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			== ''The Bugle'': Issue CXIV, September 2015 ==
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	I'm not exactly sure how I "vandalized" the Susan B. Anthony abortion debate page, when all I did was correct some spelling. Anyway, I re-corrected it. I think you may be confused. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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			== ''The Bugle'': Issue CXV, October 2015 ==
	May I ask you to undo your change that put "false medical information" and "legal action" under "controversy and legal action"? There are several problems with the change:
	#Criticism ghettos are generally discouraged, I think (which is why we recently got rid of the "criticism" section!), and it's a NPOV issue to fill the "services" section only with favorable information and segregate the unfavorable into "controversy."
	#The legal action has generally not concerned CPCs' provision of false information, so it's just weird to stick the two together unless you ''are'' trying to section off things that might reflect badly on CPCs.
	To avoid the appearance of a POV-motivated change, would you please restore the previous organization of the page?
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	Maybe the "false medical information = service" problem could be solved by renaming the "services" section to "activities"? That would make more sense with "advertising methods" and "religious affiliation" anyway. What do you think?
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			== ''The Bugle'': Issue CXVI, November 2015 ==
	-- ] (] &sdot; ]) 00:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:My mistakes, I should have gone to talk before doing it unilaterally. My only concern is that false medical information is not a "service", i.e., something equivalent to sonograms and financial help. I didn't think it warranted its own section but I didn't find anything it would really fit under, so I put it there. As for your suggestions, I'll take it to talk. Thanks! ] (]) 01:34, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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	::No, you're right - I agree that it isn't a service (even though they may ''think'' they're doing their clients a favor by persuading them not to have abortions). That's why I suggest "activities." ] (] &sdot; ]) 02:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:::Oh, and would you mind explaining your concerns re: the globalize tag? The section includes references from the United States, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Canada - it's ''more'' globally diverse than any other section! ] (] &sdot; ]) 02:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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	Also, I took a look at your article about the Law and Order episode and man, it has some serious POV problems. I corrected the easiest ones (terminology) but you might want to check it out again - the problems are things like "the only quotes from the episode are anti-abortion arguments" (this may seem minor, but I'd rather see them paraphrased) and "your citations for responses are unbalanced" (your only quotes from pro-choice supporters are cited to an anti-abortion source, but you cite, at length, several anti-abortion responses). Can you improve it? ] (] &sdot; ]) 08:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	:Normally I wouldn't have written the article like that, but I am using the terminology used in the actual episode (if you haven't seen it, watch it to see what I'm talking about). What's the policy on that, should we use the terminology used in the show itself or wikify it? Thanks for your help. ] (]) 16:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	::I think the best practice would be to put quotes around anything questionable, though my personal inclination would be to just paraphrase it in neutral terms and save the quotes for actual lines. (Really, though, do they use the word "abortionist"? It being L&O, surely "abortion provider" or "doctor" also comes up.) ] (] &sdot; ]) 16:46, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::I'm not sure about "abortionist", I watched it a long time ago. But I was extremely surprised at the pro-life terminology and rhetoric used in the episode. It was strongly pro-life. ] (]) 16:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::In that case, yeah, quotes and/or paraphrases would be the way to go. However, those are problems I've already attempted to deal with; what do you think about the other points I raised above? ] (] &sdot; ]) 17:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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	Hey! I was looking for that recent revert that you did on the anonymous, one-time IP, but I can't find it in your archives. Then I noticed that you have two archives numbered 1. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:22, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
	:Oops, thanks! Fixed. And the link to the revert. ] (]) 22:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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			== ''The Bugle'': Issue CXVII, December 2015 ==
	Hmm, okay, I took a look, but it seems like it fails ]. Coverage goes back less than a month, and there isn't any evidence that this will be influential in the way the Schiavo case was. I'd give it time to see if anything develops, but be aware that if nothing does, it might be nominated for deletion.
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	Also, LifeNews isn't really a reliable source, so I recommend you find better sources for the statement about "pro-life" organizations - keep in mind that LifeNews's goal is partly to promote the "pro-life" movement, so its statements that "pro-life" organizations have been helping the family should be taken with a grain of salt. PFL's offer of a plane is probably available in their own materials, as is ACLJ's offer of legal counsel. The NCRegister would seem to have the same issue in that it exists to promote a particular point of view.
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	Hope that helps! ] (] &sdot; ]) 01:17, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:You're right, I'll see how it plays out and try to find a new source. Thanks! ] (]) 15:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
	::You're welcome. I may jump in if this becomes politically significant. ] (] &sdot; ]) 00:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::Thanks for the invitation to participate here, yankee, but I'm going to take a break from editing, at least during Lent. Be good! --] <sup>]</sup> 17:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::Sounds good, thanks! ] (]) 18:01, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
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	With you added details about the burial plans, but some of that was already in the article (a few paragraphs up). Would you be able to join in the talk page discussion, or have time to tidy that up? I would do it myself, but don't have time tonight. ] (]) 03:34, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
	:I'll take a look, thanks! ] (]) 15:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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	== SBA List NPOV ==
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	is a violation of ]. Please revert yourself. ] (]) 16:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	:I'll be happy to, but can you explain how it's a violation? ] (]) 16:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	::"Happy to"... yeah, I can imagine how happy. Your removal took out the reference and removed the description of who opposes SBA List, which is a significant factor as it includes notable and intelligent people such as ] who has studied the matter exclusively for decades. At ] it says "Misplaced Pages aims to describe disputes" but in this case you have reduced it so far that only the existence of the dispute is given. ] (]) 17:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::And is there something wrong with that? The dispute with all the pro-choice stuff is linked to twice. The dispute is described there. No need for ]. ] (]) 17:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::I'm confused by your guideline. What part of it are you referring to? ] (]) 17:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Oops, I meant ]. In any case, a simple link is all we need, plus the ref I removed was a biased source. ] (]) 17:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::::CFORK warns against about multiple articles saying the same thing, but this problem is not what we are talking about. There are many times where some brief descriptive text appears in two or more articles to supply continuity and relevance to the topic of the article. For instance, the articles about ], ] and ] can't help but carry some similar information. It is not considered redundant when it helps the reader understand what is being described in the article. In our case, the story of the SBA List includes the story of opposition.
	::::::The Women's Enews article is not biased except from the POV of advocates for pro-life positions. Stevens says a lot of very neutral descriptive statements such as "Dannenfelser's Susan B. Anthony List is also playing a leading role in promoting Anthony as an opponent of abortion." What part of the article do you see Stevens putting her opinion forward?
	::::::Rough times when a neutral account is perceived as biased. :/
	::::::] (]) 18:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::You're right, I should have actually looked at ] before I linked it. In any case, all we need is a simple link, and we have two. You can open a RfC if you want. ] (]) 18:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
			== ''The Bugle'': Issue CXVIII, January 2016 ==
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	Okay, I concede that was over the line and it's not worth the argument. I do note that you undid the changes yourself.
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	As for the deletion - uh, wasn't it an empty page? If it wasn't, oops. ] (]) 16:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:I can't remember whether it was empty, but what user requested that you delete it as you said in the edit summary? ] (]) 17:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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	::Blanking a userspace subpage, creating a second page with almost the exact same content, and then leaving the first page untouched for a month (which is what you did) is close enough to "user requests deletion of page in own userspace" most of the time. I would never delete (User X)'s userpage at the request of (User Y). ] (]) 17:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:::Why couldn't you just ask me first? ] (]) 17:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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	::::Because that's (usually) less efficient than just deleting it, since most people don't care about the pages they blanked and ignored. Incidentally, the image on the userbox is incorrect. That's a ''ten''-week embryo, but you're talking about ''three'' weeks. So you want one that's more like (the earliest-stage embryo whose photo I can find on Commons) or (a good representation of the 21-day stage, but not a photo). And the comment about "before your mother even knew she was pregnant" - how do ''you'' know when a given woman does or doesn't know that she's pregnant? So I recommend removing that, for the sake of accuracy. ] (]) 18:11, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Still, you should ask first instead of just assuming. Given the edits to the userbox, I can only interpret the deletion as a hostile action. The image in the userbox is meant to show the heart of the baby, which is harder to see in the other images. As for the mother knowing she was pregnant, generally women don't know if they're pregnant until they miss their ], which generally occurs every 28 days. 21 days is a week before the menstrual cycle. ] (]) 21:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::::Sorry, ended up here for a different reason and can't help but jump in -- NYY, your reasoning assumes that every woman conceives within a day or two of her period ending. Also, while 28 days is an "average" cycle, it varies widely from person to person. And not for nothing, there are myriad ways of knowing you are pregnant wholly separate from menstruation. ] (]) 21:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::I'm aware of all that. But that is the case for most mothers. In any case, the userbox is meant to illustrate a larger point, not specific details. ] (]) 21:25, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::It is simply factually inaccurate to state that most (or more than a minuscule minority of) women conceive within two days of the end of menstruation, Change that to '''ten''' days and you are accurate. --] (]) 21:36, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::Alright, I changed it. Are we all happy now? ] (]) 21:48, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::Sorry, I'm just in that part of my menstrual cycle where I get really upset by factual inaccuracies. :) ] (]) 22:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::No worries :) ] (]) 22:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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	...we probably wouldn't even get along very well, but the whole ANI thread is one big scam. A userbox, IMO, has always been nothing but contradictory in its supposed purpose (i.e., it's supposed to tell a little bit about you but instead it just creates an "us v. them" environment). HOWEVER, it only creates a stir if it stirs to the right, specifically to the social right. How absurd is it that a userbox is only polemic in that situation? 2 wolves and 1 lamb voting on what's for dinner. You been done wrong, but that whole ANI thread is one freaking great commentary on Misplaced Pages and its one-sided thinking. It doesn't matter what I think about your userbox, this is bigger than that. You fight the good fight, and if they delete yours they gotta delete them all. The revolution begins...<br><br><br>...Now. --] (]) 19:27, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:Two things. First, I have a lot of userboxes on ], but I've managed to select ones that I don't think could possibly create an "us v. them" environment, apart perhaps from the few that are about my opinions on Misplaced Pages policy. That is, unless somehow another editor actually ''is'' a fly that repeatedly attempts to enter people's ears. So I don't think appropriate userboxes are necessarily contradictory. Second, as regards your suggestion that userboxes only tend to be questioned if they are politically or socially right-wing or conservative (if I understand you correctly.) Someone observed recently that one place userboxes are often discussed is RfA - but while "humanist" userboxes (perceived as anti-religion and therefore anti-conservative) have several times been reasons for Oppose votes recently, "religion" userboxes never are. I've also seen some very odd nationalist userboxes on the userpage of an RfA candidate, but none of the voters had any qualms on that occasion. Bias may be in the eye of the beholder. --] (]) 19:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
	::...And the beholders are 2 wolves. "Polemic" is subjective, yes. Sometimes I agree with the wolves, but I know it's a problem when the lamb is the objective of what is subjective. UBX B DAMNED! --] (]) 19:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
	:::I'm confused. In this metaphor, am I a wolf or a lamb? Either way I could really go for some mutton.... ] (]) 22:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
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	IP user, I agree with you 100%. If you want to, you should repost this at the discussion ]. ] (]) 02:35, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
	:Actually, S Marshall makes some good points . Hopefully it will be taken to ] and you can make the case there. Thanks! ] (]) 02:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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	Oh, that's not a problem at all; I never use them anyway. :) '''] ]]''' 00:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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	In case you didn't, here is a replacement.] ] (] &sdot; ]) 03:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:Wonderful, thank you! I must say it looks far superior to the ] I was expecting, with its fish and cheese of questionable authenticity! ] (]) 03:21, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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	Per - are you saying you don't have a ] w/ SBA list? ] (]) 16:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:I did have one in the summer of 2009, but I am not associated with the SBA List anymore. I didn't start regularly editing the article until summer 2010, which is also when I came across Binksternet. ] (]) 20:22, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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	::Makes sense, thanks ] (]) 20:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:::NYyankees51, you were , so I don't know what you mean by "regularly" in regard to 2010's edits. Also: you have not said when it was that your association with SBA List ended. ] (]) 21:36, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::Perhaps regularly wasn't the best word, but the vast majority of the edits were made after summer 2009, when the association ended. I made several edits at a time a few times. In 2010 I began working with it constantly. ] (]) 23:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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	== Same-sex marriage law in the United States by state ==
			== ''The Bugle'': Issue CXIX, February 2016 ==
	Just wanted to say that I've just provided my first thoughts. More anon. ] (]) 18:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
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	Thanks for asking for my input. I've done a little table work int he past, but nothing aggressive, so I'm not going to be much quick help on formatting. Having said that, I do have some thoughts on what I see you doing, some of which are so fundamental that I'm not going to try to edit them in, as that would be both time-consuming and disruptive to whatever's already going on:
	*The whole breaking down sections based on status goes against the very title of the page - it should be ''by state'' - as well as making it less useful as a reference.
	*This would be a summary page, and as such it doesn't require and shouldn't have much depth on each entry, as the individual states probably each have their own page by now.
	*When using tables, you want to keep the information brief in order to keep from making it multiple lines, if possible, allowing as much as possible to be displayed within the height and width of the browser. That keeps things easier to compare, and keeps them closer to the header.
	*It should reflect current status, not history on how it got there - that info is for the individual state page, not a summary page.
	*The table should be in alphabetical order by state, and the columns should be:
	**State name, wikilinked to the SSM-in-the-State article for that state
	**Status, which should be one of three: ''granted'', ''recognized'', ''banned''
	**Status established in constitution: simply ''yes'' or ''no''. For the ''yes'' entries, it should be wikilinked to the article on the referendum that passed the amendment or the ruling that recognized the constitution as permitting SSM.
	**Status established in legislation: simply ''yes'' or ''no'' (and do realize that for some states, this will have the same result as the previous column, as some establish it through both, and I think there are still some states that don't explicitly establish it by either.
	**Marriage-like status offered: ''domestic partnership'', ''civil unions'', or ''none''. If there is an article specifically on that status in that state, or on the passage thereof, it should be wikilinked.
	**Exceptions: This is a brief notes section, and I'm labeling it ''exceptions'' rather than ''notes'' to discourage it from becoming a random information dump. Really, the two things that come to mind are putting "Coquille Nation" in Oregon and "recognition dependent on date" for California.
	*By using a color scheme for the background of the rows - a light red for "banned", yellow for "recognized", green for "performed", you'll make it easier for people to find the subset of information they want, as well as creating a quick visual summary of the general status, in a way that doesn't leave any of the information actually invisible for the color-blind.
	*Your existing placement of Maine is incorrect; they do not have a constitutional ban on SSM. (They did have a referendum, but it wasn't for an amendment of the constitution.)
	*The article should probably have a very brief intro explaining why such a breakdown is necessary: "In the United States, the federal government is barred by law from recognizing same-sex marriages, but that restriction does not flow down to the individual states, which may each set their own laws regarding same-sex marriage."
	*The header "States prohibiting same-sex marriage in state law only" is confusing, as a state constitution is state law. But then, I think this section should be done away with.
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	Would you care to compare search results (take care to eliminate quoted speech and unreliable sources, too) and revert yourself?
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	::You may be right, I just think of "abortion provider" as a clinic or organization, i.e. Planned Parenthood or Tiller's clinic, and "abortionist" as the person who actually performs the abortions, i.e. George Tiller. And it seems Tiller was both an abortionist and and abortion provider. I'll revert myself for the sake of discussion. ] (]) 18:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
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	:::I see what you're saying, but I think that's an idiosyncratic interpretation - "abortion provider" is used for people all the time. "Abortionist" often has connotations of illegality or unprofessionalism, at best. ] (] &sdot; ]) 18:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
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	:::::You're both right about abortionist, but abortion provider seems to me to be the politically correct term with positive connotations, since they're ''providing'', i.e. doing something good for someone, as opposed to something like '''performing'', i.e. just doing something, no connotations. ] (]) 20:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
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	::::::Either way, it's the term more often used by reliable sources. "Abortion performer" isn't used. ] (] &sdot; ]) 20:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
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	:::::::"Abortion performer"? Seriously? Sounds like a really messed up circus act. Regardless, I have a hard time believing that someone as involved in abortion politics as you, NYYankees, isn't fully aware of the connotations of "abortionist." ] (]) 21:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
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	::::::::Honestly I didn't know there were connotations. "Abortionist" is still used in mainstream sources, and exclusively to describe ]. ] (]) 18:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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	:::::::::We're talking about providers of legal abortions, though, right? Certainly Gosnell is a different case altogether. ] (]) 18:27, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::With your background, these nuances have to be very familiar to you, NYyankees51. There is no need to pretend otherwise. The term ''abortionist'' has the connotation of back alley and illegality. The term ''abortion provider'' gives the impression of medical competence and accepted legal status. If you call a legal abortion provider an abortionist then you are insulting them. ] (]) 19:35, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::Honestly, I hadn't really thought about the term. In any case, abortion provider is probably just as POV, because nobody wants to dislike someone who "provides" for people. ] (]) 20:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)		The ] is asking for participation in ]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 43736 --> ] (]) 04:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Again, this is a case where the connotations are largely irrelevant, because reliable sources use "abortion provider" for Tiller and not "abortionist." ] (] &sdot; ]) 01:15, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
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	:Hi Sarek, there was an edit conflict so I hit cancel and submitted it again without checking to see if any changes had been made to the section. My mistake, I restored his edit . ] (]) 13:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
	::{{ec}}I saw that, thanks. However, I'm more concerned about adding the "LiveAction posted the unedited videos to their site" language twice. That first post was definitely restoring language that had been previously removed, but not recently, so I'm not going to count it as a revert. --] (]) 13:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
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	::::You're right Mattnad, so it doesn't look like the 2005 investigation was in response to the 2011 videos. ] (]) 15:10, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Thanks! Also, I'm wondering whether we want work on expanding the Live Action article together. It's a bit.... underwhelming. It also seems to be competing with the Lila Rose article. Really, aren't they synonymous?] (]) 16:28, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
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	you removed general information from the ] article. In your edit summary you wrote "Source doesn't say that". Did you read the source? ''It says that.'' Here we have the long version in the original source:
	*"A sizable majority of pro-life groups work within the Republican Party, hoping to influence the selection of Supreme Court justices and to nominate and elect more Republicans to enact whatever legislation the Court will permit. Since 1980, when pro-life activists gained control of the Republican platform committee, Republican platforms have called for a human life amendment."
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	Later, in the article body, I wrote another summary, with slightly more detail:
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	If your problem is with the Republican part, there are a lot of sources which back it up:
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	* Also: "Pro-life groups, such as the National Right to Life Committee, want a constitutional amendment banning all abortions."
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	What parts of my summaries are untrue to the source? Please be specific. ] (]) 21:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
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	::None of those sources say that the movement is composed largely of Republicans. You could stretch them to say that, but that would be an unprovable generalization. ] (]) 21:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::If your opposition to the bit is simply about wording, how would you word it? ] (]) 22:00, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
	::::I would say that the Republican Party allies with the pro-life movement, not the other way around. ] (]) 02:30, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Why? ] (]) 02:36, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
	::::::Because the movement is independent of the party. The Republican platform says they are pro-life; there is no universal pro-life platform that says they are Republicans. There is a sizable group of pro-lifers who don't give a doggone about politics. ] (]) 15:23, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::There are also unrepentant pro-choice Republicans, in the spirit of pre-1980 Republicans who were more pro-choice than Democrats. "Pro-choice" satisfied the Libertarian streak of Republicanism, the group which did not want more laws restricting people's actions. I say pro-life forces allied with the Republican party because that is the formulation used by the reliable sources. ] (]) 16:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
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	I'm puzzled by your removal of the information that the museum does ''not'' display the other quotes we discuss. ] (] &sdot; ]) 21:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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	:I'm puzzled too. I was thinking that since the sentence was written before we added the "rue the day" quote that I was updating it. I'll restore it, I didn't think anything of it. Sorry about that. ] (]) 01:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
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	::No need to apologize - I just thought that there must be a reason for the removal of the information, and was interested in hearing what that reason was. ] (] &sdot; ]) 01:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
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	: From ] ''"A "revert" means any edit (or administrative action) that reverses the actions of other editors, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material"''. Your first edit reversed recent actions of other editors through an edit, and was technically your first R. When you reverted someone's change, it became your second. Besides, you don't even need to break 1RR to be edit-warring. (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 10:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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	:I noticed that you reverted at ] without discussing any new reasoning. The 1RR sanction is not the problem if even you do not follow ] as a guideline. Whether or not 1RR remains in place, BRD ''will''. ] (]) 16:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
	::As did you, in fact the only difference between your actions and those of NYyankees51 is that you didn’t make the mistake of reverting twice in the same day. The problem removing the sanctions will solve is to help curtail the massive abuses of the administrator’s noticeboard going on. Sanctions shouldn’t be used as an intimidation tactic, and shouldn’t be used as often as possible in order to punish those who don’t share the same POV. A part of acting in good faith is not waiting for an editor you oppose to screw up in order to tattle and see them punished. ] (]) 17:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::I'm not seeing anything "massive" or abusive regarding AN/I. Also, I do not predict better behavior in abortion topics if all the parties are restored to 3RR. There will just be 3x the rate of reversions. Discussion is the key, not changing 1RR. ] (]) 18:46, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::Then why didn't you take this issue to discussion rather than edit war over it? ] (]) 18:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Good question. I guess I thought it was part of the discussion about scholars, whether we should say there was one or more than one scholar, whether the scholars should be acknowledged as a better source than lay researchers and activists, whether their input should be treated as truth because no scholar has opposed them. Certainly, to discuss the specific issue. Perhaps after NYyankees51 is unblocked I can move that discussion to the SBA List talk page. ] (]) 20:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::::This was of course on a user's talk page, after you had made your edits, and after you had already reported the user for "edit warring" to AN/I. Nothing builds consensus like “Hey I’m trying to get you blocked. By the way, what to talk about the issue?” ] (]) 20:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::I agree, PeRshGo. The direct cause of the 1RR was the conduct of ], who antagonized others such as myself and caused others to edit war. WikiMan, Haymaker, me, and a new user are the only people blocked under the rule. Now WikiMan is a sock, Haymaker hasn't been violated it in two months, I fully understand the rule, and the new user was new. I don't think it's needed anymore. Once it's not needed, it becomes a weapon in disputes. ] (]) 23:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::It's pretty bold to declare 1RR not needed and that you "fully understand the rule" one day after you violate it. ] (]) 23:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::See the section above. I didn't understand the technicalities of it. ] (]) 00:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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	Pro-Herman Cain userbox? Good luck with the campaign. Don't bet the farm. :/ ] (]) 00:41, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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	:I don't know about that. He comes across as very genuine, he's very articulate, and his message is resonating. Considering that Newt has imploded, Romney's going nowhere, and Huckabee's not running, the door is wide open. And that benefits Cain, Bachmann, etc. ] (]) 02:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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	::Barring some major scandal or crisis, though, it's going to be difficult for ''any'' Republican to win the general in 2012. Cain might indeed win the primary (though then again, he might not, given the racism of a substantial section of the party), but losing the general is entirely likely to kill his future presidential hopes - the really serious challengers are thinking about '16.
	::...Although I was actually here to tell you that I'm working on your draft on SSM legislation. ;) Hopefully sooner or later it will be ready to put in mainspace. In the meantime, you/me/NatGertler/someone should check that all the information in the current version of the article is represented in the articles on individual statutes before we remove it. ] (] &sdot; ]) 00:39, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::Whatever racism once existed vanished at the time it vanished from the Democratic Party - Cain is the tea party favorite and he's placing towards the top in the polls. Yes, 2016 is going to be a very big year.
	:::Thanks for working on it, I haven't been able to do anything with it recently. I'll take a look at what you've done and hopefully I can get back on it soon and we can finish it off. Thanks! ] (]) 04:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::I wish it were true that racism was gone! Certainly there's less than there was, at least. But it's still alive and well in both parties, the Republican Party more than the Democratic, going based on the incident after incident from Tea Partiers and non-, and from polls like . It would be nice if Cain motivated white voters to change their racist views of black people - however, if he wins the primary, his campaign in the general is going to be seen (perhaps already is seen) as a ploy to win black voters from the Democratic Party, by assuming that they will vote for a black candidate rather than for a candidate who supports policies in the interests of black people. (I sometimes see people cite the percentage of blacks that voted for Obama, as if to prove that it was race-based voting, but Kerry, Gore, and Clinton had similar numbers.) Compare the Clarence Thomas nomination.
	::::I haven't yet saved the edit (it's largely aesthetic, combining a few of the redundant tables) but are you watching the subpage, or should I let you know when it's saved? ] (] &sdot; ]) 04:51, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Any political analyst who thinks that voters will leave their Democratic choice to vote for the black candidate would seem to be forgetting who the Democratic candidate will be.
	:::::My time is tending to come in smaller chunks these days, fine for drive-by editing and kibbitzing, but I'm juggling too many work projects to do a big editing push on anything at the moment. --] (]) 07:19, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
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	::::::Don't worry Nat, I'll keep a ''close'' eye on your LGBT articles for ya. My dream ticket: Palin+Bachmann! See Ros, I'm no sexist. You betcha. ] (]) 08:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::Palin-Bachmann is also the Demo's GOP dream ticket. :P
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	::::::::Yup. It'll never happen, though. Even the Dems wouldn't run a ticket with ''two'' minorities on it, and they don't have the problems the Republican Party has with racism and sexism - this is regardless of whether either of them can actually get on the ticket independent of the other, which is also, to make an understatement, less than a given. ] (] &sdot; ]) 11:59, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::That poll was forced stereotyping. And the party is not sexist either. I am watching the subpage so go ahead when you're ready. ] (]) 15:42, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::Could you clarify what you mean by "forced stereotyping"? Obviously wording the poll the way they did is going to influence the responses - it's the power of suggestion, you'll get more people answering "I think black people are lazy" if you ask "do you think black people are lazy" than if you ask "what do you think of black people" - but I don't see anything that would have led greater numbers of ''Republicans'' to respond negatively and ''Democrats'' to answer positively, as opposed to the same skew in each group. I'll see if I can finish up the edit this evening! ] (] &sdot; ]) 16:52, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Everybody was forced to answer whether they think an entire race is one adjective or another. That's forced stereotyping regardless of whether they respond positively or negatively. In any case, if your racism/sexism theory is true, then all the racists and sexists will vote for Tim Pawlenty as the nonoffensive white male Protestant (Romney is a Mormon, Gingrich has been divorced two or three times, Cain is black, Bachmann and Palin are women, Ron Paul is Ron Paul, and Santorum is Catholic. ] (]) 19:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
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	I agree entirely with Yank here. My response to that poll would have been to snort, insult the pollster, and walk away. <small>And, how about them Red Sox?</small> ] (]) 19:31, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	:I like that reaction.
	:Psh, it's only June...A couple years ago I think the Red Sox took the first nine games of the season and the Yankees took the last nine when it counts! ] (]) 20:22, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
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	Oh, I see what you mean about the poll. I think that, based on what you say, such a poll would have under-measured the amount of non-racists, exactly because, as you say, one doesn't lump all people of one race together. (To quote a wise fictional Catholic, "I have the greatest esteem for Jews, so far as anyone can speak of a heterogenous great body of men in such a meaningless, illiberal way.") However, this doesn't undermine my point, which was that racism is not over and that it's more prevalent among Republicans; I wouldn't cite that poll for its numbers, but rather for its demonstration of the existence and lesser-or-greater of racism. (As for the primary, people are willing to swallow their biases for the sake of their policies all the time, particularly if it lets them pretend they don't have those biases or if the candidate supports restrictive policies against their own group; witness Palin, among a host of others. I certainly wouldn't put money on Pawlenty winning! Nor on Cain losing. It'll be interesting to watch - though, as I said, 2016 and the lead-up will be the most interesting.) PhGustaf, now I'm very much wondering the percentage of non-respondents! ] (] &sdot; ]) 21:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	:Racism is certainly not over, and it's certainly correlated with political conservatism, regardless of party. Until 1964 (which I'm old enough to remember) southern Democrats still hadn't forgiven Lincoln for freeing the slaves. After Johnson (who was a pretty good president except for that Viet Nam thing) pushed through civil rights legislation all those Democrats suddenly became Republicans, and their children did too. It's ludicrous to imagine that racism isn't still a prime motivator for many Republicans, especially the Tea Party loons. ] (]) 07:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
	::Give me a break. What a bunch of liberal BS. ] (]) 16:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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	::"The Tea Party is not a racist movement, period! If it were, why would the straw polls keep showing that the black guy is winning? That's a rhetorical question. Let me state it: The black guy keeps winning." -- ] ] (]) 20:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::There's more to racism than "will they vote for a black guy." The Republican ticket for president in the last election, for example, opposed legislation that would make it easier for women illegally denied equal pay to sue for that pay. It's an attempt to rectify the pay gap where a woman is paid less than a man for the exact same work - a practice prohibited by the Constitution - and which is part of the reason why poor people in the USA are disproportionately female. Is the sexism of this policy canceled out by the fact that one supports it by voting for a woman? Hardly. Would it also be sexist not to vote for her only because she's a woman? Yup, but there's more to sexism than that. ] (] &sdot; ]) 04:50, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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	:::::I haven't seen the film, so your analogy is lost on me. What you're saying about the law is also flatly false, which is obvious if you'd bother to read about it - it didn't extend the statute of limitations indefinitely, rather, it made the statute of limitations relative to ''every'' violation of the Constitution rather than only to the ''first'' one, without changing in any way the duration of said statute of limitations (180 days). ] (] &sdot; ]) 17:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::::I guess I should have said no effective statute of limitations. ] (]) 17:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::The statute of limitations resets back to zero for every new offense. This is not a radical concept - it's how statutes of limitations work. You're asking that offenses against women be treated ''more leniently'' than other offenses. ] (] &sdot; ]) 18:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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	I see you've dropped the Herman Cain box. Was the debate last night unsatisfying? (I saved that edit, by the way, tell me what you think.) ] (] &sdot; ]) 17:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
	:He was the only one last night, aside from Ron Paul, to say gay marriage should be left up to the states as opposed to a federal constitutional amendment...That adds to my concern that he won't focus on social issues. I'm leaning towards Bachmann as of right now, but ] could change things. The edit looks great. Do you think we can add the margins by which the referenda passed? It's not a huge deal, but I find it very interesting to see how the margins vary by region, i.e. barely passing in CA and parts of the north and landslides in the South and Midwest. ] (]) 18:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
	::What people say in debates is always going to be a political decision, though, and doesn't necessarily reflect what their priorities will be in office. Cain presumably thinks that registered Republicans want to hear about the economy. (Which would probably help him among independents in the general, but I don't know about among Republicans - after all, the House made anti-abortion laws their priority upon taking over - though then again perhaps Republican voters ''are'' discontented with the failure to address economic problems.) What he says presumably represents his actual positions (ie. he probably won't push for a federal amendment, having said he wouldn't), but the weight given to the various issues might be different in the campaign and in office (ie. he might soft-pedal abortion during the campaign but go all-out for anti-abortion laws in office).
	::I don't think it's necessary to add the margins in an overview of current state-by-state status, since ] exists and could be linked. ] (] &sdot; ]) 18:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::You make good points. I'm just a little uncertain because I heard him speak last week at the ] and he only made two or three passing references to life and marriage while Huntsman, Pawlenty, and Bachmann made strong life and marriage-focused speeches.
	:::I'll take a look at that page. Thanks! ] (]) 01:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::I guess it's possible that he's being forward-thinking and trying to limit his focus on social policy for the general; though - you yourself are a prime example - it might hurt him among Republicans such that he never makes it to the general. Primaries are fascinating that way - see Sestak and Specter in Pennsylvania, Perry and Hutchinson in Texas... (And primary ''campaigns'' are such interesting creatures - because you want to slag off your opponents enough that you win the nomination, but not so much that you damage them in the general election if they beat you. Are you speculating yet on who will drop out first?) Heh, I don't even have to think about anything in this election cycle.
	::::Yeah...I'm always worried that there's lurking redundancy that I can't see to correct. But that page exists and is well-formatted and everything, so it's not necessary to repeat the information. ] (] &sdot; ]) 05:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
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			Belated Happy Easter and Kalo Pascha! We're excited to announce the return of our newsletter ''Ichthus''! Getting this issue out was ] for a while. Check out what's happening at the Project:
			* There was a ] about the Easter Did You Know nomination Christ the Lord is Risen Today
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			In March the Project saw four articles promoted to GA-Class. They were the oh-so-irresistible ] (nom. ]) ''(pictured)'', ] (nom. ]), ] (nom. ]) and last but not least ] (nom. ]). Black Christmas? How did that get in there lol? Congratulations to all of the nominators for a job well done!
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			''']''' (7–2 BC to 30–33 AD) is the central figure of ], whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the ] and the awaited ] of the ]. Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that a ] existed, although there is little agreement on the reliability of the ] and how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus. Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish preacher from Galilee, was baptized by ], and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman prefect, ]. Christians generally believe that Jesus was conceived by the ], ], performed ], founded the Church, ] as a sacrifice to achieve ], ], and ] into heaven, from which ]. The great majority of Christians worship Jesus as the incarnation of God the Son, the second of three Persons of a ]. A few Christian groups reject Trinitarianism, wholly or partly, as non-scriptural. ], Jesus is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah. {{TFAFULL|Jesus}}
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			Last month's auspicious relaunch of ] precipitated something of an uproar in the Misplaced Pages community. What started as a localized edit war over censorship spilled over onto the Administrator's Noticeboard finally ending up at Misplaced Pages's supreme judicial body ArbCom. resulted in the admonishment of administrator {{u|Future Perfect at Sunrise}} for his involvement in the dispute. The story ] by Misplaced Pages's venerable flagship newspaper ''The Signpost''.
			The question of whether to delete all portals--including the 27 Christianity-related portals--was put to the Misplaced Pages community. Approximately 400 editors have participated in the ]. Going by !votes, Oppose deletion has a distinct majority. The original ] was created on November 5, 2005 by {{User link|Brisvegas}} and the following year he successfully nominated the portal for Featured Portal. {{u|The Transhumanist}} has revived ] with hopes of revitalizing Misplaced Pages's system of 1,515 portals.
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			Four articles in the Project were promoted to GA: ] nom. by {{u|Borsoka}}, ] nom. by {{u|LovelyGirl7}}, ] nom. by {{u|Coffee}} and ] nom. by {{u|Gerda_Arendt}}. The Psalm ends with "O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee." Words to live by. Please support our members and send some ] to the nominators!
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			* ] has an RFC regarding acceptability of movie reviews for inclusion; see ]
			* ] has a requested move to United States anti-abortion movement; see ]
			The following articles need reviewers for GA-class: ] nom. by {{u|Gog the Mild}}, ] nom. by {{u|Finnusertop}}. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
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			The ''']''' was a controversy precipitated by the ]' seizure of Edgardo Mortara, a six-year-old Jewish child, from his family in ], in 1858. The city's ], Father Pier Feletti, heard from a servant that she had administered ] to the boy when he fell sick as an infant, and the ] held that this made the child irrevocably a Catholic. Because the Papal States had forbidden the raising of Christians by members of other faiths, it was ordered that he be taken from his family and brought up by the Church. After visits from the child's father, international protests mounted, but ] would not be moved. The boy grew up as a Catholic with the Pope as a substitute father, trained for the priesthood in Rome until 1870, and was ] in France three years later. In 1870 the ] captured Rome during the ], ending the pontifical state; opposition across Italy, Europe and the United States over Mortara's treatment may have contributed to its downfall. {{TFAFULL|Mortara case}}
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			Fellow members, I'm pleased to announce the return of the newsletter of ]. And considering the recent ] the timing could not be better. ''The Right Stuff'' will help keep you apprised of what's happening in conservatism at Misplaced Pages and in the world. ''The Right Stuff'' welcomes submissions including position pieces, instructional articles, or short essays addressing important conservatism-related issues. Post submissions ].
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			# ] – legendary monarch who ushered in the Elizabethan Era over the dead body of her ] (#5)
			# ] – on his deathbed the last words of the king who founded the English Reformation were "Monks! Monks! Monks!"
			# ] – can't wait to see the ] featuring the "I Have a Dream" speech
			# ] – surprisingly "original research" is not one of the Seven deadly sins
			# ] – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC)
			# ] – our article says that he upstaged Meghan at her wedding. Did you see her wedding pictures? All I can say is <small><nowiki>{{dubious}}</nowiki></small>
			# ] – when informed that missiles were being installed in Cuba he famously quipped, "Can they hit ]?"
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			''']'''. Predictions of ] that would result in the extinction of humanity, a collapse of civilization, or the destruction of the planet have been made since at least the beginning of the ]. Most predictions are related to ], often standing for or similar to the ] events described in their scriptures. Christian predictions typically refer to events like the ], ], ], and the ].
			Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages raging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. In the UK in 2015, the general public believed the likeliest cause would be ], while experts thought it would be ]. Between one and three percent of people from both countries thought the apocalypse would be caused by ] or ]. (])
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			WikiProject Conservatism was a ] at the Administrators' Noticeboard/Incident (AN/I). Objective3000 started a thread where he expressed concern regarding the number of RFC notices posted on the Discussion page suggesting that such notices "could result in swaying consensus by selective notification." Several editors participated in the relatively abbreviated six hour discussion. The assertion that the project is a "club for conservatives" was countered by editors listing examples of users who "profess no political persuasion." It was also noted that notification of WikiProjects regarding ongoing discussions is explicitly permitted by the ] guideline.
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			# ] – a monarch of the House of Bourbon who reigned as King of France. He did say, "Every time I appoint someone to a vacant position, I make a hundred unhappy and one ungrateful."
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			''']''' is a ] three-spire cathedral in the city of ], ]. It belongs to the Church of Ireland and was completed in 1879. The cathedral is located on the south side of the River Lee, on ground that has been a place of worship since the 7th century, and is dedicated to ], patron saint of the city. It was once in the Diocese of Cork; it is now one of the three cathedrals in the ] Diocese of Cork, Cloyne and Ross, in the ecclesiastical province of ]. Christian use of the site dates back to a 7th-century AD monastery, which according to legend was founded by Finbarr of Cork. The entrances contain the figures of over a dozen biblical figures, capped by a tympanum showing a Resurrection scene.
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			# ] – The Virgin Queen, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House of Tudor who ushered in the ], reversed re-establishment of Roman Catholicism by her ].
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	FYI - I have removed the {{diff|Misplaced Pages talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2011-06-22/Abortion-rights movement|438091667|438004533|uncivil comments}} you posted where you told me that I "don't have a clue" and that I should "shut up and go find something better to do". They were quite uncalled for, and I think you should make a sincere effort to be more civil and remain calm in the future. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 23:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	:I was using your own admission - "I have no interest because the last time I took part in a related discussion was probably well over a year ago". As for finding something better to do, I stand by that - Husky took ''two hours'' of his time in an earnest and sincere effort to ensure that this long and complex dispute is resolved. But you march in complaining that you got notified. It took you ten times as long to go to the discussion and whine than it would have to delete the notifications. So perhaps I was uncivil, but I have no tolerance for whining, especially from someone who has "no interest" in the topic. ] (]) 16:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
	::I thought it was rather careless for someone to mass-post a notice to hundreds of users, many of whom had already gotten a notice about the same thing a few days prior. I also thought it was rather careless to mass-post a notice to any user who had ever edited the two articles in question or their talk pages, ''ever''. So, even users who made a minor edit 6 years ago and never edited it since still got a notice about this. My goal was to point out these two careless decisions, in the hopes that the editor who made them would put more care into such decisions in the future. My goal was not to selfishly whine that I had gotten duplicate notices on my talk page for something I'm not interested in, but rather to speak for the other 300 editors who were probably somewhat annoyed by the same thing. As for it taking over 2 hours of work to post the notices, that's Husky's problem. There are plenty of bots out there that would allow you to do the same thing in a few minutes. Just because someone took a long time to do something doesn't mean that it was a good idea or well-executed. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 18:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::Excuse me, only the editors who had edited either article since July 2010 were notified. And even if all 300 editors were "annoyed", it takes 20 seconds to remove the notice(s) from their talk pages. You could have just done that instead of spending 50 times as long complaining on the mediation page and now on my page. ] (]) 18:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
	::::If it takes 20 seconds for each of 300 users to remove an annoying notice from their talk page, then that is nearly two man-hours wasted unnecessarily. If you don't like my whining and complaining, then why don't ''you'' "shut up and go find something better to do" than whining and complaining about my whining and complaining? You could have read my complaint and ignored it in 20 seconds instead of spending 50 times as long complaining on the mediation page and now on your talk page. But, I realize that it is unreasonable to expect you to understand the irony, judging from the "I support George W. Bush" userbox (among others) on your user page.
	::::Anyway, the only reason I posted something on my talk page was to encourage you to be more civil, but that is clearly not going to happen so I guess I'll just have to hope that I never run into you again. Good luck pushing your tea party POV at the abortion mediation, I hope it all works out for you. Have a nice life. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 21:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
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	In discussions it is far worse to shut someone up by deleting what they say, than to shut someone up by proving what they do say isn't worth saying. The former is an act of cowardice, practiced by book-burners throughout history, who were afraid that a differing opinion would result in less control over other people. Truth always hurts liars and the deluded, but '''only''' those groups. Honorable people have nothing to fear from Truth. If you believe that a "pro-life" stand incorporates more Truth than a pro-abortion-rights stand, then you should be able to back it up in a Debate. If you can't back it up, then your so-called "truths" aren't necessarily what you think they are --that's a '''real''' Truth. You've thrown down the gauntlet by, apparently, not wanting others to see my willingness to directly Debate any "pro-lifer" into a kind of speechlessness on that topic (because just about anything you say can be used against you). Do you have the integrity to follow through? We shall see! ] (]) 09:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
	:By the way, after writing the above I went over to the Mediation page and looked at your reversion, and noticed the comment about a "personal attack". Perhaps you missed the original now-deleted discussion about a Malthusian Catastrophe? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AMediation_Cabal%2FCases%2F2011-06-22%2FAbortion-rights_movement&action=historysubmit&diff=440217353&oldid=440198919 ) Kenatipo was first to say that I spoke nonsense, after which I showed that it was Kenatipo who was spouting nonsense. And nobody complained about either comment being a personal attack! So, when I wrote the text you reverted, I was referring-back to the deleted discussion, and nothing more. It is not an "attack" to state a simple Truth (that is, if you prove someone is lying, it is not an attack --it is an Objectively accurate description!-- to call that person a liar). But when such a statement is taken out of context, which apparently you did with respect to my text you reverted, the perception of the statement can be different. I'll be happy to edit that text, to include the above link for reference, if you unrevert it. ] (]) 15:51, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
	::Your post was an aggressive taunt and it was off topic; I think most editors would back me up in deleting it. And I'm more than willing to debate you on the abortion issue any time - but only on our talk pages, not the articles. ] (]) 18:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::I will agree that it was an aggressive taunt, so long as you accept I wasn't making a personal attack. We could do all the debating right here, if that's OK with you. We could also start with the observation that the phrase "pro-life" is valid only in the short term, since the evidence points to it helping a Malthusian Catastrophe to happen in the long term. The evidence I'll pick first is that ] essay, "Is Anyone Listening", which I linked in the original deleted discussion on the mediation page ( http://www.koransky.com/Trackers/Other/IsAnyoneListening.html ). The description "penny-wise and pound-foolish" seems appropriate for pro-lifers (if not "unwittingly pro-genocide"), when a long-enough view is considered, as Asimov points out in mathematical detail. What evidence can you offer, that increasing the numbers of births (by banning elective abortions) is not a bad idea in the long run? (Do recall the overall relevance, because Misplaced Pages wants a suitable '''long-term''' title for the article devoted to your side of the abortion debate.) (I need to say that due to other committments I can only work on this Debate at oddball intervals.) ] (]) 19:56, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
	::::I really have no familiarity with the "Malthusian catastrophe", but if I understand it correctly as being about overpopulation - the essay you link to was written in the 1990s with 1990s logic. Overpopulation is a myth. It's not that people started having more children, it's that the medical/technological advances of the past 100-200 years caused people to stop dropping like flies. Even if banning abortion did cause dire overpopulation, it wouldn't be any better than the alternative - with today's increased life expectancies and below-replacement fertility rates, there will be a disproportionate number of elderly who will have to be supported by the depleted ranks of workers. ] (]) 20:26, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::::A simple definition of overpopulation is, "If a given place doesn't have the resources to sustain the population, then that place is overpopulated". A few centuries ago ] provided a nearly perfect test-case of a Malthusian Catastrophe (proving humans are '''not''' immune). The people living there cut down the last tree (their primary resource, which mostly went to build fishing boats), after which the island experienced at least an 80% population drop, due to starvation and/or fighting and/or cannibalism. About a century later the place was discovered by Europeans, still treeless. Since then the population has interacted sufficiently with the rest of the world to not need to cut down imported/planted trees, to make fishing boats. Thomas Malthus didn't know about Easter Island's history when he wrote his famous Essay on Population ( http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1798malthus.html )--the Catastrophe that happened there was documented by archaeologists only a few decades ago. Overpopulation has been and will again be FACT, not "myth". ] (]) 15:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Next, almost the entire history of humanity can be described in terms of population growth to levels where at least some people had to move to other places to obtain fresh resources, or starve. And, after the world filled up, warfare began getting practiced seriously (the goal being to capture the resources of others--a classic example being the invasion of Canaan by the Hebrews, killing everyone they met). '''In general''' it's very simple: Peace causes overpopulation, which then causes war or worse, until the population can be sustained again. Modern technologies have allowed an unusually long period of "peace" (as compared to, say, the first two World Wars --did you know that one of the reasons specifically given by Hitler for German expansion into neighboring territories was the need for "]" because of its population increase?). The ] growth associated with the last 65 years of global relative-peace is well known. In the animal kingdom a Malthusian Catastrophe will be almost entirely the result of starvation (a 99% population drop is typical); humans have more options --and so for us, World War Three is a likely way for most of humanity to die (maybe even more than 99% --how is that "better" than only-older-people-who-need-support not getting it?). But the '''root cause''' of WW3 will almost certainly be overpopulation, the way things are progressing in this era (do I need to copy the other links from that deleted discussion on the mediation page, regarding global resource depletion?). ] (]) 14:52, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Your focus on just '''some''' of the world (where population is growing slowly or even declining) is misplaced. Total numbers matter more, and it remains true that the total human population of Island Earth ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M ) is growing by more than 80 million each year (much like what Asimov wrote about twenty years ago), and this is happening in '''spite''' of this data: http://www.care2.com/causes/global-health-200-million-starving-children.html The quarter-million who lost their lives in the December 2004 Indian-Ocean tsunami were replaced in less than two days. So, try again. Please provide some '''global''' data indicating that a Malthusian Catastrophe is not in humanity's future, if the total population keeps growing as currently is the case. ] (]) 07:49, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
	=== Person subsection ===
	Honestly, I don't know enough about overpopulation to argue the finer points with you. Can I ask whether or not you deny that the unborn child is a human person? ] (]) 19:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
	:You can ask, heh. I'm going to take my time working up to an answer, though.... Let's start with the fact that lots of people believe things that other people don't. For example, do children believe in Santa Claus? What about Santa's elves? And, are elves "people"??? Would a child who believes in Santa's elves bother to claim that only a human can be a person? How about someone who greatly enjoys science fiction and fantasy? The imaginations of a great many people have had no difficulty whatsoever accepting the notion that lots of Beings can be nonhuman but also People, despite, so far, their complete and utter fictionality ( http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/moseisleycantina/ ). (And to '''really''' understand the flavor of this concept, consider God, Who doesn't have a physical body at all, and therefore is nonhuman, but still has many characteristics that most adult humans would probably associate with the concept of "Person".)
	:Do you see where the preceding leads, though? There is a Very Important Question that Must Be Answered. "What is, '''precisely''', the difference between a generic Person/Being, and a mere animal?" The Answer to that Question needs to be Universally Applicable. It would likely not be '''Right''' for us to someday travel to some distant planet and start eating the local life-forms, only to find out later that some of them qualified as People! ( http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?80686-Dolphins-Have-Language-Including-Names-Researchers-Say ) So, we need a Definition of Person such that every imaginable (to say nothing of actual) sort of Person fits the definition, while every imaginable/actual sort of animal fails to fit the definition.
	:And after that definition has been devised, all you have to do is apply it to any unborn human you choose. So far as I know, they will all only qualify as "mere animals"; they are human bodies that lack the generic thing that would qualify an organism as a Person. (Consider fully-adult humans that have dead brains and are on full artificial life-support. Those human bodies have '''lost''' the thing that would qualify an organism as a Person, which is why they can be legally unplugged from that life-support.) By the way, this next thing is United-States-specific, because it is about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers. I think you will agree that they were a fairly religious group? When they wrote the Constitution, they used the word "person" throughout. In the Constitution is a requirement to take a Census of all Persons every decade. The first Census was in 1790, and the Founding Fathers were still very-much "there" to decide what should and what should not be counted as a Person. (They counted a slave as 3/5 of a Person, back then.) Unborn humans have '''never''' been counted in '''any''' Census ( http://www.census.gov/history/www/through_the_decades/index_of_questions/ ), including the most recent one of 2010! (Likely reason: "Don't count your chickens before they hatch!" --about 1/6 of all pregnancies miscarry or result in stillbirth, and of course some result in twins, or triplets, or....) But perhaps you have some information on unborn humans and the concept of "person" that I lack. Let me know! ] (]) 05:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
	::You're looking at it more philosophically; I look at it scientifically as well. The way I see it there are three options for when life begins - birth, viability, conception. 1) It wouldn't make sense for life to begin at birth because the baby is no different outside the mother's body than it was inside; all that has changed is its location (for example, getting in our out of a car does not change you). Another problem with life beginning at birth is that if the baby is halfway through the birth canal, is it half human? No, because that is biologically impossible. 2) It wouldn't make sense for life to begin at viability because viability is subjective. With the advance of medical technology, babies born earlier and earlier can survive and even thrive outside the womb. Viability was 28 weeks a decade or two ago; now it is 22-24 weeks, and that number will only get smaller and smaller as time goes on. 3) The only option left (and if there's another, tell me) is conception. The single cell formed at conception contains all the information ever needed for that unique being. From conception, nothing is added to the being but oxygen, nutrition, and time. The same is the case with born persons. Therefore, the unborn baby is indeed a person. At least scientifically; hopefully philosophy will adhere to science. And it is very hard to find a credible scientist who will deny that life begins at conception these days. ] (]) 14:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::You seem to be confusing "life" with "person" --they are two different things. You certainly know that vast numbers of ordinary animals (and plants! --and bacteria!) are completely alive, while none of them are considered to be "persons". For humans to be an exception to that General Observation means that humans must have something that other ordinary life-forms lack. Furthermore, because of the stuff I wrote at the start of this subsection, it is important to accept that various other organisms, including entirely non-physical types like God, can also have that special distinguishing characteristic, which separates people from mere animals. I '''completely''' agree that the life of any human organism begins when egg-fertilization occurs, but I also have no reason to think that '''just''' because it is alive, it must also automatically qualify as a "person".
	:::To clarify this, consider that modern medical technology has '''almost''' reached the point where it would be possible to cut someone's head off, and keep both head and body alive separately, indefinitely, afterward. Let us now imagine med-tech gets appropriately better, so a super-fast Emergency Response Team could someday be called to save someone when an accidental decapitation happens. Should they rescue the head or the body, to save the life of the '''person''' who was decapitated? I think you will agree that they must save the head, '''despite''' it weighing only maybe three kilograms, while the rest of the body might easily weigh more than fifty kilograms --'''and''' despite the fact that both parts are completely human and completely alive at the moment decapitation occurs. (Remember it takes about 4 minutes of lack-of-oxygen to kill the brain, and I specified that this imaginary Emergency Response Team was super-fast.) Well, it is a Scientific Fact that a just-fertilized human ovum has no significant brain. It has molecular/biological hardware that can process DNA instructions like it was computer code, but that's all. However, '''every''' living cell has that much, so why should only that '''human''' cell be called a person, again?
	:::Here is another piece of medical information that can lead to an even bigger problem with the idea that a just-fertilized human ovum should be called a "person". There is a goal of figuring out how various animals can re-grow ("regenerate") lost limbs. Obviously every paraplegic and quadriplegic could benefit from such a medical breakthrough, and progress '''has''' been getting made ( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article559955.ece ). Well, imagine Ultimate Success, and the consequences of that.... If you lost a finger, you could re-grow it. '''But you could also take that finger and grow a whole new body from it!''' Every time you bleed, you lose white blood cells that are fully human and fully alive '''and''', with regeneration technology, fully able to grow into new human bodies. Well, there is no requirement that just because something is possible, it '''must''' be required to happen. It is absurd to think that a just-fertilized human ovum is any more significant, with respect to "person-ness", than one of those lost white blood cells.
	:::There is something more that I want to say, that properly should have been added to my previous post here. In Biology, it is recognized that there are two major/fundamental strategies pursued by various organisms, with respect to reproduction: http://en.wikipedia.org/R/K_selection_theory --humans are "K" strategists; we care greatly about our offspring (and, of course, anything that can be done can also be over-done, as proved by the existence of abortion opponents). In the realm of science fiction, speculations exist about intelligent beings whose biology is based on "R" strategy. The best-known such work is http://en.wikipedia.org/Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land , with fictional Person-class Martians. Lesser-known, but involving the same fictional Martians, is http://en.wikipedia.org/Red_Planet_(novel). A feature of this story is the misunderstanding of "R" strategy by the humans who were colonizing Mars. See, an "R" strategist can have hundreds or even thousands of offspring at a time. Most of those offspring '''must''' be allowed to die while growing up (else human "overpopulation" would be as '''nothing''' compared to what those nonhumans would experience!!!). A relevant Question is this: "At what stage during growth should the offspring of Person-class 'R'-strategists themselves be called 'persons'?" The book "Red Planet" tries to get the reader to understand that Question. But I happen to think it is relevant to humans, too, despite our being "K" strategists. Because it is '''so''' easy for us to make more unborn humans (so easy that most types of birth-control fail now and then), that '''there is no need''' to assign to them as much value as, say, actually-born-alive humans. ] (]) 16:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
	::::I'm not a philosopher, so I'm not equipped to respond to the route you're taking. I just go with what science and common sense tell me. But in response to "I '''completely''' agree that the life of any human organism begins when egg-fertilization occurs, but I also have no reason to think that '''just''' because it is alive, it must also automatically qualify as a 'person'," what else is it? ] ] happen when human beings are not treated as persons. ] (]) 16:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::::More exactly yet also more generically, "Bad things happen when persons are not treated as persons." Are dolphins people? http://www.eurocbc.org/page909.html (If I could find something about how dolphins are likely to mostly die off because we are eating all their food, I'd link that, too. Here's a start, though: http://overfishing.org/ ) '''It is extremely important to ''know'' --not guess, not claim, ''know''-- whether or not some organism not yourself is a person!''' So, again, just because an unborn human is perfectly human and perfectly alive, what evidence can you offer to convince anyone that it qualifies as "perfectly a person", also???
	:::::Have you given any thought yet, to the generic problem of how to recognize a person? Here's my best-so-far stab at it. "A person is able to consciously compromise its inherent/Natural selfish desires." The word "consciously" is important, because a certain amount of altruistic behavior can actually be instinctive (]). And "compromise" is important, too, because compromise usually involves interaction with another entity, which will have its own set of inherent/Natural selfish desires. Most animals interact with others (especially others of other species) competitively only, as if their selfish desires are somehow inherently so important they don't need to be compromised. (BUT: http://travel-for-love.com/2011/07/18/the-dolphin-and-the-fishermen/ ) I could now argue that humans who enslaved other humans did not at that time qualify as persons(!), because they put their own selfish desires ahead of others, uncompromisingly. Ditto with those who caused the Holocaust. But that would be a rather extreme argument, since it is reasonable to think that at '''other''' times those same humans were able to compromise their selfishness. (Just like a sleeping person is unable at that time to do much, but can be quite capable after waking up.) It is assumed that God does compromise, also, because we are allowed to have "free will". And even in fiction our treatment of non-human alien Beings is closely related to the manner in which they they are willing to interact with us (Compare the movies ] and ] --and, since many humans are bigoted xenophobes, we can still fail to Do The Right--or best--Thing: ]). Meanwhile, unborn humans (and brain-dead humans on full-life-support) '''utterly and totally cannot''' participate in conscious compromise; therefore, by this philosophical analysis, they are mere animal bodies only. Simple! ] (]) 18:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
	::::::So can newborns and toddlers be killed too because they cannot "consciously compromise" their desires and are therefore not persons? ] (]) 19:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::Tsk, tsk, trying to confuse the Subject (this is a Debate about '''abortion''') is a waste of time. Even if we Scientifically Proved that newborns and toddlers could not qualify as persons (I've seen evidence suggesting they begin to qualify about 18 months after birth), there is a whole History of Precedents and "grandfather clauses" and such-like which would prevent any changes in laws regarding their treatment. Nor do I have any desire to change those existing laws. I do, however, desire to point out how short-sighted and narrow-minded and founded-on-bad-data and poorly-thought-through are the arguments to change also-existing laws that currently allow abortion. For example, if it '''was''' proved that even recently born humans are merely animals, then what would be the rationale for opposing abortion? Animal-cruelty laws? Read on (after the next paragraph)!
	:::::::It could be noted that this Question I presented earlier: "At what stage during growth should the offspring of Person-class 'R'-strategists themselves be called 'persons'?" --that Question can be compared somewhat to early human growth. The main difference is that a human needs a womb during that period, while "R"-strategist offspring are able to fend for themselves in the outside world (where most would get eaten by other life-forms). But both start from a single cell (recall that Regeneration technology means "It is absurd to think that a just-fertilized human ovum is any more significant, with respect to 'person-ness', than one of those lost white blood cells"), and eventually both types of offspring could become adult organisms. And both become qualified as Persons '''somewhere''' along the way. That's the comparison I'm writing this paragraph about; '''"birth" doesn't ''have'' to have anything to do with person-ness'''. If traits of person-ness begin to be appear about 18 months after a human's birth, then it likely happens at an equivalent stage of brain-growth for the "R"-strategist. There is no room for bigotry or hypocrisy or unproved '''claims''' in Science (plenty of room for speculations, though!).
	:::::::I will now proceed to specify the exact difference that "birth" makes, with respect to the descriptions "newborn" and "unborn". Some opponents of abortion do question, after all, how there can be any significant difference, when the birthing process might take just a few hours. We all know, of course, that '''part''' of the difference is the simple fact that the umbilical cord is no longer relevant to that human's survival. However, what of the larger picture? Think in terms of the phrase ]. For every moment of its existence while attached to a womb, the survival mode of that human involves pure selfishness. It '''takes''' oxygen and nutrients without regard to the health of the woman (as bad as a fictional Person-class "vampire", which is, typically in fiction --and '''despite''' qualifying as a Person!-- to-be-executed-immediately-upon-discovery-by-any-means-possible). It also dumps biowaste into the woman's system, also without regard to her health, '''and''' sends her a mildly psychoactive hormone () to make her feel good about it ('''worse''' than even a fictional vampire!). Those are Scientific Facts about unborn humans. After birth, however, it can't do any such things! Its survival depends utterly on receiving gifts --including the gift of having its biowaste voluntarily removed. '''That's''' the BIG difference birth makes! And so, because of its uncompromising (even uncompromisable!) selfishness right up to the moment of first breath, it is entirely reasonable to think that an unborn human is entirely equivalent to just --and only!-- a mere animal.
	:::::::However, I'll also note that we have laws regarding treatment of animals. If a late-term abortion is to be done, when it is possible for the unborn human to feel pain (the brain isn't even connected to the rest of the body during the first two trimesters), then an appropriately painless or '''fast''' method should be used. Fairly standard stuff, that, when "putting down" an animal! ] (]) 20:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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	Most scientists would say that life begins well before conception. However, that only barely scratches the surface on the subject of abortion. Here's a fascinating article on the subject by Druyan and her late husband, Sagan, titled ''""'' -- ] (]) 15:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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	:tl;dr I'll read it soon. But skimming over it, the claims that the Catholic Church didn't oppose abortion until recent times is false; the ] condemned it. ] (]) 17:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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	::There used to be a perfectly valid reason for a Religion of any stripe to ban abortion, masturbation, Onanism, homosexuality, or any other thing that might reduce the birth rate. Well, "valid" in the sense of "good for the Religion", if not for anyone else. I refer you to what I wrote earlier about overpopulation and how warfare began to be practiced seriously, to obtain resources from others. Any group that could cause enough warriors to be born would obviously enhance its ability to conquer the neighbors. And Religions directly benefit in the form of "tithes". As a result, at one time the Roman Catholic Church was the wealthiest organization on the planet. Then the Reformation happened, as its greed was exposed, along with the ]. Nowadays we have "separation of Church and State" specifically to prevent Religions' greed for money and power from causing more wars. Unfortunately, the Middle East didn't learn that lesson like Europe did. And so one of the "hot spots" of the present era's global population explosion is the Middle East, thanks to the political powers that their Religions have seized....
	::Because its self-interest is involved, that's an excellent reason why one should be '''very''' suspicious of any '''claims''' made about unborn humans by any Religion. Also note that because of the current ] situation, '''all''' the old religion-started bans need to be rescinded; we need as many harmless-to-civilization ways as possible to reduce the global birth rate!
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	It's been a while since you last posted to this Debate. Did I '''really''' post a "taunt" when I indicated on the mediation page that I was willing to render speechless any other pro-lifer? Or was I stating a Truth? No matter. I'm utterly confident that there is '''exactly one''' valid argument that pro-lifers can raise to oppose elective abortions. But that argument depends on the total population of humanity being so small it risks extinction if the gene pool isn't kept shuffling. Nothing like that has been true for about 75,000 years (see ]), so that particular argument is irrelevant to today's world. All other anti-abortion arguments are inherently invalid, because they are all based on faulty data --such as the unproved claim that an unborn human qualifies as a "person"-- at the very least.
	:Other faulty data is the claim of "right to life". In the Natural World there is no such thing! Where was the "right to life" for the giant dinosaurs when that big meteor arrived? Where was the "right to life" for all those people in the capital of Haiti when that earthquake recently hit? And so on. Nature cares not one whit about humanity's "right to life". '''All that it really is''' is a convenient tool to help Persons to get along better with each other! And, as we are slowly beginning to recognize, we need to get along with various non-Person elements of the Natural World, also, lest we destroy the biosphere and make ourselves extinct. The Law of Cause and Effect cannot be ignored, and Religions have been pushing awareness of that Rule for millennia. Well, so they '''do''' occasionally get something right! --Although, of course, they still fail to accept that the long-term consequences of a "pro-life" anti-abortion stand will most certainly be a Malthusian Catastrophe!
	:One result of the Law of Cause and Effect is an anti-abortion argument involving the fact that sexual intercourse is linked to pregnancy. "You caused it, so you need to take responsibility for it!" is the gist of the argument. The problem with that argument is that it overlooks the actual details of what happens in-between sexual intercourse and pregnancy. The first intermediate thing is that sperm must encounter an egg. Does sexual intercourse '''control''' sperm??? Of course not; they are independent cells/organisms acting independently of either participant in sexual intercourse. Conception is utterly and purely the fault of the sperm and egg, interacting --did you know the egg is as active a participant as the sperm? ( http://discovermagazine.com/1992/jun/theaggressiveegg55 ). It seems possible that, at least on rare occasions, an egg might reject '''every''' sperm it encounters. All sex does is give sperm and egg an '''opportunity''' to interact. They are not required to do so, and of course sometimes the egg isn't even there, to be a participant.
	:Another key intermediate step, between sexual intercourse and pregnancy, is the implantation in the womb by a blastocyst, several days after conception. Again, the blastocyst is an independent organism, doing its own thing completely independently of the sex act. It is well-known that blastocysts sometimes fail to implant. Nor is there anything in Nature that '''requires''' them to do so, as a result of the sex act. '''If the claim that "sex causes pregnancy" was ''literally'' true, then pregnancy would result from ''every'' act of sexual intercourse!''' All sex '''actually''' does is increase the probability that pregnancy can occur. And even then, something like 1/7 of all couples are Naturally unable to reproduce! (Also, please recall that sex is actually not required for pregnancy, due to the actual existence of "artificial insemination", and is claimed to not be required, due to the claimed existence of "]s". It is not known if ] can happen in humans, but it '''is''' known that if it does, the offspring must be female.) ] (]) 12:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
	:So, exactly where does the Responsibility lie, when pregnancy happens? Most of it is the fault of the blastocyst, '''especially''' if someone wants to claim that it is a Person-class organism!!! There is no evidence that it qualifies as such, though. '''SOME''' of the responsibility can be assigned to the participants of the sex act, since sex can, after all, increase the probability that pregnancy can occur. '''This is crucial.''' If the participants were '''entirely''' responsible, then huge consequences '''might''' legitimately be associated with it (e.g., "The pregnancy must be carried to term and the offspring must be raised to adulthood"). But since the sex-participants are in fact only partially responsible, lesser consequences can be associated with it (e.g., "Deal with it one way or another; it's '''your''' problem!").
	:Here is an analogy: Suppose you decided to walk near a marsh, and some mosquitoes flew out and tried to bite you. '''Must you let them?''' Surely you knew in advance, when you decided to take that walk, that the risk was there! However, since mosquitoes are independent organisms and are not Person-class, it is entirely acceptable to swat them. "How '''dare''' they desire to suck my blood!" This is actually a pretty good analogy, because a blastocyst is an independent organism, and is not Person-class, and its goal is to implant in a womb in order to suck blood. Therefore it should be entirely acceptable to swat/abort it! (Not to mention that if it is considered acceptable to execute a fully-Person-class fictional vampire for taking blood against the will of a potential donor, the "person-ness" of a blastocyst --or embryo, '''or''' fetus-- shouldn't matter in the slightest, if a woman wants an abortion!) ] (]) 18:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
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	:The point remains true that neither of you (nor any other pro-lifer) has any valid data showing how a "pro life" force-more-mouths-to-feed-to-be-born policy cannot cause a Malthusian Catastrophe in the long term, that it is not in the long term in-essence a "pro-genocide" policy that will cause the death of most of humanity, including most of those mouths that were forced to be born! Therefore, since Misplaced Pages wants an article title that can be appropriate for the long term, all of you should logically accept that "pro life" cannot be in that title. When will you folks learn that '''"too much of ''any'' good thing is always, ''ALWAYS'' a bad thing"'''? ] (]) 15:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
	::Your line of thinking is so bizarre that I find it impossible to argue with (not because it's correct, but because it's bizarre). You acknowledge that an unborn baby is a human being, yet you don't think it becomes a person until long after it's born, and you advocate the slaughter of those human beings because they are a burden to the world. ] (]) 21:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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User group for Military Historians

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"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Misplaced Pages. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Misplaced Pages Military Historians.

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The Bugle: Issue CXLI, January 2018

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April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive

G'day all, please be advised that throughout April 2018 the Military history Wikiproject is running its annual backlog elimination drive. This will focus on several key areas:

• tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
• adding or improving listed resources on Milhist's task force pages
• updating the open tasks template on Milhist's task force pages
• creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the scope of military history will be considered eligible. This year, the Military history project would like to extend a specific welcome to members of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Women in Red, and we would like to encourage all participants to consider working on helping to improve our coverage of women in the military. This is not the sole focus of the edit-a-thon, though, and there are aspects that hopefully will appeal to pretty much everyone.

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Ichthus April 2018

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April 2018

Project News
By Lionelt

Belated Happy Easter and Kalo Pascha! We're excited to announce the return of our newsletter Ichthus! Getting this issue out was touch-and-go for a while. Check out what's happening at the Project:

• There was a lively discussion about the Easter Did You Know nomination Christ the Lord is Risen Today
• RFC at Knights of Columbus regarding a question about having Prop 8 in the lead
• In anticipation of being nominated for Featured article, Presbyterian Church in the United States of America was put up for Peer Review by Ltwin
• The death of Billy Graham on February 21 was a profound loss for many. For the Misplaced Pages reaction see this discussion. Graham received a blurb.
• And... Order of Friars Minor--nominated by Chicbyaccident--is still waiting for a GA reviewer. Please help out if you can.

Achievements

Hedy Lamarr as Delilah

In March the Project saw four articles promoted to GA-Class. They were the oh-so-irresistible Delilah (nom. MagicatthemovieS) (pictured), Edict of Torda (nom. Borsoka), David Meade (author) (nom. LovelyGirl7) and last but not least Black Christmas (2006 film) (nom. Drown_Soda). Black Christmas? How did that get in there lol? Congratulations to all of the nominators for a job well done!

Did You Know
Nominated by The C of E

... that some people know Christ the Lord is risen today from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?"

Featured article
Nominated by FutureTrillionaire

Jesus (7–2 BC to 30–33 AD) is the central figure of Christianity, whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the Son of God and the awaited Messiah of the Old Testament. Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that a historical Jesus existed, although there is little agreement on the reliability of the gospel narratives and how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus. Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish preacher from Galilee, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilate. Christians generally believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin, performed miracles, founded the Church, died by crucifixion as a sacrifice to achieve atonement, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven, from which he will return. The great majority of Christians worship Jesus as the incarnation of God the Son, the second of three Persons of a Divine Trinity. A few Christian groups reject Trinitarianism, wholly or partly, as non-scriptural. In Islam, Jesus is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah. (Full article...)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018

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Ichthus: May 2018

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May 2018

Project News
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Last month's auspicious relaunch of our newsletter precipitated something of an uproar in the Misplaced Pages community. What started as a localized edit war over censorship spilled over onto the Administrator's Noticeboard finally ending up at Misplaced Pages's supreme judicial body ArbCom. Their ruling resulted in the admonishment of administrator Future Perfect at Sunrise for his involvement in the dispute. The story was reported by Misplaced Pages's venerable flagship newspaper The Signpost.

The question of whether to delete all portals--including the 27 Christianity-related portals--was put to the Misplaced Pages community. Approximately 400 editors have participated in the protracted discussion. Going by !votes, Oppose deletion has a distinct majority. The original Christianity Portal was created on November 5, 2005 by Brisvegas and the following year he successfully nominated the portal for Featured Portal. The Transhumanist has revived WikiProject Portals with hopes of revitalizing Misplaced Pages's system of 1,515 portals.

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Achievements

Four articles in the Project were promoted to GA: Edict of Torda nom. by Borsoka, Jim Bakker nom. by LovelyGirl7, Ralph Abernathy nom. by Coffee and Psalm 84 nom. by Gerda_Arendt. The Psalm ends with "O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee." Words to live by. Please support our members and send some WikiLove to the nominators!

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Operation Auca was an attempt by five Evangelical Christian missionaries from the United States to make contact with the Huaorani people of the rainforest of Ecuador. The Huaorani, also known as the Aucas, were an isolated tribe known for their violence, both against their own people and outsiders who entered their territory. With the intention of being the first Protestants to evangelize the Huaorani, the missionaries began making regular flights over Huaorani settlements in September 1955, dropping gifts. After several months of exchanging gifts, on January 2, 1956, the missionaries established a camp at "Palm Beach", a sandbar along the Curaray River, a few miles from Huaorani settlements. Their efforts culminated on January 8, 1956, when all five—Jim Elliot, Nate Saint, Ed McCully, Peter Fleming, and Roger Youderian—were attacked and speared by a group of Huaorani warriors. The news of their deaths was broadcast around the world, and Life magazine covered the event with a photo essay. The deaths of the men galvanized the missionary effort in the United States, sparking an outpouring of funding for evangelization efforts around the world. Their work is still frequently remembered in evangelical publications, and in 2006, was the subject of the film production End of the Spear. (more...)

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Nominated by Dahn

"... that, shortly after being sentenced to death for treason, Ioan C. Filitti became manager of the National Theatre Bucharest?"

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Ichthus June 2018

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June 2018

Project news
By Lionelt

Here are discussions relevant to the Project:

• Liberty University has an RFC regarding the university's relationship with President Trump; see discussion
• Is Genesis History? has an RFC regarding acceptability of movie reviews for inclusion; see discussion
• United States pro-life movement has a requested move to United States anti-abortion movement; see discussion

The following articles need reviewers for GA-class: Type of Constans nom. by Gog the Mild, Tian Feng (magazine) nom. by Finnusertop. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

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Did You Know
Nominated by Gonzonoir

... that in 1636, Phineas Hodson, Chancellor of York Minster, lost his 38-year-old wife Jane during the birth of the couple's 24th child?

Featured article
Nominated by Cliftonian

The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara

The Mortara case was a controversy precipitated by the Papal States' seizure of Edgardo Mortara, a six-year-old Jewish child, from his family in Bologna, Italy, in 1858. The city's inquisitor, Father Pier Feletti, heard from a servant that she had administered emergency baptism to the boy when he fell sick as an infant, and the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition held that this made the child irrevocably a Catholic. Because the Papal States had forbidden the raising of Christians by members of other faiths, it was ordered that he be taken from his family and brought up by the Church. After visits from the child's father, international protests mounted, but Pope Pius IX would not be moved. The boy grew up as a Catholic with the Pope as a substitute father, trained for the priesthood in Rome until 1870, and was ordained in France three years later. In 1870 the Kingdom of Italy captured Rome during the unification of Italy, ending the pontifical state; opposition across Italy, Europe and the United States over Mortara's treatment may have contributed to its downfall. (Full article...)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018

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The Right Stuff June 2018

June 2018
FROM THE EDITOR
The Right Stuff Returns

By Lionelt

Fellow members, I'm pleased to announce the return of the newsletter of WikiProject Conservatism. And considering the recent downsizing at The Signpost the timing could not be better. The Right Stuff will help keep you apprised of what's happening in conservatism at Misplaced Pages and in the world. The Right Stuff welcomes submissions including position pieces, instructional articles, or short essays addressing important conservatism-related issues. Post submissions here.

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ARBITRATION REPORT
Russian Agents Editing at American Politics?

By Lionelt

After a series of unfortunate events largely self-created, bureaucrat and admin Andrevan was the subject of an Arbitration case for conduct unbecoming. Prior to the case getting underway Andrevan resigned as bureaucrat and admin. A widely discussed incident was when he suggested that some editors he described as "pro-Trump" were paid Russian agents. This resulted in a number of editors from varied quarters denouncing the allegations and voicing support for veteran editors including Winkelvi and the notorious MONGO.

Editors who faced Enforcement action include SPECIFICO (no action), Factchecker atyourservice (three month topic ban ARBAPDS), Netoholic (no action) and Anythingyouwant (indef topic ban ARBAPDS). (Discuss this story) IN THE MEDIA
Breitbart Versus Misplaced Pages

By Lionelt

Breitbart News, in response to Facebook's decision to use Misplaced Pages as a source to fight fake news, has declared war on our beloved pedia. The article in Haaretz describes the Facebook arrangement as Misplaced Pages's "greatest test in years" as well as a "massive threat" to the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Breitbart's targeting of Misplaced Pages has resulted in an "epic battle" with respect to editing at the Breitbart article. The article has also recently experienced a dramatic increase in traffic with 50,000 visitors according to Haaretz. There is no love lost between Breitbart and Misplaced Pages where editors at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard have criticized the news websites unreliability and have compared it to The Daily Mail. (Discuss this story)

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DISCUSSION REPORT
Liberty and Trump and Avi, Oh my!

By Lionelt

President Donald Trump Speaks at Liberty University Commencement Ceremony There are several open discussions at the Project:

• There is an RFC regarding Liberty University and its relationship to President Trump; see discussion
• Activist and commentator Avi Yemini is listed at AFD; see discussion

Recently closed discussions include Anti-abortion movements which was not renamed, and an RFC at Trump–Russia dossier. (Discuss this story)

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Ichthus: July 2018

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July 2018

The Top 7 report
By Lionelt

The big news was the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. The Top 7 most popular articles in WikiProject Christianity were:

1. Elizabeth I of England – legendary monarch who ushered in the Elizabethan Era over the dead body of her half-sister (#5)
2. Henry VIII of England – on his deathbed the last words of the king who founded the English Reformation were "Monks! Monks! Monks!"
3. Martin Luther King Jr. – can't wait to see the new US$5 bill featuring the "I Have a Dream" speech
4. Seven deadly sins – surprisingly "original research" is not one of the Seven deadly sins
5. Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC)
6. Michael Curry (bishop) – our article says that he upstaged Meghan at her wedding. Did you see her wedding pictures? All I can say is {{dubious}}
7. Robert F. Kennedy – when informed that missiles were being installed in Cuba he famously quipped, "Can they hit Oxford, Mississippi?"

Did you know
Nominated by The C of E

... that the little-known 1758 Methodist hymn "Sun of Unclouded Righteousness" asks God to send the doctrine of the "Unitarian fiend ... back to hell", referring to both Islam and Unitarianism?

Our newest Featured list
Nominated by Freikorp

]The Last Judgment by painter Hans Memling.

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events. Predictions of apocalyptic events that would result in the extinction of humanity, a collapse of civilization, or the destruction of the planet have been made since at least the beginning of the Christian Era. Most predictions are related to Abrahamic religions, often standing for or similar to the eschatological events described in their scriptures. Christian predictions typically refer to events like the Rapture, Great Tribulation, Last Judgment, and the Second Coming of Christ.

Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages raging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. In the UK in 2015, the general public believed the likeliest cause would be nuclear war, while experts thought it would be artificial intelligence. Between one and three percent of people from both countries thought the apocalypse would be caused by zombies or alien invasion. (more...)

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The Right Stuff: July 2018

July 2018
DISCUSSION REPORT
WikiProject Conservatism Comes Under Fire

By Lionelt

WikiProject Conservatism was a topic of discussion at the Administrators' Noticeboard/Incident (AN/I). Objective3000 started a thread where he expressed concern regarding the number of RFC notices posted on the Discussion page suggesting that such notices "could result in swaying consensus by selective notification." Several editors participated in the relatively abbreviated six hour discussion. The assertion that the project is a "club for conservatives" was countered by editors listing examples of users who "profess no political persuasion." It was also noted that notification of WikiProjects regarding ongoing discussions is explicitly permitted by the WP:Canvassing guideline.

At one point the discussion segued to feedback about The Right Stuff. Member SPECIFICO wrote: "One thing I enjoy about the Conservatism Project is the handy newsletter that members receive on our talk pages." Atsme praised the newsletter as "first-class entertainment...BIGLY...first-class...nothing even comes close...it's amazing." Some good-natured sarcasm was offered with Objective3000 observing, "Well, they got the color right" and MrX's followup, "Wow. Yellow is the new red."

Admin Oshwah closed the thread with the result "definitely not an issue for ANI" and directing editors to the project Discussion page for any further discussion. Editor's note: originally the design and color of The Right Stuff was chosen to mimic an old, paper newspaper.

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ARTICLES REPORT
Margaret Thatcher Makes History Again

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Reprinted in part from the April 26, 2018 issue of The Signpost; written by Zarasophos

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Out of over one hundred questioned editors, only twenty-seven (27%) are happy with the way reports of conflicts between editors are handled on the Administrators' Incident Noticeboard (AN/I), according to a recent survey . The survey also found that dissatisfaction has varied reasons including "defensive cliques" and biased administrators as well as fear of a "boomerang effect" due to a lacking rule for scope on AN/I reports. The survey also included an analysis of available quantitative data about AN/I. Some notable takeaways:

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Nice to see you too, Bink. Do you really want to rehash stuff from nearly a decade ago? As I wrote on your page I did some volunteer work for them senior year of high school to bolster my college resume, was never paid, haven't had contact with anyone there since then, and have edited the article in the years since without anyone finding it necessary to ban me from editing the article. Instaurare (talk) 06:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

You've also declared that your brother works there. Mojoworker (talk) 22:23, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

We're still reaching pretty far back but I'll play along. Okay, I wasn't truthful in 2010 when I made that statement when I was 18 years old. (As I said I did stupid stuff early on and paid the price, and apparently still paying the price.) Wasn't my brother. I don't have any brothers, I'm an only child. I made it up trying to avoid some of the heat. Should've read WP:BROTHER first. I'm sorry. I'm sure this admission will be added to Binksternet's dossier on me and used as further evidence in the coordinated effort to topic ban me. But I am attempting to show good faith by that admission here. Instaurare (talk) 03:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

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lol so random xd omg

But seriously: it'd be a shame to see ya go Instaurare, so just in case that totally random IP waaas you, remember that intentionally logging out to edit is sock puppetry (and thats a hanging offence around these parts!). And if that IP wasn't you, then its good to know you've got folks on your side. And in either case, happy editing! Captain Eek 06:43, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you and Binksternet, but that IP is from New York and I live in Pennsylvania. I appreciate the insincere message though. Instaurare (talk) 23:09, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

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1. Louis XIV of France – a monarch of the House of Bourbon who reigned as King of France. He did say, "Every time I appoint someone to a vacant position, I make a hundred unhappy and one ungrateful."
2. Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC), Mary was found guilty of plotting to assassinate Elizabeth I of England in 1586, and was beheaded the following year.
3. Elizabeth I of England – The Virgin Queen, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House of Tudor who ushered in the Elizabethan Era, reversed re-establishment of Roman Catholicism by her half-sister.
4. Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.
5. Martin Luther King Jr. –" There are three urgent and indeed great problems that we face not only in the United States of America but all over the world today. That is the problem of racism, the problem of poverty and the problem of war."
6. Billy Ray Cyrus – Having released 12 studio albums and 44 singles since 1992, he is best known for his number one single "Achy Breaky Heart", which became the first single ever to achieve triple Platinum status in Australia.

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Saint Fin Barre's Cathedral, Cork, Ireland

Saint Fin Barre's Cathedral is a Gothic Revival three-spire cathedral in the city of Cork, Ireland. It belongs to the Church of Ireland and was completed in 1879. The cathedral is located on the south side of the River Lee, on ground that has been a place of worship since the 7th century, and is dedicated to Finbarr of Cork, patron saint of the city. It was once in the Diocese of Cork; it is now one of the three cathedrals in the Church of Ireland Diocese of Cork, Cloyne and Ross, in the ecclesiastical province of Dublin. Christian use of the site dates back to a 7th-century AD monastery, which according to legend was founded by Finbarr of Cork. The entrances contain the figures of over a dozen biblical figures, capped by a tympanum showing a Resurrection scene. (more...)

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1. Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.
2. Elena Cornaro Piscopia – was a Venetian philosopher of noble descent who in 1678 became one of the first women to receive an academic degree from a university, and the first to receive a Doctor of Philosophy degree. In 1669, she translated the Colloquy of Christ by Carthusian monk Lanspergius from Spanish into Italian.
3. Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC), Mary was found guilty of plotting to assassinate Elizabeth I of England in 1586, and was beheaded the following year.
4. Bob Dylan – American singer-songwriter, author, and visual artist. " Take care of all your memories. For you cannot relive them."
5. Elizabeth I of England – The Virgin Queen, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House of Tudor who ushered in the Elizabethan Era, reversed re-establishment of Roman Catholicism by her half-sister.
6. Billy Ray Cyrus – Having released 12 studio albums and 44 singles since 1992, he is best known for his number one single "Achy Breaky Heart", which became the first single ever to achieve triple Platinum status in Australia.

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Eric and Leslie Ludy were 21 and 16 respectively when they first met, English professors suggest that older singles are unlikely to gather hope from their story.

When God Writes Your Love Story: The Ultimate Approach to Guy/Girl Relationships is a 1999 book by Eric and Leslie Ludy, an American married couple. After becoming a bestseller on the Christian book market, the book was republished in 2004 and then revised and expanded in 2009. It tells the story of the authors' first meeting, courtship, and marriage. The authors advise single people not to be physically or emotionally intimate with others, but to wait for the spouse that God has planned for them.

The book is divided into five sections and sixteen chapters. Each chapter is written from the perspective of one of the two authors; nine are by Eric, while Leslie wrote seven, as well as the introduction. The Ludys argue that one's love life should be both guided by and subordinate to one's relationship with God. Leslie writes that God offers new beginnings to formerly unchaste or sexually abused individuals. (more...)

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The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019

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1. Dolly Parton - an American singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer, actress, author, businesswoman, and humanitarian, known primarily for her work in country music. Quotations related to Dolly Parton at Wikiquote: " I just depend on a lot of prayer and meditation. I believe that without God I am nobody, but that with God, I can do anything."
2. Harriet Tubman - an American abolitionist and political activist. Born into slavery, she escaped and made some missions to rescue enslaved people, using the network of antislavery activists and Underground Railroads. During the American Civil War, she served as an armed scout, spy for the Union Army.
3. Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.

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• ... that St. Charles College in Louisiana was the first Jesuit college established in the southern United States?
• ... that the ancient Jewish text of Perek Shirah asserts that spiders and rats praise God using verses from Psalm 150?

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Being a Ghost Story of Christmas, commonly known as A Christmas Carol, is a novella by Charles Dickens, first published in London by Chapman & Hall in 1843 and illustrated by John Leech. The book is divided into five chapters, which Dickens titled "staves". A Christmas Carol recounts the story of Ebenezer Scrooge, an elderly miser who is visited by the ghost of his former business partner Jacob Marley and the spirits of Christmas Past, Present and Yet to Come. After their visits, Scrooge is transformed into a kinder, gentler man. (more...)

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Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another.

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The Bugle: Issue CLXIV, December 2019

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1. Pope Benedict XVI – retired prelate of the Catholic Church who served as head of the Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State from 2005 until his resignation.
2. Pope Francis – the head of the Catholic Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State. Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from the Americas, the first from the Southern Hemisphere, and the first pope from outside Europe since the Syrian Gregory III, who reigned in the 8th century.
3. Dolly Parton – an American singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer, actress, author, businesswoman, and humanitarian, known primarily for her work in country music. Quotations related to Dolly Parton at Wikiquote: "I just depend on a lot of prayer and meditation. I believe that without God I am nobody, but that with God, I can do anything."

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• ...that the All Saints Church, Henley Brook, the oldest church in Western Australia, held its first service almost eight years before it was consecrated?
• ...that the Golden Madonna of Essen is the oldest preserved sculpture of the Virgin Mary?
• ...that the parish church of James Parkinson, after whom Parkinson's disease is named, was St Leonard's, Shoreditch, a church just outside the City of London and most famous for being one of the churches mentioned in the nursery rhyme "Oranges and Lemons"?
• ...that the Grand Chartophylax was considered the right arm of the Patriarch of Constantinople?

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A Song for Simeon, is a 37-line poem written in 1928 by American-English poet T. S. Eliot (1888–1965). It is one of five poems that Eliot contributed to the Ariel poems series of 38 pamphlets by several authors published by Faber and Gwyer. "A Song for Simeon" was the sixteenth in the series and included an illustration by avant garde artist Edward McKnight Kauffer. The poem's narrative echoes the text of the Nunc dimittis, a liturgical prayer for Compline from the Gospel passage. Eliot introduces literary allusions to earlier writers Lancelot Andrewes, Dante Alighieri and St. John of the Cross. Critics have debated whether Eliot's depiction of Simeon is a negative portrayal of a Jewish figure and evidence of anti-Semitism on Eliot's part. (more...)

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May He grant you according to your heart’s desire, And fulfill all your purpose.

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@Bishonen: I'll leave it to Bishonen to decide, but I have a feeling that this recent edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sound_of_Freedom_(film)&diff=prev&oldid=1161377464 may have been a violation of your topic ban on post-1932 American politics, since QAnon is partially a political movement. Caviezel and Tim Ballard are also quite actively outspoken on political matters. Fred Zepelin (talk) 21:40, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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I have moved down Fred Zepelin's post here, to make it easier to find. Thank you, Fred Zepelin. Instaurare, your removal of a substantial and highly political portion of Sound of Freedom (film) certainly does violate your community topic ban from American politics; a ban which you have never appealed, as far as I can see. However, taking a look at your contributions, I note that you have otherwise been careful to stay away from the topics you were banned from in 2019. For that reason, and considering the amount of time that has elapsed, I am merely warning you this time. Make no mistake, though: it was an egregious violation, and if it happens again, you will receive escalating blocks. Bishonen | tålk 05:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC).

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Hi Instaurare, you are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Sound of Freedom (film) § Reaching a consensus on the "Accuracy" section. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:18, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

You really need to respond there and explain your WP:SYNTH concern in detail. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:24, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually, no. I hadn't seen that this is a topic ban violation as described above by Bishonen and Fred Zepelin. I retract the discussion invitation. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 217, May 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 218, June 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 219, July 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 220, August 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 222, October 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 223, November 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 224, December 2024

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