in need of attention" and the first few I clicked on have been tagged for years with no number. I just dealt with some of them myself as they were fairly easy but having said that: ] is a screen grab of a web site. Normally a copyvio but could fall under Fair use. However in this case we have a notice that says an OTRS has been submitted and, supposedly, it says "Authorisation has been explicitly given by PledgeMusic for its use within Misplaced Pages" which, if that is the case, means it needs to be speedied. However the fact that it also states "Image is fair use as it is provided for commentary within wikipedia article" add a little twist on it. Just as an aside, as you may know the whole "for wikipedia use only" concept vs the "just slap a fur on it" idea has bothered me for a long time. I have been vocal about the fact the foundation set solid rules down about images marked as "for Misplaced Pages use only" must be "deleted on site" so I do not agree with the more common un-official add on "...unless an editor tags it with a FUR". This image is almost thought out that way, if you follow me. So I am not sure how to tag this one if, indeed, the OTRS says "Misplaced Pages use only".


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Following that up with another OTRS in waiting image. ] is an image of the late Selena backstage in the press room at the Grammy awards. What I am wondering about with this one is the statement "Photo taken at the 1994 Grammy Awards at Radio City Music Hall, New York on June 11, 1994, by the mother of user:AJon1992, who agrees to release it under the terms of the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license and the GFDL". As a photographer who has shot the Grammys before I know that access to the press area is very limited, they don't let fans hang out back there. Before anyone feels I am assuming bad faith I say this because ] contains a discussion where the editor explains his mother and grandmother were Selena fans and his "grandmother used to live in Corpus Christi, Texas and began attending her concerts and taking pictures" and that between 1992, when the editor was born, and when Selena died in 1995 they watched TV, read news papers and "kept playing her songs while they clean, or on the radio." After moving to Florida the user says his grandmother and mother gave him "their collections (pictures, signatures, vhs tapes, etc)." So as with another recent OTRS case I suspect this image is not one taken by the mother, but by a member of the media, a print of which was obtained by the mother, clearly a huge fan, and became part of her Selena "collection".


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Than we have ] which was upped March 22, tagged the same day with <nowiki>{{di-no license}}</nowiki> and the uploader removed that tag and added an <nowiki>{{OTRS Pending}}</nowiki> tag the next day. Nothing has changed since.


How hard is it to get OTRS ability? Thanks ] (]) 16:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC) <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">] (]) 19:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC) </bdi>
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:Okay, #3 was a tip of the ice berg. I've tagged it and all of his other image uploads with NPD. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:56, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:So, #2 is pretty unlikely. Several other images uploaded by this contributor recently exist elsewhere on the web. I have some doubts about ], given the watermark and the low resolution. Does it look like he took it himself? --] <sup>]</sup> 17:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:And with #1, I find nothing in OTRS. I find the search function wonky, though, so that doesn't prove it isn't there. If the OTRS said "Misplaced Pages use only", I ''hope'' the OTRS agent would have rejected it. :)


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::Thanks for this. Just to touch on one image you asked about - ] is from ebay, that is what the watermark is in the corner, so it is possible he took the picture or it is possible his mother of grandmother took the picture "from" ebay when/if they purchased the perfume when someone was selling it. My thought might be to ask for the original image before it was posted on ebay - or to take a new image of the perfume if they/he still has it.


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::Now an add on to check. This is an image i took care of myself but as it has been questioned I thought I would have you look into one element of it. In my "in need of" search I came across ] which has an OTRS tag on the talk page. From what I can tell the image was sent to ] in January 2010 because ''Image not necessary to understand article, and no sources indicate the significance of the image itself.'' At the time the result was a "keep" however after that a free image was uploaded - ]. I Based on the discussions it seems like there was not any OTRS ever submitted and the tag was placed to prevent the image from being deleted. I removed the non-free image from the ] article in the section it was being used in and tagged the image for deletion. The uploader posted on ] and also on the ] and I replied on both pages. There is no mention by the uploader of the OTRS tag he had placed on the image and he says, on my talk page, that the photographer "cannot be located to comment on possible copyright problems". So just to be 100% - can you check oTRS to see if anything is there on ]. Thanks. ] (])
← Just touching base to see if you uncovered anything about the image. ] (]) 16:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. I missed this. :) Let me take a look. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I did a system search for every ticket created between 2/25/2010 and 3/19/2010 that include the word "Jim" and didn't find it. I looked at every ticket created within the last year that included the words "Jim Morrison", and I didn't find it. I did a complete system search for the text "Jim in Miami" and found nothing, and I found nothing by searching for the url (<http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Jim_In_Miami_w-Hat.jpg>). I've got nothing for "David E. Levine". I don't see a single scrap of evidence that OTRS ever received an e-mail about that image from anyone. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


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:::::LOL! More than once I've noticed a thread at somebody else's talk page where I've chosen to take action. Last time concerned a sock that an admin felt he could not block; I could. I suspect something of the sort. :D --] <sup>]</sup> 20:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


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Raised at ]. I know my motives are not the purest, due to our long-standing conflicts, so will try to compensate by working on other unrelated copyvio problems. ] (]) 21:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:I replied . I don't think it is very difficult, because over the past few years as I got interested in copyvios, I tried to ensure that my old edits from the time I didn't fully understand the policy have been rewritten. A few sentences somewhere may still be problematic... if anything comes up, do let me know and I'll be more than happy to rewrite anything that's needed.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 22:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm. This is always tricky. Regardless of prior conflicts, I think we'd all agree that the most important thing here is just to make sure that there are no remaining copyright problems. I know Piotrus is quite conscious of copyright concerns now, given that he has himself pointed out to me a good many issues, but if there may have been issues in the past it's worth looking to see how extensive an issue it may be. Here's what I propose: at this point, for my own uses, I'll run the CCI program and narrow it down to the time-range that is likely to have been the issue. I'll randomly select some articles for evaluation. If I find further concerns, it may be a good idea to formalize the procedure.


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::If it comes to that, Piotrus, our practice in the case of people operating under real names is to list them by date opened, and they are not indexed. You would be quite welcome to help out with any issues, including helping to locate them. As soon as the evaluation is complete (again, if it comes to that), it is courtesy blanked and archived. Low drama is a major goal of mine. --] <sup>]</sup> 13:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
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::::Oh, the divine Miss M. You are the soul of tact. Piotr, I see you've been addressing these, thanks. ] (]) 23:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Update: I've got a list of articles in my sandbox. I would like another CCI evaluator to help me look over these and am looking into finding one with time. I mean to get started on this today after finishing CP and working a bit on an essay I've promised to MILHIST. --] <sup>]</sup> 14:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

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Hi there...I wonder if you can advise me a bit about a copyright issue; I was concerned about copyright troubles by an editor, so I looked at all the things they'd created and compiled a list - however, I didn't want to be 'bitey' so I just asked them about a couple of specific ones, and also fixed what I could. The user did add attribution on a couple of the copypasted articles.

Yesterday I asked about ] on ], and they did indeed edit it (and wrote fixed) but I don't really think that constitutes appropriate paraphrasing. I've been trying to 'gently' ask them to look at their contribs and fix things. I wonder if you can help at all; I'd be very grateful. Best, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 22:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:That's a difficult situation. :/ First, thank you for noticing it and getting on top of it so quickly. Particularly with unattributed splits, later cleanup can be a massive headache. Give me a minute to look into it a bit, and I'll see if I can help come up with a good approach here. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

::Okay, a quick glance tells me that there may be older issues that will also need addressing. For instance, : translated from ''what''? Presumably another language Wiki, but that needs attribution. ] is an unattributed copy of ] (and a split of questionable value, really). to ] reproduces without attribution content from and . uses unattributed content from . was obviously pasted from somewhere given the tell-tale "Cite error: Invalid <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tag"--and if it wasn't, it's a copyvio of , which predates (but it was; that site also has a tell-tale sign of Misplaced Pages copying: a ref that doesn't go anywhere. :)). So, there seems to be more clean-up work to be done. Let me take a look at his or her talk page to see what conversations you've held about it. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::Is the only conversation you've had, or have you spoken elsewhere? It'd be good to figure that out, since it seems that we need to talk to this contributor about proper attribution for Misplaced Pages copying, ask him or her to properly attribute the content he or she has previously copied, and talk about close paraphrasing. I want to be sure, though, that the approach is optimized based on any prior conversations you've had. --] <sup>]</sup> 13:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::(Note to me: contrib list placed ].) --] <sup>]</sup> 13:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

:::That diff is the only discussion on-wiki specifically regarding copyright concerns; previously, when I investigated things and fixed the histmerge, I spoke to the user over IRC, asking them to check their other edits for any similar problems. As IRC != Misplaced Pages, we may as well disregard that, and take the facts as they stand; I asked for your input chiefly because I am unsure how to ensure the user understands the importance here - admittedly, my concern about the difficulties is based on off-wiki activity (in the help channel). I didn't want to make a big fuss, but on the other hand, I think it is a problem that needs addressing...hence my request for help. They responded to my request re. the GoogleForDoodle with that edit, and they wrote 'done', and - as with their previous notations regarding the origins of article text, it would appear that the matter is not resolved. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 09:23, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Just to note: I see this and will come back and work on it more in realistically a half an hour or so. I've got a new mess that dropped on my lap this morning. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 13:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::(sigh), well that took more than a half an hour. I don't even want to think how much of my life I wasted on that. :P Okay, so, we need a primer here on the use of non-free text and on attributing splits. Will do. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:11, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::All right. I have left ] a note. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::OK, thanks, I do appreciate it. I also get extremely frustrated spending time on things like this. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 20:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::No problem.:) The note to ] was pretty easy for me. I do this stuff so much I could talk about it in my sleep (and probably do :D)). Way less frustrating for me than trying to figure out the original of a sockpuppet! --] <sup>]</sup> 20:34, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, yes, absolutely; recently, I spent ''many'' hours fixing up the disruptions caused by two people incorrectly declining 'articles for creation', only to eventually find out they were the same person. It's frustrating, to say the least; mostly seems to be younger people who treat Misplaced Pages like a game; it wastes an inordinate amount of time dealing with them, and they rarely add any useful content. So when I spend hours on such things, I get a bit frustrated, because I know that in the same time I could've actually written a half-decent new article. <s>But these people do not go away; they want to 'level up' and become administrators, etc</s> struck; I now realise that if I continue, I will only start to rant, and won't say anything you do not already know. So, well...such is life. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 20:43, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

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:Well, thank you very much! It's my pleasure to help out when I can, and you are always welcome. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 12:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::To be honest I couldn't find one that showed how much your are apreciated and what it is you do for me and everyone else. That said, you're welcome. I really do like knowing that if I need help I know where I am welcomed to come to ask for it. :) Be well, --]] 13:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Copyright question ==

Is it okay to upload photographs of an ancient tomb since the tomb is obviously in the public domain?] (]) 01:58, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:It would be so nice if we could, but, unfortunately, I think not. Images are not my primary area, but, while under US copyright law there is no copyright protection in mechanical duplication of public domain works, photography is creative in itself. Think of it, perhaps, in the same vein as a nature photographer who captures a naturally growing grove of trees. No copyright protection in the subject, but the photograph is copyrighted nevertheless, even if the photographer is not very good and there's minimal creativity in the photo. :) (Note, though, that the situation is different with faithful reproductions of two-dimensional works of art; see ].) --] <sup>]</sup> 12:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

::Kk, thank you. :)] (]) 21:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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== Talkback ==

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== Thoughts? ==

Hello MRG, there's a troublesome one on my hand right now, mind taking a look ] and ]? Many thanks. --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 17:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:As you can see, I have done. :) At this point, the ball is in his court. He's been notified of guidelines on creating autobiographies. If he persists in creating the autobiography without showing of notability, further action may be appropriate. --] <sup>]</sup> 17:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::*Thanks, a few days back On ] I've notified him of all those you've mentioned just now but today he probably was thinking of how to circumvent the WP policy and guideline laid before him not knowing that we've dealt with more of his kind here than he can imagined. Tough luck for those wanting to get free web hosting when they turn up on WP, they usually get blocked in the end for showing their repeated unwillingness to comply despite being told not to. Oh well... trust people to believe in free lunch in this world, eh? Cheers~! --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 18:21, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Copyright problems/2010 August 9 ==

Hi again. You've checked my entry there for ] as resolved but I think you misunderstood my posting to the noticeboard. There has never been a copyright infringement claim on the article page but instead I wanted to point out that this book club thingy is apparently making money with content from WP, not only that one article but they seem to offer loads of books. Of course they don't charge their customers for Misplaced Pages but for wrapping our GFDL and CC texts into nice booklets. I guess there's not a lot one can do about that but I thought the Foundation might be interested in it. And it might not even be the first such case. ] (]) 17:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:Ah, I did indeed misunderstand. It's not the first case; there are tons. Misplaced Pages actually encourages reuse of its content (even commercially): see ]. If they did not give proper credit, the content contributors could protest in accordance with the non-compliance processes at ], but it seems like they probably do: . --] <sup>]</sup> 17:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::Alright then, good to know about that. *approves green hook* ] (]) 17:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Good to go, then. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 17:33, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Here we go again... ==

Take a look at ], seems like we have a lot of misguided peeps joining WP just to have their own autobiography but only to find themselves flounder in the very hole they've dug, by not being familiar with Misplaced Pages's editing guideline, policy and rule. Note also the number of image files in question. --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 19:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:*Disregard the above, someone beat you to commons. *grin* --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::Darn. Missed it while I was away. :D --] <sup>]</sup> 00:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Just wondering... ==

How do I put the Ed Fox page back up? I'm working on a second Taschen book and would like to have that all squared away.

Instead of deleting my page, why didn't you try to help me by fixing or adding to it? I don't want to have to go around in circles reading page after page only to be more confused, as Wiki rules seem to be (at least to me anyway)

I am owner/creator of edfox.com/footfactory.com and chromelady.com

Thanks! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Hi. Unfortunately, we don't really have the manpower to repair every article that does not meet our policies and guidelines. In the case of an article such as ], fixing it isn't a simple matter of adding content; when material is copied from other pages, we ''must'' verify that the content is not in violation of copyright. This is the responsibility of the contributor who places the content. In this case, the user who noted the problem gave notice to that contributor ] and listed the article for the requisite week. When no verification was forthcoming, the article was deleted per policy.

:Copyright problems with the page can be eradicated by following the procedures at ]. If there are other issues with the page, these may remain to be addressed once the content is restored. Generally, providing ] to ] that the subject meets ] is a very good idea. I note that prior to its deletion the article seems to have relied primarily on sources related to the subject himself, which are insufficient to verify that it meets those guidelines.

:If you have questions about the donation process, please let me know. --] <sup>]</sup> 00:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== cut and past moves ==

There is a user who in the past made a number of cut and past moves. I think this was due to ignorance not malignancy (I'm spending too much time on English Civil War articles as I am staring to use the patter!) His user name is ] and I have just slapped him on the wrist because I came across one of his cut and past moves more than a month after he was told not to do it, which means he has not cleaned up after himself. His posting to my talk page shows that his English is not the best, and his edit history shows that he is using the move tab now.

What I wanted to know is is do you know of a tool that I can use to see where he has made these cut an past moves by listing of his edits with edit sizes (large deletes followed by large inserts should be fairly easy to see). Just article creations will not be enough because he is an active editor (and may well have been creating articles) and many such cut an past moves are likely to be onto redirects. Thinking about it he probably needs to be informed about copying stuff from the French Wikipeda into the English Misplaced Pages as well...-- ] (]) 00:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. I do indeed know a tool that will allow us to list his contributions by edit size. ] made it for our copyright cleanup work, and it is an absolutely lovely tool. You can access it at ], or, if you'd like, I'll run it. From its early days, it's gotten very simple to use. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 00:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'll have a go myself and if I get confused or after running it needs a more formal approach I'll come back to you. -- ] (]) 00:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I have now completed the task I set myself see ] and by looking at the last page of the took I was able to pick on some obvious ones. A list of some previous violations were also produced by another editor which I looked through. They clearly show bad faith by LouisPhilippeCharles. Most of them had already been corrected, but the last one I looked at is troubling because it shows that this problem goes much further back and involves the use of an older account used by the same editor. Since this issue of cut and past copying has been raised several times by different editors with LouisPhilippeCharles, and to date he has not stopped, or volunteer to clean up his mess, I think he may need to be formally investigated. When you have time please take a look at ] to see what troubles me. I will leave it to your better judgement to decide if this editor needs to be investigated further as it could be argued that by putting a note on his edits that he has copied the text from another page that no internal copyright violation has taken place, even though due to subsequent page moves it is often difficult to piece the article histories back together. -- ] (]) 01:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:First, I support you in your stated intention to block him if he persists and in fact I would support blocking him if he does not help to clean up the mess he's already made. This ''is'' a copyright problem, even if it is one that can be repaired. He must stop, and if he does not, we have to presume either willful disruption or competence issues...both of which are bad for the project. When you ran him through the CCI program, roughly how many edits did you come up with? If this can be handled without a ], it would be better, as the backlog there is already substantial. If it's needed, though, we don't really have much choice. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I fixed some obvious ones by going to the bottom of the generated list and looking for large deletes (14 of them as listed on his talk page). But I suspect I have not found all of them. Also I did not look at the user name ]. I have just run the tool on ]. The first two in the list look OK (one was probably a cut and past move but it was fixed at the time -- I did not look at it closely as it had been fixed so it may have been kosher) but the third entry is the result of a cut and past move that has not been fixed. The history of the article is now split over two articles ] (since a cut and past move) and ], so as that was only the third in the list there is probably a lot more mess to be cleaned up (under both user names). :-(

Therefore I would suggest that a formal investigation is opened because since I started looking at this users peccadillos he has not offered to helped in any way to clear up his mess. -- ] (]) 07:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Adish Aggarwala ==

Hi Moonriddengirl! Thanks for your prompt action in response to my copyvio notice. However, I suspect that I may have led you to block an innocent user. Looking through the article's history, the current copyvio occurred and was perpetrated by an IP editor with a dynamic IP address (see preceding article history) the day after NeoNeo1087's last edits (10-11 Jan 2010). A checkuser may confirm that NeoNeo1087's contribs come from the same IP address block, but that's hardly conclusive. The most damning edit by Neo1087 is in which two paragraphs are copied, but with a citation to the source added. Please could you review the evidence and reconsider the block? Many thanks -- ] (]) 13:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. :) I believe that the block is appropriate. Before imposing it, I checked the history of the article and found content introduced that is clearly copied from that site. That occurred on 10 January. The user had been advised in August 2009 about the need to verify permission and the potential for a block and again told about the concerns twice in August. In January, he created the article ], deleted via ], without any showing of permission as well as adding this content. I think that the risk of recurrence is significant enough in the face of these factors to warrant some assurance that he understands and will comply with policy. --] <sup>]</sup> 13:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
OK, that seems like a good decision based on a more wide-ranging review than I'd made of the user's history. My conscience rest a little easier. Thanks :) -- ] (]) 13:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:No problem, and I understand. :) If he were a more frequent contributor, we could try talking to him about it, but when he logs in once every six months or so it's a bit harder. The block is a just a way of saying, "Hey, we really mean it; you have to follow process." Typically, a contributor like this will be unblocked as soon as he requests it, as long as he notes his intention of complying. --] <sup>]</sup> 14:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Ping ==

I'm not sure if this would automatically show up in your OTRS messages or not, so I thought I should let you know that I just merged some new emails into ] since they weren't automatically connected. ] (]) 13:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, thanks. I've not looked at OTRS yet this morning, so I'm not sure if they did or not. I've been trying to knock some off at the Banglapedia CCI and now get through CP. (Speaking of, should have known the DuPont article would come back to bite me eventually. :D) --] <sup>]</sup> 13:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Lighthouse of Houston/ Please advise. ==

Hi Moonriddengirl,
Thank you so much for reviewing the Lighthouse of Houston site I put together. I actually posted this entry with the permission of the Lighthouse of Houston President. We respectfully request that you please reactivate the Lighthouse of Houston Misplaced Pages entry. Lighthouse supporters would very much like to have a presence on Misplaced Pages, as I know so many other Lighthouse sites in the US can be found on here. I would be more than happy to put you directly in touch with the Lighthouse of Houston President. Can you please advise me on the best way to move forward?
Again, thank you! I am watchlisting this post and look forward to your response.
DoubleDimond ] (]) 16:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:Hi. Thank you for contacting me about your concerns. The primarily problem is that the website does not use a license that is compatible with Misplaced Pages's. It is fully reserved: "Copyright 2007, The Lighthouse of Houston. All Rights Reserved." In accordance with our ], we can only import content compatible with ]. Under some circumstances, it must also be compatible with ] license. Both of these licenses permit modification and reuse elsewhere, even commercially, with proper attribution and both forbid reusers to try to impose new copyright over derivatives of the work.

:The simplest way to resolve this is to ask the webmaster to change the copyright statement at the website. We recommend a statement such as the following:
::The text of this website is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the and the (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts).
:If this text is added, let me know, and I can restore the article and note the release. (Please do note, however, that we can't guarantee that content will remain on Misplaced Pages; if there are other issues, the community may change or even delete the article in accordance with policies and guidelines, an overview of which can be found at ].)

:If you would prefer not to release the content at the website, you can communicate your release privately to the Wikimedia Foundation via e-mail, so long as you contact us through an e-mail address that can be clearly connected to the cite. The procedure for doing this is at ]. We strongly recommend that you use the language at ] for your release. Frequently, we must go through several rounds of e-mail before all aspects are covered, and that release form takes care of most issues we encounter.

:If you decide to release the content through e-mail, you can typically expect a response within a week or so. If your release is sufficient, the article should then be restored. If you don't want to wait the week, I can look for the e-mail to see if I can expedite the matter if you tell me once it's been sent. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I think we will start with an email from the President (with the recommended language) to the above address. If it is OK, as suggested above, I will let you know when I send it. Thank you again!!!!] (]) 19:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:Most certainly. :) I'll keep an eye out for your note so we can resolve this as swiftly as possible. --] <sup>]</sup> 19:17, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi...one more quick question. I am helping the Lighthouse fill out the form to submit and just would like to please know the URL that I should submit to them. I'm assuming I submit the URL to the page you removed? If so, can you please provide me with this? I cannot find it anywhere now. Thank you!] (]) 19:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, that's it. The URL where the content can currently be found is http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=The_Lighthouse_of_Houston&action=edit&redlink=1. --] <sup>]</sup> 19:36, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Great! We will include that! Thanks!] (]) 19:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Saw you had done some great work on this one. Re , isn't the whole article a biography? In fact I was discussing this very issue on my talk page yesterday...&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 18:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. :) I'm rather forced to it, to address longstanding close paraphrasing issues, but at least I've learned a lot about the man. :) As to the header, true enough. :) I don't know what else to call it, though, to cluster biographical details as distinct from his legacy. Do you have a suggestion, or do you prefer level 2 headers throughout? --] <sup>]</sup> 18:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

::The Duponts are certainly an interesting family! I prefer level 2 throughout, unless the number of level 2 headings would otherwise be overwhelming. I think level 3, 4 ''et seq'' headings are overused, so my methodology is to keep heading text and levels as simple as possible.&nbsp;–&nbsp;] (]) 19:17, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't have any problem with that. :) I'll go ahead and implement it. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Joe Columbe ==

So where is the other administrator input? The Misplaced Pages article has be around for about 3 years, and no other administrator has flagged it as a problem.

You editing is overly aggressive. There is no copyright infringement. There is very little public material on Joe Columbe. A lot of it is work of mouth. So information has to come mostly from one source. Copyright rule said that you have to change 30% of the original article. I have done that.

I will stop contributing to the Misplaced Pages fund until this over aggressive editing is reversed. ] (]) 20:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:I've replied to your note at ], where it is duplicated. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== US army copyrights ==

Hey, MRG. On there is a copyright stamp on the bottom. Normally/Often, Department of Defense and US Military webpages are public domain, but it appears the DoD also hosts webpages which are copyrighted. ( stating ''United States Department of Defense does not exercise any editorial control over the information'' seems to confirm that it is not part of their public domain material.) Also, on the Army website indicates that they do use copyrighted material on their pages -- but will provide specific copyright notices when it is. Would that be your understanding, too? <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 22:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hi. :) Yes, that seems to be the only reasonable conclusion. --] <sup>]</sup> 22:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, Ma'am. Thank you, Ma'am (what's the emoticon for a crisp salute?)... but , ugh, this might require opening a CCI case on a rather large number of our military unit articles. ] on my talk page led me to start ]. Right now, I think this first group of articles can be knocked off without CCI -- Ed!'s an experienced editor who is very forthcoming in getting this set corrected. But there are others... why, oh why did I go looking for trouble today? <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 00:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Wow. I bow to your communication skills. Very nicely handled, both. :O Perhaps at some point we'll need to officially expand CCI (via VPP and other points) to incorporate source checks. We're doing Banglapedia now. Is it specifically articles in the http://www.hood.army.mil are that are of concern? Or is it http://www.globalsecurity.org? (I've removed a good many copyvios from that site over the years.)

:::I wonder, is there any way to get an automated message with an unconfirmed contributor tries to cite one of those sources reminding them not to copy contents? Would that be worthwhile? I wouldn't propose it for established users, even though some of them copy content as well, because I suspect that the level of annoyance it causes prolific contributors would outweigh the benefit. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::::The copying of text from the www.globalsecurity.org website was my initial concern -- and it's cited on about 5400 articles. My suspicion now, though, is that globalsecurity has copied their text from US Military websites (and other sources) that are PD. That idea was claimed by ] (remember him?) in this ] back in 2006. I suspect that ol' Corneliusseon was correct (even though he did run afoul of our own copyright policies later down the road). Checking origin dates at globalsecurity is difficult because they have blocked the internet archive bots. But if the same text can be found on the .mil websites -- than it should be PD regardless of globalsecurity's copyright claim. The problem for me was finding the http://www.hood.army.mil site which does not have a clear (to me, at least) "privacy and security statement". The Army's says their own home page is PD. Now each fort has their own homepage under the army.mil webring (and this is where the WP text on unit histories is being copied from), but each fort website has its own style -- even in regard to copyright. For example, 's bottom CP stamp is "This is an Official Government Web Site" and about is it "is considered public information and may be distributed or copied." places a copyright notice on the bottom of all its pages, but also states "Information presented via this web service is considered public information and may be distributed or copied." On the other hand, 's statement only says its info is in accordance with Army and DoD policies and the .

::::Sorry for blathering on but I'm still trying to wrap my head around how to interpret all these separate Army websites. Can we say that any military website hosted by the DoD and in compliance with DoD information policies is public domain unless specifically stating otherwise? I don't want to stir up trouble for the milhist group if it isn't necessary. And that would include creating automated messages. <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 19:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::Oh, and just to confuse the issue more -- the subpages for the military units on the Fort websites also follow their own style rules. For example, ] which is hosted by the Fort Hood site which is hosted by the US Army site which is under the DoD policy (which lived in the house that Jack built) -- places a copyright stamp on their page and . The history section of ] was copied from there -- so is that a copyright violation? <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 19:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::{{tps}} I've seen globalsecurity come up quite a few times at SCV, and they don't always copy from PD sources. Their articles about other countries militaries are often not PD, and I'm not sure but I seem to recall at least one US military page which copied a personally written unit history instead of the PD official one. As to content which originated on .mil sites, they should be PD unless the page explicitly states who else is the copyright holder. A claim like "© Copyright 15th Sustainment Brigade" is fishy, as anything created by a federal employee (military or civilian) is PD. The only way they could have copyright is if they contracted someone else to write it who then transferred the copyright, which seems unlikely in most situations. ] (]) 19:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::::::Thanks, Verno. I also seem to recall a discussion about globalsecurity combining PD unit histories with text from published books. I was hoping that on this current first batch of copyvios copied from globalsecurity, the original unit history could be located on the army site and the text re-attributed -- rather than perform a wholesale deletion. I agree with you about the unlikelihood of the copyright claim for the 15th Brigade, but when I ran across the statement on the hosting website, it gave me pause. So... should we go with common sense and figure "unlikely" is good enough to let that one ride? <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 19:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::::If the unit history can be found on an army site (sometimes I've also had luck with archived copies of army sites) then I'd say it's PD in the absence of other evidence. The Army Use of Copyrighted Material states "any use of copyrighted material, for which permission has been obtained, will carry attribution for the source of the material", and the particular page in question does not attribute any non-Federal source. ] (]) 12:07, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
{{unindent}} Almost missed this! It wouldn't be the first time that a government source had tried to impose copyright over pd content, though I think it might be the first time I would ever have seen a US federal source do so. Verno makes sense; in the absence of a specific non-governmental source, they are not complying with their own disclaimer. --] <sup>]</sup> 18:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:Ah, okay -- makes sense, Verno -- any copyright on those pages, when attributed to the Army unit, remains PD per US Military and Department of Defense policy. I had already suggested that the editor seek out the copied text on the army sites, and if it is an exact duplicate of the globalsecurity site, than to consider it PD (regardless that it was originally copied from the globalsecurity site) -- but to reattribute it in the edit history to the army site as well as place the US Army template in the reference section. I did this at ]. Common sense tells me this approach should be good enough to cover our legal requirements. (By the way, the army sites as well as global security have blocked access to the internet archive bots). <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 20:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Unreferenced BLPs ==

] Hello Moonriddengirl! Thank you for your contributions. I am a ] notifying you on behalf of the ] that '''2''' of the articles that you created are currently tagged as]. The ] policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure ], all biographies should be based on ]. If you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current '']'' article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{tl|unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:

# ] - <small>{{findsources|Ramamurti Shankar}}</small>
# ] - <small>{{findsources|Anna Nagurney}}</small>
Thanks!--] (]) 03:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you, ]. :) (Even though I didn't actually write those articles and in fact tagged one of them for sources myself, I still would have felt compelled to add them. :D) --] <sup>]</sup> 11:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
== Thank you ==

{{cookies|Thanks a lot for fixing up problems of close paraphasing! ] (]) 14:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)}}
:You're welcome. Thanks for the cookies. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 14:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

I could cry. This is a really important site, but I've now discovered that although I removed the new copyvio, this edit 4 years ago, most of which is still in the article and makes up the bulk of the article, is from and presumable added by Henshilwood who is one of the main people who has worked on the cave. I should remove it forthwith I guess? I'll try to rewrite it over the next few days. ] (]) 18:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, I'm sorry. :( I feel your pain. Perhaps the thing to do is blank it and e-mail him? He's e-mail enabled and may be able to respond to you. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hallo Moonriddengirl, to end the copyright problems I made a ] from the . Best regards, ] (]) 22:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you very much! I've implemented it. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
This is a much better solution. I'm glad the problems are solved. ] (]) 22:35, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Here we go... (again!) ==

Hello MRG, there is this particular editor ({{User5|Scania N113}}) who has been blocked several times for his ] behaviour on the article page of ] and just today his attempt again at insulting people as well as ] ( was added after I deleted it, note also that the definition of "無恥" is "despicable" in Chinese language). Please note that his block just ended about 3 weeks back and quite frankly, I'm all for ] when dealing with such editor ]. Thoughts? --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 06:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:No, I did not insult anyone nor ]. If you say I did, how did I insult people? Also, "無恥" is "shameless" in Chinese, but I did not say it is you nor any other people. What I did on the page ] was extremely reasonable, and in the past I had already explained a lot of times to you. ] (]) 07:10, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

::*You say "not disruptive" then why are you following me here and ? --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 07:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Hello to you both. My thoughts on the subject: ] only really works when the community agrees that an editor is beyond salvaging. Otherwise, we ourselves run into problems with community behavioral policies, including ] and ]. If you think that an editor is beyond salvaging, you need to convince the community that you are right through one of the processes at ], quite probably ], though if a matter is clear-cut ] can do it. Without spending considerable time (that I don't have at the moment, I'm afraid, my copyright to do list is rather long) investigating, I do not know what avenues have been tried.

:::As an aside, ], I'm not sure why your question went unanswered, but the answer to your question is in two of our core policies at ] and ]. In the former see, "The threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is '''verifiability, not truth'''&mdash;whether readers can check that material in Misplaced Pages has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." I do not know the details of your content dispute and '''do not want to''' as I lack time to help out, but the crux of the matter is that Misplaced Pages is ''not'' interested in being the first publisher of truths. That's not our mission.

:::In terms of civility, whatever the situation may have been at the time you left the above note, the civility line is certainly crossed in , though you did at least soften it by . Dave, you should not accuse him of vandalism or imply vandalism (cross-Wiki, no less) unless you have good evidence that he is intentionally undermining the encyclopedia. I know you believe he is ], but that's not the same thing.

:::I have reopened the thread at ]. Scania, you should not a close a conversation against the will of another participant, particularly not in the same sequence of edits with "getting the last word." You completed . You . Dave may have said he was leaving the conversation, but this is by no means a binding declaration. Given his objection, I have reopened it. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

::::Thank you very much. I, hereby, officially annouce that temporarily I am not going to make edits on that page. -- ] (]) 12:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::That's well and good, but also not particularly binding. :) As I said I ''don't'' know the history here, but it seems that at least some of the problem may be your method of going about things. Sometimes working on Misplaced Pages gets annoying, and sometimes we may feel that we are being treated rudely by others. Sometimes we ''are'' being treated rudely by others. In all circumstances, though, we need to try to hold our own tempers. Getting angry and saying impolite things ourselves is only going to confuse bystanders, who may focus less on the content question and more on behavior. I see you have been blocked for civility issues several times in the past. This is really unproductive for you, presuming that you ''are'' interested in working on Misplaced Pages. Restraint in conversation is a really good practice, no matter what aggravations you may encounter.

:::::On the question of tendentiousness, again, I do not know the background of your conflict here or what has been tried. If you disagree with another editor or editors, you can seek help through the methods listed at ]. Our project works by ], which is not a counting of heads precisely but more a counting of informed opinions. :) There will be instances when you are sure you are right about something where others disagree with you. If you cannot convince a reasonable sampling of uninvolved Wikipedian bystanders that you are correct, you absolutely must let it go. The best interests of the project sometimes mean walking away from disagreements even if you are sure you are right (and, honestly, even if you are). You can always revisit a subject later down the line, when the situation changes. If people oppose the addition of information for lack of sources, for instance, you can come back to it when you find good, reliable sources, and they will likely then agree. (If your sources disagree with others, they may not agree to ''replace'' the information, but will probably agree to at least note the discrepancy.) --] <sup>]</sup> 12:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

::::::That is ok, I will start finding reliable sources then. Thanks for giving me advice. -- ] (]) 12:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

===Should we block him?===

Hello Desk, per his earlier edits , , , , , , , , together with his , should I report him to ANI or WQA? Note also that he has yet to apologise to us for his previous misdemeanor. --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 12:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:Did you mean this for ]? :) --] <sup>]</sup> 12:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

::*Its for you as well, I have had it with him! What would your advice for me be? Or just reporting this to you would suffice? --] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup> 12:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:::*Well, some of those incidents are quite stale, and he has been blocked since making them. I agree that his edit to you earlier today was beyond the pale. I do not know if you'd get a block for it from ]; I would not myself block on that alone. I do agree with you that it's not really promising. ], you need to be conscious of the fact that your behavior could lead to your being ] from the English Misplaced Pages entirely. In that instance, any edit made by you under any username or IP address can be removed from Misplaced Pages without further discussion simply because you are no longer welcome here. To avoid that, please follow ] scrupulously, no matter the provocation you encounter, and please respect the ], whether or not you agree with the outcome. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

::::Thanks for giving me advice. However, I would like to tell you that in fact ] personally attacked me as well. For example, he said that I was a "bugga" and a "bloke". Also, he said that I was going to vandalise the Chinese Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 08:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::I explained to you above that this doesn't matter. Even if somebody is rude to you, you must not be rude to him. I happen to believe that civility is good for the project, but even if for no other reason, this is important for ''self''-preservation. Say you retaliate rudely to several users who you think are being rude to you; a fourth user speaks rudely to you and you respond. He takes you to the administrators noticeboard and shows links of you being rude to all those other people. He has only ever been rude to you. Who do you think will be blocked? You, because you've demonstrated a pattern of incivility. Self-defeating behavior. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Selena pictures ==

I have asked some questions on my talk page about what needs to be done, thank you! ] (]) 16:18, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Great work ==

I am not a regular contributor to Misplaced Pages, but have been using it extensively for information search for my own purposes and make small corrections once in a while. I have particular interest in Bengal history and culture related articles and have been keen watching developments in that area for a long time. Recently I saw that you have marked ] for possible copyright infringement. The author of the article is no more active on Misplaced Pages and I don’t think that anybody else is going to do anything about it. Hang it with dignity. Delete the article.

I have been observing there are two sets of extreme administrators – one goes round placing Original Research tags and the other goes around searching for copyvio. The ordinary contributor is lost in between but the wily propagandists misusing Misplaced Pages to their heart’s content gets around merrily. See what happened to ]. You marked it copyvio and the editor (name changed) has quickly posted all the material on a new page ]. You probably don’t even have the time to do all the chasing. And what about the content? It is mostly bogus content, so badly written that few would be attracted to go through it. Is this article really fit for Misplaced Pages? And what about the numerous edits this fellow makes on other pages to propagate his point of view? Who reins him in? No administrator bothers.

Take another case. ] and some his sock-puppets have been blocked but he goes on creating new sock puppets and works on Misplaced Pages at ease. He has an article titled ]. It is a bogus article, developed and maintained by Ronosen, his sock-puppets or anonymous contributors (mostly he himself). You have access to David Koff’s book. Does he talk about Adi Dharm? You check Shivanath Shastri. There is not a word about it. But Misplaced Pages merrily hosts one and the intelligent and hard-working administrators are helpless in the face of active propagandists. And you take great pride in chasing out the ordinary contributor who copies a few sentences unwittingly from some book or website. Great work!

- ] (]) 07:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:Gosh. Thank you for your note. Focusing heavily on copyright as I do, I zero in on that issue, and on that in itself I say it seems like we have a pretty big problem here. You say the author has changed his name; do you know what his name used to be? It is very obvious to me at this point that he is operating under various IP addresses and has been violating our copyright policies in a number of ways. I'm pretty concerned about this. :/ --] <sup>]</sup> 12:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:: The ] page has gone through a lot of ups and downs in the last few days. I was a bit worried when everything went under copyvio. To be very frank, we are not always careful about copyright rules and do sometimes resort to copying straight away. This incident has made me wiser and I shall certainly be more careful in future. However, I can assure you that even when we unknowingly break the rules, we do not have bad intentions. Thanks for restoring some of the old work. Keep up the good work. Cheers. - ] (]) 15:48, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Thank you so much. :) I think one of the real problems that contributors may not recognize with copyright problems is the damage they can cause down the road. I really hate to see the work of contributors wasted when they've been building off of content we can't keep. This, if for no other reason, makes it a really good idea to keep an eye out for this material when it appears. If it's not discovered until months or even years down the road, we can lose so much good work, and discourage contributors from continuing. As far as articles like ], I usually like to give contributors who work in the area a chance to help resolve the issue, maybe by rewriting content, but if they don't I try to salvage what I can. It was easier before we knew how many copyright problems we had. :/ --] <sup>]</sup> 15:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It was good of you to respond immediately. Here is some interesting data - over 500 people have clicked on the ] page, so far this month. Cheers. - ] (]) 17:25, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Then I'm glad there was clean content to revert to. It would be a shame to have them come and find nothing. --] <sup>]</sup> 17:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

: Thanks for 1. Wecome 2. Message 3. Action taken on ]. Sorry for the delay in responding. I do not have a PC at home and have to travel to a cyber cafe for working on a hired PC.

:I have tried to revise ] and make it free from copyvio. I have put it up on the temporary page provided for this. Please go through the same and if you are not satisfied about copyvio, I will work on it further. My draw back is that although I have read Davod Kopf's book, I don't have it for ready reference.

:I am quite surpised by your tough action and feel sorry for my hard words. Please don't take it to heart.

:Thanks once again. - ] (]) 07:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Regarding deletion of contents with topic Bhutani (Tribes) ==

May I know the reason behind the deletion of Topic Bhutani, if possible.

Regards,
Gaurav <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The article was created by and subsequently edited only by a ] in violation of his ban, which is grounds for ] (see ]). Banned contributors may not create new accounts to continue adding content to Misplaced Pages, but must negotiate a lifting of their ban if they wish to continue working here. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Noticeboard discussion <!-- 11:52, 21 August 2010 --> (2) ==

Since the discussion about the Gearslutz source and its use has been ] and at an impasse, how should this matter be approached now? ] (]) 11:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:Ugh. It's always tough when there's no real consensus. :/ ] dropped by, and we briefly discussed the possibility of an ] to firmly settle some kind of guideline on the use of forums when the identity of the poster can be verified. Have you ever been involved in an RfC? If not, and if you'd like to give it a go, I'd be happy to help you pull one together, though I don't really have time to do any more than that. My copyright work keeps me pretty busy. :) This would be over the larger issue, not the specific incident. With respect to the specific incident, I'm afraid I don't really know at this point what to do. As an editor, I am somewhat conservative and try to avoid things that seem controversial, so I would let that one go, myself. That doesn't mean, though, that there is no other court of appeal. You'd just have to be very careful to be neutral and to clearly link to the ] discussion about it so that you don't seem to be "forum shopping" (another issue under ]). Your best bet may to be to resolve the larger issue through community discussion (if it can be resolved), which will provide more firm guidance one way or another for the smaller issue. I know that you're primarily a content contributor, though, (and a really good one :)), so I understand if you don't want to take on shaping policy. It can be a time-consuming pain in the neck. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Copyvio questions (low priority!) ==

Shan't be able to help much in the next couple weeks. (The Banglapedia CCI is what I'd most like to work on, but if that's done soon, clearly others will remain or crop up.) The Old Gray Mare still reads and writes Gray Lady-style content pretty well but balks when asked to do more than that. Now she even has problems reading email. So time for a new computer and/or new connection, but installing and transferring will take a while. For when that's done - a couple questions. Any updates on the WP-specific plag-checker tool that got some research attention a while ago? How does a CCI work right now - do you-all, after deciding it's needed, manually copy-paste an individual's contributions, sentence by sentence, into Google? Do you have any recommendations for free tools that check an entire WP article against Google, including Books and Scholar? (if specifying these might be seen as overly promotional, you or a talk page stalker could send me an email, which I'd be able to read eventually). Thanks, ] (]) 15:19, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:Hi, and I am very sorry about the Old Gray Mare's stubborness. :) We have very limited tools at our disposal for copyright work. I don't remember what was around when last we talked (I barely remember yesterday! :D), but the only one we have, really, is . It's great for finding larger chunks (and avoiding known Misplaced Pages mirrors), but for minute work I still have to do it by hand. I usually don't check sentence by sentence. I look for striking phrases and check those. I also still routinely make use of , which does require me to strip out references. It has one handy feature: when it finds hits (and it almost invariably does, since it ''doesn't'' screen Misplaced Pages mirrors), I can then easily transfer it to other google searches. For instance, it found (randomly selected from the recent changes on my watchlist). (It's a quote, obviously, so the wide publication of it is not a problem. :)) Flip it to Google books, and I get . , and . I frequently check articles against Google books, but do not always check against news or scholar. It depends on the circumstances.

:Of course, some CCIs have special circumstances. Policy permits presumptive removal of text, so with thousands of articles (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands?) waiting review, I seldom continue checking after I've verified copying in a line or two. That's enough for me to presume infringement from a contributor with an established record. And we also sometimes remove content on suspicion if it raises red flags related to the contributor's past behavior. ] says, "If contributors have been shown to have a history of extensive copyright violation, it may be assumed without further evidence that all of their major contributions are copyright violations, and they may be removed indiscriminately." I don't like to go that far, but more egregious infringers do lead to more aggressive clean-up. --] <sup>]</sup> 15:41, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


== Selena == == Long time no see! ==
Um excuse me? but when do you plan on bringing back those RS to this article? ] (]) 18:19, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:I have replied at your talk page. --] <sup>]</sup> 18:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


Hi. A former helper of copyright clean-up here who last interacted with you ! I know you haven't been as active as you used to be, but thought I'd let you know that we have ] that's keen to help out in CCI. If ever you'd like to take an interest in Copyright cleanup again, I'm sure she'd be happy to collaborate with you. If not, that's OK, just saying hello to you. ] <sup>(])</sup> <sub>(])</sub> 09:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
== Hetam Bhurshut and Surajcap ==


== Merry Christmas ==
Hi,


]
I've been fixing the vandalism from {{user|Surajcap}} and his various 117.* ip addresses for quite some time now. His edit patterns are obvious: he copies a large chunk of text from blogs or google books, and then formats that in wikipedia markup, and then copy-pastes in multiple articles. I can't identify the source of some of his edits on Pratapadiya and other pages, but these are very likely to be copyvios as well (large amount of text added by this user).


'''Merry Christmas from London ...'''
I have blocked some socks of Surajcap and some IP addresses, but later found it easier to pending-charge-protect the articles instead. He uses a dial-up isp from India, and switches ips every day. So, blocking the IPs will perhaps affect a large section of Indian editors. --] (]) 23:09, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


'''and may the New Year be a safe one, filled with peace and plenty.'''
== Shabazz ==


Best wishes, ] (]) 10:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Regarding : since the edit in question is by Piotrus, I have to voice my concern here. If you're looking for a neutral third party, Shabazz really isn't one. He's basically Piotrus' ally, having filed Piotrus' and for him in Eastern European articles while Piotrus is topic banned. It would be interesting to know who exactly recommended Shabazz as a neutral party in this issue. Please, try to find someone else if at all possible. ] (]) 12:44, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you for the information. Do you know a neutral, Polish-speaking person who can handle this discreetly? There are real life reputation concerns here that do need to be respected. (What about ]?) --] <sup>]</sup> 12:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
::I have concerns regarding Kotninski too, since he Piotrus' appeal and also Piotrus during the arbitration. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone suitable. Sorry about this. ] (]) 13:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas from London ...

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