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== Trinetix draft ==
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Thank you for reviewing our draft. Could you please clarify which sections or elements need improvement to align with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines? We’re committed to ensuring the content is neutral, verifiable, and meets Misplaced Pages’s standards.
Thanks for your . The user has now returned with a sock, ]. I started an ], but since this is such an obvious ] I thought you might be willing to take quicker action. Best regards. --] (]) 05:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
{{Done}} A duck indeed. ] (]) 09:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
: Sadly, he . --] (]) 09:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


Your guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ] (]) 13:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
== Why did you delete ]? ==


:{{tpw}} {{yo| LemmaMe}} I'm afraid accounts are not to be shared. Please see ]. Thanks, ] (]) 14:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
You deleted the page as an implausible redirect but it wasn't a redirect at all. I tried to look for a cached version on Google but could only get the tiny blurb you see in the search menu. All I could notice was that the article was PRODed. In the instance of a PROD it shouldn't have been deleted until the 4th and the other problem was that the author was never notified.<tt> </tt>] ] ] 12:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:Yes it was a redirect, left over after the original article had been moved to ]. ] (]) 12:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC) ::I'm guessing "we" is their company, they declared a COI(though not PAID as they probably need to). ] (]) 14:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks for noticing. It's my own account and I revealed a conflict of interests in my account, it's a routine habit to use "we" at work, so sorry for the typo. ] (]) 20:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::Ok, thanks. I just found it and came to tell you.<tt> </tt>] ] ] 12:53, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Maybe someday they will make it so you can still view edit summary information. <tt> </tt>] ] ] 12:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is often inconvenient not being able to see what the history of an article was before its deletion. However, if you look you will see two log entries: the second one is my deletion, and the first one tells you about the earlier move of the article. So the information is available, even though not very obvious. ] (]) 12:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::Ahh, I should've checked. I think I cam here as soon as I saw that it was deleted as a redirect. Logic should have told me that the article had been previously moved. <tt> </tt>] ] ] 12:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


: {{ping|LemmaMe}} It's not a question of some "sections or elements", it's a question of the whole tone and character of the draft, from start to finish. In this situation I used to try to pick out a few examples of promotional phrasing, to illustrate the point, but I found that never worked, as the person in question always took the examples I quoted as being the bits which needed changing, not as illustrative examples of the general character of the writing. Eventually, following discussions with some relevant people, I came to realise that people who work in marketing/advertising/PR get so used to reading and writing promotional material day after day, year after year, that they become desensitised to it, and honestly cannot see the promotional tone in writing which looks promotional to other people. I suggest that you reread what you wrote, looking for anything in the wording which might look like marketing language. If you can see it, great, but if you can't, then I honestly don't think that I can convey it to you. ] (]) 20:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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::Hi! Thank you for the reply. I understand you and will prepare a new draft in a neutral tone. Appreciate your help. ] (]) 20:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi. Please tell me why you deleted ]. Thanks, '''''] ]''''' 19:06, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:Can this even be speedy deleted since it is a contested PROD?<tt> </tt>] ] ] 22:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:I deleted it, as the deletion log showed, because it duplicated an existing topic. There is already a much more complete list of insurance topics in another article. Contested PROD? Well, the PROD reason was that it was an unnecessary disambig page, but the reason given for removing the PROD was "removing PROD, this is now a list not a disambiguation page". My reading of that is that the PROD was removed because it did not apply to the current version of the page {in effect it was a deletion proposal for a different article) rather than that you thought the version of the page which was current when you removed the PROD should not be deleted. If you do want to contest the deletion then let me know, and I will undelete the article. However, I will then immediately take it to AfD, as it is clearly totally redundant as a duplication of an existing topic. My opinion is that leaving it as it is will save time and trouble and almost certainly produce the same end result. ] (]) 08:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


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:I didn't cite notability concerns: Tracer9999, who proposed the deletion, did so. However, there is no doubt whatsoever that the deleted article did not establish notability, lacking any references at all to reliable independent sources. ] (]) 09:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
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:I was just informed that the template in question is one standardly used. I'm in the middle of watching the World Championships, so I can't do much more now, but I now have a better understanding of why this template was used. I'll engage in a discussion about the general use when the game is over.--<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">]]</font> 23:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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I have recently finished a good article review for ] and in light of complete dissatisfaction with the article shown by ] I would like to ask you to view the review ]. Please note that this is an informal request for comment not a formal request for second opinion.<tt> </tt>] ] ] 05:05, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hi there. You semi-protected the ] article, which is good, however you left the of the vandalising IP editor on the same page. S/he adamantly writes nonsense into the image caption field of the infobox: "''Seal with Rich Alderwick in Frankfurt, Germany (2006), performing at the "concert against Amsaim"."'' Concert against Amsaim? What kind of nonsense is that? This is not edit warring/content dispute but blatant vandalism. I have thusly removed this disruptive edit. Thank you. ] (]) 10:54, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
:You are quite right. I didn't notice that the name "Amsaim" in the edits was the same as the name of another editor who had edited the article. Thanks for pointing it out. ] (]) 10:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)


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Hi James - ] is on my watchlist and I just noticed the same vandalism there and just for the record - I am the photographer who took the Lionel Richie image and updated his info box with a 2011 picture of Lionel. I was present at this live performance - I do not know who Rich Alderwick is, but he was never on stage with Lionel Richie.
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Trinetix draft

Thank you for reviewing our draft. Could you please clarify which sections or elements need improvement to align with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines? We’re committed to ensuring the content is neutral, verifiable, and meets Misplaced Pages’s standards.

Your guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. LemmaMe (talk) 13:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @LemmaMe: I'm afraid accounts are not to be shared. Please see WP:NOSHARE. Thanks, -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm guessing "we" is their company, they declared a COI(though not PAID as they probably need to). 331dot (talk) 14:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing. It's my own account and I revealed a conflict of interests in my account, it's a routine habit to use "we" at work, so sorry for the typo. LemmaMe (talk) 20:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
@LemmaMe: It's not a question of some "sections or elements", it's a question of the whole tone and character of the draft, from start to finish. In this situation I used to try to pick out a few examples of promotional phrasing, to illustrate the point, but I found that never worked, as the person in question always took the examples I quoted as being the bits which needed changing, not as illustrative examples of the general character of the writing. Eventually, following discussions with some relevant people, I came to realise that people who work in marketing/advertising/PR get so used to reading and writing promotional material day after day, year after year, that they become desensitised to it, and honestly cannot see the promotional tone in writing which looks promotional to other people. I suggest that you reread what you wrote, looking for anything in the wording which might look like marketing language. If you can see it, great, but if you can't, then I honestly don't think that I can convey it to you. JBW (talk) 20:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi! Thank you for the reply. I understand you and will prepare a new draft in a neutral tone. Appreciate your help. LemmaMe (talk) 20:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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