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*Hi, welcome to my talk page. Feel free to leave me a message about anything you like. It's easier if conversations stay on one page though so if I've left you a message reply on your talk page and I should be watching it. *Hi, welcome to my talk page. Feel free to leave me a message about anything you like. It's easier if conversations stay on one page though so if I've left you a message reply on your talk page and I should be watching it.


*If you want to know why your article was deleted, please read "]" before leaving me a note.
*If I've reviewed your nomination for DYK and mentioned something needs to be fixed I should get round to checking it again soon, so there's probably no need to leave me a note.


*If it's been a while and I haven't got back to you about something, then by all means drop me a note to remind me.</big> *If it's been a while and I haven't got back to you about something, then by all means drop me a note to remind me.</big>


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== Your RfA ==
Hi {{ping|Smartse}} Howdy. I sent this article to draft because it had two references which looked like spam links, basically linking to yoga site which is selling product. The editor states that ] and ] which are GA articles, and both use "yoga journal", which is a commercial site, journal. Its looks and reads like a spam link, and is seemingly selling product. It looks like a spam but he says its a reliable source. In the conversation the editor states they has been using the sites for a while. The GA reviewer on ] was blocked. ] is another commericial link to a shopping site. I think there is something dodgy here. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


== Greetings traveler on your journey through the realms of thought. ==
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">] '''Hello Smartse''', The Utahraptor has smiled at you! Smiles promote ] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the ] by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! <br /> <small>''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''</small></div><!-- Template:Smile -->


Kinda odd input here but I just wanted to express appreciation for all of your hard work on wikipeida. People like you are what make this phenomenon function appropriately.
Good luck with your RfA. I hope it works out for you. ]]/] 23:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks :D ] (]) 23:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


Good luck on that relentless quest for effectively navigating this overwhelming mass of ever-increasing misinformation within our beloved interconnected global consciousness. But I digress, thanks again.
==''Glischrochilus''==


I hope the future continues to find you well. ] (]) 19:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
{{Talkback|User talk:Obsidian Soul|Picnic beetles}}


== Line spacing == == Comment on Bogner ==


Hi there, saw to do with your RfA (which appears to be going excellently by the way). Anyway I saw that you removed a line from between the category and the stub template. Just thought I'd let you know that (for some strange reason) there are actually ''supposed'' to be two lines between the cats and the stub template. Definitely not a big deal at all, but I thought you might like to know. Happy editing, ] (]) 11:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC) I would agree that , but it's a short article on, frankly, a mostly trivial person. In the source, he discusses the curriculum, and while it is not clear whether he had a hand in designing that, he appears to be more involved than just showing up for the announcement. I have no strong feelings about this, but I don't see how it is a negative. ] ] 18:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


:{{re|BD2412}} This would be better discussed on the talk page wouldn't it? Now that we've started though, my reading of the fairly low-quality source (essentially a mouthpiece for the Indonesian government) is that the article is about GISAIDs activities, rather than Bogner and he was representing them. It's already included in the GISAID article, so I don't see why such a run-of-the-mill activity merits inclusion in his biography too. And yes, I agree that he's not super notable, but that isn't a reason to try to plump up the article with trivial details. ] (]) 18:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
:Hmm, thanks for the note - nice to see that there are still things to learn! I've and I guess it does look better. It stub tag was beneath the cats so I sorted that out too. ] (]) 11:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:: If you have concerns about the reliability of the source, I would suggest taking that up at ]. It is used as a source in . If you want to remove all of the trivial details from this subject's article, there will be no article left. ] ] 18:58, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


== Vernalization == == Concerns ==


Dear Smartse, I understand your reasons for removing the ANI post. Where should I forward the evidence privately? ] (]) 14:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
I have been working on ] -- how would I ask other members of WikiProject Plants to check up on me? I have a (long-past) BA Biology but it's easy to mess up ] just snooping through papers that Google spits out. I also would like to go for a DYK on it, but there is a problem with the length rule. When I found it, almost half its 2800 B was uncited ranting about Lysenkoism. Now it has 4116B of "readable prose" plus useful footnotes. I am a little confused anyway about whether you need to double an article or multiply it times 5 to do DYK. Anyway, with or without DYK it is a really enjoyable project. I saw your post on Anna F's talk page, came here to ask you about my own DYK issue, and saw your RfA -- good luck, I'm sure you'd be great! ]] 19:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


:{{re|Vickyfoxx}} I am forwarding it to ] who are best placed to deal with it. ] (]) 14:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:You can drop a note at ] to get someone else to have a look, but I can do it later on if you like. Regarding DYK, it needs to be a 5x expansion unless it is an unreferenced biography of a living person, and then it can be only 2x. ] is a useful tool to check article lengths - it's done on characters, rather than bytes and a quick check shows its still quite a long way off unfortunately. Oh and thanks, I hope so too. ] (]) 20:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


::Thank you. I apologize if I posted in the wrong place and used a new account, but it's because I fear retaliation and harassment from these kinds of users. I myself don't want to out or harass anyone. I hope the Misplaced Pages community can look into this matter. ] (]) 14:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, that was all helpful! ]] 22:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


==Unblock question==
:::No worries. It'll have to wait til tomorrow I'm afirad for a full read through, but a couple of things at first glance: genes should be italicised and I'm not sure if the massive quotes are needed in the references - it's not something I've seen in other articles before. Certainly much better than before though. ] (]) 00:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
please no one answers me I ask you how it is possible to be unblocked for Blocked Sochkpuppet Gaetano Minale ...... it's been seven years now, Thank you
::::Thanks for the thoughts. I guess the long quotes are kind of dorky looking but when I have seen others use them I really liked them since they add relevant information from the ]. I have a hard time forcing myself to erase stuff that I think somebody else might like to see. ]] 02:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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:::::As you might have noticed I got round to reading it - it looks good and I certainly learnt something new as I managed to miss that out in my degree. A couple of things again though about references: you might want to check ] I'm you're writing references out by hand, as there are tools which can help you do it for you. Regarding the quotes, I agree they are useful, but my concern was more about copyright issues, I'm not really sure about it, so I've dropped a note ] here where someone else should hopefully enlighten us. Finally, can you follow me round ] whenever I add a redlink? ] (]) 23:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::Thanks so much for the help/feedback on ], and I would be delighted to hound your redlinking looking for interesting places to make articles, such as ] which I have been plugging away at and would now like to think of a hook for. ]] 23:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No problem. I was going to say that the fact his textbook is still used was good, but then I noticed the picture which has appeared. Since sex sells, especially at DYK, how about: ... that the German ] ''']''' studied ]? One thing you could do, is to cite the "The Great Soviet Encyclopedia, 3rd Edition (1970-1979)" rather than thefreedictionary.com since this is the original source of the text. This: {{cite book|author=Arnold Reisman|title=Turkey's modernization: refugees from Nazism and Atatürk's vision|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=coks7vEqZT8C&pg=PA78|accessdate=27 January 2011|year=2006|publisher=New Academia Publishing, LLC|isbn=9780977790883|pages=78–}} looks as if it has some good extra details in too. I'm quite a fan of redlinks so you might have trouble keeping up, feel free to dip into the unstriked bits of my ] though if you want - it always seems to get longer, rather than shorter! ] (]) 23:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
<---Love that idea, how about if YOU nominate it at DYK so that you get credit too, after all you did think up the hook. Maybe even a double fact, " ... that the German ] ''']''', whose 1931 book remains a popular reference, studied ]?" ]] 23:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:I can if you like, but I'm not too bothered about the badge, regardless, it'll have to be tomorrow if I do. What would be really good though, is if we could find out whether his text book has anything about smut in it, but I don't think we're going to find that unfortunately (it's a good thing that it isn't a ] too). ] (]) 00:27, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
::You don't need no steenking badges? Maybe some day I will feel that way too. Still waiting for my first DYK to get queued up--does one get any wikiboxbadgegoldstarotherthing when that really happens? ]] 01:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, they start to clutter up pages eventually... That's a nice first DYK btw, good to start with an odd one. I'm afraid that there are no stars involved yet, only an orange box. ] (]) 12:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
::::An orange box? I am delighted to get an orange box! We Sharktopi are pretty indiscriminate in our enthusiasm for unconsidered trifles. In more mature comment, Moonriddengirl notified me about policy on long quotes, so I have been going back to my earlier contributions and cleaning up what I did in ignorance. ]] 15:50, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Thats good then. I saw MRG's note as well - she is the queen of copyright and I'm glad she could advise. ] (]) 16:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
<--I submitted ] and listed you as a coauthor so , no, you can't review it. Trying to figure out whether to drop the picture or not. ]] 22:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


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==Graffiti in New York==
::Draft:Gaetano Minale
I was going to pull it out, but stopped: the article is rewritten, with better refs and 8400 bytes of prose which is close to 5x expansion of split content. It might be less, but I don't want to get harsh on PFHLai and Piotrus, both of whom do so much positive here. PFHLai is an old-time admin and his promotion silently means he verified and backs up the promotion. Is it Ok with you if I just write a message to them and you withdraw ] thread. Your call is not incorrect, its just the situation is not to be solved by drastic measures. ] (]) 00:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Gaetano_Minale?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2Z1Vtbyj8PMLl1DvZY3qe6171Ip6gmg4yq01CoHyqyPF7khDzAsbqX3K8_aem_AcUwDQKUwi9Pp013CvPEbvWvHXy8TTBAZTtjVmdElZRpeSE8EJnxLYszk7rAPzMzf1GRcADYfZ4hVT7_3mx0i7RB ] (]) 15:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
:Ok then. Would be nice if you withdraw your ] post (moving it to ] or any other talk is fine). This post would urge a main-page admin to go check, but realistically, such things are not decided there. Again, your comment is very valid and I'll get to the authors, its just the situation .. ] (]) 00:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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::I've started learning wikipedia only after RFA :) Don't hesitate to ask then. To this case: I've briefly talked to Piotrus, and its none of his fault - he was Ok to drop the nom and did not mean to be rude at T:TYK. PFHLai promoted it regardless, and I left your post at WP:ERRORS mainly for him. Anyway, he promoted it, taking responsibility for lacking expansion, it is a valid decision, and he is a hard-working DYK and main page admin (making mistakes too, as all of us). Thus I am pretty sure I shouldn't pull it off, but you will find your way. I am also sure PFHLai won't wheelwar on this, but some other admin could. Such things are decided by consensus. Cheers. ] (]) 10:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Re: DYK error ==


== Cleaning up Geoffrey von Maltzahn article ==
I hope my comment at the T:TDYK regarding the review was not uncivil in any way. I think you are doing a good job reviewing and helping out! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 17:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


Hello, ]. I'm trying to clean up the ] article, as he's a partner at the firm I work for, ]. Given my COI, I won't be editing the article directly and will instead make requests for editors to review.
:No, I didn't think that at all, I was just a bit surprised when I saw the article about to get to the main page when I thought that I had said it shouldn't but it's not biggee. And thanks - you've reminded me I need to get over there and do some work! ] (]) 17:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


I see that you added the flag to the article (alerting readers that it "may require cleanup to comply with Misplaced Pages's content policies") back in June 2023. As such, I'm hoping you can help me with my first request, which I've posted on the article's . I'm proposing that the Awards and recognitions section be removed entirely. To me, this feels like the most potentially promotional part of the page and a good place to start.
== 100+/0/meh ==


I would be grateful if you could review the request and let me know what you think. Many thanks. ] (]) 01:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Is it too early to congratulate you? You broke 100 supports, have no opposes, and no neutrals leaning on oppose. You've had the cleanest sailing since Panyd's RfA. Here's to hoping you don't have any skeletons in your closet and don't decide to burn down Misplaced Pages before the RfA closes, otherwise it'd make this message look silly. Otherwise, congratulations! ] ] 03:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, I don't have any skeletons lurking AFAIK. Btw, the is best. I promise to never try and turn flash animations of mine into .gifs, I fear that would really mess with your browser! ] (]) 11:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
::You think we'll get to 200? Hey, who are you going to block first with your new tools? ;) ] (]) 15:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm not holding my breath to 200 - :( I can practice my aim on you if you like Dr. but ]{{'}}s been really getting on my nerves, so I think they'll be the first to feel the hammer. ] (]) 17:12, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, I'd better do it whilst listening to youtube.com/watch?v=RLZOXw6RUqE as well. ] (]) 17:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I love that album. Yeah, that dude, pure vandalism, and an SPA of course--and how productive ? You know what, it's probably a sock. Get CU clearance and go fishing. Not that that's allowed, of course, but reads your talk page anyway. I'm just a peon, and I easily. Hasta la vista! ] (]) 19:19, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It's a good one - think it was one of my first CDs... youtube.com/watch?v=PNB59TG8Ic0 might be more appropriate for now though. Ever heard anything from this side of the pond? Try ?v=AUZlH7N-24I I know - think I'll start a thread at ANI, there's only so many blocks that can be given before a ban is in order. You have a good point, but per edit, I have more views :D We best be careful or we may get ]. How about finding me a useful link so I can learn about comma usage? ] (]) 19:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
<--Which commas--British or American? I believe in the ] and have a hard time refraining from introducing them to BE articles. (BE does not always believe in no. 3), but note no. 4: that's one of the most common comma errors I see in WP articles, with no. 9 probably in second place. ]? I left hip hop alone after Ice-T joined SVU, but it sounds pretty good. Thanks, ] (]) 21:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:Bluhhhh - it was bad enough when I just had one version of English to use! I do quite like serial commas though actually, but I tend to just follow my instinct rather than any rules. So if I write "In June 2010" should I put a comma before "such and such happened" or not? There ain't much decent hip-hop being made now, you decided to call it a day at a good time! Tell you something completely different worth listening too: '']'' by the same people who bought us ] (well, sort of - you would ''never'' know it). ] (]) 22:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


:Hello again, ]. I've posted another request on the article's that I'm hoping you can look at. I took a stab at trimming down the Career section by removing superfluous details and focusing only on the most notable moments in his career, particularly those that have received ample media coverage. Please let me know what you think. ] (]) 19:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
==Simon Higgins==


== Blmmta ==
‘Basically, we would need to have published book reviews and ideally an article written about your writing by a newspaper or magazine.’


Hi Smartse, nice work on Rotmans. If you still remember you blocked {{userlinks|Blmmta}} as they were accepting paid jobs on Upwork but were not disclosing them on Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately, they were wrongly tagged as a sock of ]. It is very clear now that ] and ] were operated by the same person - could you please revisit their Upwork profile (or I can provide again) so you can easily verify this? It is important to rename Sjutt SPI as Blmmta, so we can have 30 October 2023 as the cutt-off date for speedy deletion. There is a lot of spam to clean up. Thanks for your efforts. ] (]) 17:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
...thank you so much for that helpful response. Below please find a selection of what (I hope) you need, which I am sure you’ll have no problem verifying as to sources. My apologies that some of the on-line posted reviews are (like many literature industry sites) on clusters that require a subscriber or visitor log-in, but I imagine that some of your editors or researchers will have member access anyway, as it’s where many oft-quoted Twilight and Harry Potter reviews, for instance, get farmed from. All the hardcopy newspaper and magazine reviews quoted should be easily confirmable by presscom search or from each paper’s/magazine’s own archives.
:{{re|87.200.126.222}} Sure email me at <username>wiki@gmail.com and I will take a look. ] (]) 18:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks again and warmest wishes...and apologies for the size of the below infodump. :)


== COI at ]? ==
Simon Higgins
www.simonhiggins.net {{unsigned|Literati666}}


I noticed that some years ago, you tag to ], which remains there to this day, with the edit summary, "coi - written entirely by single purpose accounts". I assume you refer there to ], ], and perhaps the still-active ]. I am contemplating pursuing the COI issue, and wanted to know your thoughts, and specifically if these edits were the ones you had in mind. While I don't know that it is fair to say that it was ''entirely'' written by SPAs, I would agree that the initial formation of this article raises questions. ] ] 13:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hi Simon, I've moved what you placed on my talk page to ] for the moment. I'll try to look at it later and let you know if you meet our ]. ] (]) 11:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


:{{Re|BD2412}} That was perhaps a little over exaggerated of me, but confirm that the majority of the content was written by close-to-SPAs. {{userlinks|JoMarch868}} is another account and {{la|Katherine Oliver}} is also in a horrendously promotional state and another SPA did initially disclose a COI: . {{userlinks|Blackbird68}} is another account with a singular interest in Bloomberg-related articles but who denied a COI. ] (]) 14:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
::I've had a look, but I'm not entirely sure if the more specific ] is met, or the alternative ] as I think we need articles about ''you'' rather than just your books. Sorry that I got that wrong yesterday, I'll see if I can find someone who knows more about these things to double check. ] (]) 21:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:: Yeah, it's pretty blatant. I'm surprised the Philanthropies article is so choppily written, for all of that effort. ] ] 15:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


== Vizhinjam International Seaport Thiruvananthapuram ==
==Simon Higgins==
Hi again Smartse. Sorry if I dumped all that data in the wrong spot, and for not signing my last correspondence with the four tildes - forgot, bit of a luddite I'm afraid. :) Will work on that.
Just to clarify; the articles I cited for you ARE about me, my life, work history, passions, philosophy etc, but -understandably of course as writing is my main claim to media coverage- also mention or variously discuss aspects of one or more of my books to one degree or another. I guess it's a case of try finding an article about Stephen King, for instance, that verifies his former teaching career but doesn't mention at least one of his books or film deals, it's that kind of intrinsic connection. If it would help you, there are also (earlier) newspaper articles about me either in my capacity as a Police Prosecutor or as a private investigator (by then an ex-policeman) which don't mention my writing career (as it hadn't started at the time). One example, with a photograph, is 'Courting a New View of the Defence' (Headline) 'By his own admission, Simon Higgins has crossed the fence' (jockey quote): The Adelaide Advertiser, Monday, November 14th, 1994, page 6.
I could also send you scannings of the articles themselves, if this would help clarify by way of showing the actual content.
It also wouldn't be a problem finding an interested (professional) volunteer to write, or at least start, the article itself if that would save you assigning the task, as there are publishers, publicists, agents etc. who would happily do it..my only concerns are that a. I don't want to write it myself, and b. whoever does, gets it right this time from the beginning, and hence wastes no more editorial time on your behalf.
If it's of any assistance, various short biographies of me exist online on my publisher's WebPages, in their author biog sections, i.e.
Random House http://www.randomhouse.com.au/Author/Higgins,%20Simon
Little Brown in the US http://www.hachettebookgroup.com/kids_authors_Simon-Higgins-%281527701%29.htm
Pulp Fiction Press http://www.pulpfictionpress.com.au/tomodachi/simon.htm
Please let me know if there are any other resources you need.
Thanks again, I really appreciate your ongoing help. :)
Simon ] (]) 06:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
www.simonhiggins.net


:Subject: Request for Reinstatement of Removed Content with Clarifications


:Dear Editor,


:Regarding to your recent edits on the vizhinjam port page, where you removed certain details related to nearby road and rail information, as well as the shipping distance details.
==Free Studio==
:Firstly, I'd like to clarify that the nearby road and rail information that was provided is factual and verifiable. According to Misplaced Pages's guidelines, not every statement requires a direct citation, especially when the information pertains to basic, non-controversial facts, such as geographic data that can be easily verified through common knowledge or public resources. Therefore, the removal of this information may not have been necessary.
:Secondly, regarding the shipping distance details that were also removed, this information was based on calculations provided by the Marine Traffic calculator, a widely used tool in the maritime industry. While I understand the need for reliable sourcing, I believe a more appropriate approach would have been to request a source for this information rather than removing it entirely. Misplaced Pages encourages editors to improve content rather than delete it when the information is potentially useful and verifiable.
:I would appreciate it if you put tags for giving editors time to provide the necessary information rather than just removing the whole contented. :If you have any question let me know.
:Thank you for your time
:Best regards,
:Hobby Writerae ] (]) 14:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{re|Hobbywriterae}} I am afraid you are mistaken if you think that information does not require a citation - everything has to be verifiable from published sources. Unless sources have made a comparison about this and other ports, then our article should not either. ] and if they are absent anyone else is free to remove content. Please do not revert edits without providing a policy-based reason for doing so. The article is still a complete mess and needs substantial clean up to make it compliant with core principles of Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 10:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)


== Recreating a previously deleted page ==
Hi, Smartse! i've written an article about ]. It has been given a tag "advert" and "coi" recently.
I've made several changes in the article and want to let you know about it. If you consider any statements as not neutral, could you point me to them?
I also consider the "coi" tab inappropriate as the article highlights both pros and cons of this software. Most (but not all) wikipedia articles about software do not cover both aspects. I would be very glad to receive your piece of advice on this matter. Thanks and have a good day! ] (]) 19:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


Hello Smartse, you deleted a page (Osagie Elliot) almost a year and some months, however overtime the subject has done so much more that is enough to establish notability, he was nominated for Emmy award for his role in developing and executive producing a revolutionary Metaverse concert experience, so I wanted to inform you, though there are more sources established since the last deletion, Thank you ] (]) 12:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{ec}}Hi Noelle, thanks for your note. The reason I tagged it is because it doesn't look like an encyclopedia article at the moment. It looks more like a product specification which is why I tagged it as an advert. are an improvement, but one major thing that needs working on is turning the bullet points into ]. The COI tag is appropriate at the moment, since you appear to have a COI and are so far the main contributor and it needs to be throughly reviewed before removing the tag. I'm a bit concerned that the parts that are not referenced are based on ] too, which isn't permissable. Unless certain features have been mentioned in the reviews, it would be best to remove them from the programs list - this is something much better dealt with at the FS website, rather than here. It would also be good if you could follow the tips that Fleet Command left on your talk page. I will try to look at it in more detail soon and do some more clean up, but if you can try it would be good. ] (]) 20:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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:::: It would be great to recover an old article in some way and see its debates and the contents. It will cleap up the issue. Thanks ] (]) 21:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


Hello ],
::::: That'll have to be left to an admin for the moment. ] (]) 21:35, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


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::Do you have any familiarity with this editor, Dmitry Bobriakov? They are a new editor, having made only 40 edits, but they state they are part of a COI patrol which I've never heard of. I see they quickly responded here and wondered what your opinion might be. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 01:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
:::{{re|Liz}} Sorry about the delay. I don't have much familiarity with them other than seeing their various posts. From what they've said, I think they were finding the jobs on ]. Maybe I'm too cynical, but it is most likely they are a rival UPE which is how they know which articles are affected. with the cat and mouse of UPE, now most adverts there for articles are private, so only those who bid for them would know which articles are affected. That said I haven't looked into these articles on there, so they could also be public. ] (]) 21:21, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Sorry to read such comments when you don't really know the reality. Everything I label is publicly available, and I spend a lot of time analyzing everything to identify all these irregularities. Once what I'm doing is not useful, you can tell me directly, instead of blaming me for things that don't concern me. ] (]) 18:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Dmitry Bobriakov}} Like I said I was being cynical, but that is definitely a pattern that myself and others have noted when new users appear and jump straight into reporting paid editing. That wasn't meant to offend you and I apologise if it did. I don't care who anyone here is so long as spam is being removed! Happy hunting! ] (]) 23:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::@] It only remains for me to prove to you throughout my editing that you have got the wrong impression!
::::::I'm a new editor at the number of edits, but as mentioned I used to send messages to ''paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org'', but because the volunteers there are extremely busy I decided to do it directly (but before doing so I followed all the examples and familiarized myself with how to correctly do the whole process). Thank you, certainly no offended. I hope to connect us to other new joint works! ] (]) 16:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@] Once you're available you can review this article ], it has been updated by an editor who apparently hasn't disclosed that possible to be paid. And his . Thanks! ] (]) 16:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)


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that ] with whom we are both acquainted from ] is appealing his topic ban at ]. I see a bunch of involved editors were notified, but apparently only those who participated in his ANI ban discussion. ] (]) 06:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


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:Cheers for the note. I'd already noticed it and the ANI thread, but everything looks as if it is being taken care of, so I think they can do with out my $0.02. ] (]) 10:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


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Hi, I see you've recently been active at the article for Mark Kotter.
== Ebionites sources page ==


I wonder if there's any chance of you taking any admin action against the promo-only/COI/UPE/SPA user who created that article and the one for Kotter's company Bit.bio?
For what it might be worth, a review of the article talk page will reveal that when I copied only what I considered the "essential" information, Ovadyah challenged it on the basis that he assumed I was misrepresenting the sources, and not including information supporting Tabor and others. It was only thereafter that I made it word for word on the encyclopediac articles. Even there, however, Ovadyah challenged them. Had there been a reasonable and I think policy and guideline based response to that information, the page would have already been deleted, because the reliable sources would have been recognized as such. FWIW, I myself find the article to be comparatively unimportant in and of itself - however, there is to my eyes very clear evidence that at least one other editor is using it for soapboxing purposes. Having said all that, I personally expect the information to be deleted myself upon resolution of the existing problem. I am still however curious how Ovadyah, whose request for input on the Eisenman material first drew my attention to the article, is now supporting the inclusion of that information, even though there have been no independent ''reliable'' sources as per ] which support him, and at least one or two which clearly say his theories have been rejected. However, I do agree that there does seem to be no interest in addressing these matters on the part of others, whether they can produce evidence supporting their material or not, and think that if the mediation goes nowhere, I may be forced to take other, perhaps more effective, measures. If that is the case, one way or another, I could probably use the restored page as evidence. Please note that I have asked Michael and Ovadyah for any evidence supporting their material repeatedly, and they have yet to produce any indepenent RS which support Eisenman or Tabor since their publication. One would think, if the theories were creditable, there would be such, at least I would think so. Anyway, please feel free to act as you see fit. ] (]) 22:08, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:This is a preposterous accusation. I never accused John Carter of misrepresenting anything, whereas he recently took me to COIN (archived with no action taken). Let's see some diffs to prove it. But all that is beside the point. There is clearly a copyright violation at ] that needs to be cleaned up. Please take care of it. Thanks. ] (]) 00:17, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks for your reply John, there is obviously a reason that you've collected the sources, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a copyright violation. I'd prefer for you to do it yourself since it is in your userspace and ideally revdel it too, but if you don't then I will have to myself. Your dispute is way beyond me I'm afraid, but it is reasonably clear that there is no obvious COI in the sense that the guideline is written. I suggest you seek some form of dispute resolution where you will hopefully find someone more experienced in such matters. ] (]) 10:49, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


The user's history of disruptive editing and UPE is clear from their userpage and the connected thread at COIN, here .
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I'd be grateful for your thoughts on the present situation.
Could you be more specefic about what you need from ] or if you still need it?] (]) 03:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:I can't really be more specific unfortunately. To be honest though, it looks as if now his autobio has been released, the same information could be found more easily in there. I'll strike through the REX request. ] (]) 10:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


Kind regards, ] (]) 19:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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I have done a merger between ] and ]. Please could you check to see if I have got it right. Is the "history" bit correct or have I captured the wrong URL? ] (]) 14:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Almost, but the link should show the edit where you made the merge (. If you go to the after the merge and select the version before and after and click compare, you'll get to the diff you need. ] (]) 14:50, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Right, I have done that. Thanks. ] (]) 18:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


:{{re|Axad12}} I'd seen the COIN thread but hadn't seen the offwiki evidence until I did a little research of my own. I see what you mean now and the various explanations they've provided appear to be lies. I'll block the account and keep an eye on the articles. The IPs should be autoblocked. ] (]) 20:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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::It's sad that someone would repeatedly attempt to gaslight others when the promotion was so obvious and the nature of their UPE so easily established.
Congratulations on ]. Someone will be along shortly to drop off a bucket. If you're lucky, you'll get a t-shirt too. Now go forth, and do good unto the wiki. –]] 15:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:Woop. Thanks for the pleasant comments everyone (I'm not gonna be thankspamming). ] (]) 15:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC) ::Best wishes and thanks again for your swift action, ] (]) 21:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Following recent goings on at the user's talk page, can I suggest that talk page action be revoked?
::129/0/1 is pretty impressive - ] -- ] (]) 16:04, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Regards, ] (]) 22:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Congratulations. Spill on aisle 5. Do you have your mop? {{=)|smile}}. - ''''']''''' (]) 16:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::In addition to the very uncivil post-block behaviour from the user (involving many aspersions against myself), the talk page access has also been used post-block in an attempt to {{tq|collaborate}} with an unblocked user, here .
:I had to dig around in my archives to find it, but her's your crappy t-shirt. :) Feel free to drop by my talk page if you need anything. ] &#124; ] 16:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Just a sample of the barrage of uncivil comments:
:Hey there...congrats! --<font face="Times">] ] ] ]</font></font></font> 16:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::{{tq|Your message reeks of arrogance, ignorance }}
::Congratulations on your new job! ] (]) 17:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::{{tq|your "evidence" is laughable}}
:::Congratulations from me as well. Feel free to borrow some code from my monobook, blocking is so much easier with a dropdown menu:) '']]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers''</span> 17:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::{{tq|you're just flinging baseless accusations}}
::::Woohoo! Now try out one of those civility blocks. The aftermath on ANI is great fun. If you like, I can insult you for real. All the best, ] (]) 18:20, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::{{tq|It's easy to make vague allegations, but hard to stand up to scrutiny when you're put on the spot, isn't it?}}
:::::Well done, and well deserved! ] (]) 05:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
::::{{tq|Misplaced Pages's policies aren't designed to be weaponized by people like you who clearly have an agenda}}
::::::Congrats!!!! --]] 08:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
::::{{tq|it's incredible how quickly people like you jump to conclusions}}
:::::::Thanks everyone. I've did some mopping yesterday and the main page is still intact! Now, who do I email my bank account details to, to set up the paycheck? ] (]) 10:26, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
::::{{tq|you clearly don't understand Misplaced Pages’s principles of fairness and due process. Do better.}}
::::::::Me me! Congrats, and if you need any mopping help/advice, drop me a line, along with your bank details. ]] 20:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
::::{{tq|It's ironic how you claim to be fighting against promotional abuse}}
:::::::::Congratulations! - just to let you know that I didn't !vote because I knew I wouldn't have too, but I was there all the time. I hope you'll stick around and continue to take an interest in the process that got you there. Best wishes, ] (]) 07:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Etc., etc. Clearly this is a user who is primarily using their talk page access to attack me rather than making a serious attempt to remove a block. ] (]) 04:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Axad12}} I don't think that's bad enough to revoke talk page access. I'd suggest that you just ignore it but I will keep an eye on it. ] (]) 08:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::No problem, I've been called far worse on Misplaced Pages. Far, far worse and it is all like water off a duck's back.
::::::Best wishes, ] (]) 08:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)


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:{{re|Smokefoot}} Thanks! That looks great for ] but is perhaps a little too complex for the ] article. I guess I didn't explain too well, but I was thinking of something showing how the Co2 is absorbed and the amine is then recycled, so co2 in at the top left, an amine cycle in the middle and co2 out the bottom right. Would it also be simpler if it used a generic amine? ] (]) 13:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:<nowiki>{{chem2|2 R2NH + CO2 <-> }}</nowiki>
:That eq is the CO2 capture chem for amines. ] (]) 14:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)


== "Two-hundred year source" ==
] 00:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
You asked me about the reliability of using a two-hundred year source in an edit made in the article ]. Yes, I can agree with you that it is usually best to find more up-to-date sources. With that said, general definitions of words can be taken from old and, sometimes, archaic sources. We do find on Misplaced Pages that there are more than 300 citations taken from the '']'', an encyclopedia written over 100 years ago. Moreover, on Misplaced Pages it is common to incorporate texts taken from old encyclopedias, such as in the entry , and that are now in the public domain and there is no concern about copyright issues. See, for example, ]. In short, my view is that if it's good, why not use it, particularly if modern word descriptions are convoluted or lacking in scope. Anyway, I will leave the matter to your own discretion. If you feel that the edit does not improve the article, I am fine with that. Be well.] (]) 01:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''One more thing:''' '']'' has been published for many, many years, and while we do not rely on old editions for information regarding medicine and modern scientific inventions, etc., I humbly submit that we can rely upon it for a definition of a word that has been in use for more than a thousand years.] (]) 06:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{re|Davidbena}} This belongs at ] really, but since you've started here lets continue for now, but if you disagree still, please post there. The problem isn't so much that the source is old, but that in the intervening time, the definition of botany has changed vastly. Back then it was indeed solely concerned with classification and utilisation. In the UK at least, nowadays, that form of science is restricted to botanical gardens and natural history museums, while plant sciences has replaced it in contemporary universities with a much wider scope - how plants function). There may be merit in defining botany and plant sciences separately, but I don't think there is a clear delineation between the two in the US, but regardless it's still not accurate to describe it as just "arranging, distinguishing, and naming all plants and vegetables". ] (]) 13:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you. Your words have convinced me. You're right. Botany entails many more things, as the science has evolved into "specialized" sciences relating to plants, their physical characteristics, their functions, their medicinal properties, their benefits to human civilizations, their relationship to the environment, etc., etc. I will not pursue this matter any further, but I will post a link of this discussion in the Talk Page at ]. Thank you for your patience.] (]) 14:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Draft:Janusirsasana

Hi @Smartse: Howdy. I sent this article to draft because it had two references which looked like spam links, basically linking to yoga site which is selling product. The editor states that Siddhasana and Virabhadrasana which are GA articles, and both use "yoga journal", which is a commercial site, journal. Its looks and reads like a spam link, and is seemingly selling product. It looks like a spam but he says its a reliable source. In the conversation the editor states they has been using the sites for a while. The GA reviewer on Siddhasana was blocked. is another commericial link to a shopping site. I think there is something dodgy here. scope_creep 19:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Greetings traveler on your journey through the realms of thought.

Kinda odd input here but I just wanted to express appreciation for all of your hard work on wikipeida. People like you are what make this phenomenon function appropriately.

Good luck on that relentless quest for effectively navigating this overwhelming mass of ever-increasing misinformation within our beloved interconnected global consciousness. But I digress, thanks again.

I hope the future continues to find you well. Taktixal (talk) 19:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment on Bogner

I would agree that this was not the most scintillating detail, but it's a short article on, frankly, a mostly trivial person. In the source, he discusses the curriculum, and while it is not clear whether he had a hand in designing that, he appears to be more involved than just showing up for the announcement. I have no strong feelings about this, but I don't see how it is a negative. BD2412 T 18:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

@BD2412: This would be better discussed on the talk page wouldn't it? Now that we've started though, my reading of the fairly low-quality source (essentially a mouthpiece for the Indonesian government) is that the article is about GISAIDs activities, rather than Bogner and he was representing them. It's already included in the GISAID article, so I don't see why such a run-of-the-mill activity merits inclusion in his biography too. And yes, I agree that he's not super notable, but that isn't a reason to try to plump up the article with trivial details. SmartSE (talk) 18:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
If you have concerns about the reliability of the source, I would suggest taking that up at WP:RSN. It is used as a source in hundreds of articles. If you want to remove all of the trivial details from this subject's article, there will be no article left. BD2412 T 18:58, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Concerns

Dear Smartse, I understand your reasons for removing the ANI post. Where should I forward the evidence privately? Vickyfoxx (talk) 14:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Vickyfoxx: I am forwarding it to WP:ARBCOM who are best placed to deal with it. SmartSE (talk) 14:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. I apologize if I posted in the wrong place and used a new account, but it's because I fear retaliation and harassment from these kinds of users. I myself don't want to out or harass anyone. I hope the Misplaced Pages community can look into this matter. Vickyfoxx (talk) 14:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Unblock question

please no one answers me I ask you how it is possible to be unblocked for Blocked Sochkpuppet Gaetano Minale ...... it's been seven years now, Thank you Gaetano Minale — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.12.180.196 (talk) 15:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Draft:Gaetano Minale
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Cleaning up Geoffrey von Maltzahn article

Hello, Smartse. I'm trying to clean up the Geoffrey von Maltzahn article, as he's a partner at the firm I work for, Flagship Pioneering. Given my COI, I won't be editing the article directly and will instead make requests for editors to review.

I see that you added the flag to the article (alerting readers that it "may require cleanup to comply with Misplaced Pages's content policies") back in June 2023. As such, I'm hoping you can help me with my first request, which I've posted on the article's Talk page. I'm proposing that the Awards and recognitions section be removed entirely. To me, this feels like the most potentially promotional part of the page and a good place to start.

I would be grateful if you could review the request and let me know what you think. Many thanks. Lindy D at Flagship (talk) 01:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, Smartse. I've posted another request on the article's Talk page that I'm hoping you can look at. I took a stab at trimming down the Career section by removing superfluous details and focusing only on the most notable moments in his career, particularly those that have received ample media coverage. Please let me know what you think. Lindy D at Flagship (talk) 19:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Blmmta

Hi Smartse, nice work on Rotmans. If you still remember you blocked Blmmta (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as they were accepting paid jobs on Upwork but were not disclosing them on Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately, they were wrongly tagged as a sock of User:Amansharma111. It is very clear now that Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Sjutt and User:Blmmta were operated by the same person - could you please revisit their Upwork profile (or I can provide again) so you can easily verify this? It is important to rename Sjutt SPI as Blmmta, so we can have 30 October 2023 as the cutt-off date for speedy deletion. There is a lot of spam to clean up. Thanks for your efforts. 87.200.126.222 (talk) 17:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@87.200.126.222: Sure email me at <username>wiki@gmail.com and I will take a look. SmartSE (talk) 18:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

COI at Bloomberg Philanthropies?

I noticed that some years ago, you added a COI tag to Bloomberg Philanthropies, which remains there to this day, with the edit summary, "coi - written entirely by single purpose accounts". I assume you refer there to User:MartinVanBurenNo8, User:Home3879, and perhaps the still-active User:Draper765. I am contemplating pursuing the COI issue, and wanted to know your thoughts, and specifically if these edits were the ones you had in mind. While I don't know that it is fair to say that it was entirely written by SPAs, I would agree that the initial formation of this article raises questions. BD2412 T 13:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@BD2412: That was perhaps a little over exaggerated of me, but the stats confirm that the majority of the content was written by close-to-SPAs. JoMarch868 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is another account and Katherine Oliver (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is also in a horrendously promotional state and another SPA did initially disclose a COI: . Blackbird68 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is another account with a singular interest in Bloomberg-related articles but who denied a COI. SmartSE (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, it's pretty blatant. I'm surprised the Philanthropies article is so choppily written, for all of that effort. BD2412 T 15:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Vizhinjam International Seaport Thiruvananthapuram

Subject: Request for Reinstatement of Removed Content with Clarifications
Dear Editor,
Regarding to your recent edits on the vizhinjam port page, where you removed certain details related to nearby road and rail information, as well as the shipping distance details.
Firstly, I'd like to clarify that the nearby road and rail information that was provided is factual and verifiable. According to Misplaced Pages's guidelines, not every statement requires a direct citation, especially when the information pertains to basic, non-controversial facts, such as geographic data that can be easily verified through common knowledge or public resources. Therefore, the removal of this information may not have been necessary.
Secondly, regarding the shipping distance details that were also removed, this information was based on calculations provided by the Marine Traffic calculator, a widely used tool in the maritime industry. While I understand the need for reliable sourcing, I believe a more appropriate approach would have been to request a source for this information rather than removing it entirely. Misplaced Pages encourages editors to improve content rather than delete it when the information is potentially useful and verifiable.
I would appreciate it if you put tags for giving editors time to provide the necessary information rather than just removing the whole contented. :If you have any question let me know.
Thank you for your time
Best regards,
Hobby Writerae Hobbywriterae (talk) 14:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
@Hobbywriterae: I am afraid you are mistaken if you think that information does not require a citation - everything has to be verifiable from published sources. Unless sources have made a comparison about this and other ports, then our article should not either. The onus is on editors adding information to provide reliable sources and if they are absent anyone else is free to remove content. Please do not revert edits without providing a policy-based reason for doing so. The article is still a complete mess and needs substantial clean up to make it compliant with core principles of Misplaced Pages. SmartSE (talk) 10:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Recreating a previously deleted page

Hello Smartse, you deleted a page (Osagie Elliot) almost a year and some months, however overtime the subject has done so much more that is enough to establish notability, he was nominated for Emmy award for his role in developing and executive producing a revolutionary Metaverse concert experience, so I wanted to inform you, though there are more sources established since the last deletion, Thank you Vector diehard (talk) 12:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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Minale

I don't suppose my view of the prospects of Draft:Gaetano Minale becoming a tolerable article is greatly different from yours; but I don't think that "Having been promoted so persistently at it:WP as to have been deleted and salted there" (or similar) is a valid deletion rationale here at en:WP. However, if you have evidence for UPE toward this draft, that's a different matter. -- Hoary (talk) 10:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Request for draft restoration of Andrew Osei-Karmen and CouponBirdss deleted under G11

Hello SmartSE,

I acknowledge that Andrew Osei-Karmen and CouponBirds was deleted under G11 (unambiguous promotion or advertising). I would like to request that the article be restored so I can rewrite it in accordance with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines and remove any promotional content.

This would allow me to improve the content without it being promotional and to meet Misplaced Pages's standards for neutrality and notability.

Thank you for your time and understanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdatpal (talk • contribs) 05:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Smartse, please block this editor who is obviously a WP:COI, all the articles he has worked on have a promotional purpose, the same has been indetified in the Spanish version where he repeatedly tries to remove the deletion tag and keep an article he was paid for. Thanks! Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Smartse,
Do you have any familiarity with this editor, Dmitry Bobriakov? They are a new editor, having made only 40 edits, but they state they are part of a COI patrol which I've never heard of. I see they quickly responded here and wondered what your opinion might be. Liz 01:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@Liz: Sorry about the delay. I don't have much familiarity with them other than seeing their various posts. From what they've said, I think they were finding the jobs on Upwork. Maybe I'm too cynical, but it is most likely they are a rival UPE which is how they know which articles are affected. with the cat and mouse of UPE, now most adverts there for articles are private, so only those who bid for them would know which articles are affected. That said I haven't looked into these articles on there, so they could also be public. SmartSE (talk) 21:21, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry to read such comments when you don't really know the reality. Everything I label is publicly available, and I spend a lot of time analyzing everything to identify all these irregularities. Once what I'm doing is not useful, you can tell me directly, instead of blaming me for things that don't concern me. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 18:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
@Dmitry Bobriakov: Like I said I was being cynical, but that is definitely a pattern that myself and others have noted when new users appear and jump straight into reporting paid editing. That wasn't meant to offend you and I apologise if it did. I don't care who anyone here is so long as spam is being removed! Happy hunting! SmartSE (talk) 23:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
@Smartse It only remains for me to prove to you throughout my editing that you have got the wrong impression!
I'm a new editor at the number of edits, but as mentioned I used to send messages to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org, but because the volunteers there are extremely busy I decided to do it directly (but before doing so I followed all the examples and familiarized myself with how to correctly do the whole process). Thank you, certainly no offended. I hope to connect us to other new joint works! Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 16:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
@Smartse Once you're available you can review this article Nava Mau, it has been updated by an editor who apparently hasn't disclosed that possible to be paid. And his talk page indicates that he has in the past edited articles for which he was paid. Thanks! Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 16:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

October 2024

Hi. I see that you reverted some of my edits, because they were a "BLP vio". I apologise for the inconvenience. I reverted my incorrect edits. But there's plenty of times when I edit Misplaced Pages, that I just have no idea what I'm doing. It's really important when you're editing Misplaced Pages, make sure what you're doing. Electrou (formerly Susbush) (talk) 11:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for edit warring. Electrou (formerly Susbush) (talk) 12:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Mephedrone

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Mark Kotter / Bit.bio

Hi, I see you've recently been active at the article for Mark Kotter.

I wonder if there's any chance of you taking any admin action against the promo-only/COI/UPE/SPA user who created that article and the one for Kotter's company Bit.bio?

The user's history of disruptive editing and UPE is clear from their userpage and the connected thread at COIN, here .

I'd be grateful for your thoughts on the present situation.

Kind regards, Axad12 (talk) 19:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Axad12: I'd seen the COIN thread but hadn't seen the offwiki evidence until I did a little research of my own. I see what you mean now and the various explanations they've provided appear to be lies. I'll block the account and keep an eye on the articles. The IPs should be autoblocked. SmartSE (talk) 20:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Many thanks for this, much appreciated.
It's sad that someone would repeatedly attempt to gaslight others when the promotion was so obvious and the nature of their UPE so easily established.
Best wishes and thanks again for your swift action, Axad12 (talk) 21:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Following recent goings on at the user's talk page, can I suggest that talk page action be revoked?
Regards, Axad12 (talk) 22:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
In addition to the very uncivil post-block behaviour from the user (involving many aspersions against myself), the talk page access has also been used post-block in an attempt to collaborate with an unblocked user, here .
Just a sample of the barrage of uncivil comments:
Your message reeks of arrogance, ignorance
your "evidence" is laughable
you're just flinging baseless accusations
It's easy to make vague allegations, but hard to stand up to scrutiny when you're put on the spot, isn't it?
Misplaced Pages's policies aren't designed to be weaponized by people like you who clearly have an agenda
it's incredible how quickly people like you jump to conclusions
you clearly don't understand Misplaced Pages’s principles of fairness and due process. Do better.
It's ironic how you claim to be fighting against promotional abuse
Etc., etc. Clearly this is a user who is primarily using their talk page access to attack me rather than making a serious attempt to remove a block. Axad12 (talk) 04:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@Axad12: I don't think that's bad enough to revoke talk page access. I'd suggest that you just ignore it but I will keep an eye on it. SmartSE (talk) 08:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
No problem, I've been called far worse on Misplaced Pages. Far, far worse and it is all like water off a duck's back.
Best wishes, Axad12 (talk) 08:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:COI

The COI template's documentation includes (highlighting per original):

Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start a discussion, any editor will be justified in removing the tag without warning...

Simply positing a link to a COIN entry on the talk page does not meet that requirement.

In any case, the template on Mark Kotter is redundant to the more specific UPE template,Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Citations added

I have added citations to high-yielding variety. (Just for your information; thanks for telling me!) 122.176.122.147 (talk) 04:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Request for assistance at COIN

Hi, I wonder if you might be able to assist with the following thread at COIN . An IP user who has previously claimed to be the current Isle of Man Minister for Education, Sport and Culture (which includes tourism) has been regularly editing articles on museums and heritage railways on the Isle of Man, sometimes in a highly promotional way. They also seem to have a sideline in vandalism to (non Isle of Man related) articles. Under normal circumstances the user would, I think, be blocked - but given that it's an IP I wonder what you think would be an appropriate way forwards? Axad12 (talk) 14:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Axad12: Commented there. SmartSE (talk) 16:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

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Merge discussion at Winter fuel payment abolition backlash

Hallo, although you replied to a comment at Talk:Winter fuel payment abolition backlash#Merge proposal you didn't make an explicit comment for or against the merge. It would help clairfy the consensus if you could do so. I'm thinking of listing this at Misplaced Pages:Closure requests#Other types of closing requests to get it settled. PamD 09:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@PamD: Thanks for the reminder! SmartSE (talk) 09:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025

Hello Smartse , warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. May your heart and home be filled with all of the joys the festive season brings. Here is a toast to a Merry Christmas and prosperous New Year!. 

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Check it out

CO2-catalyzed degradation of ethanolamine

--Smokefoot (talk) 23:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Smokefoot: Thanks! That looks great for Amine gas treating but is perhaps a little too complex for the carbon capture and storage article. I guess I didn't explain too well, but I was thinking of something showing how the Co2 is absorbed and the amine is then recycled, so co2 in at the top left, an amine cycle in the middle and co2 out the bottom right. Would it also be simpler if it used a generic amine? SmartSE (talk) 13:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
{{chem2|2 R2NH + CO2 <-> }}
That eq is the CO2 capture chem for amines. Smokefoot (talk) 14:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

"Two-hundred year source"

You asked me about the reliability of using a two-hundred year source in an edit made in the article Botany. Yes, I can agree with you that it is usually best to find more up-to-date sources. With that said, general definitions of words can be taken from old and, sometimes, archaic sources. We do find on Misplaced Pages that there are more than 300 citations taken from the The Nuttall Encyclopædia, an encyclopedia written over 100 years ago. Moreover, on Misplaced Pages it is common to incorporate texts taken from old encyclopedias, such as in the entry Incense (Jewish Encyclopedia, 1906), and that are now in the public domain and there is no concern about copyright issues. See, for example, Hedyot (rabbinic term)#References. In short, my view is that if it's good, why not use it, particularly if modern word descriptions are convoluted or lacking in scope. Anyway, I will leave the matter to your own discretion. If you feel that the edit does not improve the article, I am fine with that. Be well.Davidbena (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

One more thing: Encyclopaedia Britannica has been published for many, many years, and while we do not rely on old editions for information regarding medicine and modern scientific inventions, etc., I humbly submit that we can rely upon it for a definition of a word that has been in use for more than a thousand years.Davidbena (talk) 06:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
@Davidbena: This belongs at Talk:Botany really, but since you've started here lets continue for now, but if you disagree still, please post there. The problem isn't so much that the source is old, but that in the intervening time, the definition of botany has changed vastly. Back then it was indeed solely concerned with classification and utilisation. In the UK at least, nowadays, that form of science is restricted to botanical gardens and natural history museums, while plant sciences has replaced it in contemporary universities with a much wider scope - how plants function). There may be merit in defining botany and plant sciences separately, but I don't think there is a clear delineation between the two in the US, but regardless it's still not accurate to describe it as just "arranging, distinguishing, and naming all plants and vegetables". SmartSE (talk) 13:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you. Your words have convinced me. You're right. Botany entails many more things, as the science has evolved into "specialized" sciences relating to plants, their physical characteristics, their functions, their medicinal properties, their benefits to human civilizations, their relationship to the environment, etc., etc. I will not pursue this matter any further, but I will post a link of this discussion in the Talk Page at Botany. Thank you for your patience.Davidbena (talk) 14:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)