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	== Recent changes ==

	Jijutsuguy, I object to your changes you made to the infobox, you removed that its internationally recognized as Syrian territory occupied by Israel. Both these two facts belongs in the infobox. Per , we should represent the worldview. "The international community maintains that the Israeli decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan is null and void and without international legal effect" Or this GA vote about "occupied Syrian Golan", 161-1 "the United States considers the Golan Heights to be occupied territory subject to negotiation and Israeli withdrawal" . EU: . Arab League: Amnesty International:

	The only alternative would be to just state the fact that its "Syrian territory occupied by Israel" and skipping the "internationally recognized as".

	And about the International view in the article, you changed "the international community", to "many states". This is not presenting it correctly, "many states" could be 60%. "International community" better represents the facts. See the sources above. You also added "compatible with international law." without adding any new source. You also removed "while Syria doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist." which changes the meaning of the sentence. And that the IC "consider Israel a belligerent occupant of the territory." is important. The sentence here: better represents the situation. --] (]) 17:21, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

	== Ford and Carter ==

	I removed the Jimmy Carter democratic candidate position and "Ford letter" section for several reasons.

	Personal views of individual people that aren't from the country the area is part of or the country that occupies it, has no significance or importance to the topic. Carters irrelevant believes are also contradicted by what he says in his book today where he says in: "" on p 175-176: "Syria's Golan Heights"

	Concerning the "Ford letter", Its about a letter that one former US president sent 36 years ago, the claims that it has been renewed by U.S. administrations after are only found in JCPA sources, which are not reliable, and other advocacy websites. And the only thing said is: "'''would give 'great weight''' to Israel's position that any peace agreement with Syria must be predicated on Israel remaining on the Golan Heights", a Ford letter 36 years ago about "would give 'great weight", does not deserve its own section in this article.

			== Proportion occupied by Israel ==
	Also this Edgar S. Marshall source has its own section about the official US position: "United States policy toward the Golan Heights has remained constant since June 1967: first, that the Golan Heights is occupied territory subject to U.N. Resolution 242 and the principle of exchanging territory for peace", "the United States does not recognize Israels 1981 unilateral action annexation of the Golan" There is much more in the source.

			The article says 2/3 occupied by Israel. The accompanying map, with its thin line just east of the occupied area, seems to show a tiny strip remaining under Syrian control and around 90% occupied. Either the map is misleading, or it is wrong, or (I suppose less likely) the 2/3 is wrong. I hope someone can fix the map. ] (]) 04:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
	And this is the official US position from the Congressional Research Service, from 2002: "the United States considers the Golan Heights to be occupied territory subject to negotiation '''and Israeli withdrawal'''" .

			:I was just going to post about this since we see this, "Following the 2024 Syrian opposition offensives Israel occupied the remaining one third of the area." The map needs updating to reflect the full locations with Israelis present. ] (]) 19:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
	And the US view is one country of 200 countries. It does not deserve its own section. Specially not a section about a 36 year old letter without having today's US position. --] (]) 17:36, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

	== ~~Translation~~ ==		== Lede too long ==

			Lede is a summary of the body and should be ideally four well-composed paragraphs. The recent additions, especially to the last lede paragraph, has turned it into a bloated live blog instead of an encyclopaedic entry. ] (]) 16:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
	Two users have recently changed to placement of the names here:

			:Agreed. I've edited the last paragraph already. Can we summarise some of the history? ] (]) 15:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
	These changes have been made without explanation or discussion. This is a place internationally recognized as in Syria, Syria's official language is Arabic, so that should come before any other. --] (]) 17:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
			::I've taken a stab at the history too. See what you think? ] (]) 15:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Better now, the second lede paragraph still needs trimming, specifically avoiding the hyperfocus on ancient civilizations. ] (]) 08:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::Agreed. Any better now? We could remove the ] too, if you'd prefer. ] (]) 10:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Much better, thanks. Very pleasantly readable now. ] (]) 10:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

	== ~~Biblical~~ ~~occurrences in lead~~ ==		== Edit request ==

			I think it would be more accurate to say “eastern '''third'''” instead of “eastern half” in the following sentence: {{blockquote\|From 2012 to 2018, the eastern '''half''' of the Golan Heights became a scene of repeated battles…}} ] (]) 06:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	Biblical occurrences are not history, should not be in lead.--] (]) 17:44, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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Proportion occupied by Israel

The article says 2/3 occupied by Israel. The accompanying map, with its thin line just east of the occupied area, seems to show a tiny strip remaining under Syrian control and around 90% occupied. Either the map is misleading, or it is wrong, or (I suppose less likely) the 2/3 is wrong. I hope someone can fix the map. Zaslav (talk) 04:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I was just going to post about this since we see this, "Following the 2024 Syrian opposition offensives Israel occupied the remaining one third of the area." The map needs updating to reflect the full locations with Israelis present. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Lede too long

Lede is a summary of the body and should be ideally four well-composed paragraphs. The recent additions, especially to the last lede paragraph, has turned it into a bloated live blog instead of an encyclopaedic entry. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. I've edited the last paragraph already. Can we summarise some of the history? Lewisguile (talk) 15:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I've taken a stab at the history too. See what you think? Lewisguile (talk) 15:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Better now, the second lede paragraph still needs trimming, specifically avoiding the hyperfocus on ancient civilizations. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Any better now? We could remove the WP:SEAOFBLUE too, if you'd prefer. Lewisguile (talk) 10:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Much better, thanks. Very pleasantly readable now. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

I think it would be more accurate to say “eastern third” instead of “eastern half” in the following sentence:

From 2012 to 2018, the eastern half of the Golan Heights became a scene of repeated battles…

EditVerifier (talk) 06:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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