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== Pronunciation == == IP edit ==


Dear IP,
Barack (pronounced "baratsk")
Shouldn’t this be ''borotsk'' or something similar? Proper IPA would be better, of course, and the pronunciation hint should probably also be moved to the intro sentence. —] (]) 02:59, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


please engage yourself better with the talk page rather than bullying others with unprofessional explanations. This article is not about the Romanian Pălincă, which is anyway mentioned in the lead as a similar product (I even moved the source there), no need twice to explain the same, anyway.(] (]) 17:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC))
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== first sentence is untrue ==
The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''. '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 15:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


first sentence indicates that pálinka is called stamesz or stampedli in hungarian, which is untrue. pálinka is called pálinka in hungarian, stampedli/stamesz is only used as a slang. ] (]) 03:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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== Pronunciation ==


Just reverted a change in pronunciation someone made who either doesn’t know Hungarian or doesn’t really know English. Either way, barack is *not* “barazk” but “baratsk”. The previous version was correct. ] (]) 02:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


== Alternates in other countries ==
] → {{no redirect|1=Pálinka}} — <small>'''Relisted'''</small> ] (]) 22:39, 19 January 2011 (UTC) This is a Hungarian short drink, a Hungaricum, The name is protected by EU. See: ] ] (]) 17:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


In the intro, why is Romania given an additional parenthetical reference to Transylvania? It is a link to the history of Transylvania and doesn't give any context on why this is being uniquely referred to, while none of the other countries do. Is there something specific in the History of Transylvania page that is relevant? Or is it not referred to or consumed in Romania outside of Transylvania? This just seems like an unnecessary link with no clear purpose, but I wanted to give a chance for some explanation or better understanding before deleting, in case an edit with more details is more appropriate.
*'''Support'''. The diacritic does absolutely no harm, and under ] should simply be adopted. This move might even be a step towards making this a general guideline on diacritics, thus simplifying several other guidelines and avoiding many time-wasting controversies. ] (]) 21:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' unless evidence is given that the accent is used in English preferentially over the unaccented form. Legal documents do not make common usage. ] (]) 22:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
::*A google book search shows about equal use. An ] strengthens the case for using "Pálinka", to make clear the article is about the specific brandy as defined by law, and not any old fruit alcohol.<sup><small><font color="green">]</font></small></sup> <font color="green">]</font><sup><small> <font color="green">]</font></small></sup> 17:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Palinka is now a naturalised English word and in English it is spelled without a diacritic. -- ] (]) 03:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
*Tentative '''oppose'''. We already have a general guideline on diacritics, ie, use them when they are used by English language reliable sources. ]. Evidence of usage is what is needed to make the argument here. ] (]) 17:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
: Sorry, but I can not understand what you all try to explain here. For instance, I should alter the name of Whisky or Whiskey to 'Viszki' (Hungarian grammar) in the Hungarian Misplaced Pages if I have to use English grammar for the Pálinka in this case. It is a Hungaricum, It is Hungarian drink, not English, British etc.. ] (]) 18:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
::You should do what Hungarian speakers do. If they call it "Whisky", call your article "Whisky". If they call it "Viszki", call it "Viszki". By your logic, you should change the Hungarian Misplaced Pages' entry for Pezsgő to ] to comport with French convention, since by law Champagne is a drink only from France. While you're at it, you might change Skót whisky to ], Konyak to ], Vermut to ]. ] (]) 04:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Pálinka is not a "naturalised word in English", or very much less than ], ] or ].<sup><small><font color="green">]</font></small></sup> <font color="green">]</font><sup><small> <font color="green">]</font></small></sup> 17:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


Edit to add, it lists Italy and Greece as the other two countries but the name attributed to all 3 is in Romanian, not Greek or Italian, and the references go to eAmbrosia for only Romania. This makes that part of the intro even less reliable in my opinion.
*'''Support''' For the reasons given by ]. ] (]) 12:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


] (]) 21:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. As ] notes, the diacritic does absolutely no harm. ''Cf.'' ], ]. — <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;">]</span> 03:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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:While the reference to History of Transylvania is not relevant here, '''pălinca ''' is truly specific to this region and only marginally made or referred in other regions of Romania, where rather the term țuică or rachiu is used. So, in my opinion, you can fix this on your choice.
==Expansion of article to include Austrian Palinka and Romanian Palinca==
: However, in Maramureș a similar drink is called '''horincă''' with a slightly higher % of alcohol and coming by the Ukrainian way. ] (]) 22:28, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
'''''NOTE''': This discussion began at ]. But because it concerns expansion of this ] article, it was copied here on this date. See ] history for attribution. <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 05:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)''


== Stampedli ==
I want to inform everyone that "palinca" is a romanian brand for fruit brandy. Even though there are similarities with the hungarian brand "Palinka", it's not the same. EU regulations have approved for each country who's in European Union a specific list of names for traditional alchool drinks. You can check more details here: http://www.festivalulpalincii.ro/files/tiny_mce/File/r_110_208_en.pdf. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:49, 25 March 2011</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:I think it is ok to treat the Hungarian and Romanian versions in the same article. So, the redirect is ok, but some explanation should be added to the article explaining the difference between the names. ] (]) 21:47, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
::Yes. Agreed. I think the introductory sentence should clarify the 2008 EU which limited the use of the name to the Hungarian version, but that the historical product is considered traditional in both Hungary (Palinka) and Romania (Palinca). We just need some proper references for that. <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 21:54, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry for being so defensive, but I actually didn't had time to read all the rules as there are so many...I didn't thought that I will cause any trouble by just deleting the redirect on the page Palinca. I really want to solve this problem the right way. I've been doing some research on this matter and I can share with you other links about the differecences between these 2 brands. :::Here you can see other links: http://www.slovensko.com/news/106 http://courses.cit.cornell.edu/his452/Andrei/ContestedFoodinPostnationalist%20Europe/ContestedCuisine.html - at the bottom of this page you can find even more relevant links regarding this problem http://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-firm-plans-to-export-30000-bottles-of-palinca-to-us/16468/ - If you read this article you can have an idea why is it so bad to use the brand "palinca" as being hungarian and not romanian. People can jump to the conclusion that they are buying something else, when they really want to buy romanian "palinca" and Romania can loose a lot of money that could come from exports of "palinca".
:::And since UE agreed to treat these brands different for each country by giving limit use of the name "palinca" to Romania and limited use of the name "palinka" to Hungary (please see the list of protected spirits for each country in UE: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/JOIndex.do?year=2008&serie=L&textfield2=39&Submit=Search&_submit=Search&ihmlang=en - the latest version of the law-2008), I was thinking to contribute in creating a page for the romanian brand "Palinca" with relevant links related to this brand, so that there will be no confusions about this. What do you think?
:::P.s: I've erased the sentence that was not proper to be used.Hope it's ok like this.] (]) 09:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
:::::I am not yet convinced that it requires a separate article. And think the main article should simply be expanded to include Hungarian, Austrian and Romanian types. From what I have read, there isn't a great difference between the Hungarian/Austrian Palinka and Romanian Palinca -- other than the spelling and modern branding rights from the EU. It seems these are essentially the same product because of their historical and geographical overlap. Misplaced Pages takes no sides in political or economic battles -- our readers are best helped when a single article can provide them with all the basic relevant information. I have initiated the article expansion by changing the introduction to include both the Romanian and Hungarian terms. I think the history section should next be rewritten to be inclusive of the entire historical region, rather than so specific to modern Hungary. The EU section rewritten to include the 2008 determination for each country. Then separate sections provided for Hungary, Romania and Austria which can address any specific regionalism. <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 19:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
{{outdent}} I would like to add a few things regarding „Palinca” and „Palinka” differences that can be clearly seen bellow:
I will refer now only to the sections included in the hungarian „Palinka” page on Misplaced Pages:
I agree - EU legal definition section should be changed completely. Since 2002, UE has issued new laws, as there where many conflicts regarding the rights to use „Palinka” only by hungarians., so that all the countries are protected by EU regulations.
The history section should include, as you’ve already mentioned, impartial points of view. All of the three countries involved claim to be the founders of this specific product, so it shouln’t be accepted only hungarian point of view.
When you refer to separate sections provided for Hungary, Romania and Austria which can address any specific regionalism do you refer in changing every section on the page or just adding new ones? Because, there are differences between these brands. For example:
Types of „Palinka” – this section only describes the hungarian types - In Romania, there are 21 types of „Palinca”, governed by Order no. 147 from 08.03.2005 issued by by Minister for Agriculture and Rural Development (http://www.mapam.ro/pages/legislatie.php?offset=147&limit=20) that approves protected and recognized geographical names for spirit drinks in Romania.
1. Pălinca de Bihor
2. Rieni Palinca de Bihor
3. Pălinca de Zalau
4. Pălinca de Ardeal
5. Pălinca de Maramures
6. Pălinca Carpatii Apuseni
7. Pălinca Transilvania
8. Pălinca Româneasca “Tricolor”
9. Pălinca de Brad
10. Pălinca de Banovita
11. Pălinca de Câlnau
12. Pălinca Crai Nou
13. Pălinca de Valea Vinului
14. Pălinca de Mediesu Aurit
15. Pălinca de Camârzan
16. Pălinca de Oas
17. Pălinca de Cluj
18. Pălinca de Focsani
19. Pălinca de Dragosloveni
20. Pălinca de Vrancea
21. Pălinca de Jari tea
„Variaties” section only speaks about hungarian variaties. Romania also has many variaties of palinca as you may see at the types of products section above.
Also: Commercial production:
As you may see below, the production of hungarian „Palinka” and romanian „Palinca” is different. See: Regulations on the definition, description, presentation and labeling traditional Romanian spirit drinks stated in Order nr. 368 from 13.06.2008 issued by Minister for Agriculture and Rural Development, Ministry of Public Health and chairman of the National Authority for Consumer Protection (http://www.madr.ro/pages/industrie_alimentara/ordin-368-din-13-iunie-2010.pdf), regarding „palinca”:
* A) fermentation of the fruit is done in wooden vats or tanks or in fermentation vessels made of stainless steel, depending on the area where the fruit were produced, of varieties and the specific technology applied;
* B) distillation process is made in copper boilers with direct combustion or in distillation plants at an alcoholic strength that does not exceed 70% vol so that the distillated product has an aroma and taste derived from the fruit or fruits; redistillation at same alcoholic strength is authorized;
* C) having a volatile content greater than or equal to 200 grams per hectolitre of 100% vol
* D) having a hydrocyanic acid content, if palinca product is made of fruits stone fruits, not more than 7 grams per alchool hectolitre of 100% vol
* E) having a maximum methyl alcohol content of 1.000 grams per hectolitre of 100% vol for the following fruit: plum (Prunus domestica L.), mirabelle (Prunus domestica L. subsp. Syriaca-Borkh., Janch . Ex. Mansf.) brumării plum (Prunus domestica L.), apple (Malus domestica Borkh.) pear (Pyrus communis L.), with the exception of Williams pears (Pyrus communis L. cv 'Williams'), raspberry (Rubus idaeus L.), blackberry (Rubus fruticosus auct. AGGR.) apricot (Prunus armeniaca L.) and peach , methyl alcohol content not exceeding 1.200 grams per hectolitre of 100% vol for the following fruit: Williams pear (Pyrus communis L. cv 'Williams'), red currant (Ribes rubrum L.), black currant (Ribes nigrum L.), rowan berry (Sorbus aucuparia L.), elder (Sambucus nigra L.), quince (Cydonia oblonga Mill.) and juniper berries (Juniperus communis L. and / or Juniperus oxicedrus L.), methyl alcohol content not exceeding 1.350 grams per hectolitre of 100% vol
* F) use in the manufacture of palinca products of sweetening products is not permitted;
* G) use in the manufacture palinca caramelized sugar is not allowed not even with the purpose to adapt the color, yellow or golden yellow color being obtained by aging in oak barrels;
* H) use in the manufacture of palinca of flavoring substances, flavoring preparations , colorants, ethyl alcohol of agricultural origin or a distillate of agricultural origin is not permitted;
* I) combining (blending) is permitted;
* J) The minimum alcoholic strength is 40% vol marketed for consumption;
* K) storage, preservation and product obsolescence takes place in wooden vessels, stainless steel or glass.
Last, but not least, the introduction phrase has been again modified in the sense of excluding the romanian „Palinca”...So I think it should be changed again.
Please make sure that all of the things described above will be included on the page „Palinka” and not deleted after being added as the introductory sentence was...P.S: thank you for being impartial and for trying to solve this problem in the best way possible...] (]) 17:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


The word stampedli/stampó/kupica is not about the substance (in this case the pálinka) but rather refering to the little glass from which you drink spirits. ] (]) 10:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks for providing that reference. It shows there doesn't appear to be significant difference between the Romanian and Hungarian products. According to , your points C) D) E) H) are the same for both Palinka and Palinca. A comparison of with your list shows that points A) B) F) G) I) and J) are also the same for both. It appears that the only regulatory difference is Hungary uses the EU stipulation for "fruit spirit" of a minimum 37.5% alcoholic content, whereas Romania sets the minimum for Palinca at 40%. I suggest adding three separate sections for Austria, Hungary and Romania which will include the information about regional variations and geographic types. <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 05:52, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
::Hello again. You are right about the production process. I didn't know there is almost the same procedure to obtain palinca, but it's good that EU stated regulations for all types of palinca/palinka produced in Romania and Hungary/Austria, so that the quality is higher. I only saw what it was written on the article (see: section EU legal definition: "The production of palinka in the European Union is regulated by order 1-3-1576/89, which took effect on 1 July 2002. According to the regulation, an alcoholic beverage may be called palinka in the EU only if: 1. it is made 100-percent from fruits or herbs indigenous to the Carpathian Basin and grown in Hungary, or from pomace grown in Hungary, and does not contain any additives,2. it is produced and bottled in Hungary, 3. its alcohol content is between 37.5% and 86% ABV." and since the article I provided says something different I thought there are big differences. But this proves once again that the article written about "Palinka" should be completely modify. It's clearly impartial and the quotations are really old and not true at this moment. It's true that in 2004 EU granted Hungary exclusive rights on the name "palinka" but this was only for a short while, as UE didn't take into account that Romania and Austria are also producing a similar type of "palinka" and granted afterwards rights also to Romania and Austria.
So, yes, there should be 3 different sections for each country, where there can be added information about specific traditions, products and consumption for each of these countries. So who will make these changes? I could provide relevant articles related to "Palinca" made in Romania.What about Austria? And who will make the appropiate changes for Hungary? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:21, 29 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::Any editor is welcome to make edits to the article -- provided, of course, that they adhere to Misplaced Pages policies on ] and ]. I'll try and rearrange the article and make the subsections in the next few days. First I would like to read good sources for the history section which provide an overview of historical Palinka/Palinca distillation for the entire Carpathian region. If you know of any, please add them. <span style="font-family: tahoma;"> — ]<sup>]</sup></span> 17:09, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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IP edit

Dear IP,

please engage yourself better with the talk page rather than bullying others with unprofessional explanations. This article is not about the Romanian Pălincă, which is anyway mentioned in the lead as a similar product (I even moved the source there), no need twice to explain the same, anyway.(KIENGIR (talk) 17:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC))

first sentence is untrue

first sentence indicates that pálinka is called stamesz or stampedli in hungarian, which is untrue. pálinka is called pálinka in hungarian, stampedli/stamesz is only used as a slang. 188.142.200.213 (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Just reverted a change in pronunciation someone made who either doesn’t know Hungarian or doesn’t really know English. Either way, barack is *not* “barazk” but “baratsk”. The previous version was correct. Fenevad (talk) 02:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Alternates in other countries

In the intro, why is Romania given an additional parenthetical reference to Transylvania? It is a link to the history of Transylvania and doesn't give any context on why this is being uniquely referred to, while none of the other countries do. Is there something specific in the History of Transylvania page that is relevant? Or is it not referred to or consumed in Romania outside of Transylvania? This just seems like an unnecessary link with no clear purpose, but I wanted to give a chance for some explanation or better understanding before deleting, in case an edit with more details is more appropriate.

Edit to add, it lists Italy and Greece as the other two countries but the name attributed to all 3 is in Romanian, not Greek or Italian, and the references go to eAmbrosia for only Romania. This makes that part of the intro even less reliable in my opinion.

Rs180216 (talk) 21:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

While the reference to History of Transylvania is not relevant here, pălinca is truly specific to this region and only marginally made or referred in other regions of Romania, where rather the term țuică or rachiu is used. So, in my opinion, you can fix this on your choice.
However, in Maramureș a similar drink is called horincă with a slightly higher % of alcohol and coming by the Ukrainian way. Morosanul (talk) 22:28, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Stampedli

The word stampedli/stampó/kupica is not about the substance (in this case the pálinka) but rather refering to the little glass from which you drink spirits. 84.236.95.206 (talk) 10:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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