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::Yeah, after 18 yrs, I felt it was time for a change. Stay safe Sovietblobfish!--] (]) 20:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:"Ermeni Soykirimi" would be the direct translation of Armenian Genocide, not some Turkish government anti-Armenian rhetoric. I would suggest you watch your civility on wikipedia and use the talk page. Stating "Ermeni Soykirimi" is not anti-Turkish, simply a your pathetic attempt to justify your contentious editing. I will continue to edit where I like. Your puerile accusations mean nothing here. --] (]) 20:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


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There are many missing battles such as Battle of Nishapur (1038), Battle of Vaspurakan (1046), Siege of Ani (1064), First Georgian Campaign (1064), Mangyshlak Campaign (1065), Battle of Caesarea (1067) and Second Georgian Campaign (1068). Can you please add them? Because you created the page and I don't know how to program. There is a possibility that I may break the page. That's why I'm asking you for this. ] (]) 20:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Do you have ] in English for battle of Nishapur 1038, Vaspurakan 1046, Ani 1064, Caesarea 1067? I won't add campaigns since those aren't singular battles. --] 20:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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::Go and take a look. Only the Mangışlak Campaign is mentioned in the Turkish Misplaced Pages. Apart from that, all the other wars are available in the English Misplaced Pages. Also, some wars do not have separate pages, so check the wars on the Alp Arslan page. ] (]) 21:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


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::::In that case I will find the source and send it to you within 1 week at the latest. ] (]) 04:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::What is the minimum number of resources I need to find? ] (]) 04:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::At least one university published source indicating the battle, the belligerents, and the result of the battle should be fine. Also, the ] references/sources have no page numbers thus fail ]. --] 19:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is also a source for the Georgian campaigns. You can also look at it if you want. There is also reliable information about the biography of Sultan Alp Arslan.
:::::::https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/alparslan
:::::::https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/155457
:::::::https://avys.omu.edu.tr/storage/app/public/ibrahim.tellioglu/63827/6.pdf
:::::::https://www.academia.edu/50976707/Sel%C3%A7uklular%C4%B1n_Kafkasya_Politikas%C4%B1_ve_Kafkasyan%C4%B1n_T%C3%BCrkle%C5%9Fmesi_1016_1121 ] (]) 16:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&qsp=3&q=siege+of+ani+1064+primary+source&qst=bl#d=gs_qabs&t=1736173866316&u=%23p%3D9JHx8pEKizUJ
:https://www.jstor.org/stable/48578237 ] (]) 14:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::battle of Caesarea
::Harris Jonathan (2014) Byzantium and Crusaders
::Lock, Peter (2006). The Routledge Companion to the Crusades (İngilizce). Routledge.
::Jeffreys, Elizabeth; Haldon, John F.; Cormack, Robin, (Ed.) (2008). The Oxford Handbook of Byzantine Studies ] (]) 16:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::One of the links is for the Battle of Manzikert and the other is for the siege of Ani. ] (]) 16:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::This isn't looking good. The ] doesn't appear to have any sources that actually call it a battle. I found instances of attack, pillage, or sack, but nothing calling this a battle. If this is the case the article needs to be re-written and the title changed. The Battle of Manzikert is already listed in the ]. --] 20:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::] has only one source(an unspecialized source) that mentions a victory and only in passing. Giving no details to the belligerents involved. --] 21:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The Georgian campaign and its sudden siege? ] (]) 18:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The Byzantine forces are defeated, Kayseri is conquered and the city is looted. It is also stated in the books as such. ] (]) 19:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::None of the 4 sources used in the article ], state it was a battle. In a subsequent search I found zero sources calling it a battle.
:::::None idea what you're referring to when you say "Georgian campaign sudden siege".--] 20:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? ] (]) 15:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are right, it should be a siege of Caesarea, not a Battle of Caesarea. However, Misplaced Pages says it as a war, it needs to be corrected. ] (]) 15:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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No. None of the sources call the so-called "battle of Caesarea" a siege either. We can only write what the source(s) state, not what we interpret, think or want. So far it looks like it will be renamed as a raid. --] 16:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


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I thought you left WP. I miss KB but the new username is cool and unique. Keep it up! --Mann Mann (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm still here. Yeah, it was time for a name change. Thanks. Stay safe Mann Mann!--Paramandyr (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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Every couple of days I like to check in on the editors I know, see what they're working on and I was shocked that typing in my usual sequence only directed me towards a sockpuppet! Cool to see a a new name :) sovietblobfish (talk) 20:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, after 18 yrs, I felt it was time for a change. Stay safe Sovietblobfish!--Paramandyr (talk) 20:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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FYI: I used to go by Kansas Bear. Have a great weekend and stay safe! --Paramandyr (talk) 00:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
I remember you. I didn't know you'd changed your username; any reason why? Even without knowing who you were, I didn't like blocking you, but you violated 3RR and your reverts were not exempt per WP:3RRNO. You really shouldn't bring a report to AN3 complaining that another user violated 3RR when you yourself have also done so. Anyway, the block will expire before Xmas (if you celebrate that). Take care.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
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I was tired of how Chicago Bears were playing for the umpteenth year.
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Yeah, I probably lost count.
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Well, this year I'm avoiding the family dramah and staying in Lawrence. Take care Bbb23! --Paramandyr (talk) 00:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Would you believe it was for the greater good? The editor in question is writing WP:OR and doesn't respond to talk page conversations(per Ealdgyth, BusterD, and myself). Yes, I believe that. Actually, at a glance, it looks like the user does respond to others on their Talk page, just not, uh, responsively.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 224, December 2024

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SELJUK WARS LİST ARTICLE

There are many missing battles such as Battle of Nishapur (1038), Battle of Vaspurakan (1046), Siege of Ani (1064), First Georgian Campaign (1064), Mangyshlak Campaign (1065), Battle of Caesarea (1067) and Second Georgian Campaign (1068). Can you please add them? Because you created the page and I don't know how to program. There is a possibility that I may break the page. That's why I'm asking you for this. Kartal1071 (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you have reliable secondary sources in English for battle of Nishapur 1038, Vaspurakan 1046, Ani 1064, Caesarea 1067? I won't add campaigns since those aren't singular battles. --Kansas Bear 20:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Source: English Misplaced Pages. Some of the wars I write about here have their own pages. The others are on the Misplaced Pages Alp Arslan page. I suppose you would also consider the articles on Misplaced Pages to be reliable, right? Kartal1071 (talk) 21:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Go and take a look. Only the Mangışlak Campaign is mentioned in the Turkish Misplaced Pages. Apart from that, all the other wars are available in the English Misplaced Pages. Also, some wars do not have separate pages, so check the wars on the Alp Arslan page. Kartal1071 (talk) 21:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
We can not use Misplaced Pages articles to reference Misplaced Pages, per WP:CIRC. --Kansas Bear 21:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
In that case I will find the source and send it to you within 1 week at the latest. Kartal1071 (talk) 04:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
What is the minimum number of resources I need to find? Kartal1071 (talk) 04:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
At least one university published source indicating the battle, the belligerents, and the result of the battle should be fine. Also, the Battle of Nishapur (1038) references/sources have no page numbers thus fail verification. --Kansas Bear 19:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
This is also a source for the Georgian campaigns. You can also look at it if you want. There is also reliable information about the biography of Sultan Alp Arslan.
https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/alparslan
https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/155457
https://avys.omu.edu.tr/storage/app/public/ibrahim.tellioglu/63827/6.pdf
https://www.academia.edu/50976707/Sel%C3%A7uklular%C4%B1n_Kafkasya_Politikas%C4%B1_ve_Kafkasyan%C4%B1n_T%C3%BCrkle%C5%9Fmesi_1016_1121 Kartal1071 (talk) 16:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&qsp=3&q=siege+of+ani+1064+primary+source&qst=bl#d=gs_qabs&t=1736173866316&u=%23p%3D9JHx8pEKizUJ
https://www.jstor.org/stable/48578237 Kartal1071 (talk) 14:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
battle of Caesarea
Harris Jonathan (2014) Byzantium and Crusaders
Lock, Peter (2006). The Routledge Companion to the Crusades (İngilizce). Routledge.
Jeffreys, Elizabeth; Haldon, John F.; Cormack, Robin, (Ed.) (2008). The Oxford Handbook of Byzantine Studies Kartal1071 (talk) 16:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
One of the links is for the Battle of Manzikert and the other is for the siege of Ani. Kartal1071 (talk) 16:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
This isn't looking good. The Battle of Caesarea doesn't appear to have any sources that actually call it a battle. I found instances of attack, pillage, or sack, but nothing calling this a battle. If this is the case the article needs to be re-written and the title changed. The Battle of Manzikert is already listed in the List of battles involving the Seljuk Empire. --Kansas Bear 20:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Battle of Nishapur (1038) has only one source(an unspecialized source) that mentions a victory and only in passing. Giving no details to the belligerents involved. --Kansas Bear 21:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
The Georgian campaign and its sudden siege? Kartal1071 (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
The Byzantine forces are defeated, Kayseri is conquered and the city is looted. It is also stated in the books as such. Kartal1071 (talk) 19:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
None of the 4 sources used in the article Battle of Caesarea, state it was a battle. In a subsequent search I found zero sources calling it a battle.
None idea what you're referring to when you say "Georgian campaign sudden siege".--Kansas Bear 20:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? Kartal1071 (talk) 15:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
You are right, it should be a siege of Caesarea, not a Battle of Caesarea. However, Misplaced Pages says it as a war, it needs to be corrected. Kartal1071 (talk) 15:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

No. None of the sources call the so-called "battle of Caesarea" a siege either. We can only write what the source(s) state, not what we interpret, think or want. So far it looks like it will be renamed as a raid. --Kansas Bear 16:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? Kartal1071 (talk) 16:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
I'll be checking it during lunch. --Kansas Bear 16:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)