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| ] Please do not remove ] notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with ]. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, then you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that looks like this: ] and appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case '''''on the article's {{#if:Burnt-out diabetes mellitus| ]|talk page}}'''''. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-speedy2 --> | |||
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| Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. ] (]) 05:51, 4 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Blocked == | |||
| <div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> ] You have been ''']''' from editing for a period of '''31 hours''' for persistently creating inappropriate pages (after being warned and advised how to appeal the deletion). Once the block has expired, you are welcome to ]. If you would like to be unblocked, you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}}, but you should read the ] first. —''']''' (]) 05:40, 4 June 2011 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-block --> | |||
| *For the record, while blocked, '''you may not edit''', under this account or any other account. You appear to have been using {{userlinks|Burntout1234}} to attempt to evade the block. —''']''' (]) 06:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| {{unblock reviewed | 1=Thanks for your speedy feedback. Your response reminds one of AT&T. Is this the direction Misplaced Pages is heading to? Hope not. We need help from the true “Misplaced Pages” pioneers . Looking at your track record. Traditionalists will continue to delete CHANGE. But together we can change. Please unblock. The creation of the account Buntout1234 may not be considered as SOCK, but DOPPELGAENGER given the original account Burntout123. If the true intention was vandalism, another designation would be used. Unblock is necessary to allow balanced discussion, given what is obviously percieved by some of you as likley hostile bias of PortUrology. Looking forward to speedy unbalanced with commitment towards more sensitivity. Burntout123 (talk) 07:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC) | decline=I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that | |||
| *the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Misplaced Pages, <u>or</u> | |||
| *the block is no longer necessary because you | |||
| *#understand what you have been blocked for, | |||
| *#will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and | |||
| *#will make useful contributions instead. | |||
| Please read the ] for more information. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 07:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC)}} | |||
| {{unblock reviewed | 1=Thanks for speedy review. The continuation of block is not necessary to prevent damage/disruption to Misplaced Pages given the prior track record and given important contribution albeit limited. Please merge Doppelgänger "Burntout1234" to the parent "Burntout123" upon its unblock. EXPLANATION: A doppelgänger account is a second account created with a username similar to one's main account to prevent impersonation. The block is no longer necessary because this user understands what this user has been blocked for deficient familiarity with deletion procedure, will not continue to cause repaeted posting upon deletion but will pusue UNDELETE via official escalation, and will continue making useful contributions. Given time-sensitive discussion on several topics with pending deletion and unbalanced/unopposed intention of PortUrology to delete more postings, immmediate unblock will be consistent with Misplaced Pages's original objectives. Burntout123 (talk) 08:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC) | decline=Procedural decline: editor may not have multiple unblock requests, especially with virtually identical reasoning (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">''' ] '''</span>]) 09:43, 4 June 2011 (UTC)}}, | |||
| :Here's two of many problems: you're never allowed to edit with both the primary account AND the doppelganger account. You may also never create an account after the first one was already blocked, as per ]. You'll want to do a better reading of ] before trying to use it in the way you are... (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">''' ] '''</span>]) 09:43, 4 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| {{unblock reviewed | 1=Thanks for speedy review. The continuation of block is not necessary to prevent damage/disruption to Misplaced Pages given the prior track record and given important contributions albeit limited due to limited period of the starter. Please merge Doppelgänger "Burntout1234" to the parent "Burntout123" upon unblock (a doppelgänger account is a second account created with a username similar to one's main account to prevent impersonation). The block is no longer necessary because this user understands what this user has been blocked for originating deficient familiarity with deletion procedure, will not continue to cause repeated posting upon deletion but will pursue UNDELETE via official escalation, and will continue making useful contributions. Given time-sensitive discussion on several topics with pending deletion and unbalanced/unopposed intention of Porturology to delete more postings, immediate unblock will be consistent with Misplaced Pages's original objectives. In particular given the five "pillars": | |||
| *Misplaced Pages is an online encyclopedia. It is not a dictionary, newspaper, or a collection of source documents; that kind of content should be contributed instead to the Wikimedia sister projects. | |||
| *Misplaced Pages has a neutral point of view. We strive for articles that advocate no single point of view. Sometimes this requires representing multiple points of view, presenting each point of view accurately and in context, and not presenting any point of view as "the truth" or "the best view" . | |||
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| *Wikipedians should interact in a respectful and civil manner. Act in good faith, never disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point, and assume good faith on the part of others. Be open and welcoming (especially IF YOU HAVE THE privilege OF BEING AND ADMINISTRATOR of Misplaced Pages]. | |||
| *Misplaced Pages does not have firm rules . Rules on Misplaced Pages are not carved in stone, and the spirit of the rule trumps the letter of the rule. Be bold (but not reckless) in updating articles and do not worry about making mistakes . Your efforts do not need to be perfect; prior versions are saved, so no damage is irreparable.Not_2_Portal_Urology_and_Other_Traditionalists | decline=I see no understanding at all of the reason for the block, and no indication that the same behavior will not continue if unblocked -- ] (]) 17:41, 4 June 2011 (UTC)}} | |||
| :'''Comment from blocking admin.''' For someone leaning so heavily on civility and acting in good faith in your unblock request, you were very quick to accuse Cirt, myself, and Porturology of bad faith in closing the AfD, speedy deleting the recreation of the article, and nominating a second article you've been involved with for deletion. | |||
| :To get more comfortable that you understand the policies, what rationale will you put forward to request the undeletion of ] at ] when you are no longer blocked? —''']''' (]) 15:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ==Concept of Neovandalism== | |||
| *Thanks for ] feedback. Will submit an official request for ] the ] page after block period ends. Only ] and conservative ] who usually resist ] are criticized. They too are entitled to express their idea and strengthen their ] in ]. However, the ] are expected to be more sensitive and ] and to show higher levels of ] towards new users who do not know the ] of Misplaced Pages. Lambasting new users as “]” is demoralizing and against the very ]. A new ] who spends time and efforts to create a new page and to protect it against ] should not be labeled with ]. Indeed it can be argued that what ] did in this case is an example of ], also known as ] ] or ], which is a similar concept as the ]. When a ] posts something that is targeted by potentially ] ] and ], ] ] should feel more engaged in protecting and supporting the ] or the Wiki may eventually become yet another ] entity in the hands of those whose ] is not consistent with advancing the ] to the next level. ] ideas are hardly popular upon ]. ] are needed in ] to support them to help ] and ]. The suggestion is to be more ] with cases of ] or ] as we notice with the waves of suggested ] upon new pages of ]. Porturology’s action may be an example of ] that may eventually paralyze ]. The 3rd ] request is a ] gesture to demonstrate ] and to reiterate ] against ] (]) that may be speadring throughout the foundation of ] despite the prospect of imminent and scheduled ] in the upcoming hours given 31 hrours of total blockage period and to test the level of ] and ] of Misplaced Pages ]. To_Expand_Tolerance_ </small><small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | |||
| :::{{ec}}A couple of things. First, PortUrology did not participate at all in the deletion discussion for the burnt-out diabetes page (]), so it's hard to include him into the discussion. Second, the closing admin in an AfD is supposed to weigh the merits of the arguments when closing a deletion discussion. JFW, Atmoz, and Novangelis presented reasoning grounded in established Misplaced Pages policy. Your arguments focused on Google hits, where are generally not held as evidence of ] of a subject. Also, you were the only editor to clearly advocate keeping the article. To successfully argue the case at DRV, you'll have to demonstrate that Cirt closed the discussion with a consensus of keep when the discussion showed otherwise—and IMO, there's no evidence at the AfD to do that. | |||
| :::That said, it is possible to create a new article that addresses the concerns raised in the AfD. Had you, for instance, provided references to the published works of the experts you intended to consult, the article might have been substantially different enough to avoid speedy deletion. Instead, you recreated an article that was essentially the same as the one deleted via the AfD—no new sources, no new claims of notability. To successfully appeal those deletions (plural, because you tried to create the article about a dozen times over three or four titles), you'll need to indicate that there are new sources, new claims, or there's some other improvement in the article that addresses the concerns raised at AfD. If you would like to work on restoring the article, I can restore it into your user space '''after your block expires'''. The article draft will need to stay there until established Misplaced Pages editors have reviewed it and deem it's sufficiently improved to go back into the main encyclopedia. | |||
| :::Finally, you were not labelled a vandal for attempting to create a page. You were labelled a disruptive editor after multiple attempts to recreate a page, multiple warnings why it was inappropriate, multiple invitations to discuss the situation, and your refusal to discuss the situation. If you're willing to discuss the article civilly, that's one thing. However, I don't think it's helping your case (or the article's) to continue to label other editors and their contributions as "regulated vandalism," "biased," or "paralyz Misplaced Pages". I also must step back from I made earlier this morning: so long as you continue to target other editors in that fashion, I would not grant an unblock request (at least, not without another editor agreeing to mentor you and keep an eye on your edits). —''']''' (]) 18:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::** Agree with the suggestions on the steps towards creation and testing of the ] page upon ]. The mention of ] upon deletion is not highly meritorious if there is conceived ]. This matter can be considered as a test of ] to examine how challenged ] ] can resist developing personal bias or use their privileges to extend blockage upon an ] ]. Doubt if this administrator can adhere to his own original decision of 31-hour block. ] with mitigated level of tolerance upon stress test should be re-evaluated. The level of commitment towards original 31 hour decision is being watched. He will likely choose to penalize ] criticism despite lack of any evidence towards future ‘’’]’’’. It appears that this ] cannot ] the concept of ] for the fear of being associated with it and expect block period extension, which will practically contradict all statements and claimed ] of Misplaced Pages. True ] survives provocation. Intolerance is '''disclosed''' upon ]. To_Expand_Tolerance_ | |||
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| A tag has been placed on ], requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under the ], because it is a redirect from an implausible typo. | |||
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| Additionally, please fix your signature to ] to you.] (]) 19:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ==A discussion involving you has been started at an administrators' noticeboard== | |||
| Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at ] regarding the creation of the ] article. The thread is ]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. —''']''' (]) 19:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| == In reply to a message on Catfish Jim's talkpage == | |||
| First, I need to stress that you ''should not'', under ''any'' circumstances, redirect an article to your userspace. The mainspace (the article namespace, where articles are) is for the readers, while most of the rest of the namespaces (signified by the words that come before the colon; for example, this page is in the user talk namespace, or the user talkspace) are for us editors. We do not want to burden our readers by mixing things designed for them and things designed solely for us. Additionally, the rules regarding acceptable content are very different in different namespaces; most of our content policies, for instance, do not apply outside of the mainspace, while most behavioral policies and guidelines have little impact in the mainspace. Redirects from the mainspace to most other namespaces are immediately deletable under ], for these reasons. | |||
| To create a redirect (which I again stress that you shouldn't do in this case), use the following code as the entire text of the page. <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT]</nowiki></code> So, for example, if you wanted to redirect some title to ], you would place <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT]</nowiki></code> as the entire text of the page you want to redirect. Commonly, if you redirect page A to page B, page B is called the "redirect target" or simply the "target" of page A. | |||
| I hope this answers your question and helps you create redirects in the future. Cheers. <font color="green">]</font>] 21:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| == User:Burntout1234 == | |||
| I hate to hit you with this giant templated message, but (1) the template wouldn't exist if it weren't something we deal with frequently here, and (2) the templates exist to provide a standard message when these things come up, so it's more the voice of the community than my personal take on the situation. —''']''' (]) 06:26, 6 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| You should never have been permitted to touch the user page of your sock account in the first instance. Leave it alone. I've been more than restrained given your conduct, but I won't sit by and see you revise history.--] (]) 16:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :These are apparently all consequences of questioning the legitimacy of a person who has deleted the work of others 5,000 times more than ever contributed to any WP. Fortunately the WP also has many balanced and fair editors. "revising history" is actually to delete something that was there for 4 years, as you just did. Given your clear conflict of interest, you should restore back all your deletions on my pages and refrain from touching anything else. ] (]) 16:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::Seriously, ]. Let's compare apples to apples: you personally have very few useful contributions here, since most of your additions have been rants and/or canvassing on project and talk pages. If you want to improve the sub-par articles in your user space with the hopes of saving them from deletion, fine... go and do that. But constantly whining about administrative actions—which, unless you can provide any evidence to the contrary, have been wholly appropriate—doesn't help you at all. And to reiterate what Bbb23 says above, stop touching your sockpuppet account's user page. There is zero reason for you to do that, so knock it off. --<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></span> 16:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: Thanks. Bbb23 deleted 4 year old posting under Buntout1234 and the posted "You should never have been permitted to touch the user page of your sock account in the first instance. Leave it alone. I've been more than restrained given your conduct, but I won't sit by and see you revise history.--] (]) 16:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)" These are apparently consequences of questioning the legitimacy of a person who has deleted the work of others 5,000 times more than ever contributed to any WP. Posing such democratic questions should be tolerated and addressed. Fortunately the WP also has many balanced and fair editors. "revising history" is actually to delete something that was there for 4 years, as he just did. Given Bbb23's clear conflict of interest, he/she should restore back all his.her deletions on my pages and refrain from touching anything else. Asking for help and protection. Can you kindly restore what he deleted under me and honor the one week of protected time? I would be thankful ] (]) 16:38, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::You don't get to edit that page. Deleting it removes the temptation for you to dig a deeper hole for yourself. You've focused on Bbb23 for taking perfectly ordinary and appropriate actions. Misplaced Pages isn't a democracy, and Bbb23 has no conflict of interest in this matter. You're the one who's personalized this. '''<span style="font-family:Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::No, "revising history" is your attempt to remove a legitimate sockpuppet tag from a confirmed sockpuppet account. As stated above, "constantly whining about administrative actions—which, unless you can provide any evidence to the contrary, have been wholly appropriate—doesn't help you at all". Your failure to get the point doesn't make said point any less valid. Free advice: if everyone else seems to disagree with you, perhaps it is worth entertaining the possibility that you're the one who is wrong. I have nothing else to say here, and I'm certain I'm not the only one who will decline your requests. Good day. --<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></span> 16:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::We first interacted ]. My advice to you now is the same as it was back when you were working on various diabetes-related articles - ''relax''. There's no benefit in assuming that people are out to get you - they're not. It is simply that when someone posts to notice boards, their behavior is examined as well as the issues reported. You have had issues in the past that led to being blocked. Perhaps the best way to avoid that again is to take a brief break away from Misplaced Pages and let things settle in your own mind. Then come back refreshed. Kindest regards, ] (]) 17:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks. Asking for protection during the break period. All of my projects are deleted or tagged for deletion. Any help restoring them would be appreciated. ] (]) 17:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::As an aside, you really shouldn't edit others' talk page comments, even to remove a header, as you did above (see ]). I'm leaving it alone, but please don't do such things in the future. Regarding your request for "Protection", you've been here long enough that you ] know what is and isn't available. You can't just request that a properly-deleted page, like ], be undeleted and protected from change, based on your say-so. Read ], if you like, for how to get the page userfied. As for ] and ], you have some choices: | |||
| ::::* You can simply edit those pages, copy the text, paste it into a text file on your PC, and then save it. You can then work on these at your leisure. | |||
| ::::* You can make an argument for why they shouldn't be deleted at the relevant MFDs. However, in my opinion: | |||
| ::::**] should never have been userfied in the first place and likely was done so to help you calm down. It is completely unsourced, all ], and, as I hope you can admit to yourself, just a ] to your feelings from your problems of 3-3/4 years ago. | |||
| ::::**You'e had a long time to work on ] and haven't made any substantive effort to do so (please don't argue about this - the history speaks for itself - if you really don't understand this, perhaps you do ]). As it stands, the article lacks citations in all but the first section (]), said citations which only show a ''mention'' of the term. All of the rest of the article is ] and completely fails to follow the guidelines of ]. | |||
| :::::Thus, in my opinion, 7 more days isn't going to make those user drafts, nor your recently deleted articles, any more acceptable than they are. Per ], if you want to keep them and work on them over the next few years, do so off-wiki. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's how it is. ] (]) 17:28, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: Thanks. Agree to delete Neovandalism project and use its content in other ways (need a few days). Will update BO-Diabetes (truly need several days as there are thousands of updates and publications on it over the past 4 years) and then request its posting and discussion and due procedure. Also Request the userified version of the deleted ExpertScape, and if request denied, please post the final version so that it can be copied/pasted off wiki before ultimate delete, while I still hope the deletion can be deferred so that it be given a brief period of discussion and voting. ] (]) 17:39, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: Joe - To get going after the recent turmoil, I have updated and submitted "neovandalism" project as final for review, assuming it will eventually be deleted, and happy to accept any outcome, and added the note: "This project was discussed heavily both now and 3 years ago. I agree it is a highly controversial topic and may be perceived with high level of sensitivity, and understand that it is high risk for deletion, and I am happy to accept the outcome trusting the judgement by balanced and fair editors such as C.Fred and JoeSperrazza. Thank you for the opportunity.". I am still working on the BO-diabetes project and have already revised it rather extensively and will try to prove its notability and exceptional significance in a few days and will submit. I wished more WP editors were like you, Joe and Fred, and thanks. ] (]) 20:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: You have not "revised it rather extensively", the changes you made were entirely superficial and inadequate. Do you think we can't see ? ] (]) 01:39, 2 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::: Trying hard to have a healthy communication and input here. Yes of course you can see and compare, this is what has been updated and is not minor . yes the sections are distorted but from the moment you tagged it for deletion things have been revised over the past 24 hrs. Yes, I didn't do anything for 2 years and now that you have tagged it for deletion, I have no choice but to catch up fast. As somebody suggested, I really feel it is healthier for all of us to have a few days off and forget Sam.Burntout for a short while until all emotions subside. The lead editor suggested a week, I am sure everybody has more important things in WP to review/edit during the interim. Please don't use the past against me. I am trying hard to resume the work and need to contact a few scientists and expert who may know this area better. Please be patient. Thank you for understanding and tolerance. ] (]) 03:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :Not sure what this is about. Some 6 hours ago ThaddeusB posted the following (see below) and I was notified and responded to it. Is a 6 hour posting too old? Did I do something wrong again? Happy to be educated. Please see below "Copy/Paste" | |||
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| ::Yes, kindly userify it, so that I can start working on it. Thank you for the opportunity, Will also place on your talk, feel free to delete. Sam] (]) 03:39, 3 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm assuming you no longer recommend that this be done, per . --<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></span> 05:01, 3 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes, you reverted intermediate edit by the archiving bot. Please be more careful in the future. --<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></span> 05:20, 3 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Thank you very much for amazing efforts and the balanced position and support. I have created a link and listed it under my ongoing projects for convenient access and been reading your instructions along with the educational discussions. At the risk of being labeled as overdemanding, is there any chance that the situation with the "burnt-out diabetes" project could also be better clarified? ] (]) 05:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::There's nothing to be "clarified". The page is at MfD, where a discussion open to all editors will decide what is to happen to it. There's no way of circumventing or short-circuiting the discussion. ] (]) 05:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I am concerned that the sudden surge of targeting my pages and projects for deletion was a somewhat emotional retaliation stemming from my comments on delete to create ratio of some users. While for 2 years I was not working on this article, I really need more time to revive these and to identify the sources. Happy to follow as unbiased lead editors suggest. -] (]) 07:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Copy the draft to an offline text document. Find sources. Recreate your draft and include your new sources. --] <sup>]</sup> 07:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::In my opinion, "burnt-out diabetes" probably isn't a notable thing, unless there is another term also used to describe it. The term only appears in a few scientific papers and none of them are all that widely cited. The term seems to be an invention of ] (who is obviously notable), but it isn't important even to his career. If you really want to keep working on the content, NeilN's suggestion of saving a copy to your local hard drive is the way to go. You could then submit it later when you are sure its as good as you can make it. --] (]) 01:28, 6 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I searched again and so far this is the only group that has put "burnt out" diabetes in the title of their publications. There is Experts Scape link in the same article which is removed. I will continue to look for other terms, but I agree that the notability is not as high as we thought. I will continue to search. -] (]) 04:18, 6 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
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A tag has been placed on Expertscape requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), web content or organised event, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. S.Burntout123 (talk) 23:06, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Hey
Do you understand what "notability" means? Do you understand why press releases and a single blog post don't assert any notability? DS (talk) 23:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Response
Happy to be better educated on "notability". If nationally renowned medical centers and USA based medical schools refer to ExpertScape rankings, one wonders why Misplaced Pages cannot have a neutral reference about this. One would benefit from seeing an informative article that is not promotional but indeed critical and questions certain angles such as source of funding and others. S.Burntout123 (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
A Suggestion
To get Expertscape back I would suggest heading over to WP:UNDELETE and asking for Expertscape to be "userfied to Draft:Expertscape. Sound good? EoRdE6 02:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Talkback from Me!
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February 2015
Please do not attack other editors, as you did on User talk:Bbb23. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Acroterion (talk) 05:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- It's one thing to be frustrated, it's another to start harassing other editors. Please stop. Acroterion (talk) 05:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
MfD nomination of User:Burntout123/Burnt-out diabetes mellitus
User:Burntout123/Burnt-out diabetes mellitus, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Burntout123/Burnt-out diabetes mellitus and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Burntout123/Burnt-out diabetes mellitus during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. BMK (talk) 07:26, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
MfD nomination of User:Burntout123/Neovandalism
User:Burntout123/Neovandalism, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Burntout123/Neovandalism and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Burntout123/Neovandalism during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. NeilN 14:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
User:Burntout1234
You should never have been permitted to touch the user page of your sock account in the first instance. Leave it alone. I've been more than restrained given your conduct, but I won't sit by and see you revise history.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- These are apparently all consequences of questioning the legitimacy of a person who has deleted the work of others 5,000 times more than ever contributed to any WP. Fortunately the WP also has many balanced and fair editors. "revising history" is actually to delete something that was there for 4 years, as you just did. Given your clear conflict of interest, you should restore back all your deletions on my pages and refrain from touching anything else. S.Burntout123 (talk) 16:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Seriously, drop the stick. Let's compare apples to apples: you personally have very few useful contributions here, since most of your additions have been rants and/or canvassing on project and talk pages. If you want to improve the sub-par articles in your user space with the hopes of saving them from deletion, fine... go and do that. But constantly whining about administrative actions—which, unless you can provide any evidence to the contrary, have been wholly appropriate—doesn't help you at all. And to reiterate what Bbb23 says above, stop touching your sockpuppet account's user page. There is zero reason for you to do that, so knock it off. --Kinu /c 16:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. Bbb23 deleted 4 year old posting under Buntout1234 and the posted "You should never have been permitted to touch the user page of your sock account in the first instance. Leave it alone. I've been more than restrained given your conduct, but I won't sit by and see you revise history.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)" These are apparently consequences of questioning the legitimacy of a person who has deleted the work of others 5,000 times more than ever contributed to any WP. Posing such democratic questions should be tolerated and addressed. Fortunately the WP also has many balanced and fair editors. "revising history" is actually to delete something that was there for 4 years, as he just did. Given Bbb23's clear conflict of interest, he/she should restore back all his.her deletions on my pages and refrain from touching anything else. Asking for help and protection. Can you kindly restore what he deleted under me and honor the one week of protected time? I would be thankful S.Burntout123 (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- You don't get to edit that page. Deleting it removes the temptation for you to dig a deeper hole for yourself. You've focused on Bbb23 for taking perfectly ordinary and appropriate actions. Misplaced Pages isn't a democracy, and Bbb23 has no conflict of interest in this matter. You're the one who's personalized this. Acroterion (talk) 16:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- No, "revising history" is your attempt to remove a legitimate sockpuppet tag from a confirmed sockpuppet account. As stated above, "constantly whining about administrative actions—which, unless you can provide any evidence to the contrary, have been wholly appropriate—doesn't help you at all". Your failure to get the point doesn't make said point any less valid. Free advice: if everyone else seems to disagree with you, perhaps it is worth entertaining the possibility that you're the one who is wrong. I have nothing else to say here, and I'm certain I'm not the only one who will decline your requests. Good day. --Kinu /c 16:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. Bbb23 deleted 4 year old posting under Buntout1234 and the posted "You should never have been permitted to touch the user page of your sock account in the first instance. Leave it alone. I've been more than restrained given your conduct, but I won't sit by and see you revise history.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)" These are apparently consequences of questioning the legitimacy of a person who has deleted the work of others 5,000 times more than ever contributed to any WP. Posing such democratic questions should be tolerated and addressed. Fortunately the WP also has many balanced and fair editors. "revising history" is actually to delete something that was there for 4 years, as he just did. Given Bbb23's clear conflict of interest, he/she should restore back all his.her deletions on my pages and refrain from touching anything else. Asking for help and protection. Can you kindly restore what he deleted under me and honor the one week of protected time? I would be thankful S.Burntout123 (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- We first interacted 3 years and 7 months ago. My advice to you now is the same as it was back when you were working on various diabetes-related articles - relax. There's no benefit in assuming that people are out to get you - they're not. It is simply that when someone posts to notice boards, their behavior is examined as well as the issues reported. You have had issues in the past that led to being blocked. Perhaps the best way to avoid that again is to take a brief break away from Misplaced Pages and let things settle in your own mind. Then come back refreshed. Kindest regards, JoeSperrazza (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. Asking for protection during the break period. All of my projects are deleted or tagged for deletion. Any help restoring them would be appreciated. S.Burntout123 (talk) 17:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- As an aside, you really shouldn't edit others' talk page comments, even to remove a header, as you did above (see WP:TPO). I'm leaving it alone, but please don't do such things in the future. Regarding your request for "Protection", you've been here long enough that you should know what is and isn't available. You can't just request that a properly-deleted page, like Expertscape, be undeleted and protected from change, based on your say-so. Read Misplaced Pages:Deletion review, if you like, for how to get the page userfied. As for User:Burntout123/Neovandalism and User:Burntout123/Burnt-out diabetes mellitus, you have some choices:
- You can simply edit those pages, copy the text, paste it into a text file on your PC, and then save it. You can then work on these at your leisure.
- You can make an argument for why they shouldn't be deleted at the relevant MFDs. However, in my opinion:
- User:Burntout123/Neovandalism should never have been userfied in the first place and likely was done so to help you calm down. It is completely unsourced, all original research, and, as I hope you can admit to yourself, just a reaction to your feelings from your problems of 3-3/4 years ago.
- You'e had a long time to work on User:Burntout123/Burnt-out diabetes mellitus and haven't made any substantive effort to do so (please don't argue about this - the history speaks for itself - if you really don't understand this, perhaps you do lack the ability to contribute here). As it stands, the article lacks citations in all but the first section (History), said citations which only show a mention of the term. All of the rest of the article is WP:OR and completely fails to follow the guidelines of WP:MEDRS.
- Thus, in my opinion, 7 more days isn't going to make those user drafts, nor your recently deleted articles, any more acceptable than they are. Per WP:WEBHOST, if you want to keep them and work on them over the next few years, do so off-wiki. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's how it is. JoeSperrazza (talk) 17:28, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. Agree to delete Neovandalism project and use its content in other ways (need a few days). Will update BO-Diabetes (truly need several days as there are thousands of updates and publications on it over the past 4 years) and then request its posting and discussion and due procedure. Also Request the userified version of the deleted ExpertScape, and if request denied, please post the final version so that it can be copied/pasted off wiki before ultimate delete, while I still hope the deletion can be deferred so that it be given a brief period of discussion and voting. S.Burntout123 (talk) 17:39, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Joe - To get going after the recent turmoil, I have updated and submitted "neovandalism" project as final for review, assuming it will eventually be deleted, and happy to accept any outcome, and added the note: "This project was discussed heavily both now and 3 years ago. I agree it is a highly controversial topic and may be perceived with high level of sensitivity, and understand that it is high risk for deletion, and I am happy to accept the outcome trusting the judgement by balanced and fair editors such as C.Fred and JoeSperrazza. Thank you for the opportunity.". I am still working on the BO-diabetes project and have already revised it rather extensively and will try to prove its notability and exceptional significance in a few days and will submit. I wished more WP editors were like you, Joe and Fred, and thanks. S.Burntout123 (talk) 20:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- You have not "revised it rather extensively", the changes you made were entirely superficial and inadequate. Do you think we can't see what you've done? BMK (talk) 01:39, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- Trying hard to have a healthy communication and input here. Yes of course you can see and compare, this is what has been updated and is not minor please analyze this. yes the sections are distorted but from the moment you tagged it for deletion things have been revised over the past 24 hrs. Yes, I didn't do anything for 2 years and now that you have tagged it for deletion, I have no choice but to catch up fast. As somebody suggested, I really feel it is healthier for all of us to have a few days off and forget Sam.Burntout for a short while until all emotions subside. The lead editor suggested a week, I am sure everybody has more important things in WP to review/edit during the interim. Please don't use the past against me. I am trying hard to resume the work and need to contact a few scientists and expert who may know this area better. Please be patient. Thank you for understanding and tolerance. S.Burntout123 (talk) 03:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- You have not "revised it rather extensively", the changes you made were entirely superficial and inadequate. Do you think we can't see what you've done? BMK (talk) 01:39, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- As an aside, you really shouldn't edit others' talk page comments, even to remove a header, as you did above (see WP:TPO). I'm leaving it alone, but please don't do such things in the future. Regarding your request for "Protection", you've been here long enough that you should know what is and isn't available. You can't just request that a properly-deleted page, like Expertscape, be undeleted and protected from change, based on your say-so. Read Misplaced Pages:Deletion review, if you like, for how to get the page userfied. As for User:Burntout123/Neovandalism and User:Burntout123/Burnt-out diabetes mellitus, you have some choices:
- Thanks. Asking for protection during the break period. All of my projects are deleted or tagged for deletion. Any help restoring them would be appreciated. S.Burntout123 (talk) 17:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Seriously, drop the stick. Let's compare apples to apples: you personally have very few useful contributions here, since most of your additions have been rants and/or canvassing on project and talk pages. If you want to improve the sub-par articles in your user space with the hopes of saving them from deletion, fine... go and do that. But constantly whining about administrative actions—which, unless you can provide any evidence to the contrary, have been wholly appropriate—doesn't help you at all. And to reiterate what Bbb23 says above, stop touching your sockpuppet account's user page. There is zero reason for you to do that, so knock it off. --Kinu /c 16:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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Don't do this
Please don't restore a bunch of already-archived content and also delete newer content, as you did here. --Kinu /c 04:58, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
- Not sure what this is about. Some 6 hours ago ThaddeusB posted the following (see below) and I was notified and responded to it. Is a 6 hour posting too old? Did I do something wrong again? Happy to be educated. Please see below "Copy/Paste"
- @Burntout123: - the article has now been speed deleted multiple times. If you wish to give it another shot (notability is possible, but needs to be proven), let me know and I will restore it to draft space for you so that it can be brought up to Misplaced Pages standards without the threat of quick deletion. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:40, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, kindly userify it, so that I can start working on it. Thank you for the opportunity, Will also place on your talk, feel free to delete. SamS.Burntout123 (talk) 03:39, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
- I'm assuming you no longer recommend that this be done, per this reversion. --Kinu /c 05:01, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, you reverted this intermediate edit by the archiving bot. Please be more careful in the future. --Kinu /c 05:20, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Offer
After some thought, I decided I am willing to restore ExpertScape to draft space and provide some mentoring under the condition that you won't make any attempt to move/publish the article yourself. Let me be responsible for that when the time comes. I will try to help you with the article, and EoRdE6 or other interested parties may try to, but you'll have to do most of the work.
While I think the subject is probably notable, it is far from a slam dunk case and could end up being deleted by community consensus after much effort is put into it and then there will be nothing I can do. Please be aware of that risk, and also be aware that if this leads to problematic behaviour by you I will likely be forced to block you since I am taking responsibility for mentoring you in order to make this happen. I have an idea on how to better WP:PRESERVE the content without relying on the notability of ExpertScape itself, but I will wait until the draft article is restore to explain more - i.e. at the draft talk page to allow a better discussion.
If you understand the above and agree, reply here and I will restore the page. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:32, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Agree with your stipulations and truly appreciate your efforts and leadership S.Burntout123 (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Page can now be found at Draft:Expertscape I will comment at Draft talk:Expertscape shortly. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for amazing efforts and the balanced position and support. I have created a link and listed it under my ongoing projects for convenient access and been reading your instructions along with the educational discussions. At the risk of being labeled as overdemanding, is there any chance that the situation with the "burnt-out diabetes" project could also be better clarified? S.Burntout123 (talk) 05:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- There's nothing to be "clarified". The page is at MfD, where a discussion open to all editors will decide what is to happen to it. There's no way of circumventing or short-circuiting the discussion. BMK (talk) 05:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- I am concerned that the sudden surge of targeting my pages and projects for deletion was a somewhat emotional retaliation stemming from my comments on delete to create ratio of some users. While for 2 years I was not working on this article, I really need more time to revive these and to identify the sources. Happy to follow as unbiased lead editors suggest. -S.Burntout123 (talk) 07:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Copy the draft to an offline text document. Find sources. Recreate your draft and include your new sources. --NeilN 07:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- I am concerned that the sudden surge of targeting my pages and projects for deletion was a somewhat emotional retaliation stemming from my comments on delete to create ratio of some users. While for 2 years I was not working on this article, I really need more time to revive these and to identify the sources. Happy to follow as unbiased lead editors suggest. -S.Burntout123 (talk) 07:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- In my opinion, "burnt-out diabetes" probably isn't a notable thing, unless there is another term also used to describe it. The term only appears in a few scientific papers and none of them are all that widely cited. The term seems to be an invention of Kamyar Kalantar-Zadeh (who is obviously notable), but it isn't important even to his career. If you really want to keep working on the content, NeilN's suggestion of saving a copy to your local hard drive is the way to go. You could then submit it later when you are sure its as good as you can make it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:28, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- I searched again and so far this is the only group that has put "burnt out" diabetes in the title of their publications. There is Experts Scape link in the same article which is removed. I will continue to look for other terms, but I agree that the notability is not as high as we thought. I will continue to search. -S.Burntout123 (talk) 04:18, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- There's nothing to be "clarified". The page is at MfD, where a discussion open to all editors will decide what is to happen to it. There's no way of circumventing or short-circuiting the discussion. BMK (talk) 05:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for amazing efforts and the balanced position and support. I have created a link and listed it under my ongoing projects for convenient access and been reading your instructions along with the educational discussions. At the risk of being labeled as overdemanding, is there any chance that the situation with the "burnt-out diabetes" project could also be better clarified? S.Burntout123 (talk) 05:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Page can now be found at Draft:Expertscape I will comment at Draft talk:Expertscape shortly. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Expertscape
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Thanks for your submission to Misplaced Pages, and happy editing. 1989 15:16, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
New version of Expertscape article
In case you're interested, we've submitted a new version of the article (https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Expertscape) but I'm a complete novice at the Misplaced Pages process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B4chex11 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 20 August 2018 (UTC)