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			Andy... again?! after all this time?
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	Hi Andy. Interesting topic. I've fixed a couple of typos in passing, but there are a couple of sentences in the 'Advantages' section whose meaning is not clear and need a little attention.

			Hi Andy
	In the introduction to Advantages it might make sense to list what these are. The standard formatting of H3 vs H4 headings is unhelpful here, so mentioning them first will help. Also "...the advantage of auto-loaders not living up to their promise..." seems 'wrong' (correct adjectives are escaping me this morning!) -- don't understand how something not living up to its promise is an advantage.

			You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm
	Lastly, the final sentence "The 120mm for the AMX-50 was simply unreliable, with a round of such weight." seems to be incomplete, especially as the weight is not mentioned.

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	: If you're looking for interesting articles in dire need of copyediting, this looks promising: ] (also ] its inventor). It's an auto-translated paste from the Russian wiki, and looks like it. Interesting idea though. ] (]) 09:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

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	::It ''is'' an interesting idea, although one might question whether it is more efficient to just use a hovercraft to float over the ice than to use it to break the ice and float through on the water.
	::When I see an article in need of a lot of work, if it is out of my usual topic areas I usually leave it alone, since fixing it 'just a bit' may obscure the scale of the changes needed. I'm not short of stuff to do, but your 'articles created' pop-up in my watchlist and I'll often give them a quick proof-read if they spark an interest... -- ] (]) 12:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
	::: I think it's intended as a serious means of icebreaking, so that other boats can pass through behind. Icebreaking by traditional means is horribly slow and also fuel inefficient, why the Soviets bothered to build nuclear ships for it. I think the hovercraft approach may actually be cheaper. (Any sentence with "hovercraft" and "cheaper" in it is automatically notable.) ] (]) 12:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

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	Hi Andy, I have no idea whether you would be interested in this topic or not, but if you have some time, could you give it a look-see? The reasoning behind the article is that it represents a possible United States Air Force hypersonic spy plane. I trust that with your rapier-like intelligence and wit, you could make a determination over some of the contentious aspects of the article. FWiW ] (]) 14:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC).
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	: You mean my years of Usenet kookery and my ownership of a green crayon? I'll take a look. ] (]) 14:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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	:: From a quick look it isn't too bad an article and what it needs is stylistic copyediting, rather than technical input. Like the Bermuda Triangle, this topic is highly notable, but only from the viewpoint that it's a heavily-discussed non-event. The aircraft still appears to have never existed, but it would be lax of the military-industrial skunkplex if they ''hadn't'' been working on an SR-71 replacement and certainly at the time of its major sightings there was huge discussion of it. These claims should be recorded, but the encyclopedic tone used is where the trouble lies. We have to be neutral, recording their ''details'' whilst never supporting their further ''claims'' as to what was actually behind them.

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	:: The infamous Machrihanish sightings are the usual howler. There were sightings of flying skunks around Machrihanish (ten thousand foot runway, which is Fairford sized) and also the very well-known "refuelling" over the North Sea. The Atlantically-challenged cousins have thus put two and two together to claim that this was done for secrecy, not realising the difference between the Atlantic and the North Sea, or that the likely flightpaths here went right over Edinburgh. Also (against some other claims) while KC-135s ''might'' have flown North and could even have carried hose pods to feed a thirsty Nimrod, the idea of Lossiemouth having something fitted with a NASCAR-spec boom doesn't really fly either. Besides which, it's still 1989 and no-one is going to test their favourite new toy by flying it out of Machrihanish and turniing it East, into Bear country. What was it? I've no idea. XH558? F-111 at a funny angle? Another of NASA's F-111s with extra bits of wing stuck to it that week? But I find it utterly incredible that a M3+ aircraft is tooling around slow & low in that neck of the woods. Besides which, what ''are'' F111s doing out at sea, up North? If the Yanks needed chase planes, F15s were still in country and the F111 is famously bad as a camera ship, as the "backseater" sits in a cupboard with portholes, looking out to just one side.

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	:: Was there a post-SR-71? Of course there was. And I'd lay money it was tiny, went very fast, very high, and didn't stop over oilrigs. Although it's an even call in 1989, it was probably unmanned too, and was either pre-programmed (like the D-21) or else a remote-targeted UAV with some facility for changing mission on the hoof, but basically flying itself (which isn't too hard at speed, as you're avoiding the terrain, not poking at it). Buggers forgot to send me the manual for it though, so that's all I know.

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	I’ve just noticed the now-closed AFD for this article, and the concerns that were raised in it about WeijiBaikeBianji’s possible conflict of interest on IQ-related articles. I’ve also had some concerns about WeijiBaikeBianji’s editing behavior on these articles, and so have a few other editors who weren’t involved in the AFD, so I recently brought up this issue with Coren, one of the arbitrators. The discussion about this is ]. Coren is offering some advice about how this issue ought to be handled, so he suggested that I contact the other editors who’ve been concerned about this possible COI.

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	: I am far from happy with this article, with ]'s behaviour over it in the past, and particularly for AfDing it. Whilst his actions are "correct", they're far from appropriate or constructive - particularly as regards the COI issue. I'm very, very tired of editors working this way - there seems to be a rash of them at present. I would have filed this at RFC myself (along with a couple of others), but I really don't have the time and to be honest, I just don't care that much about the quality of this article. It's better, to my interests, to try and walk away from this, even if it means him ruining an article, and to spend time on articles I care more about.
	: However if you do take it to RFC, please give me a shout and I'll fire up my pitchfork. ] (]) 21:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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	::Even if you aren’t going to post the RFC, I think it would still be helpful if you could participate in the discussion about this in Coren’s user talk. That’s where I expect other editors will be discussing how to handle this issue, and I think it would be beneficial for them to have your input about it. --] (]) 01:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

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	I was hoping someone else would do the RFU/C but it looks like no one has time for it....I have time for it, though I don't know anything about going about it. Can someone point me in the right direction? I've never been involved in dispute resolution at wikipedia before. Also, if anyone can help me find diffs from parts of this dispute I wasn’t involved in, such as the high IQ society article, that would be helpful. Not really sure where to start here...-] (]) 04:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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	:What I’d recommend doing is creating a draft for the RFC/U on a page in your userspace (something like ]), and editors who’ve been involved in other disputes with WeijiBaikeBianji can gradually contribute diffs there until you’re ready to actually start the RFC.

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	:* http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/ariebras/Various%20LSR/?action=view&current=1928WhiteTriplex-02.jpg#!oZZ24QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs169.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu240%2Fariebras%2FVarious%2520LSR%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3D1928WhiteTriplex-02.jpg%26

	:* http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u240/ariebras/Various%20LSR/?action=view&current=1928WhiteTriplex-02.jpg#!oZZ26QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs169.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu240%2Fariebras%2FVarious%2520LSR%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3D1928WhiteTriplex-03.jpg%26

	:* http://hooniverse.com/2010/02/25/white-triplex-81000-cc-of-doom/

	; White Triplex Reversing Set-up

	There are a couple of photos in these links:
	http://theselvedgeyard.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/the-white-triplex-three-engines-1500-hp-and-one-tragic-result/
	http://www.nieworld.com/special/racing/gallery2.htm
	The original/permanent wheels are the rearmost set. Close examination of the side-on view seems to suggest that the tyres are in contact. As you say, they might have run just one engine...and for the few yards necessary to prove the point, might even have left the others connected (as with the earlier electric motor rig), using their compression to slow the whole, hairy operation down.
	] (]) 10:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

	: Well if nothing else today, I've found some new photos of the Triplex!
	: These are odd. I agree with you that the rear axle is the main drive axle, as it matches the four-wheeler photos and is also in position to take drive from the rear engines. Yet there are a couple of photos here that show the middle axle lowered, the rear axle raised, and yet the car's apparently travelling at speed! Did they fire this thing up and do backward runs for the camera?! Even around probably the hairiest LSR car ever, driving it backwards fast must have been terrifying! ] (]) 11:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

	; Triplex

	Apologies; I didn't check out your links first, and you had found more photo's of the six wheeled arrangement than me. Hard to tell if those were taken at speed or not..could have been just wheel tracks on the sand and a grainy exposure (I think I can see spokes on one of them, which I doubt a camera of the time could have frozen). Looking at pics of the 4 wheeled configuration, the rear axle is mounted above the line of the chassis. If I had been them, I wouldn't have bothered with any raising/lowering mechanism; simply mounted the extra wheels, either with an axle or mounted on the chassis, proved it could reverse, then removed them. Perhaps we'll never know! Many thanks for producing some links I hadn't found.
	Regards] (]) 15:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

	: You're right - looking again at them, the wheel spokes are too sharp and the "dust cloud" I thought I was seeing around the wheels isn't convincing. I think what we might be seeing, given the driven wheels' permanent link to the engines, is just that they found it easier to push around the pits on its "reverse" wheels rather than its forward wheels. This would depend though on a clutch in reverse, or at least the ability to drop the reverse wheels without engaging them against the drive wheels (which sounds credible). ] (]) 16:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

	; Triplex
	Or maybe just reduce the tyre pressures, to remove meaningful contact between the wheel sets?] (]) 16:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

	: I'm not sure at these rather lower speeds, but centrifugal force changes the shape of 200mph+ tyres considerably and the wheels increase in diameter appreciably. This was a big problem for Segrave in the red slug and those after him. ] (]) 21:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


	== Sfan00_IMG ==

	Hi Andy. I'm requesting your assistance/advice regarding the submission of a complaint about ]. Please see his ] page (which is where I found your name) and specifically the image tag discussion he initiated with me today. I don't know my way around the Misplaced Pages procedures but I do know a wind-up merchant when I see one. I saw your reference to RfC/U. Is there another less taxing method of approaching this? ] (]) 14:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

	: RFC/U is the way to go here.

	: Sfan seems very "keen", but has difficulties in understanding the subtleties of policy, or any circumstance that runs outside the simple and clearly documented situation on the policy pages. They think everything really is as simple as they think, and their only reaction is to either repeat themselves over and over or (probably quite soon) archive their talk page once again and immediately close any continuing threads! They're one of a number of editors who fail to recognise the difference between actions that are merely correct and those that are ''useful''. There are many "correct" actions to a non-conformant image, such as a broken FUR. One is to delete it, another is to fix it. Some editors fail to appreciate that one is rather more helpful.

	: As far as I can see, ] is a classic case of fair use album cover. It's a little unusual in that such an artist's website has now evaporated, but our correct behaviour then is to tag it as a dead link, but still preserve it in case it re-appears or moves (this happens quite frequently).

	: Sfan has no more authority than any other editor. Provided that your images ''do'' meet our communal policies (a common issue with Sfan is 2005-ish images being re-judged to today's tighter standards), then feel free to remove their tags, including those for "auto-delete in 7 days". If they list an image on a deletion noticeboard, then ''don't'' just revert (this gets judged very badly) but go to the noticeboard and argue its case. More and wiser heads see it there and images are rarely deleted by this route except for either good reason, or inaction. ] (]) 21:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

	:: Okay thanks for your advice. I get the impression you think Sfan is acting in good faith. I cannot agree. I think they have deliberately chosen to undertake edits which are "correct" but not useful, and to do so in a manner calculated to be annoying, i.e. templating regulars, and nitpicking. I can't believe that anyone acting in good faith would try to open the argument that a base domain without index.html is not a valid URL. It is regrettable that the only route to raising a question about Sfan's activities is an RFC/U submission. Like you, I really don't have the time for that. Anyway thanks again. ] (]) 08:42, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

	::: Whether I think Sfan is acting in good faith or not is something of an irrelevance, as I'm still required to act as if they are, no matter what I think. There's also the question of bad faith vs. cluelessness. Your point about the URLs seems quite relevant here! ] (]) 11:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

	:::: Quite so. And your point is taken. I did not meet the requirement to demonstrate the assumption of good faith. I will amend my discussion with Sfan. ] (]) 15:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

	==Heinz Schweizer==
	Sorry, I don't have much insight on him. Have a look here . This site lists him as a member of the Luftwaffe, which was an error on my part, good spot! I found a number of book hits by Thamm in the internet. I may try to order the book. ] (]) 12:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

	== Just wanted your opinion ==

	Do you think the AFD for Triumph Group should be closed per ]? ] (]) 02:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
	: As a !voter in it, I'm probably not allowed an opinion. However I can't see much point in prolonging the inevitable. ] (]) 02:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

	::Concur. - ] (]) 06:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

	==Aircraft design process==

	I noticed that Colonel Warden has recreated ] as a stub. I'm ont sure that's allowed during an AFD, since it's a fork, but they keep changeing guidelines so much on WP nowadays that I never know what's still allowed and what isn't! Do you know? - ] (]) 06:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

	: AIUI, he shouldn't even have stubbed it during the AfD, but should have let debate conclude first. I'm going to move to close the AfD, on the grounds that anything it was discussing has now become moot and so we should, if anyone feels the need, start again with another one. ] (]) 10:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


	==Battersea, Nine Elms and Stewart's Lane==
	Your error was understandable, there were three engine sheds in very close proximity, two of which were known as Battersea prior to 1923. Your picture was taken in front of the former LC&DR running shed, just before Stewart's Lane Junction. The LCDR main line to Victoria is visible over the bridge in the background. The building visible on the left is the Hampton's Repository, which forms the backdrop to a large number of Southern Railway locomotive portraits. I remember it from the 1960s and I believe it was still standing in the late 1970s.

	Your picture is fairly close to Longhedge Works which was situated behind the LC&DR running shed, but is not really a part of it. I have thought about rewriting the Stewart's Lane TMD article and renaming it Stewart's Lane Motive Power Depot but have not yet got round to it. I don't think there is a WP article for the LB&SCR triple roundhouse which was still standing (a vehicle maintenance depot) in the 1980s and visible from the Brighton Main Line. If you want to forward me an email address I can send you part of a large scale map showing the three sheds and Hampton's Repository, but I can't put it on WP for copyright reasons. David --] (]) 15:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

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	: Thanks. That's rather clearer now. ] (]) 17:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

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	You will now find a new article under Stewarts Lane, incorporating your photograph. I have also corrected the caption on Commons.--] (]) 16:00, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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	You made this claim about my ], but the only evidence of notability you provide is "NYSE listed, S&P 600 list" which is ]. If you're truly worried about "wasting time" then you shouldn't be reviewing AfDs. Also, see ]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><b>]</b> <i><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></i></span> 17:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
			: Given that you're already at 4RR, you might want to think about self-reverting.
	: I didn't provide evidence of notability or claim to, merely evidence that your AfD was ill thought out and premature. ] (]) 19:48, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
			: My apologies for the last one though, I think we edit-conflicted when I wl'ed the article for a notable author (the one you keep removing altogether). ] (]) 16:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
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Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels

Hi Andy

You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm

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My apologies for the last one though, I think we edit-conflicted when I wl'ed the article for a notable author (the one you keep removing altogether). Andy Dingley (talk) 16:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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