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==PerspicazHistorian==
== QuackGuru ==
{{hat|Topic banned for one year. ] (]) 04:11, 24 July 2011 (UTC)}} {{hat|{{u|PerspicazHistorian}} is blocked indefinitely from mainspace. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 03:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC) }}
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===Request concerning QuackGuru===

; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : ] (]) 06:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
===Request concerning PerspicazHistorian===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|NXcrypto}} 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|PerspicazHistorian}}<p>{{ds/log|PerspicazHistorian}}</p>


; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|QuackGuru}}
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: ] ;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: ]
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; ] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it : ; ] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :
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# - removed "discrimination" sidebar from the page of ] (fascist ideology) even though the sidebar was inserted inside a section, not even the lead.
# - tag bombed the highly vetted ] article without any discussion or reason
# - attributing castes to people withhout any sources
# - edit warring to impose the above edits after getting
# - just like above, but this time he also added unreliable sources
# - still edit warring and using edit summaries instead of talk page for conversation
# - filed an outrageous report on WP:ANI without notifying any editors. This report was closed by Bbb23 as "{{tq|This is nothing but a malplaced, frivolous personal attack by the OP.}}"


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] has an extensive blocklog based on disruptive editing, and has a previous ] which was filed but s/he failed to participate in (). Mediation has been attempted (). S/he was cautioned multiple times (),() about tendentious editing at articles covered under Pseudoscience sanctions, and subsequently blocked for 2-weeks for violating the sanctions (). S/he was further topic-banned for 6 months from Chiropractic-related articles due "Due to persistent edit warring and general disruption of the editing and consensus process,"().
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*Already 2 blocks in last 4 months for edit warring.
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I do not see any positive signs that this editor will ever improve. So far he has only regressed. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
This behaviour continues, and continues to be in an area that appears to be covered under the ArbCom sanctions.


:While going through this report, PerspicazHistorian has made another highly problematic edit by edit warring and misrepresenting the sources to label the organisation as "terrorist". This primary source only provides a list of organisations termed by the Indian government as "terrorist" contrary to ]. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
#On July 7, QuackGuru made a mass of sweeping changes to the <b>]</b> article, including removing sourced text without consensus (), where this text had consensus to be included not only in the article, but in the lead (). The lack of consensus to change this part of the article had been noted earlier the same day , instead of taking his controversial edits to the talk page, he instead re-reverted ().
#There has been extensive discussion at <b>]</b> () and ] () over the use of a source (Matute et al.) to verify text inserted into the article. There was consensus that the source was not suitable in the way it was being used, or at the very least no consensus for its use. On July 8th QuackGuru made major changes to the article without discussion on the talk page, and in doing so inserted the Matute reference without consensus (). When this was reverted - noting the lack of consensus - (), QuackGuru re-inserted the text again (). When reverted by another editor (), QuackGuru re-reverted (2rr) - and claimed that that editor supported the use of Matute ().
#There has also been disruption at <b>]</b>. QuackGuru has proposed a change in text (in regards to chiropractic manipulation), which was not supported by editors on the ]. This again centered around the use of a particular source, and spanned multiple subsections of the talk page. The article was stable for quite some time, but QuackGuru then proposed at an unrelated article talk page () to change the article. Despite having no consensus to make the change, and apparent consensus to not make the change, QuackGuru made a major controversial change to the article (). This contentious edit was reverted (), to which QuackGuru made a similar edit (). This was reverted by another editor (), but QuackGuru made the change again (). This lead to the article being locked.


*PerspicazHistorian is still using sources (see ]) and wishing to move ] to ] which is a blatant POV. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 04:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
] have previously been referred to ArbCom as well - see , & .
] (]) 16:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested :
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The following is copied from ] comments at .

Some AN/ANI sections concerning problematic behaviour:
* 2007-03 ]
* 2007-03 ] --- "His main userpage is a fork of ]."
* 2007-03 ]
* 2007-04 ]
* 2007-04 ]
* 2007-04 ] --- "Wales is also a ]."
* 2007-05 ] --- "this smacks of attempting to win an edit war through the backdoor"
* 2007-06 ] --- Report by QG, demonstrates his extreme stubbornness.
* 2007-06 ] --- "My sense is that QuackGuru cannot walk by a pile of smoldering cinders on Misplaced Pages without pouring on a can of gasoline. The above AN/I thread, in which QuackGuru accused User:Levine2112 of 'identity theft' (as far as I can tell), is a good example of this tendency."
* 2007-07 ] --- QG makes a baseless canvassing/meatpuppetry accusation.
* 2007-09 ] --- "I have blocked this user for 24 hours for edit warring. This is the third time in the last few days that he has reverted three times - on Jimbo Wales, Larry Sanger and Essjay controversy respectively. He was warned on all 3 occasions"
* 2008-01 ] --- QG released from an undiscussed indef block.
* 2008-02 ] --- "Not only is there a strong suggestion that he engaged in email canvassing, but he also accused another editor of canvassing by using highly cherry-picked diffs and conveniently failing to note that the editor in question had notified people on ''both'' sides of the fence"
* 2008-03 ]--- Classic boomerang report against Levine 2112.
* 2008-04 ]
* 2008-08 ] --- Completely baseless report by QG.
* 2008-09 ] --- "He is revert-warring her sandbox, currently at 9RR (not a typo)."
* 2008-10 ] --- The linked discussion is archived at ].
* 2008-12 ] --- "It was bad faith by DigitalC to accuse me of wiki-lawyering and harrsment. It was bad faith by Surturz to accuse me of bullying. An editor falsely accused me of readding comments to a talk page. We have a lot of WP:AGF violations today." -- "AGF does not mean OCTBIGFISOAETTC (Obstinately Continue To Believe In Good Faith In Spite Of All Evidence To The Contrary)."
* 2009-03 ]
* 2009-04 ] --- "The concern here is QuackGuru editing Jimbo's userpage to state that he was co-founder, not founder of Misplaced Pages." -- "Is this the longest running edit war in history?!? He's been doing this semi-regularly for YEARS now."
* 2009-05 ] --- " Quackguru did not just put a sockpuppet on Levine's talkpage, but he completely blanked out Levine2112's User page twice, and replaced it with a big Sockpuppet accusation, even though QuackGuru had filed no WP:SPI report."
* 2009-05 ] --- "I do not think your posts here are helpful, nor is threatening Mangojuice with a block. There is no need for admin intervention in a case where an admin just is doing his job."
* 2009-08 ] --- "If I go to a talk page and see multiple archives with no search, I will add the template Template:search archives so that the editors on that talk page can easily search the archives. QuackGuru has reverted my addition of the search box on the Larry Sanger talk page, and posts that I am a sockpuppet"
* 2009-12 ] --- QG reporting himself.
* 2010-02 ] --- Frivolous report against Rvcx for disagreeing with Larry Sanger.
* 2010-10 ] --- Ludwigs2 reports Ronz for blatant behaviour at ], and QG for supporting him. Focus is on Ronz.
* 2010-12 ] --- Report by SlimVirgin: " appears to be a fairly disruptive editor. He has a strong POV on various issues, often seems not to understand policy, and is a serial reverter. He was blocked 11 times between 2007 and 2009 for edit warring, including one indefinite block. Nowadays he reverts up to 3RR, then stops to avoid a block."
* 2010-12 ] --- Subsequent ban proposal by Ludwigs2.
* 2011-03 ] --- Report by Ludwigs2 that led to this case.

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#Warned on by {{user|FT2}}
#Warned on by {{user|Lifebaka}}

; Enforcement action requested: 9 month topic ban on all pseudoscience related articles, broadly construed.
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The summary above shows evidence of multiple blocks, and continuing disruptive editing across the area of pseudoscience articles. The main issue is a failure to abide by consensus, and reversion instead of discussion. The last topic-ban, at 6 months, was apparently not enough to prevent this type of behaviour from recurring. A longer topic-ban, or alternate remedy should be considered.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AQuackGuru&action=historysubmit&diff=438700979&oldid=438700443


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===Discussion concerning QuackGuru=== ===Discussion concerning PerspicazHistorian ===
<small>''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 ] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br />Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''</small>


====Statement by QuackGuru==== ====Statement by PerspicazHistorian ====
*By far I am also concerned how my edits were forcefully reverted without a proper reason despite providing enough references. Please check how I am getting attacked by them on ] Page.
I didn't know about the three-revert-rule before ] told me about this: ].
Please grant me one more chance, I will make sure not to edit war.<br>
*In the below statement by LukeEmily, As a reply I just want to say that I was just making obvious edit on ] by adding a list of notable people with proper references. And according to ] it is clearly said: "Edits from a slanted point of view, general insertion or removal of material, or other good-faith changes are not considered vandalism." It was a good faith edit but others reverted it. I accept my mistake of not raising it on talk page as a part of ].<br>
*As a clarification to my edit on ], it can be clearly seen that I provided enough reference to prove its a terrorist organisation as seen in this . I don't know why is there a discussion to this obvious edit? Admins please correct me if I am wrong.
:@], Yes I read about 1RR and 0RR revert rules in ]. I now understand the importance of raising the topic on talk page whenever a consensus is needed. Thank You ! ] (]) 07:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I will commit to that. ] (]) 13:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC) <small>Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 13:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC) </small>
:At that time I was new to how AFD discussions worked. Later on when ] was marked for deletion, I respected the consensus by not interfering in it. The article was later deleted. ] (]) 11:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
*Hi @] , I just checked your user page. You have 16 years (I am 19) of experience on wiki, you must be right about me. I agree that my start on Misplaced Pages has been horrible, but I am learning a lot from you all. I promise that I will do better, get more neutral here and contribute to the platform to my best. Please don't block me.
::''<small>P.S.- I don't know If I will be blocked or what , according to this enforcement rules, I just want to personally wish good luck to you for your ongoing cancer treatments, You will surely win this battle of Life. Regards.</small>'' ] (]) 12:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)<small>Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section.] (]) 15:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</small>


*1) I just asked an user @] if the page move is possible. What's wrong with it? I still have not considered putting a move request on talk page of article.
====Comments by others about the request concerning QuackGuru ====
:2) Many of other sources are not raj era. Moreover I myself have deleted the content way before you pointing this out. Thank You ! ] (]) 06:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::even @] is seen engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics. ] (]) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::as mentioned by @] before, <sub>Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here</sub>. You can discuss content related topics on talk pages of articles rather than personally targeting a user here in enforcement. ] (]) 06:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@] I once filed a to find it @] is a sock (out of a misunderstanding, as all were teamed up similarly on various pages). I think he felt it as a personal attack by me and filed this request for enforcement. Please interfere. ] (]) 06:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC) <small>moving to correct section ] (]) 13:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</small>


*Hi @] @], In my defense I just want to say that
:1)Yes I usually edit on RSS related topics, but to ensure a democratic view is maintained as many socks try to disrupt such articles. Even on ] page, I just edited on request of talk page and added a graph. I don't think its a POV push.
:2) My main interest in editing is ] and ] topics.
:3)There have been certain cases in past where I was blocked but if studied carefully they were result of me edit warring with socks(although, through guidance of various experienced editors and admins I learnt a SPI should be filed first). I have learnt a lot in my journey and there have been nearly zero case of me of edit warring this month.
:Please do not block me. ] (]) 14:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*@] I beg apologies for the inconvenience caused, thanks for correcting me. I will now reply in my own statement section. @] I am a quick learner and professionally competent to edit in this encyclopedic space. Please consider reviewing this enforcement if its an counter-attack on me as mentioned in my previous replies. You all are experienced editors and I have good faith in your decision-making capability.] (]) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*@]@] I have edited content marked as "original research" and "mess" by you, I am ready to help removing any content that might be considered "poorly sourced" by the community. Please don't block me.] (]) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*@] This enforcement started for edit-warring and now I feel its more concerned to my edited content(which I agree to cooperate and change wherever needed). After learning about edit wars, there has been no instance of me edit-warring, Please consider my request.--] (]) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@] I am not a slow learner, I understand the concerns of all admins here. I will try my best to add only reliable sources, and discuss content in all talk pages, as I already mentioned ]. ] (]) 12:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::@]@] I think admins should focus more on encouraging editors when they do good and correct when mistaken. I have made many edits, added many citations and created much articles which use fine citations. The enforcement started out of retaliation by nxcrypto, now moving towards banning me anyways. I started editing out of passion, and doing it here on wiki unlike those who come here just for pov pushes and disrupt article space(talking about socks and vandalizers on contentious Indian topics).
*::The article ] doesn't only has issue on citations, but the whole article is copypasted from the citations I added. I just wanted to point that out. Remaining about ], I am currently pursuing Btech in cs from IIT delhi, idt I am a slow learner by any means. Still, happy new year to all ! ] (]) 14:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::@] You mean to say, "<sub>The ''prasada'' is to be consumed by attendees as a holy offering. The offerings may include cooked food, ] and confectionery sweets. Vegetarian food is usually offered and later distributed to the devotees who are present in the ]. Sometimes this vegetarian offering will exclude prohibited items such as garlic, onion, mushroom, etc. "</sub> is not copy pasted by website? Is this also a wiki mirror website? How would you feel if I doubt your competence now? ] (]) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::@ ] I just asked others to share their opinion in the enforcement. With all due respect, I don't think its wrong in any sense. ] (]) 15:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::::To all the admins involved here,
*:::::* I agree to keep learning and apologize if my previous edits/replies have annoyed the admins.
*:::::* I have not edit warred since a month and please see it as my willingness to keep learning and getting better.
*:::::*Please give me a chance, I understand concern of you all and respect your opinion in the matter. But please don't block me from editing from main article space. I promise that I will abide by all the rules and will learn from other editors.
*:::::] (]) 15:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


====Statement by LukeEmily====
The evidence on the sandbox page does not appear to rise to any sufficient level for the penalty sought, IMO. ] (]) 08:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
PerspicazHistorian also violated ] by engaging in an edit war with {{u|Ratnahastin}} who reverted his edits and restored an article to a stable version by admin. Also, I want to assume good faith but it is surprising that PerspicazHistorian claims that he did not know the three revert rule given that he has more than 800 edits.] (])


=====Comment by Jojalozzo===== ====Statement by Doug Weller====
I'm involved so just commenting. I don't think this editor is competent. I had to give them a community sanction caste warning as they were making a mess of castes. See this earlier version of their talk page.]https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:PerspicazHistorian&oldid=1262289249] and ]'s comment that "It was very unwise of you to keep moving ] to article space when it has not passed review. As a direct result of your actions, a deletion discussion is taking place, and when this is complete and the article is deleted, you will be prevented from recreating it. ] (]) 14:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)" There have also been copyright issues. I strongly support a topic ban. ] ] 11:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
QuackGuru has been advocating doggedly since last fall for the use of a research paper (Matute et al.) as a source in ]. The and in (where QG recently sought support for his position) is that the paper is not suited for QG's proposed use. As I understand it, one of the reasons for this enforcement request is QG's recent edits in Pseudoscience that included the disputed use of the paper in violation of consensus and two reversions of other editors' attempts (including mine) to enforce consensus.


:::I won't be involved in the decision. No more treatments for me, just coast until... ] ] 12:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
I find QG's discussion style tenditious, accusatory, repetitive, and notable for ]. QG's talk page posts often consist of cryptic prose interspersed with links to policy and old diffs and unexplained quotations from Misplaced Pages articles and journal papers. I have rarely received a response to requests for clarifying explanations. I have not seen QG back down gracefully from a dispute even when doors are held open and I have seen little sign of skill in handling interpersonal friction. The result is a pointless standoff that drives many participants away and sucks all joy from the work.


====Statement by Toddy1====
The cost to the project in energy and time expended on this single proposed use of one research paper is disproportionately large. As I understand it, this experience is being repeated in other articles and has been going on for years (]). There is no indication that QG is able to correct this behavior beyond regular periods of lying low and unfortunately this ducking down has been rewarded with shortened bans and leniency despite the lack of real behavioral change. Even with the proposed remedy, the most it appears we can hope for is nine months of respite before we are all back at it again on the same issue or something similar. There are those who see another side to QG and advocate for mercy but in my experience the costs significantly outweigh any benefits.
This is another editor who appears to have pro-] (RSS) and pro-] (BJP) views. I dislike those views, but find it rather alarming that Misplaced Pages should seek to censor those views, but not the views of the political opponents. Imagine the outrage if we sought to topic-ban anyone who expressed pro-] views, but allowed ] to say whatever they liked.
<font color="#500000">]</font><font color="#005000">]</font> 05:14, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


A lot of pro-RSS/BJP editors turn out to be sock-puppets, so please can we do a checkuser on this account. And to be even-handed, why not checkuser NXcrypto too.
While QG has not participated here, s/he left a good on my talk page (not the first by any means) since I posted the comment above. It is representative of the discussion style I have described though understandably more accusatory. <font color="#500000">]</font><font color="#005000">]</font> 20:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


If we want to talk about ] when editors make mistakes, look at the diff given by NXcrypto for "Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested" - it is the wrong diff. He/she did notify PerspicazHistorian - but the correct diff is .
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A topic ban from Indian topics would be unhelpful, unless given to both parties. Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India. Loading the dice against BJP and RSS editors will turn Misplaced Pages into a fringe encyclopaedia on Indian topics.
Ten days into this request for enforcement and still at ] and continues to insist those in opposition to her/his proposal repeat their reasons. Not only is this more evidence of not hearing about that dispute but also not hearing about this request. <font color="#500000">]</font><font color="#005000">]</font> 02:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


I can see a good case for restricting PerspicazHistorian to draft articles and talk pages for a month, and suggesting that he/she seeks advice from more experienced editors. Another solution would be a one-revert rule to last six months.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 13:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
=====Comment by Becritical=====


====Statement by Capitals00====
My views on this subject are . I've had only one slight interaction with this user since, but it's obvious my opinion does not need modification. And I do not see any reason for a topic ban: an indef block is called for. '''BE'''—<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:2px 7px 4px 0px;text-shadow:white 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;font-size:100%;">—'''Critical'''</span><sub>__]</sub> 02:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
I find the comment from {{U|Toddy1}} to be entirely outrageous. What are you trying to tell by saying "{{tq|Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India}}"? If you want us to entertain those who are in power, then we could never have an article like ].


You cannot ask topic ban for both editors without having any evidence of misconduct. Same way, you cannot ask CU on either user ]. It is a high time that you should strike your comment, since you are falsely accusing others that they "{{tq|seek to censor}}" this editor due to his "{{tq| pro-Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) views}}". You should strike your comment. If you cannot do that, then I am sure ] is coming for you. ] (]) 15:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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I think this exchange is a good microcosm of why we're here:
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::On the contrary, you are (in the content dispute) and have refused to collabrate. ] (]) 20:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Telling you I don't want to be involved doesn't equal involvement. I made one comment on the Pseudoscience talk page, months ago. '''BE'''—<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:2px 7px 4px 0px;text-shadow:white 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;font-size:100%;">—'''Critical'''</span><sub>__]</sub> 04:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
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====Statement by Vanamonde93====
That's from . QG saying I'm "involved" in the content dispute and "refused to collaborate" after one comment months ago is one of those things that reminds me of the quote from Mein Kampf, where he says that the people are suspicious of little lies, but since they don't tell big lies themselves, they aren't suspicious of big lies. Sorry to pull the Nazi card :P Ah here it is I do notice this principle at work on Misplaced Pages sometimes. In this case QG is basically pulling so much ] that he's unlikely to be challenged, or so that refutations seem weak by comparison. '''BE'''—<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:2px 7px 4px 0px;text-shadow:white 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;font-size:100%;">—'''Critical'''</span><sub>__]</sub> 13:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
{{U|Toddy1}}: I, too, am baffled by your comment. We don't ban editors based on their POV; but we do ban editors who fail to follow our PAGs, and we certainly don't make excuses for editors who fail to follow our guidelines based on their POV. You seem to be suggesting we cut PH some slack because of their political position, and I find that deeply inappropriate. Among other things, I don't believe they have publicly stated anywhere that they support the BJP or the RSS, and we cannot make assumptions about them.


That said, the fact that this was still open prompted me to spot-check PH's contributions, and I find a lot to be concerned about. is from 29 December, and appears to be entirely original research; I cannot access all of the sources, but snippet search does not bear out the content added, and the Raj era source for the first sentence certainly does not support the content it was used for. ], entirely authored by PH, is full of puffery ({{tq|"first to sacrifice his life for the cause of Swarajya"}}, and poor sources (like , and , whose blurb I leave you to judge), from which most of the article appears to be drawn. ], also entirely authored by PH, has original research in its very first sentence; the sources that I can access give passing mention to people whose names include the suffix "appa", and thus could perhaps be examples of usage, but the sources most certainly do not bear out the claim.
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I will note in fairness that I cannot access all the sources for the content I checked. But after spotchecking a dozen examples I have yet to find content PH wrote that was borne out by a reliable source, so I believe skepticism is justified. We are in territory where other editors may need to spend days cleaning up some of this writing. {{U|Bishonen}} If we're in CIR territory, just a normal indefinite block seems cleanest, surely? Or were you hoping that PH would help clean up their mess, perhaps by providing quotes from sources? That could be a pathway to contributing productively, but I'm not holding my breath. ] (]) 18:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Disclosure: I just made an edit to the ] talk page having to do with consensus and QG. '''BE'''—<span style="background:black;color:white;padding:2px 7px 4px 0px;text-shadow:white 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;font-size:100%;">—'''Critical'''</span><sub>__]</sub> 18:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


:Thanks Bish: I agree, as my exchanges with PH today, in response to my first post here, have not inspired confidence. . ] (]) 20:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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====Statement by UtherSRG====
I have been asked to further substantiate this request, which I find suprising given the overwhelming evidence of disruption, especially looking at the second to last ANI thread. I was told that it is needed to show that "there is something unusual about the current situation that marks it as more than a routine content dispute", which I think should be clear from the fact that his disruptive editing has persisted for years, across many areas, but largely focused on topics related to pseudoscience. He has been involved in multiple ArbComs, and this current case shows that it is not simply a content dispute because the behaviour is spread over three articles, with three separate disputes.
I've mostly dealt with PH around ]. They do not seem to have the ability to read and understand our policies and processes. As such, a t-ban is too weak. The minimum I would support is a p-block as suggested below, though a full indef is also acceptable. They could then ask for the ] when they can demonstrate they no longer have ] issues. - ] ] 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*At ], there was consensus (http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Chiropractic/Archive_33#Changes_needed_in_the_LEAD],) to include the source (Bronfort et al.) in the article, and no consensus to remove it. QG's edit was to remove this source against consensus (), even though at least 4 people supported its inclusion and he was the only one who did not support its use.
*The issue at ] also involved the use of a source, (Matute et al.). At it appears QG was the only one arguing for use of this source, with 5 dissenting editors. An RFC was conducted at the article talk page, with a referendum showing 5 users supported removing the content, with only QG disagreeing (). A poll for consensus was also conducted () which did not show consensus for the sources use - editors who contributed to the discussion were generally against its use, while editors who supported its use generally did not respond to follow up questions/comments. Despite knowing s/he was editing against consensus, QG inserted the content & source into the article () and edit-warred to try to keep it there.
*QG was also editing against consensus at ], where 6 editors appeared against his changes, with only QG supporting the changes. (,), yet made the change anyway ().
Editing against consensus is not a content issue, it is a conduct issue. Misplaced Pages by necessesity relies on a collaborative editing process, which cannot work when editors ignore the input of others (]?). This behaviour is not limited to one article, and the behaviour has continued for years despite previous sanctions. ] (]) 02:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


:Based on , I'm more strongly leaning towards indef. - ] ] 12:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:I wish to reinforce DC's position, that we are not asking for resolution in the current disputes. Where there are supporters for QG's position we should be able to resolve our differences quietly ourselves. These disputes are only live examples of a years-long problem of tenditious editorial conduct that shows no signs of abating or responding to administrative action. We are asking for an end to QG's not-hearing, uncooperative, POV-pushing, debilitating style of participation. <font color="#500000">]</font><font color="#005000">]</font> 01:13, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
::They now indicate they believe the article they edited was copied from one of the websites they used as a reference, when in reality the website is a mirror/scrape of the Misplaced Pages article. I believe we are firmly in ] territory here. - ] ] 14:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::: is a mirror of the Misplaced Pages article. - ] ] 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


===Result concerning PerspicazHistorian ===
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QG is a difficult editor to work with. He slings policy violation accusations around and he always interprets policy extremely narrowly to support his views. When he finds consensus against him he posts long a accusatory talk page comments. When they are ignored he waits for a few weeks before starting again.


{{u|PerspicazHistorian}}, can you explain your understanding of ] and the ] rule? I'd like you to read thoroughly enough to also explain wny someone may be edit warring ''even if they aren't breaking 3RR''. ] (]) 21:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
QG has an extremely literal interpretation of policy and a declamatory way of speaking to other editors. In practice it means he will take any quote from any peer-reviewed source and restate it in an article as plain fact. He does not think editors can consider the quality of the source, the context of the source, the quality of the quote (whether it is a passing statement or a researched conclusion), the claim being made, alternative sources, or anything involving editors' discretion. He then tells other editors who disagree with them that they are violating policy; he states this as a simple fact without attempt at communication, consensus, or compromise.
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:@], that explanation of edit warring is a bit wanting. An edit war is when two or more editors revert content additions/removals repeatedly. Even a second reversion by the same editor can be considered edit warring. Best practice -- and what I highly recommend, especially for any inexperienced editor -- is ''the first time'' someone reverts an edit of yours, go to the talk page, open a section, ping the editor who reverted you, and discuss. Do you think you can commit to that?
:<small>Re: your question on why your "obvious edit" was reverted: we don't deal with content issues here, only with behavior issues, but from a very quick look, the source is 50 years old, and using a list headed "TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS LISTED IN THE FIRST SCHEDULE OF THE UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES (PREVENTION) ACT, 1967" that includes a certain organization as a source that the organization should be described as a terrorist organization is ]; in their ] NXcrypto provided an edit summary of "Not a reliable source for such a contentious label. See WP:LABEL." Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here.</small> ] (]) 11:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'm seeing this as a CIR issue. I'd like input from other admins, if possible. I'm a little concerned that setting a tban from IPA is just setting a trap. Maybe a p-block from article space would be a kinder way to allow them to gain some experience? ] (]) 13:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@], have you seen how many times I or others have had to move your comments to your own section? This is an example of not having enough experience to edit productively. Please do not post in anyone else's section again. ] (]) 16:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I do agree we're in CIR territory, and the concerns expressed are completely valid. I don't think this editor is ill-intentioned. They just don't seem very motivated to learn quickly. Well-intentioned-but-a-slow-learner is something that can only be fixed by actually practicing what you're bad at. I'd prefer an indef from article space which gives them one more chance to learn here before we send them off to mr.wiki or Simple English to try to learn. Not a hill I'm going to die on, though. ] (]) 11:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@], like Uther I have major concerns about the edit you made yesterday, which included replacing a citation needed tag with these sources.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Significance of Different Type of Prasad in Hinduism For God |url=https://www.ganeshaspeaks.com/predictions/astrology/prasad-food-for-god/ |access-date=2024-12-30 |website=GaneshaSpeaks |language=en-GB}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=What Is Prashad |url=https://www.swaminarayan.faith/articles/what-is-prashad |access-date=2024-12-30 |website=Shree Swaminarayan Mandir Bhuj |language=en}}</ref> The first is a company that markets astrology services. The second is the site for a religious sect. Neither is a reliable source for explaining the concept of prasada in Wikivoice. You made this edit ''yesterday'', after you'd confirmed here and on my talk that you understood sourcing policy.
:::::The reason for an indef from article space is to allow you to learn this policy: You would go into article talk and suggest sources to fix citation needed tags. Another editor would have to agree with you that the sources are reliable before they'd add them. ] (]) 12:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*A tban from IPA for PerspicazHistorian would be a relief to many editors trying to keep this difficult area in reasonable shape. However, Valereee makes a good point about 'setting a trap': it's doubtful that PH would be able to keep to a tban even if they tried in good faith. I would therefore support a p-block from article space. ] &#124; ] 16:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
*:{{u|Vanamonde93}}, no, I don't really think PH can usefully help clean up their mess; I was following Valereee, who has been going into this in some depth, in attempting to keep some way of editing Misplaced Pages open for PH. It's a bit of a counsel of desperation, though; there is very little daylight between an indef and a p-block from article space. Yes, we ''are'' in CIR territory; just look at PH's ] for NXcrypto being "engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics": one diff of an opponent complaining on NXcrypto's page, and one diff of somebody reverting NXcrypto. What do those actually prove? That NXcrypto has opponents (big surprise). So, yes, as you suggest, I'll support an indef as well. ] &#124; ] 20:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
*Is there a length of time proposed for the p-ban or would it be indefinite? ] (]) 17:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I would say indefinite; not infinite, but I'd be wary about letting them back into articlespace without some kind of preclearance. ] (] • she/her) 18:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*It looks to me like there is a consensus for an indefinite partial block for PerspicazHistorian from article space. Unless any uninvolved admin objects within a day or so, I will close as such. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 06:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Given PH's recent slew of requests on multiple admin talk pages, yes, please do. - ] ] 12:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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What particularly bothers me is his response to other editors' good faith attempts at collaboration. I recently tried to write some pseudoscience/public-health text with ] and QG continued slinging accusations and criticism on OM's talk page where he was neither involved nor invited. ].
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==LaylaCares==
This behavior has a chilling effect at articles. Simply, people don't want to deal with QG's objections and accusations when they have constructive suggestions to make, and they don't want to hear his policy declarations when he has suggestions to make. They get tired of hearing the same arguments over and over and not having their own opinions considered. QG has tired out some of the most mainstream and respected editors I've come across on the entire project with his narrow views, endless point-making, and generally uncooperative approach.
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===Request concerning LaylaCares===
Given that, I'd like to try something different to redirect his editing efforts. Perhaps a topic ban, perhaps a mentor, perhaps an agreement not to accuse editors of violating policy. I'm not sure what the community feels is best but I think some explicit guidance for QG would be helpful.
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=====Comment by Jfdwolff=====
My only disagreement with QuackGuru has been over the phrasing of 1-2 sentences on ], an article which I brought to GA status earlier this year. I am not given to support pseudoscience-based treatments such as chiropractic, but QuackGuru's approach has found me siding with his opponents. I refer to DigitalC's statement, which shows that QuackGuru started fisking the content of ] on ]. A revert war ensued, followed by the article being protected in the "wrong version". QuackGuru has not persuaded anyone that his version is any better. His almost robotic insistence on using a particular source that has demonstrable weaknesses has been mind-numbingly frustrating, and I personally can still not get used to his habit of mockingly echoing someone's response. ]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;] 20:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
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:]: I am offering a by DreamGuy which is still relevant to the current personal disgreement with reliable sources. Do you accept the text is sourced from a reliable peer-reviewed source. See this . See . See . See . These diffs show I tried to explain the text is relevant. Do you accept that with certain articles editors are unable to justify there edit. For example, an editor wrote But I did provide V on the talk page. Does anyone agree the . I think this is a serious matter of ] and I propose the dispute be taken the the NPOV noticeboard where uninvolved editors could participate and determine the ] based on Misplaced Pages policy and not a disagreement with mainstream research.
:]: I did not delete the report from chiropractic completely. I removed the text that , however.
:]: {{cite journal |author=Ernst E |title=Adverse effects of spinal manipulation: a systematic review |journal=J R Soc Med |volume=100 |issue=7 |pages=330–8 |year=2007 |month=July |pmid=17606755 |pmc=1905885 |doi=10.1258/jrsm.100.7.330 |url=http://jrsm.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/full/100/7/330}} This source is not relevant to VAD (]) while editors are unable to provide V for the text that is .
:I might have convinced editors that the text is closer to NPOV version and .
:{{cite journal |journal= Int J Clin Pract |year=2010 |volume=64 |issue=6 |pages=673–7 |title= Vascular accidents after neck manipulation: cause or coincidence? |author= Ernst E |doi=10.1111/j.1742-1241.2009.02237.x |pmid=20518945}} I propose to replace the coatrack source with the relevant source. ] (]) 23:09, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
:If you take a look at the article history there are that do support the inclusion of the matters. There were in favor of using the source for the public health issues.
:I am waiting for admins to close the three named debates to determine CON, especially for the pseudoscience page. According to CON editors must abide by CON. This is not my rule. This is Misplaced Pages's consensus for all editors. As for the pseudoscience article a possible compromise is to quote the source so there won't be any issues about sourcing. I realise there are ] editors that will be part of the consensus process. ] (]) 04:19, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


=====Comment by Hans Adler=====
There is nothing much to add to QuackGuru's bizarre claim that he has "CON" on his side in all those discussions. But it's worth repeating what Becritical said above: This is not just about pseudoscience. QG behaves like this in all areas in which he is active; it's just that he is more active in pseudoscience-related areas, overall, than in others. I had a similar dispute with him 1 1/2 years ago at ]. Then 1/2 year ago at ], you can see how '''QG made it clear to ''David Gerard'' and ''SlimVirgin'' that they can't rewrite the article because he owns it'''. A topic ban would probably channel QG's activity to non-pseudoscience topics, which is a good thing only insofar as this would lead more quickly to a full, indefinite site ban. ] ] 06:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

=====Comment by WhatamIdoing=====
I have waffled about posting anything. I don't have anything positive to say about this person, and Misplaced Pages is not generally made a more collegial place by publicly telling people how badly they're failing. I generally avoid QuackGuru as a hopeless waste of time unless the article turns up on a noticeboard, in which case I try to do my bit to resolve the dispute. I no longer believe that QG has the ] to be a successful editor. No amount of mentoring on Misplaced Pages is going to change that.

A typical discussion with QG looks something like this:

:QG: ''I say it's foo''.
:Six other editors: ''No, it's not foo.''
:QG: ''I say it's foo, and I have a source that says so''.
:Six other editors: ''No, it's not foo, and your source has the following flaws:...''
:QG: ''I say it's foo, and I have a source that says so, and I say you haven't provided V''.
:Six other editors: ''No, it's not. Your source is badly flawed, and here are three high-quality sources that say not-foo.''
:QG: ''I say it's foo, and I have a source that says so, and I say you haven't provided V, and I say that the CON is that it's foo''.

While I'm aware that the community consensus ''could'' vest with a single individual—one good editor plus the community "outvotes" any two spammers you care to name—but it is astonishing how often QG believes that uniform opposition from multiple experienced editors, or very lopsided majorities directly opposing his plans, is somehow proof that everyone agrees with him ("consensus"). Query: If the consensus really ''was'' with QG, then why is his version almost always successfully edit-warred out of existence? Isn't "lots of people keep removing my stuff" pretty much the definition of "no consensus to include my stuff"?

I'd love to have another '''competent''' anti-garbage editor. QG, unfortunately, isn't going to be that person. I think we would actually be better off without him. ] (]) 01:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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*Some people might consider this to be a simple content dispute at three different venues. But if QuackGuru is clearly reverting against consensus, some action could be taken. The problem is determining what the consensus is. I suggest that the submitter, DigitalC, ask at a noticeboard for an uninvolved admin to close the three named discussions: those at ], ] and ]. This AE request might be put on hold temporarily, without prejudice, while waiting for those threads to be closed. I observe that QG has been for as long as six months in the past, and his current behavior is getting close to the line. If he agrees to accept the consensus in the three cases, action may not be needed. ] (]) 03:10, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
:*My check of the ] debate indicates that consensus is against including the Matute reference as a source for the public-health significance of pseudoscience. I would welcome an assurance from QuackGuru that he will refrain from as a source for the statement "Pseudoscience related issues are a critical matter that involves public health" until consensus changes. Are there any other AE admins who are not on vacation? I'd welcome assistance in checking consensus in the other cases, ] and ]. I suggest that if QuackGuru is willing to respond here and discuss the issues, that would be a favorable event. We could then adopt a closure of this AE which results in settling the three named disputes. If he won't respond here, we should consider imposing editing restrictions. ] (]) 17:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
::*I wish more admins would join in here, but the way this is going suggests a restriction is needed. The submitter requests "9 month topic ban on all pseudoscience related articles, broadly construed." At first this seemed excessive, but the tone of QuackGuru's submissions suggests that he is not open to any negotiation about his style of editing. His behavior in the three discussions reported in the complaint matches , "One who repeats the same argument without convincing people." Jfdwolff, who I might have guessed would often be joining with QG to defend mainstream medicine, asserts above ''"His almost robotic insistence on using a particular source that has demonstrable weaknesses has been mind-numbingly frustrating.."'' ] (]) 04:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

* Taking into account the evidence by DigitalC (which I find especially compelling) and the long history of non-constructive contributions, I support the proposal to topic-ban QuackGuru, and am willing to support one with a duration of nine months (though I would have opted for six months unless there are previous topic-bans that I have missed). Also, thank you to Ed for keeping this process ticking over while the rest of us enjoy the summer :). ]<small> <nowiki>]<nowiki>]</nowiki></small> 23:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
* I broadly concur with EdJohnston and AGK. ] (]) 17:54, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
** One caveat: given the extensive history here, I cannot help but think that a ]-style indefinite topic ban would be a better option. ] (]) 18:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
*Due to the long history of problems, the persuasive evidence from DigitalC and the agreement by two other admins that some kind of topic ban is needed, I am closing this request with a one-year topic ban of QuackGuru from both pseudoscience and chiropractic, broadly construed. In response to AGK's question, the previous ban was six months from the topic of chiropractic, . Since there is no apparent progress in QG's approach to editing pseudoscience topics since the previous ban, a doubling of the duration is logical. ] (]) 03:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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== Reenem ==
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Reenem continues to ignore WP's policy on marking edits as minor when they are in fact not minor. All the edits are typically involve changing the status of ] from being occupied to either being "captured" or part of municipal ]. Of course, these are in no way minor edits. In fact, in a topic are so contentious as the I/P area is, it is nothing more than disruptive and sneaky editing practices.
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# Changes status of East Jerusalem from being occupied to being "captured". Marks the edit as minor.
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#<s> Adds that Jerusalem is Israel's capital (something that nearly the entire world doesn't recognize) and adds that it is Israel's largest city (which is only true of the population of occupied East Jerusalem is included again something that is very contentious). Marks the edit as minor.</s>
# Removes East Jerusalem from the Mount of olives article and replaces it with "Jerusalem". And again, marks the edit as minor.


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I then continued on the same to further clarify with Reneem why the edits were being marked as minor -- Reneem never responded.


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<s>]</s> Upon further thought, I think it would be better if Reneem was sternly warned that that continuing the action of marking un-minor edits as minor would lead to further action in A/E and that Reneem gave a statement committing not to continue such actions. Also, if such a warning could be logged . I think this is a fairly considerable request considering that me and another editor have gone out of our ways to inform Reneem editing like this violates WP policy -- all to receive a insincere response or, my case, no response at all.
:Then again, the editor has made dozens of edits and has not once replied on this thread or to the thread on their talk page. I think a block is needed now, if only at least to get their attention. It seems this user also has no interest in working collaboratively. -] (]) 13:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


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Pretty obvious case of EC gaming. Account created on Nov 17, 2024, then about 500 mostly minor edits followed by the first substantial edit ever was the creation of on Dec 17 (subsequently moved to draftspace).''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 08:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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This user seems to have a disruptive practice of editing in the I/P area in general (as is evidenced by the numerous complaints by other users on Reneem's talk page about various subjects relating to the conflict).
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'''Wow!!''' -- Yet again, that would be viewed very controversial by many and''' marks it as minor.''' I really hope some action will be taken, I think there is no better time for a block than this. Reenem seems insistent on spitting in the face of those who wish to work by the policies of WP. (BTW, this wasn't the first time Reneem made such edits and marked them as minor with regards to the Golan Heights, see and ). -] (]) 11:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


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===Discussion concerning Reneem=== ===Discussion concerning LaylaCares===
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====Statement by Aquillion====
====Comments by others about the request concerning Reneem ====
Question: Assuming it's determined that they gamed the extended-confirmed restriction, would the page they created be ]-able? I've asked the relevant question in more detail ], since it is likely to come up again as long as we have such a broad restriction on effect, but I figured it was worth mentioning the issue here as well. --] (]) 14:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
=====Comment by ElComandanteChe=====
Reenem is a massive content contributor: 92% of his 20000+ edits are in article space. He had and still have , but these have nothing to do with the alleged disruptive editing in the P/I area. --] (]) 17:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
:This seems to confirm that the editor does not take part in discussions, does not justify their edits, and does not respond to questions. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 12:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
::Fortunately, this is not accompanied by edit warring, incivility, stalking and other acts of bravery typical for this board. --] (]) 15:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


=====Query by Jaakobou===== ===Statement by Dan Murphy===
Please look at ], written by the account under discussion. It's a hit job, originally placed in mainspace by this account. Anyone who wrote that shouldn't be allowed with 1 million miles of the topic.] (]) 23:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Why would the mountain of olives be in "East" Jerusalem?? Unlike the removal, whomever pushed this political bit into the lead made quite a provocative editorial choice. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 16:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
:Because it's in ] ? Just guessing. . <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 18:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
::There's a reason 'East Jerusalem' is not a separate city on any map. It's political hackery of the lowest kind shoved into the first paragraph on a neutral encyclopaedia project. Reminds me of a picture I've recently seen with Mubarak Photoshopped to walk in front of Obama instead of alongside Netanyahu -- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/16/egyptian-newspaper-alters_n_719504.html. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 10:03, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Sean's explanation and your objection is perfect proof of how it was an entirely disruptive edit when Reneem removed "East" and marked the edit as minor. In the end, this thread is about marking un-minor edits as minor, not about Jerusalem vs East Jerusalem. But thank you for demonstrating the contention in the subject area. -] (]) 11:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Any objection here shows a preference to politically motivated polemics over a proper first paragraph on an encyclopaedia. Although not as obvious, it is akin to vandalism. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 12:30, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
::::'''OUTSTANDING''' I've had the fortitude to click on the 'zoom in' button a couple times in the link provided by Sean. You know what it said? '''Jerusalem''' '''''<small>(not "East Jerusalem")</small>'''''. As such, I reiterate my initial statement that, unlike the removal of this borderline vandalism (akin to the image of Mubarak), whomever pushed this political bit into the lead made quite a provocative editorial choice. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 13:09, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


=====Comment by No More Mr Nice Guy===== ====Statement by starship.paint====
I've edited Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations, so Dan Murphy's link is inaccurate for the purposes of this discussion. For the version of Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations with content only written by LaylaCares, . '''] (] / ])''' 10:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@Ed - FWIW, in the diff you gave the law does specifically apply to Palestinian residents and not all residents.


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I agree that Reenem better come over here and defend himself before he finds himself smacked with a restriction completely disproportionate to what he's been doing and his history of previous sanctions. ] (]) 09:17, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


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=====Comment by Chesdovi=====
Am I allowed to comment here under Topic ban? ] (]) 12:37, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
:I want to add something to what Jakobau has said? ] (]) 13:51, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
::Chesdovi, you're not allowed to comment here unless someone makes a complaint about *your* editing. In that case you would be entitled to respond. ] (]) 14:18, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Can I complain about Asad's editing in this area? ] (]) 14:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
::::You can't post here or at any admin noticeboards since you would be complaining about Asad's editing of I/P. You are "banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces, for one year." ] (]) 15:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::That was the reason why I was banned this time, b/c I brought a case against Asad from 5 months ago, (okay, it was in response to his report against me, but still). You see, if in one year I complain about things now, I wil get banned again and Asad will kept on with his edit style! Oh well, sometimes you can never win. ] (]) 16:17, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


===Result concerning LaylaCares===
=====Comment by Peter Cohen=====
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It's about a year and a half since Reenem was last blocked and that was shortened after discussion. Rather than jumping straight to a long block or topic ban, mightn't a short block attract his/her attention, at which point you might be able to engage him/her in a discussion about the original issues raised?--] (]) 13:42, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
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*I agree that this looks like EC-gaming. Absent evidence that the edits themselves were problematic, I would either TBAN from ARBPIA or pull the EC flag until the user has made 500 edits that aren't rapidfire possibly LLM-assisted gnomish edits. ] (]) 17:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*I agree on the gaming piece and would suggest mainspace edits+time for restoration of EC. I will throw out 3 months + 500 (substantive) main space edits. ] (]) 17:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*I agree with Barkeep but I'd up it to 4 months. I don't believe that a TBAN is necessary at this point. ] (]/]) 04:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*@]: I agree that the draft should be G5'd, but will wait for consensus to develop here. ] (]/]) 01:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I don't think the wording of ] allows for deletion of a page that was created by an EC user. <small>(ECR also seems to forget that anything other than articles and talkpages exists, but I think the most reasonable reading of provision A still allows for G5ing drafts at admins' discretion if the criteria are met.)</small> That said, a consensus at AE can delete a page as a "reasonable measure that necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project". Deleting under that provision is not something to be done lightly, but I think for a case where a page's existence violates the spirit of an ArbCom restriction but not the letter, it'd be a fair time to do it. And/or this could make for a good ARCA question, probably after PIA5 wraps. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 03:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*I would just pull EC and require the editor to apply via AE appeal for its restoration. They should be very clearly aware that receiving such restoration will require both substantial time and making ''real'', substantive edits outside the area, as well as an understanding of what is expected of editors working in a CTOP area. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 01:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*I see a clear consensus here to remove the EC flag. For clarity, when I proposed a TBAN above it was because removing this flag ''is'' an ARBPIA TBAN as long as the ECR remedy remains in place; it's simply a question of whether the editor get the other privileges of EC or not. I don't see a consensus on what to do with the draft, but given that other editors have now made substantive contributions to it, I don't believe it's a good use of AE time to discuss the hypothetical further. ] (]) 17:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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==AstroGuy0==
=====Comment by jd2718=====
{{hat|{{u|AstroGuy0}} has been issued a warning for source misrepresentation by {{u|Voorts}}. No other reviewers have expressed any wish for further action. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 06:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC) }}
I'm concerned that Reneem's editing, with few summaries and non-minor edits marked as minor, extends beyond the bounds of this arbitration decision. And he's prolific. And he tends to edit in more controversial areas. His contributions show this, and his talk page is littered with it. Get his attention (block). He needs to commit to (accurately) summarizing his edits for other editors to see. ] (]) 01:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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===Request concerning AstroGuy0===
=====Comment by Ohiostandard=====
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Hemiauchenia}} 03:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|AstroGuy0}}<p>{{ds/log|AstroGuy0}}</p>
Reenem's editing style came to my attention for the first time last month after he undertook a strongly POV 3 and 1/2 hour rewrite of one of our most contentious articles, ]. I objected and, along with other editors, tried to address his changes on the talk page; that ''extensive'' effort is very fully documented in ] ] ].


That AGF effort was entirely wasted with respect to Reenem: He ignored every editor who contributed to the talk page, despite the strong consensus there that he needed to discuss such sweeping changes. He didn't make even a single response to any concern raised about his desired changes, but in subsequent editing sessions simply reinstated them.

to work with other editors. It's my impression that he thinks it's more effective re his goals here to simply try to unilaterally rewrite the articles to suit his POV, rather than to engage in any consensual or collaborative effort. &nbsp;–&nbsp;<font face="Cambria">] (])</font> 10:35, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

=====Comment by Mirokado=====

A lot of my time was also wasted with the incident mentioned ] by Ohiostandard. Reenem is ''still'' for that article. (For full disclosure, I have those changes, see the edit summary).

I suggest that the admin taking action address both the concerns raised in the comments here&nbsp;– inappropriate marking of edits as minor and lack of edit summaries&nbsp;– as they both make it systematically difficult for other editors to review the changes made.

We need admin action to "encourage" Reenem to edit responsibly because the only practical way a normal user can deal with a succession of such edits is to revert them wholesale straight away. We would then of course hit 1RR on many of these controversial articles and might appear to be hounding Reenem or being petty. I have already provided an which I will use when deciding to revert unexplained edits. --] (]) 12:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

===Result concerning Reenem===
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Unless I missed something, diff #4 was not marked as a minor edit. ] (]) 14:09, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
*Since this AE request was opened, Reenem has continued to edit and has not responded to any messages left on their talk. They are still marking edits as 'minor' on I/P articles that are not minor. The most recent was , at ], which changes 'resident' to 'Palestinian resident.' Since ] won't reply or negotiate, if we consider this issue significant our only option is to impose a block or restriction. For example a ban on labelling any edits 'minor' on I/P articles for three months. Another possibility is a 24-hour block. The problem of the minor edits which are not minor has continued for several months, judging from their talk page. They have pushed other boundaries as well. The editor was warned that they broke 1RR on ] on 6 June. They did not acknowledge the warning or undo their edit. Reenem has already been notified under ARBPIA. ] (]) 02:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
*We can't have editors refusing to engage with others when making contentious edits in a difficult area. Propose a 3 month ban from all I/P related articles. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 04:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
*Agree with Spartaz. ] (]) 12:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
*Concur with my colleagues, a 3 month topic ban, with a crystal-clear warning that if problems return in October, the next one could well be permanent. ] 04:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
This request has been open for a whole week now, and Reenem has had ample opportunity to respond, yet failed to do so. Per the consensus of uninvolved administrators above, and under the authority of ], {{user|Reenem}} is hereby banned from all articles and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all non-Talk namespaces for three months. Reenem is allowed to participate in discussions related to the topic area. Should Reenem be able to demonstrate their ability to engage with other editors, this ban may be lifted early; conversely, continued refusal to discuss with editors with good-faith concerns may result in extension of the ban, up to and including for an indefinite period. ] (]) 18:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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==Communicat==
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===Request concerning Communicat===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : ] (]) 09:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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(Even though this isn't the usual R&I fare, I consider the intersection of "Race/ethnicity and sex offending", to come under "the intersection of '''race/ethnicity''' and human abilities '''and behaviour'''")


; ] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it : ; ] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :
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# Asserts that "A majority of the perpetrators were Pakistani men" despite the cited source (freely accessible at ) does not mention the word "Pakistani" or any variant once.
User {{user|Communikat}}, who claims on his talk page to the same user as {{user|Communicat}}, has started editing the ] article. Most of his edits have been reverted or challenged by editors at that page, and he has almost immediately resorted to personal attacks and assumptions of bad faith.
# Describes the sex offender ring as "Pakistani" in the opening sentence when the cited source in the body says that they were only "mainly Pakistani"


; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any :
# Accuses {{user|Nick-D}} of stalking and hounding him.
# Accuses {{user|Edward321}} of vandalism after a single revert which Edward321 clearly justified with a lengthy edit description.
# Accuses {{user|Edward321}} of a pattern of disruption and harassment, referring to previous interactions they have had on other articles. (Final paragraph)
# Claims that {{user|Edward321}} has a history of hounding him.
# Concludes that {{user|Edward321}} intentions are not to improve the article. (Final paragraph)
# Accuses me ({{user|HiltonLange}})of being too busy with "edit warring, disruptive point scoring, exagerated claims, importing external disputes, reviving ], expressing ], painting rosy POV pictures, ignoring the warts; and all the rest.". (Final paragraph of the edit)


;If ] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see ]):
I have tried to read the arbitration history, but am not previously familiar with ], but two other aspects concern me. He claims that he is free to use ] under ], but that policy specifically excludes accounts under sanctions to evade scrutiny. User ] is still under restriction from previous rulings.
Additionally, he has revealed on his talk page that he is Stan Winer ], author and publisher of http://www.truth-hertz.net. Since most of his previous conflicts seem to be around trying to get editors to accept that website as a reliable reference, and he has repeatedly used it to reference his edits, isn't that an intentional attempt to sidestep ], or even a kind of sock puppetry?


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Since multiple sanctions against the user have not changed his behavior, and he has repeatedly over the course of many months and multiple dispute resolutions continued to violate his restriction from attacking other editors, he should be blocked.

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===Discussion concerning Communicat===


This new user seems intent on POVPUSHING regarding "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" and making contentious claims that are not backed up by sources. ] (]) 03:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
====Statement by Communicat====
<s>I intend contesting this matter within one week, when time permits. Watch this space. ] (]) 14:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)</s>


===Discussion concerning AstroGuy0===
;Summary:
<small>''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 ] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br />Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''</small>
This request should be dismissed as premature. The requesting party has not attempted properly to resolve his complaints through discussion as per ]. Editors on both sides of politically charged subjects can rationally discuss their positions, find common ground, and unemotionally document their differences. Nine hours after filing his enforcement request, the filing party manifested a willingness to resolve through appropriate discussion a certain . I declined pending withdrawal, if any, or formal conclusion of his AE request. I believe the filing by him of his AE request was impulsive; and he is using a sledgehammer to swat a fly.


====Statement by AstroGuy0====
The requesting party further and inappropriately resurrects immaterial issues that have already been comprehensively dealt with and attended to previously in extensive Arbcom discussion. The conduct of the requesting party is itself inappropriate and open to scrutiny.


====Statement by Iskandar323====
Others named below have deliberately induced a climate of hostility by introducing tendentious references, , to earlier Arbcom proceedings and enforcements affecting me. No matter how ostensibly “polite” the language used, it is unacceptable per ] “… to attack a user who ... has been subject to disciplinary action by the Arbitration Committee.”
This rather dated "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" malarkey from the UK has recently been pushed on social media by a certain US tech billionaire and is now recirculating in right-wing social media and the blogosphere, partly in connection with UK politics, so this trend could flare before it dims. ] (]) 03:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


====Statement by (username)====
I believe the foregoing to be a direct result of my past, present, longstanding, well-documented and continuing efforts to introduce NPOV encyclopedic content while countering ], viz., bias through omission.
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===Result concerning AstroGuy0===
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The ] article at issue is part of a project rated “B-class, Top-importance”. The article displays an “improvement” tag dating back to 2008. Prior to commencement of my editing there, the article had been dormant and otherwise inert for at least a month, both in article space and at discussion page. The requesting party, by his , had not been noticeably active at the article prior to my involvement there; and he had not been active at all in the preceding my current involvement at the article. Since involving myself at this article, I have collaborated amicably and productively with one other editor, ] (]), Two other parties implicated by the requesting party in this matter had never worked on or shown any interest in the article prior to commencement of my editing there. For my part, I am a South African national, I live in South Africa, and I have in-depth professional knowledge, familiarity with, and understanding of the topic. The bulk of my cumulative, past 360 edits in , have been at the related ] article, and about 40 edits have been done at ]. It is true that certain ] article content is controversial by virtue of the article’s nature; hence the inevitability of at least some controversy arising during the course of discussion and editing. It is also true that I am not responsible for the inherently controversial nature of the topic or its subject matter, nor should I be held personally responsible for same.
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:The second diff was before AG0 received a CTOP alert. I've alerted AG0 to other CTOPs that they've edited in, and I am going to warn them for their conduct in diff #1 without prejudice to other admins determining that further action is warranted. ] (]/]) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:I also looked at the source, and it indeed does not in any way support the claim made; it does not mention "Pakistani" even once. This is a fairly new editor, but I think we need to make it very clear to them that misrepresentation of sources is not something we will tolerate. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 04:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Given that AstroGuy0 has already been issued a warning, I don't think anything further is necessary, and will close as such unless any uninvolved admin shortly objects. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 18:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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==Lemabeta==
Following the commencement of my efforts to improve the article, there was a sudden and predictable rush of ], producing a frenzy of reversions and/or deletions of my content edits, including in-line deletions that were not edit-summarised as reversions. The content reversions and deletions were IMHO gross violations of editing rules including especially ]. This to the extent that the revision history itself eventually became so confusing it was almost impossible to follow, as by astute editor notoni with whom I was collaborating productively. Reversions and interference by Edward321 included the substitution by him of ; to replace accurate text and refs contributed by me. (diff and revision history missing without trace). The disruptions further include reversion of accurate text and reliable refs on the grounds that the source is a “corrupted” file that allegedly . Nobody else actively editing at the time experienced the same , nor was the inappropriate reversion reinstated by Edward321. Earlier, Edward321 had reverted separate edits by me at ], citing falsely my topic ban on World War II and its aftermath as “justification” for the reverts, which very clearly had absolutely nothing at all to do with topic from which I am banned. The reverts were IMO done in bad faith and they amount to acts of vandalism. I believe this to be part of a wider pattern of harassment and disruption. It is interesting to note from revision records that when I temporarily halt my editing, everyone else involved seems to cease activity as well. I assume they have nothing better to do with their time other than make editing unnecessarily difficult and unpleasant for me.
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===Request concerning Lemabeta===
;Rebuttals:
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|EF5}} 20:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Re: ''(Communikat)… accuse(d) me (HiltonLange) of being too busy with "edit warring, disruptive point scoring, exagerated claims, importing external disputes, reviving WP:DEADHORSE, expressing WP:IDHT, painting rosy POV pictures, ignoring the warts; and all the rest.".''


; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|Lemabeta}}<p>{{ds/log|Lemabeta}}</p>
In fact, the requesting party has misread / misunderstood my “accusation”, which was in reality directed not at the requesting party (HiltonLange) but directed at user Edward321. Edward321 has not been named as a party, nor is there any evidence that Edward321 has formally been notified by the requester. Edward321 has himself not complained, neither here nor at the article discussion page or anywhere else related. The requesting party’s charge should therefore be disregarded. Note should also be taken of the requesting party’s evident propensity for misperception and misrepresentation. I would have provided detailed evidence to prove a persistent pattern of harassment, disruption and apparent vandalism on the part of Edward321, had he become formally involved here and complain accordingly. This applies equally to the five further instances of “personal attacks” and “bad faith assumptions” claimed by the requesting party. Since diffs do not provide comprehensive context, arbitrators may care to acquaint themselves with the full context of the forgoing, by reading and understanding and , and perhaps .


Contrary to HiltonLange’s charge that I have "attacked" him, I am in fact the only editor who has in his article improvement suggestions.

In fact also, I did apologise to him even though his perception of a personal attack on him was evidently misconstrued. My verbatim apology reads: ''"I'm interested only in improvement of this article, with specific reference to content, not to person. Please assume good faith and accept my sincere apologies if my comments have been perceived as otherwise."'' . He has evidently failed to accept my apology even though, strictly speaking, the apology to him was actually unwarranted. Moreover, his claim of a personal attack, regardless of whom it was directed, hardly falsl within the meaning of ], and this too was brought to his notice in the same diff.

Alleged sockpuppetry:
RE: ''(Communicat) … claims that he is free to use Communikat under WP:SOCK#LEGIT, but that policy specifically excludes accounts under sanctions to evade scrutiny. User Communicat is still under restriction from previous rulings. Additionally, he has revealed on his talk page that he is Stan Winer , author and publisher of http://www.truth-hertz.net. Since most of his previous conflicts seem to be around trying to get editors to accept that website as a reliable reference, and he has repeatedly used it to reference his edits, isn't that an intentional attempt to sidestep WP:OR, or even a kind of sock puppetry?''
The suspicion of alleged “sockpuppetry” was comprehensively interrogated, dealt with, settled and dismissed after lengthy discussion during my recent request for clarification. He is apparently attempting to undermine me by reviving a ], with which he has apparently not even bothered to familiarize himself. Thus, while alleging “bad faith” on my part, Lange himself exhibits bad faith in extremis. He makes serious charges against me while at the same time acknowledging that he is not familiar with the background to those charges. That is hardly a convincing demonstration of his own good faith and/or integrity.

HiltonLange claims I have “repeatedly used” my website http://www.truth-hertz.net “to reference (my) edits”. Lange provides no evidence to support his false claim, nor does any such evidence exist. The small matter of relative to World War II and the Cold War was IMO resolved a long time ago, in fact nearly a year ago, after I had made some embarrassing mistakes while still learning the WP editing rules, which took some getting used to. I am not responsible for the subsequent behaviour of those who persist in resurrecting the issue. They include Edward321, whose actions earlier drew this remark from one other editor, addressing Edward321: ''“Your continued attacks against Communicat are starting to look more like a personal vendetta. I suggest you stop. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 20:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)”''

HiltonLange’s claim is unfounded, it is immaterial, it is a personal attack, and it is a further instance of ] in an apparent attempt to undermine and discredit me, for whatever reason. I challenge HiltonLange to provide any evidence whatsoever to support the innuendo that my new username may be “an intentional attempt to sidestep WP:OR or a form of sock puppet” to “evade scrutiny” (as if that is at all possible). I took a new username because my former unsername was self-cancelled six months earlier, and I did not know how to reinstate it. It’s as simple as that. While alleging “bad faith” on my part, HiltonLange himself exhibits bad faith ''in extremis''. The following sequence of events is also noteworthy:

;Sequence of events:
14:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC): ] (]) suggests at discussion page that all the “pretty pictures” at South Africa article page give the page an appearance of a “tourism brochure” conveying a lopsided POV of the country.

04:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC), HiltonLange objects strongly to my suggestion that the visual POV is biased. He also claims falsely that poverty among the indigenous population is ”not at all” a major problem. Citing statistics, he states South Africa ranks only on the world scale, (out of recognized by the United Nations), which in HiltonLange's disputed view means poverty in South Africa is “not at all” significant.

20.03 UTC, 18 July 2011, ): ] (]) complains “someone here:” had deleted important poverty statistics … the issue of poverty / inequality is something that someone here seems determined to underplay at best or, at worst, avoid almost entirely … I'm open to correction and/or reasoned debate.”

20:45 UTC, 18 July 2011 Communikat posts: “The apparent bias through omission, implied above, is wholly consistent with the fact that the History section of the article mentions the word "slaves" just once, merely in passing, and without any reference whatsoever; while the word "slavery" is similarly mentioned just once, (also just in passing and without citation). Whereas, in historical fact, slavery played a very substantial part in the country's history. I need convincing this article is not biased, perhaps even racist, in its omissions."

Just 12 hours later, at 09:12 UTC, 19 July 2011, HiltonLange files Arbcom enforcement request on grounds of “personal attacks” etc.,

IMHO his filing of the request was impulsive and a knee-jerk reaction to my criticism of the article's apparent racist POV bias and touristy appearance. Moreover,
HiltonLange's expressed views on the subject of poverty in South Africa mirror closely / are virtually indistinguishable from a highly discredited minority POV and attitude of poverty denialism still prevalent in South Africa.

It is reasonable to suspect in terms of ], and given the above sequence of events, that HL’s filing of his enforcement request here (as proxy for an editor who has in fact not complained) is not genuinely motivated by the manifest reasons he has stated, but is motivated instead by latent and unstated reasons, for which the manifest reasons are intended by him to serve as a surrogate. I am open to legitimate correction in this as in everything else expressed here.

Response to Nick-d statement:
This administrator, in supporting the filing party, has replicated in his statement here the content of a misplaced “motion” filed by him in recent opposition to my request for clarification. Arbcom disregarded his motion then, and should disregard as immaterial the replication of his “motion” here. It is noteworthy that when I have cited WP rules, it is construed by Nick-d as a “personal attack”. Nick-d seems unaware of the accurate meaning of ]. Moreover, when I make just one reversion under the 3R rule, it is construed by him as “edit warring”. His own conduct, meanwhile, is of course beyond reproach. All the relevant diffs and links are contained in the archived record of my request for clarification.

;Response to T Canen question:
Canen, citing ] whatever, recused himself from my earlier request for clarification. Now he has decided paradoxically to present himself in this present matter. Previously, since my return to editing after a six-months break, Canen has blocked me twice for one-week periods at the request of Nick-d, citing infringement of editing restrictions. On the first ocassion, the block arose in part because I was unclear about the scope of my topic ban, nor did anyone care to enlighten me. On the second ocassion, in order to establish clarity on the scope of my topic ban, I attempted to engage Canen and filing party Nick-d in relevant discussion. They failed to respond. In my subsequent request to Arbcom for clarification, four parties concurred that the wording of the topic ban were unclear and warranted clarification. A lesser number of arbitrators disagreed. I also requested that the decisions and conduct of T Canen be reviewed. My request was disregarded. All the relevant links and diffs should be contained in the archived record of my

;Incomplete record
Regretably, the record of my earlier request for clarification as referred to in some of the foregoing ; some postings have been deleted and there is no revision history of same. As already mentioned in the “Background” sub-section above, a separate diff and its edit history also seems to be missing without trace. Presumably, only administrators have the tools to remove material without the revision history remaining on record.

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In related discussion during my request for clarification, I asked for an interaction ban relative to Nick-d, Edward321 and myself. My request was disregarded. If Arbcom wants to grant that request now, then so be it. If Arbcom wants to dismiss as premature the current request for enforcement, then so be it. If Arbcom, in addition to topic banning me from World War II and its aftermath, wants to impose also a ban on my improvement of the South Africa topic, then so be it. If Arbcom wants to site-ban me, then so be it; it will save me the time, effort, bandwith and general unpleasantness of having to deal persistently with what has the all the characteristics of a mentality. In any event, based on past performance, it is predictable that discussion of this current matter will drag on interminably with the same, tired old arguments being resurrected tediously and refuted likewise. I have had more than enough of that. It is unlikely that I shall be responding further. I can think of more deserving causes for the voluntary donation of my time and bandwidth.
] (]) 17:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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It's worth noting that this is not only a continuation of the previous article-space related conduct for which Communicat has since twice been blocked since returning to editing a few weeks ago, but also that he made similar attacks on other editors as part of the recent request for clarification (see the diffs I included at ]). This is a very consistent pattern of behavior. ] (]) 10:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

It appears Comminukat is continuing his copy-pasting problem. His third sentence - "Editors on both sides of politically charged subjects can rationally discuss their positions, find common ground, and unemotionally document their differences" is lifted directly from another source without attribution. ] (]) 01:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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Can anyone tell me why an indef is not a good idea? ] (]) 14:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I can't. Though my reading of the enforcement motion only allows for a week long block. The rest would be on your own authority, but as far as I can tell a good call. ] (]) 03:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
:And done. One week AE block + indef. This has gone on long enough. ] (]) 17:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
::Your action is appropriate, given that Communikat seems unable to reach consensus with others. Unless we want to *give* him all these WWII articles so he can slant them according to his personal POV, there seems no way forward. ] (]) 18:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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# – editor accuses me of being "a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior," with no accompanying evidence # - Made a draft on a European ethnic group, which they are currently barred from doing.
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I likely filed this improperly, but to sum it up they continue to make pages in a scope they were banned from. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 20:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
For the past month or so I've been having to put up with increasingly hostile and personally oriented rhetoric directed against me by editors in the I/P topic area. When at this very Noticeboard {{User|Tarc}} of sockpuppetry without citing a single diff as required per ], I let it slide. After {{User|Nableezy}} attributed to me a batshit insane obsession with his edits for two edits I made, he and I accepted. More recently, {{User|Malik Shabazz}} called me an ass on his Talk page for trying to engage him in a calm one-on-one discussion; but he too the remark per my request and the matter has more-or-less been settled. {{User|NickCT}}, on the other hand, not only called me "a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior" without any evidence, but into the bargain has been repeatedly suggesting that I'm a sockpuppet or hiding previous user accounts, also without any evidence. I insisted that he withdraw his original comment or substantiate it in to avoid creating a scene – but to no avail.
:On the bullet point, I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:(Not sure if I’m allowed to reply here) I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
If people have a problem with my edits in I/P or have gotten into their heads that I'm a sockpuppet, it doesn't excuse attacks against me that violate ] and ]/]. I understand Decorum isn't as strictly enforced as other ARBIA principles are, but specifically in the case of ], he has been sanctioned here before for his hostile interactions with editors he disagrees with in I/P, so either he genuinely doesn't understand what these policies entail, or else he's incapable of abiding by them. Either way, considering the perpetually tense atmosphere at I/P and NickCT's problematic conduct in the topic area in the past, I am requesting enforcement in this case. Every other means of reaching an understanding with this user has been exhausted in vain.
:: <small>Response to Bishonen. Moved from results section. ] (]/]) 21:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</small>

::(RES to Bishonen) That's fair. When starting the AE, it only gave me nine options, none of which seemed to fit right. The third bullet ("Previously given a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction or warned for conduct in the area of conflict on DIFF by _____") didn't seem to fit, as the sanction wasn't for verbal conduct. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 22:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
<b>Appendix:</b> In anticipation of the some of the comments likely to follow, I offer these preformulated responses. It isn't essential that the Admins considering my request read them.
*''"This is a frivolous request, only one attack."'' First of all, it wasn't one attack. The first time he attacked me, I templated his remark with ], but he removed the Template and reiterated his attack. Later, when I tried in the gentlest way possible to communicate to him the problem with his remark, his response was to attribute bad-faith motives both to my initial comment on ]'s Talk page and to my comment on his own Talk page. And then, when I took the matter to ] for community input, he began with his string of allegations that I'm a sockpuppet. These aren't frivolous attacks. They are ] against me relating to an active-arbitration topic area, without evidence to back them up and serving only to discredit me and disrupt my interactions with other contributors. Secondly, the pattern of recurring personal attacks doesn't need to be established by my diffs alone. It is already established by his block log.
*''"AEs should not be filed against editors one is in conflict with."'' The response to that is simple. NickCT and I weren't in conflict anywhere in the Project; indeed, as far as I know, this was only the second time he and I ever crossed paths.
*''"If all these people are attacking you, maybe you're the problem and not them."'' I'm open to criticism relating to how I edit, as anyone who contributes regularly to I/P should be. I'm also aware of ]. If someone's convinced there's a case to be made that my edits are a problem in I/P, let them make it like through the appropriate channels. Otherwise, shifting the blame onto me and making ad hominem remarks in my regard is counterproductive and needs to be identified for what it is – a sordid red herring. This is an AE about NickCT. Any comments not directly relating to that user and his remarks toward me don't belong here.
*''"This isn't within the purview of AE."'' The language and context of the attack make it related to the Arab-Israel conflict, broadly construed. If this were an I/P-banned editor, he would not be allowed to attack another contributor as "a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior." Furthermore, NickCT was sanctioned at AE before for similar infractions.—] (]) 07:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Not sure how seriously I should take this, so I'll just make several quick points -
:1) People should probably review ] as example of the kind of complaints ] seems to have a penchant for.
:2) re ''"repeatedly suggesting that I'm a sockpuppet"'' - I never suggested Biosketch was a sock. I suggested he had an account previous to his current account, which he almost certainly has had and additionally, has made no attempt to deny. I explained the difference between those to things . I'm not sure why he repeatedly mischaracterizes my comments.
:3) Bio initially filed a ] complaint for the material above, which didn't seem to gather any momentum. He seems to be going to multiple places now trying to get someone to agree and act on his complaints. As such, I think AE request could justifiably be called ].
:4) Biosketch really represents the worst of the Israel-Palestine ]. This kind of "throw some accusations around and see what sticks" tactics has got to stop. It's a waste of time, and distracts from WP's core mission. I think a clear message could be sent here with some punitive anti-wikilawyering measures.
Thanks, ] (]) 12:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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==Matthead==
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# First recent edit in Polish related topic
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Warning and short block.

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Matthead has been banned from editing Polish related topics due to : habitually engaging in battleground-like conduct related to nationalist issues involving Poland and Germany" from
"from the topic of Poland and Poles, broadly construed. For the avoidance of doubt, the topic includes subjects which are or were only partially Polish, or whose Polishness is disputed (by you or others), and the ban includes all articles, other pages, '''parts of pages''' and discussions related to the topic"

Recently it seems Matthead started to try to edit Polish related information on Wiki. While the first edit was small(although violating the ban), the second indicated return to his old ways, by including the removal of information regarding presence of Polish minority in Germany and its anti-Nazi resistance movement during Second World War and concealing that removal in edit summary--] (]) 14:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


===Discussion concerning Lemabeta===
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====Statement by Lemabeta====
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Yeah, my bad. Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed" I recognize my mistake. --] (]) 20:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
===Discussion concerning Matthead===


:Ethnographic groups and cultural heritage are '''related but distinct concepts'''. An ''ethnographic group'' refers to a '''community of people''' defined by shared ancestry, language, traditions, and cultural identity. In contrast, ''cultural heritage'' refers to the *''practices, artifacts, knowledge, and traditions preserved or inherited from the past''. But cultural heritage is indeed a component of ethnographic groups.
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:So i don't believe ethnographic group should be considered as either history of the Caucasus or cultural heritage. ] (]) 20:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::In my opinion, cultural heritage (both tangible and intangible) '''emerges from''' ethnographic groups but '''does not define the group itself'''. ] (]) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I think ethnographic groups fall under the category of Ethnography, or even socio-cultural antropology but for sure not cultural heritage. ] (]) 21:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I understand, i already apologized on my talk page for this accident. I will not repeat this mistake again. ] (]) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


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*Not entirely buying the first diff as a violation (I know zero German though), but the second diff is a pretty clear violation of the topic ban. Blocked for a week. '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 20:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
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*In my opinion, the first diff is also a ban violation. ] was Polish and apparently a member of the anti-Nazi Polish resistance during WWII. Matthead's ban should not allow him to edit articles about Poles. In any case the one-week block is a reasonable response. ] (]) 03:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
* I don't see Lemabeta mentioned in the case itself, but they're currently under ] from "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed". ] (] • she/her) 20:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:To be fair, when you click above to add a new enforcement request, the template states:<br><nowiki>;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: ]</nowiki><br><nowiki><!--- Link to the sanction or remedy that you ask to be enforced ---></nowiki> ] (]/]) 20:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{tq| Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed"}} @]: what did you think "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage" meant? I think it's pretty obvious that that an article on an ethnic group from the Caucasus and about an ethnologist who writes about that region is covered by your topic ban. ] (]/]) 20:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Note that I've deleted ] as a clear G5 violation. I think ] is a bit more of a questionable G5. ] (]/]) 20:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Your definition of "ethnographic group" includes the phrases "shared ancestry" (i.e., history), and "shared&nbsp;... traditions" and "shared&nbsp;... cultural identity" (i.e., cultural heritage). Your attempt to exclude "ethnographic group" from either of the two categories in your topic ban is entirely unpersuasive, particularly since your topic ban is to be "broadly construed". ] (]/]) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: this doesn't seem like a mistake to me, but I'm okay with a logged warning here. ] (]/]) 21:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: This is about violating the TBAN. Per my response to leek, I think the issue is with the AE request template, which is a bit unclear. ] (]/]) 22:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: I don't think a block is needed here, but the next violation, definitely. ] (]/]) 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: They were "reviously given&nbsp;... contentious topic restriction", the topic ban at issue. ] (]/]) 22:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{re|Lemabeta}} Not every single thing you could write about an ethnic group would fall under cultural history, but that's not really relevant on the Rachvelians page, where the History section was entirely about their cultural history, even containing the words {{tqq| highlighting their ethnographic and cultural identity}}. There's a reason we use the words "]" on most TBANs, and a reason we encourage people to act like they're TBANned from a broader area than they are. (Consider: Would you feel safe driving under a bridge where clearance is exactly the same height as your vehicle? Or would you need a few inches' gap to feel safe doing it?){{pb}}This does seem like a good-faith misunderstanding, so if you will commit to not making it again in the future, I think this can be closed with a clarification/warning. But that's an important "if". If you want to argue semantics, then the message that sends to admins is that you don't intend to comply with the TBAN, in which case the next step would be a siteblock. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 21:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{u|EF5}}, I don't understand your {{tq|"Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above"}} statement, can you please explain what it refers to? ]? Lemabeta's block log is blank.
:That said, I'm unimpressed by Lemabeta's lawyerly distinctions above, and also by ]. I'll AGF that they ''were'' accidental, but OTOH, they surely ''ought'' to have taken enough care to realize they were violations; compare Voorts' examples. I suggest a block, not sure of what length. A couple of weeks? ] &#124; ] 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
::{{u|EF5}}, OK, I see. Blocks and bans are ], and the block log only logs blocks. ] &#124; ] 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

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    PerspicazHistorian

    PerspicazHistorian is blocked indefinitely from mainspace. Seraphimblade 03:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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    Request concerning PerspicazHistorian

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    NXcrypto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    PerspicazHistorian (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBIPA
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 17:57, 18 December 2024 - removed "discrimination" sidebar from the page of Hindutva (fascist ideology) even though the sidebar was inserted inside a section, not even the lead.
    2. 17:59, 18 December 2024 - tag bombed the highly vetted Hindutva article without any discussion or reason
    3. 10:15, 18 December 2024 - attributing castes to people withhout any sources
    4. 12:11, 18 December 2024 - edit warring to impose the above edits after getting reverted
    5. 17:09, 18 December 2024 - just like above, but this time he also added unreliable sources
    6. 18:29, 18 December 2024 - still edit warring and using edit summaries instead of talk page for conversation
    7. 14:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC) - filed an outrageous report on WP:ANI without notifying any editors. This report was closed by Bbb23 as "This is nothing but a malplaced, frivolous personal attack by the OP."
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    • Already 2 blocks in last 4 months for edit warring.
    If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I do not see any positive signs that this editor will ever improve. So far he has only regressed. Nxcrypto Message 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    While going through this report, PerspicazHistorian has made another highly problematic edit here by edit warring and misrepresenting the sources to label the organisation as "terrorist". This primary source only provides a list of organisations termed by the Indian government as "terrorist" contrary to MOS:TERRORIST. Nxcrypto Message 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested


    Discussion concerning PerspicazHistorian

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    Statement by PerspicazHistorian

    • By far I am also concerned how my edits were forcefully reverted without a proper reason despite providing enough references. Please check how I am getting attacked by them on Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu Page.

    I didn't know about the three-revert-rule before User: Ratnahastin told me about this: User_talk:PerspicazHistorian. Please grant me one more chance, I will make sure not to edit war.

    • In the below statement by LukeEmily, As a reply I just want to say that I was just making obvious edit on Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu by adding a list of notable people with proper references. And according to Edit_warring#What_edit_warring_is it is clearly said: "Edits from a slanted point of view, general insertion or removal of material, or other good-faith changes are not considered vandalism." It was a good faith edit but others reverted it. I accept my mistake of not raising it on talk page as a part of Misplaced Pages:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle.
    • As a clarification to my edit on Students' Islamic Movement of India, it can be clearly seen that I provided enough reference to prove its a terrorist organisation as seen in this edit. I don't know why is there a discussion to this obvious edit? Admins please correct me if I am wrong.
    @Valereee, Yes I read about 1RR and 0RR revert rules in Misplaced Pages:Edit warring#What edit warring is#Other revert rules. I now understand the importance of raising the topic on talk page whenever a consensus is needed. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 07:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    Yes, I will commit to that. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 13:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC) Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section. Seraphimblade 13:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    At that time I was new to how AFD discussions worked. Later on when Satish R. Devane was marked for deletion, I respected the consensus by not interfering in it. The article was later deleted. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 11:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Hi @Doug Weller , I just checked your user page. You have 16 years (I am 19) of experience on wiki, you must be right about me. I agree that my start on Misplaced Pages has been horrible, but I am learning a lot from you all. I promise that I will do better, get more neutral here and contribute to the platform to my best. Please don't block me.
    P.S.- I don't know If I will be blocked or what , according to this enforcement rules, I just want to personally wish good luck to you for your ongoing cancer treatments, You will surely win this battle of Life. Regards. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 12:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section.Valereee (talk) 15:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    • 1) I just asked an user @Fylindfotberserk if the page move is possible. What's wrong with it? I still have not considered putting a move request on talk page of article.
    2) Many of other sources are not raj era. Moreover I myself have deleted the content way before you pointing this out. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    even @NXcrypto is seen engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics. see1see2 PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    as mentioned by @Valereee before, Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here. You can discuss content related topics on talk pages of articles rather than personally targeting a user here in enforcement. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Valereee I once filed a complaint to find it @NXcrypto is a sock (out of a misunderstanding, as all were teamed up similarly on various pages). I think he felt it as a personal attack by me and filed this request for enforcement. Please interfere. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC) moving to correct section Valereee (talk) 13:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    1)Yes I usually edit on RSS related topics, but to ensure a democratic view is maintained as many socks try to disrupt such articles. Even on Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh page, I just edited on request of talk page and added a graph. I don't think its a POV push.
    2) My main interest in editing is Hinduism and Indian History topics.
    3)There have been certain cases in past where I was blocked but if studied carefully they were result of me edit warring with socks(although, through guidance of various experienced editors and admins I learnt a SPI should be filed first). I have learnt a lot in my journey and there have been nearly zero case of me of edit warring this month.
    Please do not block me. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    • @Valereee I beg apologies for the inconvenience caused, thanks for correcting me. I will now reply in my own statement section. @Bishonen I am a quick learner and professionally competent to edit in this encyclopedic space. Please consider reviewing this enforcement if its an counter-attack on me as mentioned in my previous replies. You all are experienced editors and I have good faith in your decision-making capability.PerspicazHistorian (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    • @Vanamonde93@Bishonen I have edited content marked as "original research" and "mess" by you, I am ready to help removing any content that might be considered "poorly sourced" by the community. Please don't block me.PerspicazHistorian (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    • @Valereee This enforcement started for edit-warring and now I feel its more concerned to my edited content(which I agree to cooperate and change wherever needed). After learning about edit wars, there has been no instance of me edit-warring, Please consider my request.--PerspicazHistorian (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      @Valereee I am not a slow learner, I understand the concerns of all admins here. I will try my best to add only reliable sources, and discuss content in all talk pages, as I already mentioned here. PPicazHist (talk) 12:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      @Valereee@UtherSRG I think admins should focus more on encouraging editors when they do good and correct when mistaken. I have made many edits, added many citations and created much articles which use fine citations. The enforcement started out of retaliation by nxcrypto, now moving towards banning me anyways. I started editing out of passion, and doing it here on wiki unlike those who come here just for pov pushes and disrupt article space(talking about socks and vandalizers on contentious Indian topics).
      The article prasada doesn't only has issue on citations, but the whole article is copypasted from the citations I added. I just wanted to point that out. Remaining about Misplaced Pages:CIR, I am currently pursuing Btech in cs from IIT delhi, idt I am a slow learner by any means. Still, happy new year to all ! PPicazHist (talk) 14:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      @UtherSRG You mean to say, "The prasada is to be consumed by attendees as a holy offering. The offerings may include cooked food, fruits and confectionery sweets. Vegetarian food is usually offered and later distributed to the devotees who are present in the temple. Sometimes this vegetarian offering will exclude prohibited items such as garlic, onion, mushroom, etc. " is not copy pasted by this website? Is this also a wiki mirror website? How would you feel if I doubt your competence now? PPicazHist (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      @ UtherSRG I just asked others to share their opinion in the enforcement. With all due respect, I don't think its wrong in any sense. PPicazHist (talk) 15:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
      To all the admins involved here,
      • I agree to keep learning and apologize if my previous edits/replies have annoyed the admins.
      • I have not edit warred since a month and please see it as my willingness to keep learning and getting better.
      • Please give me a chance, I understand concern of you all and respect your opinion in the matter. But please don't block me from editing from main article space. I promise that I will abide by all the rules and will learn from other editors.
      PPicazHist (talk) 15:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by LukeEmily

    PerspicazHistorian also violated WP:BRD by engaging in an edit war with Ratnahastin who reverted his edits and restored an article to a stable version by admin. Also, I want to assume good faith but it is surprising that PerspicazHistorian claims that he did not know the three revert rule given that he has more than 800 edits.LukeEmily (talk)

    Statement by Doug Weller

    I'm involved so just commenting. I don't think this editor is competent. I had to give them a community sanction caste warning as they were making a mess of castes. See this earlier version of their talk page.]https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:PerspicazHistorian&oldid=1262289249] and User:Deb's comment that "It was very unwise of you to keep moving Draft:Satish R. Devane to article space when it has not passed review. As a direct result of your actions, a deletion discussion is taking place, and when this is complete and the article is deleted, you will be prevented from recreating it. Deb (talk) 14:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)" There have also been copyright issues. I strongly support a topic ban. Doug Weller talk 11:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

    I won't be involved in the decision. No more treatments for me, just coast until... Doug Weller talk 12:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by Toddy1

    This is another editor who appears to have pro-Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) views. I dislike those views, but find it rather alarming that Misplaced Pages should seek to censor those views, but not the views of the political opponents. Imagine the outrage if we sought to topic-ban anyone who expressed pro-Republican views, but allowed Democrat-activists to say whatever they liked.

    A lot of pro-RSS/BJP editors turn out to be sock-puppets, so please can we do a checkuser on this account. And to be even-handed, why not checkuser NXcrypto too.

    If we want to talk about WP:CIR when editors make mistakes, look at the diff given by NXcrypto for "Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested" - it is the wrong diff. He/she did notify PerspicazHistorian - but the correct diff is .

    A topic ban from Indian topics would be unhelpful, unless given to both parties. Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India. Loading the dice against BJP and RSS editors will turn Misplaced Pages into a fringe encyclopaedia on Indian topics.

    I can see a good case for restricting PerspicazHistorian to draft articles and talk pages for a month, and suggesting that he/she seeks advice from more experienced editors. Another solution would be a one-revert rule to last six months.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by Capitals00

    I find the comment from Toddy1 to be entirely outrageous. What are you trying to tell by saying "Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India"? If you want us to entertain those who are in power, then we could never have an article like False or misleading statements by Donald Trump.

    You cannot ask topic ban for both editors without having any evidence of misconduct. Same way, you cannot ask CU on either user only for your own mental relief. It is a high time that you should strike your comment, since you are falsely accusing others that they "seek to censor" this editor due to his "pro-Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) views". You should strike your comment. If you cannot do that, then I am sure WP:BOOMERANG is coming for you. Capitals00 (talk) 15:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by Vanamonde93

    Toddy1: I, too, am baffled by your comment. We don't ban editors based on their POV; but we do ban editors who fail to follow our PAGs, and we certainly don't make excuses for editors who fail to follow our guidelines based on their POV. You seem to be suggesting we cut PH some slack because of their political position, and I find that deeply inappropriate. Among other things, I don't believe they have publicly stated anywhere that they support the BJP or the RSS, and we cannot make assumptions about them.

    That said, the fact that this was still open prompted me to spot-check PH's contributions, and I find a lot to be concerned about. This edit is from 29 December, and appears to be entirely original research; I cannot access all of the sources, but snippet search does not bear out the content added, and the Raj era source for the first sentence certainly does not support the content it was used for. Baji Pasalkar, entirely authored by PH, is full of puffery ("first to sacrifice his life for the cause of Swarajya", and poor sources (like this blog, and this book, whose blurb I leave you to judge), from which most of the article appears to be drawn. Appa (title), also entirely authored by PH, has original research in its very first sentence; the sources that I can access give passing mention to people whose names include the suffix "appa", and thus could perhaps be examples of usage, but the sources most certainly do not bear out the claim.

    I will note in fairness that I cannot access all the sources for the content I checked. But after spotchecking a dozen examples I have yet to find content PH wrote that was borne out by a reliable source, so I believe skepticism is justified. We are in territory where other editors may need to spend days cleaning up some of this writing. Bishonen If we're in CIR territory, just a normal indefinite block seems cleanest, surely? Or were you hoping that PH would help clean up their mess, perhaps by providing quotes from sources? That could be a pathway to contributing productively, but I'm not holding my breath. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Thanks Bish: I agree, as my exchanges with PH today, in response to my first post here, have not inspired confidence. . Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by UtherSRG

    I've mostly dealt with PH around Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ankur Warikoo (2nd nomination). They do not seem to have the ability to read and understand our policies and processes. As such, a t-ban is too weak. The minimum I would support is a p-block as suggested below, though a full indef is also acceptable. They could then ask for the standard offer when they can demonstrate they no longer have WP:CIR issues. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    Based on these two edits, I'm more strongly leaning towards indef. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    They now indicate they believe the article they edited was copied from one of the websites they used as a reference, when in reality the website is a mirror/scrape of the Misplaced Pages article. I believe we are firmly in WP:CIR territory here. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    This is a mirror of the Misplaced Pages article. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

    Result concerning PerspicazHistorian

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

    PerspicazHistorian, can you explain your understanding of WP:edit warring and the WP:3RR rule? I'd like you to read thoroughly enough to also explain wny someone may be edit warring even if they aren't breaking 3RR. Valereee (talk) 21:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    @PerspicazHistorian, that explanation of edit warring is a bit wanting. An edit war is when two or more editors revert content additions/removals repeatedly. Even a second reversion by the same editor can be considered edit warring. Best practice -- and what I highly recommend, especially for any inexperienced editor -- is the first time someone reverts an edit of yours, go to the talk page, open a section, ping the editor who reverted you, and discuss. Do you think you can commit to that?
    Re: your question on why your "obvious edit" was reverted: we don't deal with content issues here, only with behavior issues, but from a very quick look, the source is 50 years old, and using a list headed "TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS LISTED IN THE FIRST SCHEDULE OF THE UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES (PREVENTION) ACT, 1967" that includes a certain organization as a source that the organization should be described as a terrorist organization is WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH; in their revert NXcrypto provided an edit summary of "Not a reliable source for such a contentious label. See WP:LABEL." Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here. Valereee (talk) 11:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    I'm seeing this as a CIR issue. I'd like input from other admins, if possible. I'm a little concerned that setting a tban from IPA is just setting a trap. Maybe a p-block from article space would be a kinder way to allow them to gain some experience? Valereee (talk) 13:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    @PerspicazHistorian, have you seen how many times I or others have had to move your comments to your own section? This is an example of not having enough experience to edit productively. Please do not post in anyone else's section again. Valereee (talk) 16:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    I do agree we're in CIR territory, and the concerns expressed are completely valid. I don't think this editor is ill-intentioned. They just don't seem very motivated to learn quickly. Well-intentioned-but-a-slow-learner is something that can only be fixed by actually practicing what you're bad at. I'd prefer an indef from article space which gives them one more chance to learn here before we send them off to mr.wiki or Simple English to try to learn. Not a hill I'm going to die on, though. Valereee (talk) 11:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    @PerspicazHistorian, like Uther I have major concerns about the edit you made yesterday, which included replacing a citation needed tag with these sources. The first is a company that markets astrology services. The second is the site for a religious sect. Neither is a reliable source for explaining the concept of prasada in Wikivoice. You made this edit yesterday, after you'd confirmed here and on my talk that you understood sourcing policy.
    The reason for an indef from article space is to allow you to learn this policy: You would go into article talk and suggest sources to fix citation needed tags. Another editor would have to agree with you that the sources are reliable before they'd add them. Valereee (talk) 12:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    • A tban from IPA for PerspicazHistorian would be a relief to many editors trying to keep this difficult area in reasonable shape. However, Valereee makes a good point about 'setting a trap': it's doubtful that PH would be able to keep to a tban even if they tried in good faith. I would therefore support a p-block from article space. Bishonen | tålk 16:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
      Vanamonde93, no, I don't really think PH can usefully help clean up their mess; I was following Valereee, who has been going into this in some depth, in attempting to keep some way of editing Misplaced Pages open for PH. It's a bit of a counsel of desperation, though; there is very little daylight between an indef and a p-block from article space. Yes, we are in CIR territory; just look at PH's recent supposed evidence on this page for NXcrypto being "engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics": one diff of an opponent complaining on NXcrypto's page, and one diff of somebody reverting NXcrypto. What do those actually prove? That NXcrypto has opponents (big surprise). So, yes, as you suggest, I'll support an indef as well. Bishonen | tålk 20:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
    • Is there a length of time proposed for the p-ban or would it be indefinite? Barkeep49 (talk) 17:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
      I would say indefinite; not infinite, but I'd be wary about letting them back into articlespace without some kind of preclearance. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • It looks to me like there is a consensus for an indefinite partial block for PerspicazHistorian from article space. Unless any uninvolved admin objects within a day or so, I will close as such. Seraphimblade 06:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
      Given PH's recent slew of requests on multiple admin talk pages, yes, please do. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    References

    1. "Significance of Different Type of Prasad in Hinduism For God". GaneshaSpeaks. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
    2. "What Is Prashad". Shree Swaminarayan Mandir Bhuj. Retrieved 2024-12-30.

    LaylaCares

    There is consensus to remove LaylaCares's EC flag. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Request concerning LaylaCares

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Vice regent (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    LaylaCares (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ARBPIA
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 13:54, December 17, 2024 EC gaming


    If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Pretty obvious case of EC gaming. Account created on Nov 17, 2024, then about 500 mostly minor edits followed by the first substantial edit ever was the creation of this article on Dec 17 (subsequently moved to draftspace).VR (Please ping on reply) 08:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested


    Discussion concerning LaylaCares

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    Statement by LaylaCares

    Statement by Aquillion

    Question: Assuming it's determined that they gamed the extended-confirmed restriction, would the page they created be WP:G5-able? I've asked the relevant question in more detail on the CSD talk page, since it is likely to come up again as long as we have such a broad restriction on effect, but I figured it was worth mentioning the issue here as well. --Aquillion (talk) 14:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by Dan Murphy

    Please look at Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations, written by the account under discussion. It's a hit job, originally placed in mainspace by this account. Anyone who wrote that shouldn't be allowed with 1 million miles of the topic.Dan Murphy (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by starship.paint

    I've edited Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations, so Dan Murphy's link is inaccurate for the purposes of this discussion. For the version of Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations with content only written by LaylaCares, click this link. starship.paint (talk / cont) 10:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning LaylaCares

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • I agree that this looks like EC-gaming. Absent evidence that the edits themselves were problematic, I would either TBAN from ARBPIA or pull the EC flag until the user has made 500 edits that aren't rapidfire possibly LLM-assisted gnomish edits. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I agree on the gaming piece and would suggest mainspace edits+time for restoration of EC. I will throw out 3 months + 500 (substantive) main space edits. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I agree with Barkeep but I'd up it to 4 months. I don't believe that a TBAN is necessary at this point. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    • @Aquillion: I agree that the draft should be G5'd, but will wait for consensus to develop here. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      I don't think the wording of WP:ECR allows for deletion of a page that was created by an EC user. (ECR also seems to forget that anything other than articles and talkpages exists, but I think the most reasonable reading of provision A still allows for G5ing drafts at admins' discretion if the criteria are met.) That said, a consensus at AE can delete a page as a "reasonable measure that necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project". Deleting under that provision is not something to be done lightly, but I think for a case where a page's existence violates the spirit of an ArbCom restriction but not the letter, it'd be a fair time to do it. And/or this could make for a good ARCA question, probably after PIA5 wraps. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 03:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I would just pull EC and require the editor to apply via AE appeal for its restoration. They should be very clearly aware that receiving such restoration will require both substantial time and making real, substantive edits outside the area, as well as an understanding of what is expected of editors working in a CTOP area. Seraphimblade 01:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I see a clear consensus here to remove the EC flag. For clarity, when I proposed a TBAN above it was because removing this flag is an ARBPIA TBAN as long as the ECR remedy remains in place; it's simply a question of whether the editor get the other privileges of EC or not. I don't see a consensus on what to do with the draft, but given that other editors have now made substantive contributions to it, I don't believe it's a good use of AE time to discuss the hypothetical further. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    AstroGuy0

    AstroGuy0 has been issued a warning for source misrepresentation by Voorts. No other reviewers have expressed any wish for further action. Seraphimblade 06:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Request concerning AstroGuy0

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Hemiauchenia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 03:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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    AstroGuy0 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Contentious topics/Race and intelligence

    (Even though this isn't the usual R&I fare, I consider the intersection of "Race/ethnicity and sex offending", to come under "the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour")

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 03:19, 4 January 2025 Asserts that "A majority of the perpetrators were Pakistani men" despite the cited source (freely accessible at ) does not mention the word "Pakistani" or any variant once.
    2. 01:40, 4 January 2025 Describes the sex offender ring as "Pakistani" in the opening sentence when the cited source in the body says that they were only "mainly Pakistani"
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    This new user seems intent on POVPUSHING regarding "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" and making contentious claims that are not backed up by sources. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    Discussion concerning AstroGuy0

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    Statement by AstroGuy0

    Statement by Iskandar323

    This rather dated "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" malarkey from the UK has recently been pushed on social media by a certain US tech billionaire and is now recirculating in right-wing social media and the blogosphere, partly in connection with UK politics, so this trend could flare before it dims. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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    Result concerning AstroGuy0

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    The second diff was before AG0 received a CTOP alert. I've alerted AG0 to other CTOPs that they've edited in, and I am going to warn them for their conduct in diff #1 without prejudice to other admins determining that further action is warranted. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    I also looked at the source, and it indeed does not in any way support the claim made; it does not mention "Pakistani" even once. This is a fairly new editor, but I think we need to make it very clear to them that misrepresentation of sources is not something we will tolerate. Seraphimblade 04:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    Given that AstroGuy0 has already been issued a warning, I don't think anything further is necessary, and will close as such unless any uninvolved admin shortly objects. Seraphimblade 18:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Lemabeta

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    EF5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Lemabeta (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Final decision
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 5 Jan 2025 - Made a draft on a European ethnic group, which they are currently barred from doing.
    2. 4 Jan 2025 - Started a page on a Georgian ethnologist.


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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I likely filed this improperly, but to sum it up they continue to make pages in a scope they were banned from. EF 20:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    On the bullet point, I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. EF 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    (Not sure if I’m allowed to reply here) I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. EF 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    Response to Bishonen. Moved from results section. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    (RES to Bishonen) That's fair. When starting the AE, it only gave me nine options, none of which seemed to fit right. The third bullet ("Previously given a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction or warned for conduct in the area of conflict on DIFF by _____") didn't seem to fit, as the sanction wasn't for verbal conduct. EF 22:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Statement by Lemabeta

    Yeah, my bad. Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed" I recognize my mistake. --Lemabeta (talk) 20:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    Ethnographic groups and cultural heritage are related but distinct concepts. An ethnographic group refers to a community of people defined by shared ancestry, language, traditions, and cultural identity. In contrast, cultural heritage refers to the *practices, artifacts, knowledge, and traditions preserved or inherited from the past. But cultural heritage is indeed a component of ethnographic groups.
    So i don't believe ethnographic group should be considered as either history of the Caucasus or cultural heritage. Lemabeta (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    In my opinion, cultural heritage (both tangible and intangible) emerges from ethnographic groups but does not define the group itself. Lemabeta (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    I think ethnographic groups fall under the category of Ethnography, or even socio-cultural antropology but for sure not cultural heritage. Lemabeta (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    I understand, i already apologized on my talk page for this accident. I will not repeat this mistake again. Lemabeta (talk) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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    Result concerning Lemabeta

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    • I don't see Lemabeta mentioned in the case itself, but they're currently under a topic ban imposed by a consensus of AE admins from "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed". theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      To be fair, when you click above to add a new enforcement request, the template states:
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      <!--- Link to the sanction or remedy that you ask to be enforced ---> voorts (talk/contributions) 20:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed" @Lemabeta: what did you think "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage" meant? I think it's pretty obvious that that an article on an ethnic group from the Caucasus and about an ethnologist who writes about that region is covered by your topic ban. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      Note that I've deleted Draft:Rachvelians as a clear G5 violation. I think Mate Albutashvili is a bit more of a questionable G5. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      Your definition of "ethnographic group" includes the phrases "shared ancestry" (i.e., history), and "shared ... traditions" and "shared ... cultural identity" (i.e., cultural heritage). Your attempt to exclude "ethnographic group" from either of the two categories in your topic ban is entirely unpersuasive, particularly since your topic ban is to be "broadly construed". voorts (talk/contributions) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @Tamzin: this doesn't seem like a mistake to me, but I'm okay with a logged warning here. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @Bishonen: This is about violating the TBAN. Per my response to leek, I think the issue is with the AE request template, which is a bit unclear. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @Bishonen: I don't think a block is needed here, but the next violation, definitely. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @EF5: They were "reviously given ... contentious topic restriction", the topic ban at issue. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • @Lemabeta: Not every single thing you could write about an ethnic group would fall under cultural history, but that's not really relevant on the Rachvelians page, where the History section was entirely about their cultural history, even containing the words highlighting their ethnographic and cultural identity. There's a reason we use the words "broadly construed" on most TBANs, and a reason we encourage people to act like they're TBANned from a broader area than they are. (Consider: Would you feel safe driving under a bridge where clearance is exactly the same height as your vehicle? Or would you need a few inches' gap to feel safe doing it?)This does seem like a good-faith misunderstanding, so if you will commit to not making it again in the future, I think this can be closed with a clarification/warning. But that's an important "if". If you want to argue semantics, then the message that sends to admins is that you don't intend to comply with the TBAN, in which case the next step would be a siteblock. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 21:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • EF5, I don't understand your "Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above" statement, can you please explain what it refers to? This T-ban? Lemabeta's block log is blank.
    That said, I'm unimpressed by Lemabeta's lawyerly distinctions above, and also by their apology for "accidental violations". I'll AGF that they were accidental, but OTOH, they surely ought to have taken enough care to realize they were violations; compare Voorts' examples. I suggest a block, not sure of what length. A couple of weeks? Bishonen | tålk 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
    EF5, OK, I see. Blocks and bans are very different, and the block log only logs blocks. Bishonen | tålk 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC).