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| ''No complex project can be expected to yield satisfactory results without a clear vision of what the goal is – and here I mean what a worthy internet encyclopedia actually looks like – and a plan to reach that goal, which will include a careful inventory of the needed skills and knowledge and some meaningful measures of progress. That vision of the goal must do something that Misplaced Pages and Wikipedians steadfastly decline to do today, and that is '''to consider seriously the user, the reader.''' What is the user meant to take away from the experience of consulting a Misplaced Pages article? The most candid defenders of the encyclopedia today confess that it cannot be trusted to impart correct information but can serve as a starting-point for research. By this they seem to mean that it supplies some links and some useful search terms to plug into Google. This is not much. It is a great shame that some excellent work – and there is some – is rendered suspect both by the ideologically required openness of the process and by association with much distinctly not excellent work that is accorded equal standing by that same ideology. One simple fact that must be accepted as the basis for any intellectual work is that truth – whatever definition of that word you may subscribe to – is not democratically determined. And another is that talent, whether for soccer or for exposition, is not equally distributed across the population, while a robust confidence is one's own views apparently is. If there is a systemic bias in Misplaced Pages, it is to have ignored so far these inescapable facts.'' ] taken from ] | |||
| == Shapiro Frankfurt School chart == | |||
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| I think you probably figured the matter out, since you removed your own comment from the Frankfurt School talk page. In brief: Jeremy Shapiro made a nice chart about interrelationships among Frankfurt School thinkers (and precursers, etc). An editor on the talk page felt it was undesirable to have a little blurb about "Created by J.Shapiro" within the graphic itself. I generally concur, but more important Jeremy Shapiro also concurred. So I edited the graphic itself, and uploaded a revised version. You partially need to look at the history/comments on the chart, not on the Frankfurt School page to figure out the change. | |||
| ''']''' | |||
| == Hey == | |||
| More recently--a day or two ago--someone took the entire chart out for some reason. I think it was an anon, and no real explanation was given. So I put it back in. Maybe my comment about removing the "created by" blurb was irrelevant; I had speculated that prior discussion might have been the reason the editor removed the whole chart. But who knows, maybe the latest removal was wholly unrelated to that. In any case, the chart is useful, as I commented (I might tweak it in a couple ways if I were to spend a lot of work, but certainly it is better to have than not have). ] 23:26, 25 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| It's *very* nice to see your name again. :) ] <small><sup>]]</sup></small> 22:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Cold War == | |||
| :It is nice to see you. I won't quibble about whether ''172'' is a ''name'', exactly. >-; | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Yes, I'm familiar with that user. He is in the habit of using many usernames, and has begun using many IP addresses as well. I've blocked indefinitely some of the obvious sock puppets. If you can figure out if there has been a violation of abuse of the 3RR then I'll block the IPs involved for 24 hours. -] 04:12, 29 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| welcome back! Look, you need to read the article ] and ''all'' the talk on the talk page to understand where the opposition to your edits is coming from. I am not sure I agree with them, but they are actingin good faith and you better understand why and appreciate that fact. ] | ] 10:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *I have reverted page ] to its former use as a disambig page. See previous discussion in ]. If you want that decision to be re-discussed, I will start another formal move request discussion. ] (]) 12:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| How about changing the name of "Sovereign state" to "State (political)?" At least then we would be following the conventions of actual political anthropologists and political sociologists. ] | ] 16:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Okay, I think the best solution is to merge the current article with a better one. Any merge will atract some controversy, the solution is to make the destination page (the new article) so clearly superior. My advice to you is to solicit a partnership with JohnK. Discuss what kind of ] would do justice to the title. I have very little to offer and I will offer all of it in a subpage to my userpage, just hang on. Anyway, create a subpage to your user page and work on a ''superior'' article, I really urge doing this hand in hand with John K. Make sure it complies to the letter with NPOV, NOR and V, and make sure that it is well-written and scholarly. Then propose the merge and pray that people see the logic in merging an inferior article into a superior article. ] | ] 18:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Also, you can probably assume that any new user who you are not familiar with on ] is some variation of this user. Checking through this guy's edits he is more prolific, and uses more names, than I had realized. Fortunately, most of his edits are good but when they aren't his use of multiple identities becomes problematic. -] 04:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::See ]. It's a general alert to the community to try to guide this prolific editor away from the dark side. -] 07:33, 6 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Okay, this is the best I can offer you and I need to take a break:]. | |||
| ==Administrator nomination== | |||
| Thanks so much for the encouragement 172. Although I have now decided to decline the nomination, it won't affect my helping around on Misplaced Pages. :-D — ]] 17:33, 29 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks so much. :-) — ]] 20:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| My advice is to mull over this a few days and perhaps discuss it with John Kenney, I ask only that each of you think about it for a few days before any action. Then go ahead and make whatever changes you wish to the outline, and start writing. When he two of youhave an article you are both poud of I will comment on it. When it is clearly far superior, we for a merge. ] | ] 19:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| If I may refer to your statement "Too often a lot of people who follow the admin nomination page like making a big deal out of nothing, though" from ], and if I interpret it correctly, I do have to remind you that an ] is someone entrusted to exercise powers in reflecting communicty concensus, and is not a small deal. Therefore, nominations for and votes for admins is a solemn process which is by no means a small deal either. If the process has been given its due respect from the beginning, I would think the above chain of events would not have occured. If this may be a reminder, good works accorded to wikipedia is always welcome, but as it is so in the real world, all it takes is one fault, and all shall go to waste. That is a fact of life.--] 16:49, 30 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Content dispute of Russian Constitutional Crisis of 1993 == | |||
| ==Talk:172/Talk block 15== | |||
| Should ] be moved to ] instead? ] is the talk page of ], the year in the first century. — ]] 17:33, 29 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes it should. Opps! You're more on top of things than I am. ] | ] 20:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :: :-D — ]] 20:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Hlleo, I just wanted to inform you of the discussion posted at Misplaced Pages's noticeboard regarding the edits you and ] have disputed. ] where you may wish to submit your opinion and reasoning to counter Miacek's argument. During this dispute, it would benefit both of you not to edit the disputed article so as to keep your names in the clear. -- ''']''' ] ] 19:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| ==File:BigStick.jpg== | |||
| Hi 172: Since you just wrote me (and thank you so much for the kind words), I guess I'll ask a slight favor of you. For reasons mysterious, an editor seems to have created an account just to vandalize, or at least weirdly edit, the page about me (in my non-WP identity). Given the autobiography rule, I don't want to get into a revert war over that; but could you maybe take a glance at the page (and it's talk page). Thanks. | |||
| Hi. Might you be able to add some info (eg description, date, source, anything else useful) to ] which you uploaded years ago? Thanks much. Cheers, -- ] (]) 03:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == FYI == | |||
| Acually, Jeremy Shapiro definitely deserves a WP page much more than I do; you may have seen I offered to write one on his talk page, but was waiting for him to send a few references. Maybe I'll go ahead and do that anyway; obviously whatever I included wouldn't be private info. But I figured he'd have more ready pointers. ] 21:03, 29 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I thnk someone with your understanding of politics ought to participate in this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Advisory_Council_on_Project_Development . ] | ] 13:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| === To my fellow bristly editor :-) === | |||
| I seem to have made some enemies at WP. I know I have a failing in being overly gruff (which perhaps you share *wink*). Anyway, for reasons I think are not well-founded, there is an AfD on my non-WP persona: ]. Certainly, I'm not so notable as our friend Jeremy Shapiro, whom I still haven't gotten around to writing about (but I did create one on my colleague ] recently). Perhaps you'd like to opine at that vote. ] 19:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == File:Ukraineworkersb041126.jpg listed for deletion == | |||
| ==Category:Totalitarian dictators== | |||
| An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, ], has been listed at ]. Please see the ] to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}} <!-- Template:Idw --> ] (]) 20:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Admins have a fair bit of latitude in deciding when there is consensus. I would suggest waiting a bit and then renominating it, and hope that a second opinion gets a different result. - ] 22:08, 1 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Welcome back == | |||
| :It also appears that you added the CfD tag, but did not create an entry in the CfD/Log list for today (the old vote still exists, but this should be a different one). However, I agree with SimonP that you should wait a while. Yeah, it's a terrible category; but if something stupid exists on WP for a week or two (or three), it won't kill us. After the initial vote has settled a bit, then would be a better time to renominate. ] 23:22, 1 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I do hope you find the material I left for you useful. | |||
| Yes - I saw what was going on from your edit summaries at a bunch of different pages on my watchlist. I then took a look at the discussion. I'm not sure what is to be done, since the CfD "failed." I suppose there's no rule that says we can't keep the category empty, though. ] ] 23:55, 1 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| On another note: I am leaving this message at talkpages a fairly random sample of people who oftn edit policy pages. You care about good content, and policies, so perhaps you can make a constructive contribution here: ]? I created this project after an acrimoneous RfC. So far it seems to be working as a way to channel constructive an focused analysis of specific problems, and potential solutions. Few have your commitment to a great enxyxlopedia, and experience with the various challenges in sustaining an ongoing open collaboration. I really hope you will "watch" this and pick one or teo areas near and dear to your heart to try to work on. ] | ] | |||
| ==Kissinger proposed changes== | |||
| hey not to keep bugging you about this kinda stuff but if you have time to check out my sandbox changes on that page's talk that'd be awesome. as well as ] which was a while back. if not that's cool too. thanks ] 23:57, 1 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == the state == | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hey, did you ever read over the material I laid out for you - content as well as ideas for organization of an article? Any feedback? ] | ] 17:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| 'nuf said. | |||
| == Indefinitely blocked == | |||
| == ] == | |||
| ] evidence has shown that you are the same person as ], who has been banned since 2006. As a result, you have been blocked indefinitely. If you wish to appeal this block, please email the Arbitration Committee at {{NoSpamEmail|arbcom-l|lists.wikimedia.org}}. ] <sup>(]/]/])</sup> 23:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Hi 172, notcied your a bit of an expert on Russian History. Could you take at look at the article about the Russian Constituent Assembly. Its bit of a mess now (half my fault!). Me and Ultramarine are disputing each others references to the point where 2 versions of history appear below the main article! | |||
| :This is absolutely ridiculous. 172, who was a Misplaced Pages administrator whose account goes back to before Misplaced Pages was 2 years old, had written much of Misplaced Pages's historical content in its earlier years. He was also involved in blocking pro-LaRouche editors. Cognition, a very pro-LaRouche nutter, is a banned user, whose point of view contrasts with 172's. This is impossible. -J ] (]) 04:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| ::See discussion ]. ] <small><sup>]]</sup></small> 04:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks spoken :) == | |||
| :::It is my belief that the account is compromised, because this seems impossible. If they are the same person, then Cognition would be a sockpuppet of 172, right? And why would 172 create that account anyway? So that he can have someone to paint LaRouche followers as lunatics? What? | |||
| Thanks for your thanks!! I am glad if it worked for now. I've had the same problem but never had the ''guts'' (or brains :) to move the boxes, so Thanks to you! - ] ] 02:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::Also, I use an IP address which is used by many computers as well. My ISP provides residential ''and'' public computer services at casinos, and it uses the same IP address. Could this be the case? Because the majority of contributions listed as made by this IP address are not mine... -J ] (]) 05:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| ::::I suspect we'll find either that 172's account was compromised, or that the accounts in question were using public computers, though CU indicates otherwise. A number of people are looking into this, so I'm sure it'll get sorted. ] <small><sup>]]</sup></small> 06:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Perhaps, 172, you could write the missing ] article on WP, so that we can see what this fraemework he proposes is. I confess I don't know his work, since my doctorate is in social/political philosophy rather than political science or sociology (not that I don't sometimes read outside my field, but there are a lot of books in the world). I know you've referred to Linz at several points | |||
| in the discussion of that awful category, but whatever analytic precision Linz may (or may not) have, it's not available to most Wikipedians. ] 18:30, 2 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Check user is not infallible. "A number of people" who believe this are not considering the potential for errors with the system. -J. ] (]) 07:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| *A point: | |||
| Glad to see you back. I'd appreciate comments on this article, I think it is close to FA status (just needs a map). I'd especially appreciate your input on the 'Modern legacy' section - I expected it would stirr up a heated discussions, but even after I asked for input on Russian noticeboard nobody seemed to mind it. --] <sup>]</sup> 19:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| **http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&target=Cognition says that Cognition's first edit is 01:27, 29 June 2005 ] | |||
| :Nice work. You know a lot more than I do on this topic, as I'm not an expert on cultural history, 17th century history, or Poland... I'll vote to support in the next couple of days. The "modern legacy" offers a good overview of the legacy of the war in cultural history; but I'd add paragraph or two on the implications of the balance of power issues settled in the war on the modern development of Eastern Europe. I'll try to write this myself, since this is the literature on the war that touches on what I work on. ] | ] 07:46, 6 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| **http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&target=172 says that 172's first edit is 09:46, 23 December 2002 ] | |||
| ***I do not see how ] can have created ] as a sockpuppet. ] (]) 08:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ****True. But 172, an anti-Lyndon LaRouche editor, could have created Cognition as a pro-LaRouche stalking horse in order to discredit other editors with similar points of view. Whatever the case, they edit from two IPs, one of which is obviously shared with a number of unrelated editors, and one of which appears by every available test to be a residence. Even if this IP really is shared as well, be aware that there are at least 4 accounts involved, not just Cognition and 172, and consider whether it is likely Cognition, 172, Mrs. Breedlove and Tha-HGIsrqNA would all, ''just by coincidence'', 1) work at the same employer, 2) frequent the same coffee shop or library, and 3) never edit from their own residence. Also, check the times of day that the accounts edit; is it plausible that none of these accounts has a home internet connection and every edit made by these 4 accounts is made from a workplace or public access point? Whatever the case, either the account has been engaged in long term deception, or Cognition hacked into 172's account, or 172 hacked into Cognition's account. Either way, indefinite blocking is appropriate pending a satisfactory explanation, if it ever comes. ] 12:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Odd that I forgot it last year, but it is known that when 172 started in ] (and you probably know this, too), he was an ] client with the IP addresses from the 172. ... block, hence his username of course (he listed ).<br> If the addresses ascertained in August, ] (User:172, Cognition and co) where still of of the same block of AOL, the sock puppetry accusation would seem more plausible. If the provider had changed, we might consider that the account was hijacked by Cognition. <small>(I noticed today an edit by an AOL user to an article in my watchlist, and this remined me of the 172 affair).</small> ] ] 15:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Please contact ArbCom == | |||
| == ] == | |||
| To clarify: this account has been blocked pending confirmation that this account has not been compromised and is not otherwise involved in abusive editing. User:172 should contact {{nospam|arbcom-l|lists.wikimedia.org}} at earliest possible convenience. ] '']'' 23:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I wonder if that thing is still active, or that it was just a good idea of the moment, and that it just was left ignored? I've learned it from your Arbitrator candidature(and I agree with everything you said there BTW). I had many ideas on that direction, about the standardization of the way of citing sources, the way articles should be written and partial protection of featured articles etc. Regards. ] 21:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== A Conspiracy == | ||
| I am a long-time watcher of Misplaced Pages and other Wikis and I look at this case with great interest. Particularly users of extremist viewpoints are ones I have monitored most closely. What I will note is that some are saying this case of dual identity is unrealistic because they see Marxism and the ideology of Lyndon LaRouche as somehow polar opposites. Obviously this is not the case; for the first decades of his career in politics LaRouche was a Marxist if an unorthodox one, and during the period in which he shed the Marxist jargon the content of his ideas went nearly unchanged. We can note that LaRouche has in recent years attacked Karl Marx himself in somewhat severe terms as a British dupe (albeit possibly a well-intentioned one), but LaRouche has always from the 1970s until even recent weeks exalted the writings of Marxist Rosa Luxemburg in the highest possible terms: | |||
| Hi. Each of the current candidates in the Arbitration Committee election now has a subpage for people to ask questions and have a discussion with the candidate. It's linked to below your statement on the ] page. Hopefully, this format will be more productive and less disruptive than the "endorsements/disendorsements" approach that caused so many problems last year. | |||
| http://www.larouchepac.com/node/11296 | |||
| LaRouche as an economist begins from a Marxist perspective, but unlike the Marxists does not imagine finance capital as merely being confined to a historical process. Rosa Luxemburg's writings surpass and supplant those of V.I. Lenin on the topic of imperialism through her understanding that capital can only thrive through constant exploitation of "primitive" pre-industrial economies and the steady surplus advantage this provides the exploiters. Luxemburg however posits that during this process of exploitation, these "primitive" economies themselves industrialize (a process we have seen occur in the cases of China and India), leaving the entire world in the mode of industrial production, upsetting the prior power balance whereby imperialism could occur, and effectively ending it. Luxemburg may be forgiven for not understanding that the forces of the accumulation of capital themselves could look ahead through this process and attempt to thwart it so that their advantage may be maintained. | |||
| I took the liberty of copying your candidate statement unaltered to your subpage. Feel free to elaborate on it at whatever length you wish, without the concern of space restrictions as on the main candidate page. I encourage you to put your subpage on your watchlist and discuss arbitration issues with the community as part of your campaign. --] 04:02, 7 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| LaRouche, for all of his faults which clearly are a great many, is the only economist starting from the perspective of Rosa Luxemburg who understands the process through which imperialism may continue to prosper through thwarting and even reversing industrial progress itself, a progress which Luxemburg assumed could only steadily advance over time. Certainly we can note that various policies taken against the nations of sub-Saharan Africa have prevented the development of even basic industrial infrastructure in that region; conversely we can note that the United States and Britain have themselves largely de-industrialized. The United States presently has a smaller manufacturing sector than it did 65 years ago when its population was a third of its present size. Largely but not entirely this has occurred through the impositions of phoney environmentalist movements, some of which (like the World Wildlife Fund) are not terribly subtle about the British imperial role they play. | |||
| :I'd just like to let you know that I left you a question on your Q and A subpage in case you haven't seen it yet. <small>] <sup>] | ] | ]</sup> </small> ----- 00:59, 8 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| This is a bit beside the point regarding the case at hand of the user 172, however. For those that monitor other Wikis, we may note a promulgation of extremist political speech occurring on many of them. I would like to point attention here to the Wiki Encyclopedia Dramatica, notorious home to a great deal of pornography and hate speech. | |||
| == Impressive list on your userpage == | |||
| This is a very useful series of elinks you have collected there. I think it deserves moving into mainspace. The articles on ], ], ], ] and ] are just some that would benefit from parts or all of this information, don't you think so? --] <sup>]</sup> 16:11, 8 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks. I sometimes use it off Wiki when I don't have access to my favorites list on my internet browser... You have a good idea. It appears that someone else has already started the work at ]. ] | ] 09:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :: Looks interesting, tnx for the comment about it. --] <sup>]</sup> 13:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| One of the most notorious users on this site maintains something very suspicious on his user page. (I am unable to link to this due to what appears to be a server block, but I am speaking of User:Cardinal_Contarini on encyclopediadramatica.com.) | |||
| == Fidel Castro article == | |||
| "I am a historian focusing on international political economy." | |||
| Thanks for your interest in this article. Please be more careful, however, before suggesting a user may be a sockpuppet of another; if you examine the recent history of the article you will see that Saravask replaced the opening section that I and others had previously copyedited, which I then have spent time re-copyediting and wikifying. I also imagine you will find our IP addresses significantly different. | |||
| One can note that here on Misplaced Pages, 172 identifies himself in exactly identical language. We can also note that this Cardinal_Contarini, responsible for the now-infamous "Madoff dollar bill" ("symbolizing our entire fraudulent Jew-controlled debt/monetary financial system"), makes edits over his user history to pages on that server regarding Lyndon LaRouche ("the most successful long-term economic forecaster on the planet, and correctly predicted the 2008 financial crisis") and even Chip Berlet, and engages in among the most severe anti-Semitic attacks seen across the entire internet (a difficult act to accomplish) but particularly focusing on a certain historical narrative of Jewish financial control. We would all do well to re-read Marx's "On The Jewish Question." Through charting certain sequences we can note that certain "memes" originating from this user have already influenced less "satirical" anti-Semites operating on the internet. | |||
| It seems there are now 'too many cooks' working on the article, so, as I have stated in ], I will for the time being withdraw. | |||
| I doubt any of you observing this case understand at all what's actually happening. | |||
| ] 14:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 17:56, 10 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ---- | |||
| :I, for one, am totally confused. Can you shed any more light on it? ] <small><sup>]]</sup></small> 05:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I have just seen and read ] and appreciate your apology.</br> | |||
| ] 14:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you for your understanding. I look forward to your input on the Castro article and other articles when you feel ready to reenter the discussion. ] | ] 14:58, 11 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ---- | |||
| ==Kissinger== | |||
| thanks very much, though the External Links section'll need to be worked on by someone, heh. it's just that practically every link (IIRC) was about how terrible of a person Kissinger was. we probably don't need that many links in the first place. | |||
| == ] == | |||
| if you have anything in my edit you think needs to be significantly changed or improved on i'm open to discuss it on the Talk, probably tomorrow though, cuz i gotta do a 5-page paper. ] 22:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| You commented in the last Article for deletion discussion. This article is up for deletion again. | |||
| == Speedy deletion == | |||
| You are welcome to comment about the discussion for deletion. ] (]) 09:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Fair use rationale for File:Kingbeating.jpg== | |||
| == Totalitarian dictators == | |||
| ] | |||
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| Hi 172. Thanks for the message. I have been peripherally aware of the to-and-fro over the category; most of the relevant pages are on my watchlist. This was why I did something about it when I saw it turn up in the speedy category. Although I have some concerns about the original processology of extending a CfD and stuff, I don't feel moved to reverse my deletion, particularly as VfU is upholding it without too much trouble and there is also a perfectly decent stub now in place. It also ''was'' a speedy, given the eventualy state of the CfD. I'm still something of a new admin (about a month old), but I think I've averaged >1 deletion a week on VfU which, given the normal traffic there is quite a lot! So having another one listed is not too disturbing, especially since all the earlier ones were upheld. Thanks for the understanding, though. -]<small><sup>]</sup></small> 11:44, 13 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "]" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on ]. If you have any questions please ask them at the ]. Thank you. <small>Do you want to ] of receiving this notice?</small><!-- Template:Missing rationale --> ] (]) 04:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ==VfU== | |||
| 172, I've thought it right to remove my insertions of the <personal attack deleted> tags that Silverback's been complaining about. Of course I didn't put them there to bait him in the first place, but because I disapprove of silently altering things over another person's signature. And also to avoid turning some of your comments into replies to nothing. Unfortunately, with this removal, some of your comments '''are''' now replies to nothing. I apologize for not managing better, and please feel free to revert any edit of mine that you think unfair to you. Alternatively, you might consider removing some of your own words, I suppose. Please see the note I left on the VfU page. ] | ] 12:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Fair use rationale for File:YanayevBaklanovPugo.jpg== | |||
| ==RfC== | |||
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| Quoting me is fine of course. I've endorsed the basis for the dispute, which I suppose means I should also put in something about trying and failing to solve the dispute (I reckon I did try, even if only on a small scale). I see you suggested El C endorse it, but I suppose it can be more than two people? Feel free to remove my sig if it doesn't go well in that place. I find the RfC instructions pretty mysterious. ] | ] 19:35, 15 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| Well, I feel both of you are valuable editors. I was looking over your addition to ] and it looked fine...maybe a little left (no insult intended) but overall, better than what was there. I am not a strong advocate of RfC, ArbCom, or anything along those lines. I think that some could have filed stuff against me in the past and was ?lucky? enough to avoid it. Your case is probably strong and it appears that Silverback has not been very apologetic. I haven't seen that he has commented on the RfC yet so maybe after he does that would allow me the opportunity to see both sides of the story. I just noticed on the Admin noticeboard your comments, am familiar with Silverback and was trying to keep things from spiraling out of control. I think I may have upset you with my comments and that was not my intention. I'll probably stay out of it from here on out.--] 09:59, 16 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| re: Neoconservatism in the U.S.: I just thought that the term itself isn't widely used by neocons themselves as a personal description of their politics or policies...it is by paleocons and liberals much more often...and in some cases, in a disparaging manner...but I think that is mentioned elsewhere. My main contributions to the article is to revert the repeated anti-Jewish lingo that keeps cropping up and I won't profess to be any sort of expert on the subject matter...just sort of keen to slight word play due to my bias of being a moderate conservative. My editing there will primarily be to revert vandalism and contribute to talk. As I said, your edit appeared to be much better than what was there and follows a NPOV.--] 10:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::No, the evidence points to the photos being copyrighted. As you undoubtedly know, under U.S. law, when a photographer snaps an image, the image is immediately copyrighted to him, with no action necessary on his part (such as registering it with the U.S. Copyright Office, or even labeling it with a copyright notice). If he were to subsequently upload that image to every website in the world, this would not impugn his claim to the copyright (though it would definitely harm his ability to collect damages in court). The most that you could argue is that he's giving St. Petersburg the right to use the photo for its own promotional purposes. Now, you could probably make a fair use claim for Misplaced Pages to utilize the photos, based on the latter. But the photos are definitely not in the public domain. ] 23:06, 25 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| == Lir == | |||
| It appers the troll known as user: Lir is still around here's he his website www.kapitalism.net, I figured you should see it for youself---A friend | |||
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| == Hello, again == | |||
| Hi 172: I just came across your page and wanted to let you know that I am delighted to see that you are still contributing to this ever-expanding global Misplaced Pages encyclopedia of ours. Every bit of your input counts (no matter how "small" you may consider it to be), so keep on going strong, and again, "good to see ya". ] 07:30, 27 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| Im deeply grateful for your comments in my support at my difficult RFA. I hope all has been well with you. Sincerely, -]|] 04:32, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==hey again== | |||
| you know a while you said you could help me get that ArbCom ban possibly overturned? well i dunno how often i'll be using this site but if that's still possible, to open a contest against the results of that, any help'd be appreciated. i'm not really sure how these processes work. | |||
| oh and thanks again for helping on the Kissinger article. ] 22:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Arbitration accepted== | |||
| ] has been accepted. Please place evidence on ]. You may advance proposed solutions and make comments on ]. ] 14:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Elaborate? == | |||
| Would you please elaborate about the edit summary for your most recent edit to ]? - ] 23:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Mar del Plata == | |||
| ok, will help out if I can. There should be some interesting reports in the alternative media. -- ] | ] 09:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Mediation request == | |||
| Hi. There has been a request for mediation involving you made at ]. If you are willing to take part in the mediation, please add your name there or email me at sam DOT korn AT gmail DOT com. Cheers, ]</nowiki>]] 17:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Soviet Union== | |||
| Hi there, 172! I am a bit puzzled by your recent revert of the ] article back to Yuliya's version. I partially reverted her edits where I did not see them as objective and/or NPOV. She also deleted some facts, which I restored (and which, with your recent edit, are gone again). Could you, please, explain me your reasoning? I am sure you do not deny that the repressions took place, that the occupation of Afghanistan was indeed military, and that the Soviet growth statistics were doubted by most Western analysts? Did you, perhaps, mean to only partially revert the changes? Thanks.—] 00:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Of course not. I was the one who uploaded the original version of the text before her modifications, actually. Her edits struck me as changes in language and style, not factual content. So I did not see reason to revert them entirely at the time. ] | ] 00:21, 6 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks for clarifying this for me. Do you now intend to restore the facts that had been removed?—] 01:53, 6 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Rangerdude== | |||
| There is an active arbitration case concerning ] at ]. I have presented evidence of Rangerdude's attacks about other editors, and I included a negative personal comment he made to you. The ArbCom is seeking greater involvement in their cases. -] 07:19, 7 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==WikiProject Soviet Union== | |||
| Hi, I note that you've edited some articles relating to the Soviet Union and so I was wondering if you'd like to join ], joining doesn't obligate you to do anything, just I'd be happy of any input I can get for improving articles relating to the USSR. Thanks - ] 03:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Thank you == | |||
| I just wanted to thank you for your support of my RfA which finally passed! I greatly appreciate it! ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 04:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Communism == | |||
| I believe the page is ok now? If not please let me know. ]]] 14:20, 9 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Tendentious POV-pushers == | |||
| Seems to be a lot of that going around these days. I'm dealing with a TPP who keeps trying to insert the Swift Vets' talking points into the ] article, and I was asked to help out at ], where a TPP keeps insisting that the article should "'''state the fact''' that the U.S. income tax is unconstitutional as applied but not in general, and '''state the fact''' that the courts have rejected the law and constitution illegally." It seems that sensible editors are having to spend more and more of their time dealing with this sort of attack. I'll try to look in on your problem but it will probably be when next I'm on. ] 09:47, 10 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == favor? == | |||
| Would you look at this and comment on both Hogeye's and my points? Thanks, ] | ] 00:25, 12 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Inflation == | |||
| Could you look out after the ] article, I just made a huge roll back to get rid of a vast array of povcruft that had accumulated in the last month - a gold bug got loose on the page and started sermonizing about the errors of modern economic theory in not going back to gold, and there was a disorganization of the page by another editor who was writing personal essaylets. ] 14:57, 12 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Hey mate, U still around? I haven't seen you in ages. | |||
| You might want to take a look at ]. International usage on all major English speaking medias, as well as WP Manual of Style and NCs, suggest that that page should be at ]. I proposed that it be moved. A lot of people insist that whatever the evidence most English speakers use Côte d'Ivoire and oppose a move tooth and nail. Given your commitment to actually using professional encyclopædic standards on WP, and your skills as a historian your opinions would be more than welcome (indeed dare I say it are sorely needed!) ]]\<sup><font color=blue>] 02:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| It is based on the Apostles Creed. I wrote it in a bored moment on WP. :-) ]]\<sup><font color=blue>] 03:19, 14 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == news requests == | |||
| Hey 172, I've seen you around previously, on the George Kennan page especially, where you did a bang-up job. Looking at your userpage, I thought you might like to know about the ]. I try to keep an eye on it, although there's not too much activity at the moment. It also occurs to me that we have somewhat overlapping interest areas here on Misplaced Pages. Hope to see you around. All the best. ]&mdash;[[User:Thames|thames]] 16:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Command Economy == | |||
| Hey, awesome job with the ''command economy article''. I thought I was going to have to redo the entire article and take all of that rambling out. Your edits were really precise and clear. I really appreciate the great work you do. | |||
| ==]== | |||
| I think you may be interested in this nomination. --] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 22:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| ] | |||
| I would like to express my thanks to all the people who took part in my (failed) ]. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! I was also surprised by the amount of people who stated clearly that they do care, be it by voting in for or against my candidacy. That's what Wiki community is about and I'm really pleased to see that it works. <br>As my RfA voting failed with 71% support, I don't plan to reapply for adminship any more. However, I hope I might still be of some help to the community. Cheers! ]] 05:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)</div> | |||
| BTW, you might want to archive some of your talk page, it's currently 141kb long.... | |||
| == Human rights in Belarus == | |||
| Hi, I noticed you put a NPOV tag on this article. I'm the one who created it, I noticed you know quite a bit about Russian history. If you've got a moment, would you mind telling me what's POV about it, and maybe I can change a few things in it? Thanks. :) I just want to know what it is that needs to go and I'll rewrite it, since I didn't really intend to write a non-npov article...] 09:45, 17 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Sean Black RfA == | |||
| Thank you very much for your support of my RfA. Thanks, in part, to you, I am now an Administrator, and I pledge to use my newfound powers for ] rather than ]. Thanks again!--]|]<font color="green">]</font> 08:00, 26 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == hey == | |||
| Don't worry about it. Do keep me posted on what you are up to, I often can't follow everything going on here, but would like to know, ] | [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 20:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==List of modern day dictators== | |||
| Has it been considered to create ], ], ] and the like, and to have "List of dictators" link only to these lists? ] 21:10, 26 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| The proposed spin-offs mentioned above are much worse, actually. The problem is that in all but the most obvious cases historians are always disagreeing on the nature and scope of the authority of just about any individual leaders or regime. By making any of the above proposed classifications, Misplaced Pages editors wind up arbitrating between professional historians who spend their entire lives specializing in the study of any of the regimes listed but disagree on these matters themselves. So, the judgment one way or other (whether or not to include one leader or another) is inherent ]. ] 21:21, 26 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Can you give an example where historians disagree about whether a leader suspended the constitution? ] 22:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :After reviewing ] I can see what you mean, but I still believe it is possible to have such lists where there is a clear paper trail (e.g. the enabling act quite explicitly allowed Hitler to rule by decree). ] 00:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| What a miserable trainwreck the AfD discussion has become. If only someone other than juicifer had raised the issue. ] 10:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Thanks== | |||
| Thanks for your appreciative comments and for taking the time to write them. I do think of Misplaced Pages as one of the great experiments in the history of civilization, and, aside from the fact that I find it fascinating and pleasurable (although occasionally stressful and also sometimes conflicting with my job and various other intellectual projects) to participate, I sometimes do think of myself as having almost a kind of moral obligation to do so. I will check out the article you mentioned. ] 00:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==ArbCom case: community vs AndriyK== | |||
| Hi 172, I thought you might be interested in following this ArbCom case ] even if you have no intention on getting involved. Regards, --] 09:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == List of Dictators == | |||
| Agreed, voted to delete per POV policy. ] 15:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Case closed== | |||
| The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the ] case. ] 06:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Hey, | |||
| This isn't your cup of tea, but as an independent academic you might want to keep an eye on ]. ] is assing around again deleting links he does not want to have, or rather ensuring that only his article is linked to the section on the Jack the Ripper rumours that swamped Albert Victor. A second article also discusses the topic in the context of royal myths and legends. He has been trying for months to get the other article deleted so that the only article that covers the topic is his own pet one. Every attempt he has made to get things his way has been met with silence by everyone. Even his merge attempt got a grand total of himself participating. Since all his other attempts have failed he now tries to delete any reference to the other article in the Prince Albert Victor page. Of the fun of people like DreamGuy and their agenda, eh! ] 19:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==New Deal== | |||
| 172 you should take a look at ] someone's been adding some rather dubious stuff to it over the last day or two. ] 21:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Yet another humanist == | |||
| Please see ] (and ). It looks like we are about to have yet another humanist on crusade to call people "ruthless murderers" in articles. YOu have a much better eloquence than me to explain that this is not how encyclopedia is written. ] ] 17:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==ArbCom'd== | |||
| well no luck with Dav. dunno if i should just forget the appeal. i don't know how these things work and if you don't have much a chance for success if both parties can't agree. | |||
| i think i should be able to though since i probably wouldn't've gotten the ban i got if you hadn't been my archeditwarenemy #1 for like 5 years. in a way it seems like your input should be worth the most since we had a lotta edit wars since i first got here in summer 2004. | |||
| anyway any input'd be appreciated. i won't be bummed if i can't do this, even though i do think my work on ] deserves a Wiki Pulitzer. ] 07:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == List of White supremacists == | |||
| You might be interested to know that I've nominated ] for deletion. ] ] 23:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators == | |||
| Hi. I just wanted to comment on something you said (after the debate was closed, for which you get a minor slap on the wrist). You said, ''... minority of users getting away with voting NPOV ... on a technicality. As of now the deletes are at 60% instead of the needed 67%''. This was not a ''vote'', it was a discussion trying to achieve ]. This is no strict definition of what consensus is, and there is certainly no pre-defined percentage of votes which must be achieved. All that being said, if you feel that an error was made here, we've got a procedure for that. You can ask for a ]. --] 14:55, 2 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Merging dictator lists== | |||
| Please comment, if you would, on the proposal at ] to merge into ]. ] 21:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Mailing list == | |||
| I've started a mailing list to discuss the bias against progressives on Misplaced Pages, among other topics - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/redfaction . If you want the e-mail address hidden to all except the moderator (me), make sure that option is checked. While I'd love it if this list took off, it will probably mostly be me sending off an e-mail once a month about the latest travesty (I still can't get over how Jimbo appointed JayJG to ArbCom). | |||
| I have been too busy with real life stuff to be too involved in Misplaced Pages recently. I have been researching for wiki articles, even going to libraries, but I am publishing those articles like this one or this one on other wikis. They usually take me over a month to write (after work). I wouldn't even say they're that good - the narrative is horrible, I just try to get all the dates and facts straight, with two or more sources for most everything. Then I try to focus more on classes than individuals. I should also add that it's rather difficult to track down some of these things, such as what year the Huks in the Philippines stopped fighting. I still don't have an answer to that, different sources give different dates, I have a feeling it just petered out instead of coming to a complete stop. Anyhow, sign up to my list to hear my monthly rant about this or that. ] 23:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Comment on dictators & its afd == | |||
| Hi 172, I wanted to respond to a comment you left me at ], that I didn't get a chance to respond to (I've been editing rather irregularly lately). I'll reproduce it here: | |||
| :''No reason has been offered? Regarding whether or not the list is crucial to coverage of the topic, see Jeremmy Shapiro's comments explaining how the list probably serves more to give a misleading picture of political reality than it reveals. Further, Jtdirl, Wizzy, Colipon, John Kenney and I, along with a handful of other editors here, I have provided a plethora of examples of leaders who fall into a gray area, and thus either way their inclusion or exclusion here is on the basis of the POV judgment calls of individual Misplaced Pages editors. If you do not remember a reason for deletion being stated, you need to take another look at the discussion threads. On a personal note, I have come across your work on articles related to the Federalist Papers; so, I know that you are quite a bright student of political science and political thought. Given your level of sophistication, I expect that you will be able to understand some of our concerns. 172 04:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)'' | |||
| I've looked at Jeremy's comment and I do agree with some of his concerns. Also, looking at the disputed page itself, I see that it's a long way from where I would like: particularly, people are spending a lot of time "coming up with a definition" of dictator to govern inclusion, which seems like an obvious instance of original research. The question to ask seems not to be "does this person meet some (arbitrary) standard that Wikipedians have established" but rather "does the bulk of the academic/ scholarly/ media/ other reputable sources describe this person as a dictator." Judgment calls will of course in the end be required, but I think our general resolution mechanisms will be up to handling them, and (importantly) I think we will be able to inform these judgments largely with established research and commentary rather than the general opinions of editors. I don't see the page as hopeless, and I've been surprised in the past by pages that seemed doomed to endless controversy and managed to recover. | |||
| Also, part of my reason for keeping the page is the shabby treatment at ] and ] of the subject. Proper coverage of the concept seems to require the analysis of a fair number of actual cases. Right now the best coverage along those lines seems to be provided by the list, which at least links to many elucidating examples. Improvement of the main pages could perhaps obviate this benefit of the list, but for now I don't think we are in that state. (On another note, those two pages should perhaps be merged.) I apologize for commenting that no reason for deletion had been offered; what I meant to say was that no reason had been offered that I found compelling. While it was argued by a number of people that the article was inherently POV, it seems to me that the article's problems are not irreparable and that eventually this material could form a valuable part of Misplaced Pages. Cheers, ] ] 20:54, 3 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| There is an ongoing attempt to define state intervention in the economy as inherently fascist through the creation of an article entitled ]. I have started an AfD on that article based on the argument that "economic fascism" is (a) too vague to ever be properly defined and (b) an inherently POV term of abuse which will cause eternal edit wars, and the observation that the subject of economic policy in fascist regimes is already covered in a multitude of other articles, including ] itself and ]. Please consider ] on the AfD. -- ] 23:01, 4 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == List of modern dictators == | |||
| Sorry, the AfD had been closed by the time I had a chance to look at it. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 00:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ] about the AFD vote. Perhaps when there's more evidence of the retarded and intractable edit wars that will no doubt ensue on that page it can be brought up for AFD again. All the best. —] 05:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Hiya 172. It might not be up your street but (literally!) lol but the ] is located at the Italian version of its name, thanks to a four person vote in April, even though English speakers worldwide (except in the US) don't use the Italian version of the name. I've proposed a vote to move the page back to its original location. It is at ]. Please drop in and vote. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 05:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Image Tagging ]== | |||
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| If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by going to "Your contributions" from your user page and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on ]. Thanks so much. --] 13:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==] == | |||
| I felt it bad form to add the first reference, but once it existed I had no trouble adding the beginnings of an article. ] 16:13, 8 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| '''DO NOT''' edit a closed AFD, my notes where to clarify my thoughts when closing the AFD and should not be edited just as you would not edit a user's statement on a talk page. If you continue you may be blocked as editing a closed AFD page can qualify as vandalism. <small>]<sup>] | ] | ]</sup></small> ---- 20:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Also if you would not mind please respond on my talk page why you felt it was appropriate to both modify a closed AFD as well as modifying another user's (in this case the closing administrator's) comments. I am at the moment assuming that this was some sort of misunderstanding and am assuming good faith however any clarification on this would be nice. <small>]<sup>] | ] | ]</sup></small> ---- 21:01, 8 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :172, also if you would like the article to be redirected attempt to get a consensus on the talk page to do so. I like all people support being bold in certain situations but doing so without a consensus is against policy and is going to just lead to an edit war which should be avoided if at all possible. <small>]<sup>] | ] | ]</sup></small> ---- 20:56, 8 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at this case. I am afraid Ghirlandajo is trying , and if he is unchecked, it may damage all of the good will that we have been able to work out through our previous collaborations.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 23:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I see that despite my , Piotrus continues to recruit supporters for his anti-Ghirlandajo crusade. 172, thanks for calling me a "potential asset" to the Misplaced Pages after I have made more edits in my 9 months of editing than Halibutt has done in 2 years of his. Nevertheless, I would like to point out that your assumption that Piotrus and Halibutt are "exceedingly tolerent toward users with other perspectives, and consistently polite and friendly" is wrong. Calling me a "vodka pisser" and racist, as practiced by Halibutt, is neither polite nor friendly. If my comments were not always exmplary, I brought my good-willed apologies to Mr Halibutt on *three* occasions, the last time just five days ago (see his talk page), and every time he bit the hand that I extended towards him, and preaching me in a judgmental tone: . After that, not only did he maintain a confrontational tone, but advised me to . What is particularly sad, he refuses not only to apologize but even to acknowledge numerous insults and personal attacks directed to me: "No, Ghirlandajo, we were not both bad tempered. You were. Accusing me of insults when there were none will not change that". Having said that, the only person who refuses to co-operate there is Mr Halibutt, and I have nothing to learn from him, contrary to your advises. --] 09:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Tnx for your comment. You can see above what we have to deal with. Ghirlandajo has now accussed me of spamming (again). :/ In other news: Could you consider adding the ] template to your userpage? It is very helpful in case translators are needed and such.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 15:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Do you have any insight on this AfD? ] 01:37, 9 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Proposal for moderating the Edit war on ]== | |||
| Hi, the recent edit war in ] has been very draining. I would like your support in an effort to moderate that war. I made a proposal for moderating the edit war in a section by that name in the discussion page of ]. I'm hoping that you will add your name to it. (] 19:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)) | |||
| Your comments would be welcome at ]. One user, without even bothering to go through the proper procedures, wants to rename the article ] and keeps moving it to push that version!!! While there is an article for all uppercasing or all lowercasing, half-casing (which is all WP allows, as all lowercasing is not possible in article titles) would produce a semi-literate mess that would make WP a laughing stock. A student who writes the title that way in an essay earns an instant fail because it is seen as such a monumental clanger. With all the attacks WP is under right now, the ''last thing'' WP needs is to make it look as though it does not know how to write the title of the office of premier correctly. What next? ''Lord mayor''? ''United states''? ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 23:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Request for arbitration against ]== | |||
| I opened a ] against RJII for POV pushing, incivility, and refusal to take the RFC process seriously. If you would like to join it, feel free to do so. ] 18:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I don't know if it is of interest to you, but on ] there is a vote to delete a template called ''behave''. It is designed to deal with kiddie vandalism and works excellently, but by the usual WP mob are trying to delete it. (I'm all in favour of deletions of unencyclopædic content but the scale of deletions on WP is out of control. I'm on the brink of quitting WP at this stage I am so fed up of it. WP has gone to the dogs IMHO.) ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 23:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Would you take a look at ]. We are discussing a possible change of the name of the article there and I believe that a view from non-Polish perspective would be helpful. --] <sup>(])</sup> 21:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Heya 172 == | |||
| Good to see you around again! - ] 21:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==ADL and LaRouchies== | |||
| As an Australian I don't know much about the American ADL (I've had a fair bit to do with the local affiliate), but I will support any effort to get rid of Herschelkrustofsky and other LaRouchy wreckers. | |||
| While I'm here I feel I should warn you that someone has been impersonating you at various articles relating to North Korea, inserting gross pro-Communist POV and preventing any critical comment on the grotesque Kim dynasty. This doppel-172 does not seem to have been active lately but you ought to be watchful in case he comes back - as I am being. ] 09:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| What a statesmanlike view to take. If only everyone conceded at once that "it is increasingly clear that your point of view was correct all along", Misplaced Pages would be a much happier place. I shall have this noble sentiment framed and mounted. ] 11:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC) (PS please archive your Talk page) | |||
| ==ADL== | |||
| Hey, thanks for helping out on the Saddam article. | |||
| Taking a look, it seems that all of the links provided that mention the spying on the ANC come from sites with a strong anti-ADL bias. That said, if anyone can find a more moderate source, I don't see why it can't be mentioned, as it does give both sides of the issue. I'm sure you would not want to censor (properly referenced) US ties with nasty rightist dictators, am I wrong? ] 16:59, 26 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| If its properly cited, I don't see why it can't be mentioned briefly. Of course, if we were talking about a photo that showed the ADL and South African government individuals collaborating (in an article about ]) it would be a play on emotions and uncalled for. But right now, it doesn't seem terribly out of place or POV. ] 00:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Thank You== | |||
| Thank you for your support back there, that guy was really getting annoying. ] 22:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I think its interesting that all I had to do to provoke his "outrage" about my "denial" was to change exactly '''one''' word on ]. There was no other current content dispute. Thanks for helping there too, BTW ] 23:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == history bug == | |||
| Just about the history thing, I've experienced it myself before. In fact, I submitted a bug report to BugZilla about it - the other time it was concerning vandalism with ] (which is now a redirect), and I was prevented from reverting that article for a long while, until someone else reverted it. -- ] 06:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == RFAr against KDRGibby == | |||
| Following his rejection of mediation (twice), I have decided that I will file an arbitration request. I am busy formalising the list of parties involved. Do you wish to involve yourself as a complaining party? -- ] 07:27, 31 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Request for comment == | |||
| It may not be up your alley, but very few people have came through RfC I posted about ], and there is a slow but pointless revert war there (see ]), so I am now down to asking fellow Wikipedians to take a look if you have time and will.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 16:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Hi mate, | |||
| Your assistance is required again. (sorry!) You may remember the war on styles that was waged some time ago and the eventual compromise reached. A series of templates were created to enable users to warn other users who attempt to reinsert styles into articles that that is no longer WP policy. However a user who is trying to get a whole series of templates deleted has nominated them on the ] for deletion. I am thoroughly fed up having to defend necessary templates from the minority of deletion police on WP who seem to act as a group: one nominates, then the rest all vote to agree with them. All help to defend the necessary templates in the ''styles'' series gratefully received. Thanks. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 18:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for the message. I am so utterly frustrated with the farce that is the ] mess. It is so obvious that 90%+ of nominations are based on ignorance of the template, and those who vote rarely have an idea what they are voting on. I have always been in favour of some deletions on WP but that this stage the scale of deletions of good stuff is breathtaking. It has led me to seriously question whether I want to stay on WP. I have spent so long trying to fix things, as have others, only to find our fixes, even though they may have an overwhelming consensus behind them, get wrecked or deleted by a small minority of deletion police who clearly don't know what they are doing. WP is in danger of destroying its own credibility through low standards of contribution and through the attacking of those who try to bring it up to professional encyclopædic standards. I don't know how long more I will have the stomach for defending professional standards against attack from those who don't think standards matter, just their own game playing. It is obvious that the lack of professional control and proper procedure is doing untold damage to WP. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 19:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I've just discovered that the guy making the nominations, not content with nominating templates, had been sneaking through others deleting them. Outrageous! ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 19:44, 31 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Happy New Year!== | |||
| Happy New Year, 172! Thanks for not leaving Misplaced Pages! | |||
| ]. --] | |||
| Happy New Year, my friend. --]<sup>]</sup> 07:43, 1 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == thanks! == | |||
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| |] | |||
| |<font color = "blue">'''Greetings 172,'''</font><br> I wish to offer my gratitude for supporting me on my recent ], which passed with the final tally of 65/4/3. If you would ever desire my assistance in anything, or wish to give me feedback on any actions I take, ]. Cheers! ] (]!) 08:01, 1 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Thanks for the alert, 172. I was unaware of that case but had strongh suspicions about Neto's behaviour already. Now that I am aware of it I will make sure the arbcom ruling is enforced. (I have blocked him for breaching the one-revert-per-article-per-day ruling.) ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 15:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Hello== | |||
| Hey 172, could I have your input on a dispute I am having with Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters on ]? Lulu wants to imply that Cuba has had multi-party elections since 1976 just because ] says so. However, checking the page history shows that relevant information was the other day by a pro-Castro vandal. I restored it, but Lulu refuses to give up and is accusing me of, what I believe is, a frivolous 3RR violation while ignoring my comments on ] and elsewhere (but having enough time to complain about my "rantings". A response would be appreciated. ] 19:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, | |||
| I've opened a ] against Netoholic for two threats he made against me on my talk page and his. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 22:14, 1 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Military history of the Soviet Union== | |||
| I think you are more qualified than myself in deciding whether deletion of the phrase needs to be addressed since it was you, who wrote it. I just get extra alert when pieces are deleted from FA's. Cheers, --] 06:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :OK, if seems acceptable to you, I will leave it as it is. Thanks, --] 00:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == possible request for comment == | |||
| I am inclined to let it slide because I think I am dealing with a nut-case. But do you consider this (the last sentence) an anti-Semitic threat? ] | ] 19:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks, will do, ] | ] 20:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| please consider this ] | ] 23:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==COTW== | |||
| Would you be willing to support my nominee for ]. The article is ] which is an important term for military knowledge. The current article however isn't at the same standard as the term is in modern and historic warfare though. If you'll be willing to support, I'll be greatful. Thanks {{User:Rentastrawberry/Signature}} 00:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Hello again! == | |||
| I've just read through the topic "cold war" in your discussion list, which seem to be about a guy who uses several nicknames and IPs. But you probably remember that it's me who wrote the "extra" on the cold war article, and I can assure of that I am not in to that sort of stuff; this time - it wasn't him... | |||
| PS! Have you seen my comment on your complaint of my article? | |||
| PPS! I now got my own account... | |||
| V.V. | |||
| == time to put and ''end'' to comandante == | |||
| I copied what I wrote to ]. I've never written an RFC before so hopefully you can help me with it. Thanks--] 01:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == My ] == | |||
| Hi, many thanks for voting in my RfA, I got it! :) If you need anything, just give me a ]. - ] 00:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Comandante RFC== | |||
| I would be glad to contribute. Yet... | |||
| Yet, there simply has to be a better way of getting him banned. RFCs do nothing alone. It will simply lie there for days until someone takes it to ArbCom. then ''if'' the case is accepted it will sit there for months as the ArbCom takes agonizingly long amounts of time to examine evidence, propose decisions, and vote. Then when we ''might'' get a sufficient verdict, it leaves the possibility that Comandante will keep inventing new accounts. Meanwhile, countless numbers of articles will be vandalized to the inconvenience of all. | |||
| RFCs are supposed to be launched against semi-respectable people who can make a case. Comandante will not, and he is barely above the status as vandal. Take a look as this. As of now, out of 720 edits, Comandante has made ''fifteen'' to talk pages since April 25, 2004, three only recently and under threat. | |||
| We are simply playing into his hands right now as he will delay and delay as long as possible. Thus, a faster means, such as reporting him in as a vandal or something else, is urgently needed. ] 02:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * Related to ], so I'm hopping in. I'm not saying you don't have valid points on talk, but I'm tired of it. I spent a solid day on vandalism patrol, and came across this article the same way. In spite of all that, please don't edit/strike others comments. I yelled at ] when he did the same thing ages ago. Bitch. Moan. Report me. Rail against the prick I'm being, but please don't edit my comments. I've just reached my limit on Fidel ]<sub>(])</sub> 03:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hopefuly, the article dosen't ''further'' degenrate into a propaganda vehicle for the Miami millionaires who wish to become the dictators of Cuba once more. ] 03:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you, Wikibofh, this ^^^ is the type of shit you have just opened the doors to.--] 03:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :See what I mean, 172? ] 03:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * I haven't brought up the issue that there is no discussion in the article of the following: | |||
| ::''Amongst the wedding presents received was a substantial gift (US$500) from Batista, who by then was both a retired President and '''dictator''' with the rank of former general in the Cuban army.'' | |||
| :Just struck me as ironic. *sigh* ]<sub>(])</sub> 03:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ** At least we're bitching on 172's talk page instead of in article space. In the immortal words of ], we're going to "pick a hole". ]<sub>(])</sub> 03:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Of course, when I do they're happy, but otherwise, "shit" and other expeltives are the order of the day. Ignoring sources, and so on. ] 03:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * It's just because you have it in for "Ben Z". You're in the anti "Ben Z" cabal. Nice of you to finally admit it. ]<sub>(])</sub> 03:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Is that addressed to me? If so, I don't know what that is. ] 03:37, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * Yes it was addressed to you. :) Look at your diff. It shows you reverting out the sentence "Ben Z. is the best." :) Note the liberal use of smileys on this sentence. :) ]<sub>(])</sub> 03:50, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Oh, okay. Maybe he is the best, one never truly knows. Erm, I'll try to be less bitter for the moment being. ;) ] 03:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Btw, Dennis Miller is okay, but ] is ''the "shit"''! ] 03:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :* Taken under advisement. I will try to see if I can find some of his stuff. I'm also partial to ] and meaningless conversations on 172's page. :) BTW: The Miller quote is a partial portion of . I use it for indicating when decisive action is more important than what the action is. ]<sub>(])</sub> 04:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Umm... did you think of alerting Comandante about his RfC? I didn't really see any mention of it to him. Thanks. --] <sup><font color="#3D9140">]</font></sup> 20:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==hopefully it sent this time== | |||
| --] 15:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Rfa thanks == | |||
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| |width="100%" bgcolor=#eeeeff style="padding:.5em"| Hello 172. Thank you for supporting my Rfa! :) I will try my best to be a good administrator. Please ask me if you need any help. --] <sup>]</sup> 17:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Stalin== | |||
| On the ] article, someone wants to distance Stalin from the purges along with some other stuff I don't have a serious problem with (mostly). Since I don't have much knowledge of the Great Purge, perhaps you can say whether or not this is called for? ] 21:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Please take a look. It seems there that the raging russophobia of some is the only reason of the attempts to derail the candidacy of one of the most worthy people for the job. That's of course just my opinion but I appreciate your taking a look. --] 06:55, 8 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ArbCom Vote == | |||
| Hi 172, | |||
| As per your opposition vote to my ArbCom candidacy due to the lack of questions, I've ] at the questions page. I welcome any further questions to be asked to clarify any of your doubts, and let me know on my ] if it's urgent. Thank you for your interest! :) | |||
| - ''Best regards'', ] 02:50, 10 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Holodomor== | |||
| I read your statement at talk and saw your edits. It is an extremely difficult article. I see your point though. Some friendly criticism of politicizing of Holodomor may be found at , ''"War Criminality: A Blank Spot in the Collective Memory of the Ukrainian Diaspora"'', from , Lviv, 2003 (also available at , Vol. 5, pp. 9-24, ISSN 1496-6778). | |||
| OTOH, Andrew Alexander edits this article from a very attached and personal POV while he tries to bring in much factual information at the same time. I kind of gave up on that article for now. With Mikka's loosing his heart in general, I would more than welcome if you join this discussion from the Western academic perspective. If you have time for that, I will try to return to the article too. Regards, --] 04:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I would like to express my thanks to all the good people who spent their valuable time time and effort working on my (failed) ]. Especially for those who actually voted to support me :). You put a great effort into it, it was me who mixed up everything. Lets move on and make together our Misplaced Pages an even greater place ] 09:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| The request for arbitration concerning this user has been filed at ]. ] (]) 10:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Belated thanks == | |||
| I now have a few extra tabs at the top of my Misplaced Pages pages. Thanks for your comments on my RfA. One needs critics as well as friends, but better still, one needs a critical friend. To that end, if I come across a sticky situation, I hope you will not mind if I ask your advice; and if you see me do something questionable, I would appreciate your letting me know. ] 08:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==MAUP etc.== | |||
| Since this is not directly related to the article any more, let me respond here. As for Ukraine, I'm confident that you are very much aware of how complex the situation is in the country. Similarly to Russia, the way of conducting historic research is still much biased by how it's been done in the past. And I'm sure that you know that history as a discipline in the Soviet Union was very different to the Western standards. It can take years to change it, but the first changes are already happening. Still, one has to remember that the Orange Revolution happened just a year ago, and nobody knows what the coming parliamentary elections will bring. As I think I said before, level of nationalisms is often unpleasantly high in the countries that won their independence recently. Ukraine is not an exception here. Then there's a push towards market economy, which could also mean promoting private institutions, including education. Finally, the government administration also takes years to change its habits. All these and more make the MAUP problem not as straightforward as it might seem. this however should not eclipse the fact that there are more and more talented young historians in the Ukraine without neither strong Soviet nor nationalistic bias and we should keep our fingers crossed for their progress. If you have not done it before I would recommend reading the Kulchytsky's article, which puts things in a quite true perspective. And no, I'm not a leading scholar in my country and I'm not a Ukrainian either. --<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 21:43, 15 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Please allow me to jump in. This is mostly to respond to Lysy. His statement about the level of nationalism in Ukraine being "unpleasantly high" shows how little the writer is familiar with the particular issue. Yes, the UA nationalism is as aggressive as any nationalism but it is not at all high in Ukraine. Nationalist ideology is on the fringe there and the results of the recent presidential election, if anything else, shows it very well. The politician with proven track record and without any significant allegations (Yushchenko) won only with a rather small margin over a convicted criminal (Yanukovych) only because Yushchenko's opponents manage to paint him a Ukrainian nationalist (largely unjustly). This was enough to significantly weaken his campaign to a degree when his victory was measured in single digits only and had the pro-Kuchma block picked someone else instead of a candidate with two criminal convictions, the former prime-minister (Yushchenko) who actually paid off the pensions debts the state owed to retirees, salaries to teachers and doctors and filled the state coffers by clamping down on the economic crime would have lost the election. This, if anything, shows that it is rather unpopular in Ukrain to be a nationalist. | |||
| :Here, at en-wiki a very small percentage of Ukrainian editors subscribe to the nationalist ideas, which usually come together with fervent Russophobia. Andrew Alexander is rather atypical in this respect and there are only a handful of others in Misplaced Pages with similar views. | |||
| :As for the "traditionalist bias", as 172 also said, the place to fight it is not an encyclopedia, which summarizes the scholarly work but the scholarly works themselves. | |||
| :Finally, I would like to thank the editors with an extensive academic background in history for taking on this article. This includes both of you. Regards, --] 07:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for your message. I did restore Holodomor. May I ask you to help with this article? So far a large part of the debate there was among Ukrainian nationalists and Stalin apologists and what the article needs really are people with a good professional background in history and free of ideological agendas, just like yourself. I consider myself also free from ideological agendas but history and politics is rather a hobby of mine since my professional background is science and engineering. | |||
| I was unpleasantly surprised to see Ultramarine to roam into the article. I've seen that fellow before as well as his arbitration. The guy is a huge pain in the neck. | |||
| Finally, I would like to add to what I wrote to you earlier about the situation in Ukraine. People in the west tend to get a wrong impression when reports about MAUP surface here. The truth is that MAUP within Ukraine itself is in total obscurity and gets to public attention only when the reports like the one you referred to make its way to the media. No one in Ukraine ever hear about MAUP no matter how much clout it boasts at its web-site, that is until they get involved in another scandal. Similarly, there was or may still be an ultranationalist member of parliament named Tiahnybok. His only clam to fame was the outrage from his statements like "Ukraine for Ukrainians" and that "1917 Revolution was a Russo-Jewish conspiracy". This received much more attention from the media that a little notice announcement that he was expelled from the parliamentary faction by Yushchenko, a faction leader at that time. --] 21:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Recent news came out and a short analysis that . Also see . While the Ukrainian nationalism within Ukraine itself is rather on the fringe, the judophobia is on the fringe even within this nationalism itself. Days were all evils were considered to come from Jews and Poles are long over in Ukraine and those nationalists who have to hate someone, are happy to hate Russia and the Russians as you can easily see in Misplaced Pages too. Similarly, among the Polish editors it is more unusual to see much criticism of Ukraine now even on controversial UA-PL issues. Russophobia is much more in fashion among all extremists in the Eastern Europe than hatred towards any other ethnic group or country. --] 23:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Criticisms of communism== | |||
| Hi! I've been working on a rewrite of that article, including material from Ultramarine as well as from my own research, over at ], but also offline. The only thing I've got left to rewrite is the economic development section (my sandbox is lagging behind my actual progress). I should be finished with it by tomorrow or the day after. So as to avoid creating parallel versions again, might I ask you to hold off any major edits until you see my rewrite? -- ] 16:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :P.S. You might want to vote ]. -- ] 16:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Cold War== | |||
| What's going on? If this turns into an edit-war I have to remove the AID-nomination. I am getting the impression there is some sockpuppeteering involved and also, there is no dispute over content, just calling each other vandals. For example, what is wrong with the content of the statement about Korea you keep removing?--] 07:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ''The Korean peninsula remains a hotspot. The states of ] and ] (and her allies) also technically remain at war because although a truce is in effect, no formal peace treaty was ever signed. As a result, tension still remains high on the Korean peninsula, especially since North Korea announced its acquisition of nuclear weapons.'' | |||
| According to the talk page you are only disputing the positioning of this addition. It appeared strange to me that you removed it completely because it is so much a part of common knowledge that I think it does not even need a footnote. (Inline citations are badly needed in this article.) I am sure you are unnerved by constantly having to explain the same thing until you get around to rewriting it. Still it is on the AID now and attracting even more attention. I am getting the impression that you are dealing with a new user who simply has a very essayistic style and makes additions to a text that is already to long. That is not what is typically happening on the AID typically. The text needs changes in structure and contents, not more text. This should be discussed first, I'll start a section on the talk page of ].--] 08:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Yeah, you're right.] 14:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Reference: your message about AID ]. I will surely try to give some inputs. Regards. --] 14:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Stalin== | |||
| ''He was directly responsible for starting and enforcing waves of executions, which killed hundreds of thousands, and deportations to labor camps and labor colonies where approximately one million died from 1934-1954. | |||
| If I read this correctly, Stalin is being said to have been responsible for a vague range of 1.2-2 million deaths (not counting famine). These are not the only numbers floating around and you know this. So why are you reverting to this version? --] 11:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I did not write the sentence quoted above. In the context of the paragraph in which it was inserted, my understanding of the reading was not that Stalin was said to have been responsible for a "vague range of 1.2-2 million deaths" over the course of his rule. Instead, the sentence to me read as if it were referring specifically to deaths in the Gulag resulting from the Great Purges, not the famine. In the future please take concerns like the above to the relevant talk pages, not user talk pages. ] 20:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == 3RR == | |||
| (posted to 172 and Ultramarine). Please be very careful of the ] on ]. I'd hate to have to block either of you. -- ]] 07:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm watching the time windows, which indeed is quite a sad practice. By the way, the talk page is illuminating. Notice that the edits in question have been thoroughly discussed for a week and now all of a sudden Ultramarine is jumping in without saying a word on talk. What does one do with an editor whose idea of building consensus is forcing other editors to play games with the 3RR? ] 07:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Anti-bullying petition== | |||
| fyi: Silverback decided he didn't want to remove his comments about you (that he added to his signature on ]), so I removed his signature entirely, along with your comments about it. If you need the diff it's here: --] 09:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Fair enough. It's your user page, so it's your prerogative. Still, thanks for trying to be even-handed. ] 09:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ] seems to have broken 3RR. Should we report him? --] | ] 12:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Holodomor == | |||
| I am a review debate, but except 100К your flud I do not see the constructive offers. Not it is necessary to delete coordinated versions. I have only returned source coordinated version. --] 14:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Woo, self-flagellation, yeah, that feels gooood! *ahem* I wish I could help, but I'm already caught up in some major pet projects on the wiki (now that I finished my overhaul of ], for example, I need to defend it), as well as a bunch of real-life stuff. If the dispute isn't resolved any time soon, though (which it probably won't be), I'm sure I can come in to help eventually. -- ] 08:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi, thought you might take a look at the discussion. ] 14:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Request for comment== | |||
| I don't have enough expertise to assess . Perhaps you do. Cheers, ] | ] 14:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Hello, | |||
| An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: ]. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, ]. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, ]. | |||
| On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ] (]) 01:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Just inquiring, are you intending to post evidence? We just need one last bit in order to make the thing complete. ] (]) 01:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I believe the guys at ] could be interested in comparing with . P.S. You may want to archive this page, as it takes quite some time to download. Cheers, ] | ] 14:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Rummel == | |||
| Hi, Just saw your vote on ''why rummel is always right''. I get very confused by this I've closely read the article and I have failed to see any strong POV in there. It seems to me like | |||
| a possibly too technical description of the research happened by various authors in the field, with lots of the technical discussion of the terms as I would expect in an academic field. | |||
| Could you explain what is POV about it? --] (]) 22:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hiya, Happy new year. | |||
| I don't know if it would interest you but there is a vote to delete a template called {{:defban}} which is used to deal with vandals who post defamation on the site. Splash doesn't seem to grasp that it is not a breach of ''no legal threats'' but a template created after consultation with arbcom members to protect WP from defamation postings and to make sure those posting such stuff know they are leaving themselves legally at risk of being sued. I'd be interested to hear your opinion. It is on ]. Merci, ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 00:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Can you take a look at ? They may need NPOVing. --] | ] 11:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Arb. == | |||
| Hi, "abe," I'm sure you remember me? (it's been a while I know)...anyway I noticed the arb-com reopened your case, and if you need a character witness or any sort of help feel free to email me (I'm going to send you my personal email address) | |||
| Also, I'd vote to re-syosp you, despite our past differences, because I feel you are a wonderful contributor to the project. --] 03:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Input on category == | |||
| Hi 172: I don't necessarily want to draw you into yet another one of those endlessly hard to maintain articles :-). But I'm curious for your input on a rather narrow issue. Basically, I've taken on the informal job of keeping the article ] sane... i.e. not letting it turn into an editorial copied from Bill O'Reilly, condemning Churchill in the most POV terms possible. Far more work than it should be, as you can probably guess. Refactoring part of the material (to conform with ], firstly) into ] helped some. | |||
| Anyway, that's just background, here's the narrow question. Churchill has a somewhat ambivalent relationship to Marxism. I added ] to the article a while back (but notably ''not'' ]). Another editor took it out, but then indicated on the talk page that s/he was not aware of Churchill's sympathetic, but not uncritical, books addressing Marxism. That stuff is on the talk page. I don't think the category inclusion is obviously correct, but I also don't think it's obviously incorrect. To my thinking, it's more a question of providing a useful category to browse thinkers in a related tradition. | |||
| Well... basically, I'd just like your input on whether the category tag should be in the article. You can comment in the section on ] that discusses this. I don't want to add it back myself, and I'm not sure how you might opine. But if you feel inclusion is useful, I'd value your opinion (and let you add it)... or likewise, I'd value your opinion that inclusion is wrong. ] 21:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hey, | |||
| Yup. Its that time again, another msg from me about a controversy. :-) Another dispute is on which might be of interest to you. You probably have heard of the US periodical, ''The Nation''. It is one of a number of publications that exist or have existed using that name. However some US Wikipedians have decreed that all other publications of that name must be shunted off to a disam page with the US publication given sole custody of ] page, even though neither it nor any other publication with that name is international nor widely known outside each state's border. The confusion this causes can be seen in the fact that people making entries to the Thailand newspaper, the British magazine, the famous 19th century Irish paper, etc usually end up innocently creating links to the US periodical page on ] rather than the obscure disamb page (which is only found by a link at the top of the US article). It is blatently wrong. | |||
| The dispute is at ]. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 21:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| I noticed that you were active as an editor for DPT in the past, and well I would like to request your help. It seems that the use of Rummell's research has been abused and is the primary source for the article. Any opposing viewpoint that has been interjected seems to be reverted off. I am afraid that this article has strayed from its original intent. I am requesting help due to the fact that I have some experience with DPT, however I am a beginning grad student and I am afraid that I might be ill equipped to tackle this alone. If you are not interestd in reengaging in this "conflict" any ideas on countering the prevaling Rummell arguments? I know that he's not really accepted in academia, but I can't find any way to prove this... -- ] 09:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Remember ]?== | |||
| I remember you interacted with him a few times. Tell me, why did Paektu suddenly quit Misplaced Pages on 7-25-2003? The Block Logs showed nothing. And was he really from Pyongyang? I saw on a "Wikipedians in Korea" page a long time ago that he was from Pyongyang. If so, how do you know. I hope to hear from you soon. --] 18:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hiya, No. Don't worry. I'm telling you about another damned vote. lol. You should however take a look at the opening of ] for a laugh, specifically the opening paragraph. I've been trying to produce a reasonable encyclopaedic opening paragraph but one user knows so little about how to write an opening section that he insists on putting nonsense about Bush's period as a sports manager into the ''opening paragraph'' (!!!) while demoting the date when Bush leaves office down a couple of paragraphs. It is a garbled mess that would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. Jeez. Do they teach these people how to write in schools anymore? Or how to assess the importance of information? If people in my university submitted essays with that standard of writing the essay would be returned to them with the instruction "rewrite it ''properly'' this time." Sometimes the low standards on Misplaced Pages give me the creeps. OK. That's my rant for the night over. Time to go to bed I suppose. Take care. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 06:04, 12 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I did not realize the Bush administration scandals category had previously been added and removed. I can see how this is iffy, as it represents more of a PR blunder than a "scandal", although there certainly appears to have been lax attention paid to some rather obvious concerns that could be raised. I will not dispute your editorial judgment, but I think it could easily go either way. Cheers! ] ] 07:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == KGB in Nicaragua == | |||
| Citing a book called ''The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World'' (by Christopher Andrew & Vasili Mitrokhin), TDC has added | |||
| the following assertions, among others, to the Sandinista article: | |||
| :During the following three years the KGB handpicked several dozen Sandinistas training in Honduras and Costa Rica for intelligence and sabotage operation in the United States. In ] this KGB controlled Sandinistan sabotage and intelligence group was sent to the US/Mexican border. Their primary targets were southern ] facilities the oil pipeline running from El Paso Texas to Costa Mesa California. A support group, codenamed SATURN, passed as migrant farm workers to conceal themselves and smuggle in arms caches. | |||
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| :Sandinista defector Álvaro Baldizón alleged that Cuban influence in Nicaragua's Interior Ministry (MINT) was more extensive than was widely believed at the time and Cuban "advice" and "observations" were treated as though they were orders | |||
| He also inserted this unattributed POV: | |||
| :In contrast to the Cuban revolution, the Sandinista government practiced political pluralism throughout its time in power ''although this was primaraily to appeases its external critics''. | |||
| Since I don't have a copy of the above-mentioned book at hand, I can't verify this material. Do you know whether such allegations of KGB influence have been corroborated and adopted in other secondary sources? I hope you can lend a hand sorting this out. ''saludos cordiales,'' ] | ] 13:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : I was just going to drop you a note 172. Care to look over the edits? If you have an Amazon.com account, you can do a book search and a content search in the book if you do not have a copy or cannot find one at the library. ] 00:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Lukashenko == | |||
| I didn't see that your edit related to material further down in the article. I just saw parts of the first paragraph being deleted. I have no objections to the Christian Science Monitor, but it is a very bad idea no the make any references to Luka's dictatorical regime in the first paragraph. It is not accusations; it is extremely well documented, and it is the most important part of his regime. Several of my friends have just been deported from Belarus because Lukashenko wants no foreign observers to witness the rigging of the current presidential election, and Lukashenko has threatened to "wring their necks" to anyone protesting against his election. In Belarus peaceful protestors are now treated with anti-terrorism laws! That country is simply a banana republic without bananas. That fact should not be hidden. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :There are references to the dictatorial regime in the first paragraph. The second sentence states, "his opponents, at home and abroad, accuse him of being dictatorial." I share your political point of view on Belarus. That being said, we have to avoid the temptation of advocacy, as Misplaced Pages's editorial position is supposed to be neutral. ] | ] 22:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Most of your edits to this page is of very good quality but I strongly disagree with you regarding the top paragraph. I've replied on my talk page. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Reversions reversions everywhere == | |||
| Hey there, | |||
| In an attempt to expand the pages on the Belarus revolutions, I keep running into your reversions. Although I realise that some may not seem notable (such as the students), you should assume some good faith as to where this is going. I was busy making a summary of different actions elsewhere using the jeans. Just knee-jerk reverting a minute later just halts the growth of the article rather than helping it. | |||
| Furthermore, I'd like to point your attention to . First let me say I find your edit summary unnecessarily demeaning. It is not "POV speculation", it just something which you think shouldnt go in. Please, dont throw around heavy terms as easily as that. The paragraph was inserted because this will be the main reason why people would look up Belarus at this time, and it deserves a prominent place. I strongly disagree with your removal of it, and even more strongly to the manner in which you have done so. | |||
| Greets, ]]] ] 08:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
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It's *very* nice to see your name again. :) SlimVirgin 22:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- It is nice to see you. I won't quibble about whether 172 is a name, exactly. >-;
Sovereign state
welcome back! Look, you need to read the article Sovereign state and all the talk on the talk page to understand where the opposition to your edits is coming from. I am not sure I agree with them, but they are actingin good faith and you better understand why and appreciate that fact. Slrubenstein | Talk 10:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have reverted page State to its former use as a disambig page. See previous discussion in Talk:Sovereign state#Requested move. If you want that decision to be re-discussed, I will start another formal move request discussion. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
How about changing the name of "Sovereign state" to "State (political)?" At least then we would be following the conventions of actual political anthropologists and political sociologists. Slrubenstein | Talk 16:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I think the best solution is to merge the current article with a better one. Any merge will atract some controversy, the solution is to make the destination page (the new article) so clearly superior. My advice to you is to solicit a partnership with JohnK. Discuss what kind of State(polity) would do justice to the title. I have very little to offer and I will offer all of it in a subpage to my userpage, just hang on. Anyway, create a subpage to your user page and work on a superior article, I really urge doing this hand in hand with John K. Make sure it complies to the letter with NPOV, NOR and V, and make sure that it is well-written and scholarly. Then propose the merge and pray that people see the logic in merging an inferior article into a superior article. Slrubenstein | Talk 18:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, this is the best I can offer you and I need to take a break:User:Slrubenstein/Hey 172!!.
My advice is to mull over this a few days and perhaps discuss it with John Kenney, I ask only that each of you think about it for a few days before any action. Then go ahead and make whatever changes you wish to the outline, and start writing. When he two of youhave an article you are both poud of I will comment on it. When it is clearly far superior, we for a merge. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
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I thnk someone with your understanding of politics ought to participate in this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Advisory_Council_on_Project_Development . Slrubenstein | Talk 13:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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Welcome back
I do hope you find the material I left for you useful.
On another note: I am leaving this message at talkpages a fairly random sample of people who oftn edit policy pages. You care about good content, and policies, so perhaps you can make a constructive contribution here: wp:Areas for Reform? I created this project after an acrimoneous RfC. So far it seems to be working as a way to channel constructive an focused analysis of specific problems, and potential solutions. Few have your commitment to a great enxyxlopedia, and experience with the various challenges in sustaining an ongoing open collaboration. I really hope you will "watch" this and pick one or teo areas near and dear to your heart to try to work on. Slrubenstein | Talk
the state
Hey, did you ever read over the material I laid out for you - content as well as ideas for organization of an article? Any feedback? Slrubenstein | Talk 17:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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Checkuser evidence has shown that you are the same person as User:Cognition, who has been banned since 2006. As a result, you have been blocked indefinitely. If you wish to appeal this block, please email the Arbitration Committee at arbcom-l
lists.wikimedia.org. Hersfold 23:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
- This is absolutely ridiculous. 172, who was a Misplaced Pages administrator whose account goes back to before Misplaced Pages was 2 years old, had written much of Misplaced Pages's historical content in its earlier years. He was also involved in blocking pro-LaRouche editors. Cognition, a very pro-LaRouche nutter, is a banned user, whose point of view contrasts with 172's. This is impossible. -J 216.241.55.204 (talk) 04:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- See discussion here. SlimVirgin 04:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- It is my belief that the account is compromised, because this seems impossible. If they are the same person, then Cognition would be a sockpuppet of 172, right? And why would 172 create that account anyway? So that he can have someone to paint LaRouche followers as lunatics? What?
- Also, I use an IP address which is used by many computers as well. My ISP provides residential and public computer services at casinos, and it uses the same IP address. Could this be the case? Because the majority of contributions listed as made by this IP address are not mine... -J 216.241.55.204 (talk) 05:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- I suspect we'll find either that 172's account was compromised, or that the accounts in question were using public computers, though CU indicates otherwise. A number of people are looking into this, so I'm sure it'll get sorted. SlimVirgin 06:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- Check user is not infallible. "A number of people" who believe this are not considering the potential for errors with the system. -J. 216.241.55.204 (talk) 07:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- A point:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&target=Cognition says that Cognition's first edit is 01:27, 29 June 2005 File:Kantportrait.JPG
- http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&target=172 says that 172's first edit is 09:46, 23 December 2002 User talk:172
- I do not see how User:Cognition can have created User:172 as a sockpuppet. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- True. But 172, an anti-Lyndon LaRouche editor, could have created Cognition as a pro-LaRouche stalking horse in order to discredit other editors with similar points of view. Whatever the case, they edit from two IPs, one of which is obviously shared with a number of unrelated editors, and one of which appears by every available test to be a residence. Even if this IP really is shared as well, be aware that there are at least 4 accounts involved, not just Cognition and 172, and consider whether it is likely Cognition, 172, Mrs. Breedlove and Tha-HGIsrqNA would all, just by coincidence, 1) work at the same employer, 2) frequent the same coffee shop or library, and 3) never edit from their own residence. Also, check the times of day that the accounts edit; is it plausible that none of these accounts has a home internet connection and every edit made by these 4 accounts is made from a workplace or public access point? Whatever the case, either the account has been engaged in long term deception, or Cognition hacked into 172's account, or 172 hacked into Cognition's account. Either way, indefinite blocking is appropriate pending a satisfactory explanation, if it ever comes. Thatcher 12:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- I do not see how User:Cognition can have created User:172 as a sockpuppet. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- Odd that I forgot it last year, but it is known that when 172 started in 2002 (and you probably know this, too), he was an AOL client with the IP addresses from the 172. ... block, hence his username of course (he listed those on his userpage).
If the addresses ascertained in August, 2009 (User:172, Cognition and co) where still of of the same block of AOL, the sock puppetry accusation would seem more plausible. If the provider had changed, we might consider that the account was hijacked by Cognition. (I noticed today an edit by an AOL user to an article in my watchlist, and this remined me of the 172 affair). Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 15:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
- Odd that I forgot it last year, but it is known that when 172 started in 2002 (and you probably know this, too), he was an AOL client with the IP addresses from the 172. ... block, hence his username of course (he listed those on his userpage).
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A Conspiracy
I am a long-time watcher of Misplaced Pages and other Wikis and I look at this case with great interest. Particularly users of extremist viewpoints are ones I have monitored most closely. What I will note is that some are saying this case of dual identity is unrealistic because they see Marxism and the ideology of Lyndon LaRouche as somehow polar opposites. Obviously this is not the case; for the first decades of his career in politics LaRouche was a Marxist if an unorthodox one, and during the period in which he shed the Marxist jargon the content of his ideas went nearly unchanged. We can note that LaRouche has in recent years attacked Karl Marx himself in somewhat severe terms as a British dupe (albeit possibly a well-intentioned one), but LaRouche has always from the 1970s until even recent weeks exalted the writings of Marxist Rosa Luxemburg in the highest possible terms: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/11296
LaRouche as an economist begins from a Marxist perspective, but unlike the Marxists does not imagine finance capital as merely being confined to a historical process. Rosa Luxemburg's writings surpass and supplant those of V.I. Lenin on the topic of imperialism through her understanding that capital can only thrive through constant exploitation of "primitive" pre-industrial economies and the steady surplus advantage this provides the exploiters. Luxemburg however posits that during this process of exploitation, these "primitive" economies themselves industrialize (a process we have seen occur in the cases of China and India), leaving the entire world in the mode of industrial production, upsetting the prior power balance whereby imperialism could occur, and effectively ending it. Luxemburg may be forgiven for not understanding that the forces of the accumulation of capital themselves could look ahead through this process and attempt to thwart it so that their advantage may be maintained.
LaRouche, for all of his faults which clearly are a great many, is the only economist starting from the perspective of Rosa Luxemburg who understands the process through which imperialism may continue to prosper through thwarting and even reversing industrial progress itself, a progress which Luxemburg assumed could only steadily advance over time. Certainly we can note that various policies taken against the nations of sub-Saharan Africa have prevented the development of even basic industrial infrastructure in that region; conversely we can note that the United States and Britain have themselves largely de-industrialized. The United States presently has a smaller manufacturing sector than it did 65 years ago when its population was a third of its present size. Largely but not entirely this has occurred through the impositions of phoney environmentalist movements, some of which (like the World Wildlife Fund) are not terribly subtle about the British imperial role they play.
This is a bit beside the point regarding the case at hand of the user 172, however. For those that monitor other Wikis, we may note a promulgation of extremist political speech occurring on many of them. I would like to point attention here to the Wiki Encyclopedia Dramatica, notorious home to a great deal of pornography and hate speech.
One of the most notorious users on this site maintains something very suspicious on his user page. (I am unable to link to this due to what appears to be a server block, but I am speaking of User:Cardinal_Contarini on encyclopediadramatica.com.)
"I am a historian focusing on international political economy."
One can note that here on Misplaced Pages, 172 identifies himself in exactly identical language. We can also note that this Cardinal_Contarini, responsible for the now-infamous "Madoff dollar bill" ("symbolizing our entire fraudulent Jew-controlled debt/monetary financial system"), makes edits over his user history to pages on that server regarding Lyndon LaRouche ("the most successful long-term economic forecaster on the planet, and correctly predicted the 2008 financial crisis") and even Chip Berlet, and engages in among the most severe anti-Semitic attacks seen across the entire internet (a difficult act to accomplish) but particularly focusing on a certain historical narrative of Jewish financial control. We would all do well to re-read Marx's "On The Jewish Question." Through charting certain sequences we can note that certain "memes" originating from this user have already influenced less "satirical" anti-Semites operating on the internet.
I doubt any of you observing this case understand at all what's actually happening. One Who Watches (talk) 17:56, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- I, for one, am totally confused. Can you shed any more light on it? SlimVirgin 05:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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