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== Bulgar language ==


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Абе мойто момче ( :) извинявай ако си с много по-голям от мен), като си българин и си си сложил прякора на Апостола, защо си изтрил скромниОТ ми опит да покажУВАМ, че тюркскиОТ ни произход и това, че сме дошлЕ Бог знае от къде из далечните пустини на Азия, са изключително спорни въпроси и не е уйбаво да се твърдят като твръди и аксиоматични енциклопедични данни. Не е тук мястото да се навлиза в полемика и подробности, но все повече везните наклоняват в друга посока...
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== Damjan Gruev ==
89.215.171.65, before changing articles and pushing your opinion, please read the discussions on the talk-pages and read the added sources. Then discuss them on the talk-page and if there will be any objections you can edit free the article. Thank you! ] (]) 15:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


Hello there fellow wiki editor @] I would like to discuss the topic of Dame Gruev's ethnicity. In the article he is cited to be a ] teacher, although he was a teacher in the ] but i found sources were he identifies himself with the Macedonian identity/ ]. ] (]) 12:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
--] (]) 16:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC) Call me Hansen. 10x
:Hi, the ] was the official national institution and the Orthodox Church of the ] in the Ottoman empire. Its members identified with the ethno-religious and linguistic community of the ]. It owned separate schools, hospitals, churches and formed local Bulgarian communities, that issued magazines, newspapers, shoolbooks, etc., only in Bulgarian standard language. These institutions were located only in the Bulgarian quarters of the towns. There were then neither Macedonian church, standard language, separate quarters or distinct communities, nor hospitals, bookstores, magazines, newspapers, etc., in the Ottoman empire. The designation Macedonian had different meanings than modern-day ones. Macedonians then were called and called themselves the Aromanians, who till today, especially these in North Macedonia, do not have a distinct term and still designate as ''Bulgarians'' their neighbours, the ethnic Macedonians. Thanks. ] (]) 13:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::What are the sources? Perhaps one can still find use of them for something. ] (]) 13:48, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
⚫ :::Sources about what issue exactly? ] (]) 13:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::My mistake. My question was addressed to ]. Gruev's article could use more sources. ] (]) 14:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Not to forget, that the founders of the ], among whom was Gruev himself, wrote in its first statute that members of it could be only Bulgarians. ] (]) 15:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::I did not say anything about his ethnicity. I was just wondering if the sources the editor presumably has could still have some biographical value and be used to support unsourced content. ] (]) 16:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::: ] was blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of ]. ] (]) 08:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Good catch. It did not surprise me one bit. ] (]) 08:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


== Request for Third Opinion: Use of Portraits in Ivan Asen II Article ==
== ] ==


Hello,
Deputy Prime Minister is not a "propagand". --] (]) 18:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


I’m seeking a Third Opinion regarding the use of two 19th-century portraits in the article on Ivan Asen II. The two portraits are:
== Torlakian edits ==


1. Zograf Monastery portrait (1817) (File:G danchov ivan asen.jpg)
Hi! Sorry for the inconvenience, I have . By reading about Torlakian, there is no conclusion of it being a separate South Slavic language, and as such, its inappropriate to add a language box, the image is still there (Possible POV though?). I have added extensive info on the history of the area in terms of nationality, although information on this is scarce. I have clarified the views of Kantz and Blanqui, they were heavily different of what was really said. Regards. --] (]) 22:59, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


2. G. Danchoff’s depiction (File:Ivan-asen-II-zograf-portrait.jpg)
Hi, I think your edits are POV-ish and inappropriate to this linguistic article. Regs. ] (]) 05:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


The main question is whether either portrait is suitable for the infobox, considering they are Romanticized later depictions of the ruler who lived centuries earlier. A similar case can be found in the article for Simeon I of Bulgaria, where a modern-era statue is used in the infobox despite its temporal distance.
== Thank you ==


Proposals under discussion:
Hello. Thanks for the help and for solving the problem at Jovan Sterija Popovic article. It was getting out of hand... It is easy for the IP editor to do whatever he wants when wiki rules almost doesn`t mean anything for him :). Anyway, thank you for solving the dispute. I think this is acceptable for everybody. Greetings. ] (]) 09:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


1. Use the Zograf Monastery portrait in the infobox due to its historical context.
== About ] article ==


2. Place the Danchoff portrait in the “Legacy” section for additional context.
Hi. As you can see (here: ) non of the information that you added was removed from the article. The article was reorganizes. I added several references in order to stress what this person has done for the Macedonian nation and for the Republic of Macedonia at all. This is not a way for collaborative improvement of the content of Misplaced Pages. I already gave you an advice on Misplaced Pages on Macedonian language that we have to collaborate in order to improve the content. At the same time, as you can see the Bulgarian version of the article is not updated as much as this one and the article for Mihajlo Apostolski on Misplaced Pages on Macedonian language. I hope we will understand each other better in future. I hope you will not remove the undated version of the article again. Thank you for the understanding. I wish you a lot of pleasant moments while editing here. Kind regards, --] (]) 12:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


Feedback or suggestions on the appropriateness of these portraits would be greatly appreciated.
:On a contrary, stop manipulating the article. You have removed a lot of information and described an Academician source as ], as Bulgarian reference. The sources from the Communist Yugoslavia are biased and out of date. Please, use English language sources from scientific journals or publishing houses. ] (])


You can find the discussion on Talk Page @ ] ] (]) 17:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi. I am trying to make the article look decent. Please stop removing valuable data from the article only because you he fought in WWII for Macedonian state and Macedonian nation. I hope you can understand this. <br>Concerning the ''communist sources'', that is the reason why Misplaced Pages is a collaborative project. The article will be not objective if it does not reflect different opinions, even if they are as bed as the communist sources or the sources of axis allied Bulgaria in WWII. --] (]) 14:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, not a forum to collect all views, including unreliable and biased, i.e. ], but only NPOV. ] (]) 14:26, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
:I agree, but i will have to repeat myself. Why sources from axis allied Bulgaria in WWII should be considered as more reliable than communist sources? That is why we have to present both sources. Kind regards, --] (]) 15:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

⚫ No sources issued before 1945 are used here. ] (]) 15:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
:Dimitre Minchev (Military Publishing House, Sofia, 2002) Bulgarian Camagne Committees in Macedonia - 1941, <b>Shtip, July 23, 1941, Document № 41.</b><br>But, it does not matter. Did not answer my question. Why sources from axis allied Bulgaria in WWII should be considered as more reliable than communist sources?<br>Kind regards,--] (]) 15:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

:BTW, this discussion is still going on on two places. That is not good. It is hard to follow the conversation if we continue like this. --] (]) 15:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Dear Jungiby,
why are you re-editing my submissions about the bulgar language? The version you state is not the official of the Bulgarian historians and the state anymore, please accept the new one. The iranian origin of the language has been proven as correct for more than 5 years now, and I can list many publications here. Please edit this publication and treat the iranian theory with some respect, not with the irony you imply. Please correct these articles to add the theory or I will add it myself. These opinions are a disgrace for the Bulgarians... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Hi, 87.121.228.249! Sorry, but here is not Bulgarian forum, but world encyclopedia. Regards! ] (]) 05:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

== You have a grudge on me ==
You should stop changing my talk page, because your warning is unjust. Seems like you are doing this deliberately. the discussion on the article ] has already been settled, but still you keep provocating me with unjust changes to my talk page. If you add your trash accusations again to my talk page, I will report you to wikipedia ] (]) 06:44, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

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Damjan Gruev

Hello there fellow wiki editor @Jingiby I would like to discuss the topic of Dame Gruev's ethnicity. In the article he is cited to be a Bulgarian teacher, although he was a teacher in the Bulgarian Exarchate but i found sources were he identifies himself with the Macedonian identity/ Macedonian Bulgarian. Macodudewasalreadytaken? (talk) 12:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, the Bulgarian Exarchate was the official national institution and the Orthodox Church of the Bulgarian people in the Ottoman empire. Its members identified with the ethno-religious and linguistic community of the Bulgarian millet. It owned separate schools, hospitals, churches and formed local Bulgarian communities, that issued magazines, newspapers, shoolbooks, etc., only in Bulgarian standard language. These institutions were located only in the Bulgarian quarters of the towns. There were then neither Macedonian church, standard language, separate quarters or distinct communities, nor hospitals, bookstores, magazines, newspapers, etc., in the Ottoman empire. The designation Macedonian had different meanings than modern-day ones. Macedonians then were called and called themselves the Aromanians, who till today, especially these in North Macedonia, do not have a distinct term and still designate as Bulgarians their neighbours, the ethnic Macedonians. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 13:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
What are the sources? Perhaps one can still find use of them for something. StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:48, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Sources about what issue exactly? Jingiby (talk) 13:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
My mistake. My question was addressed to Macodudewasalreadytaken?. Gruev's article could use more sources. StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Not to forget, that the founders of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization, among whom was Gruev himself, wrote in its first statute that members of it could be only Bulgarians. Jingiby (talk) 15:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
I did not say anything about his ethnicity. I was just wondering if the sources the editor presumably has could still have some biographical value and be used to support unsourced content. StephenMacky1 (talk) 16:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Macodudewasalreadytaken? was blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of User:Gurther. Jingiby (talk) 08:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Good catch. It did not surprise me one bit. StephenMacky1 (talk) 08:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Request for Third Opinion: Use of Portraits in Ivan Asen II Article

Hello,

I’m seeking a Third Opinion regarding the use of two 19th-century portraits in the article on Ivan Asen II. The two portraits are:

1. Zograf Monastery portrait (1817) (File:G danchov ivan asen.jpg)

2. G. Danchoff’s depiction (File:Ivan-asen-II-zograf-portrait.jpg)

The main question is whether either portrait is suitable for the infobox, considering they are Romanticized later depictions of the ruler who lived centuries earlier. A similar case can be found in the article for Simeon I of Bulgaria, where a modern-era statue is used in the infobox despite its temporal distance.

Proposals under discussion:

1. Use the Zograf Monastery portrait in the infobox due to its historical context.

2. Place the Danchoff portrait in the “Legacy” section for additional context.

Feedback or suggestions on the appropriateness of these portraits would be greatly appreciated.

You can find the discussion on Talk Page @ Talk:Ivan Asen II Nikolay.rusev (talk) 17:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)