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| Thanks for your advice. I appreciate it really. However, I think that if you do read it you will notice that 17% IS out of the hate crimes in 2009 which are 7,775. | |||
| If you believe you have sufficient evidence, you should file a report at ]. I can't do it by e-mail.--] (]) 16:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Here is what the website says: 7,775 offenses total for hate crimes in 2009. | |||
| == Religion in the United States pie chart == | |||
| The website says "Law enforcement agencies reported 1,376 hate crimes motivated by religious bias." | |||
| May you add this more recent and more specific than the Gallup data since it shows that 40% of America is Protestant. | |||
| 1,376 / 7,775 = .1769 which is '''17.7%'''. | |||
| https://www.prri.org/research/census-2023-american-religion/ ] (]) 16:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| Greetings. I wanted to know what was the main complaint on my edit. You claimed that I was making new research, when I have just regurgitated the sources themselves. The only plausible objection that I see is my assertion that most violence in America is indeed secular since the FBI tables show that very few people commit crimes based on religious beliefs. {{unsigned:Ramos1990}} | |||
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| :Hi, thank you for asking. You need to find a reliable source that says such. The FBI tables show that over 17% are religiously motivated. That's contrary to what you wrote. You can start working on some additions in your userspace, and I will see if I can help you - but you should read up on things like ] and ] to see what things you cannot add to articles. Best, <span style="border:1px solid #100;padding:1px;"><small>] </small>|<small> <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small></span> 00:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::Hi, please remember to put your responses after mine, and I'll put mine after yours, etc. OK, here's the problem. Your original research/synthesis is in thinking that the hate crime numbers have anything to do with other crimes. There are many crimes that are not deemed (by the law) hate crimes that may be caused by similar reasons. So, the stats simply can't be cross-applied to come up with the original research you did. You'd have to know, of all crimes, what the stats were for religiously motivated ones - which I do not see. '''You''' cannot extrapolate. '''We''' can only allow an expert that we can cite do that. Best <span style="border:1px solid #100;padding:1px;"><small>] </small>|<small> <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small></span> 01:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Ok I see your point. I will exclude this part. | |||
| How about the rest of the stuff I put in? These rest was sociological data on the religious beliefs of atheists from the first world wide study on atheists from all over the world. | |||
| Can I add this? Or do you see a problem. {{unsigned|Ramos1990}} | |||
| {{od}}Hi, it's a pretty extensive section. Perhaps what you want to do is post a message on that article's ] and ask everyone who works on that article for their opinions and suggestions. Also, that way you can join into the discussions on that page. Also, remember when you make a post on a talk page to sign your posts. You can do that really easily simply by putting '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''' at the end of your posts and it will automagically be turned into your signature. Best, <span style="border:1px solid #100;padding:1px;"><small>] </small>|<small> <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small></span> 02:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Hey Ornithikos thanks sooo much for your suggestions!! I am very grateful for your recommendations! Thanks also to RoberMfromLi!! I will try to introduce the newest research on atheism in the "talk atheism" section you recommended! Both of you are very good at allowing people into wikipedia. I really am humbled by it. Ornithikos, yeah, it seems wikipedia is really about passions firing at each other constantly especially with matters of religion. The removals of valuable information here are worse than for peer reviewed scientific research. | |||
| ::::::I should know since I published a research paper in the "Journal of Chemical Physics" last year. Oh well... we'll see if wikipedia is a decent place to contribute data on. | |||
| ::::::Thank you both once more | |||
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| I thought I might be able to say something useful about why people reverted most of your changes to those pages, even though the changes contained reasonable information. One problem is that the pages, and all others in their general category, are elaborate compromises that arose from actual years of people arguing back and forth about every conceivable alternative, based on every conceivable perspective, working towards every conceivable goal. The current state is therefore such a precarious balance between multiple irreconcilable passions that almost any significant change will constitute a step backwards to one faction or another. | |||
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| :Hey Ornithikos thanks sooo much for your suggestions!! I am very grateful for your recommendations! Thanks also to RoberMfromLi!! I will try to introduce the newest research on atheism in the "talk atheism" section you recommended! Both of you are very good at allowing people into wikipedia. I really am humbled by it. Ornithikos, yeah, it seems wikipedia is really about passions firing at each other constantly especially with matters of religion. The removals of valuable information here are worse than for peer reviewed scientific research. | |||
| :I should know since I published a research paper in the "Journal of Chemical Physics" last year. Oh well... we'll see if wikipedia is a decent place to contribute data on. | |||
| :Thank you both once more | |||
| : ] (]) 02:56, 18 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Any time. Also, keep in mind, the stronger your references, and the closer you stay towards saying only what they said, the easier it is to get content into an article without going though a long battle. I'll join you on the article talk page and help out as I can. Best, <span style="border:1px solid #100;padding:1px;"><small>] </small>|<small> <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small></span> 03:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::Appreciate your support and agree with you completely on sticking literally close to the sources and what they say for acceptance. I submitted my suggestion on the talks atheism page you suggested. I guess now I wait. ] (]) 05:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
| {{od}}Awesome! (and thank you). I regularly keep an eye on that page, so I'll chime in if it seems appropriate. Best, <span style="border:1px solid #100;padding:1px;"><small>] </small>|<small> <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small></span> 05:26, 18 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
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