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== Landowner and Criminal Tribe which lead them OBC==
==Rename==
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1.The Criminal Tribes Act 1871 was posed widely as a measure to reform criminals socially through work. This got them a large amount of public support. The major caste groups considered ] by birth iincluded Lodhi.
The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''. ] (]) 10:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


2.According to the the book - Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India—Volume I.
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Short summary - https://qr.ae/psWHEu
] → {{no redirect|1=Lodhi}} — The article refers to them as "Lodhi", the "Rajput" seeming an unneccesary qualifier. Though there is a Batani Pashtun tribe called "Lodi", I don't see any other "Lodhi" to distinguish these Rajputs from. So propose moving to ] in the interests of having the most concise title. ] (]) 13:29, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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== Add in Notables ==
== Removing uncited legendary origin; can anyone source this? ==


https://en.wikipedia.org/Gulab_Singh_Lodhi#


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 January 2025 ==


{{edit semi-protected|Lodhi Rajput(caste)|answered=yes}}
I have searched but been unable to find any cites for the following. Can anyone source this?
] (]) 11:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
{{cquote|According to the Lodhis' legend about their origin,<ref name="Jaffrelot2003">{{cite book|author=Christophe Jaffrelot|title=India's silent revolution: the rise of the lower castes in North India|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=-rMW03l_gx0C&pg=PA486|accessdate=14 March 2011|year=2003|publisher=Hurst|isbn=9781850653981|page=486}}</ref> when ] (the sixth avatar of ]) was clearing the earth of the ] warrior class, the surviving Kshatriyas leaders sought protection from Mahesh{{Who|date=March 2011}} (])<!-- WHAT IS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THESE NAMES??? -->. Mahesh saved the Kshatriya from Parashuram, and ordered all of them (including Lodham) to choose farming instead of ''kshatra'' (weapons). As Mahesh saved the Lodhams from the atrocities of Parashuram he is worshiped as the ''Lodheswar Mahadev''<!-- IS THIS AN AVATAR OF SHIVA OR SOMETHING???? -->. {{reflist}}}}
(from Sanskrit rājaputra meaning "son of a king"), is a large multi-component cluster of castes, kin bodies, and local groups, sharing social status and ideology of genealogical descent originating from the northern part of the Indian subcontinent. The term Rajput covers various patrilineal clans historically associated with warriorhood: several clans claim Rajput status, although not all claims are universally accepted. According to modern scholars, almost all Rajput clans originated from peasant or pastoral communities.
] (]) 19:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
:] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 11:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Lodhi (also called lodh) is a clan name, some members of which ruled parts of North India at different times. They are Rajputs and claim Chandravanshi descent.
:Most of their population is primarily concentrated in MP and Western UP. There exists 84 villages of lodhi in Western UP alone. Besides, large areas in Northern Madhya Pradesh meaning "Fort of Ramgarh due to quite large population of lodhi Rajputs outside and its surrounding areas.
:History
:A historical mention of a Lodhi village chief (nagar chaudhari) occurs in Navalshah Chanderia's Vardhamana Purana, written in Samvat 1825. It mentions a Gajrath pratishtha function organized by Bhisham Sahu, an ancestor of the author in Samvat 1651 (1594 AD) when a temple at Bhelsi was consecrated. The temple built during the rule of the Bundela ruler Jujhar Singh, still exists.
:Maharani Avantibai Lodhi (16 August 1831 – 20 March 1858) was a queen-ruler and freedom fighter. She was the queen of the Ramgarh (present-day Dindori) in Madhya Pradesh. An opponent of the British East India Company during the Indian Rebellion of 1857, information concerning her is sparse and mostly comes from folklore. In 21st century, she has been used as a political icon in Lodhi community
:Avantibai Lodhi was born in Lodhi family on 16 August 1831 in Mankehadi village district Seoni in the house of Zamindar Rao Jujhar
:Singh. She was married to Prince Vikramaditya Singh Lodhi, the son of Raja Laxman Singh of Ramgarh (present-day Dindori). They had two children, Kunwar Aman Singh and Kunwar Sher Singh. In 1850 Raja Laxman Singh died and Raja Vikramaditya assumed the throne. Both his sons were still minor when the king became ill. As a Queen she efficiently administered state affairs. As the guardian of the minor sons, on hearing the news, the British took the action of "Court of Wards" to the state of Ramgarh and appointed Sheikh Sarbarahkar for the administration of the state. He along with Mohammed Abdullah were sent to Ramgarh. Considering this as an insult, the queen expelled Sarbarahkars from Ramgarh. In midst of this, the king died and the whole responsibility came onto queen. She ordered the farmers of the state not to obey the instructions of the British. This reform work increased the popularity of the queen.
:20th-century caste politics
:Members of the community developed a myth of origin, claiming that they are originally from Kazakhstan and that they were the only surviving kshatriyas following Parashurama's cleansing of the earth, thus enabling them to become kings.
:At the 1929 conference, the Akhil Bharatiya Lodhi-Kshatriya (Rajput) Mahasabha was drafted.The first part of the century also saw the publication of various books outlining Lodhi claims to the status of Rajput and Kshatriya, including the 1912 Maha Lodhi Vivechana and 1936 Lodhi Rajput Itihas.
:Notables
:Avanti Bai, a Lodhi queen of Ramgarh, now in Madhya Pradesh, who opposed the British in 1857 and is now a lodhi political icon.
:Kalyan Singh, Indian politician and a member of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) who served twice as the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh and as a Member of Parliament.
:Rammurti Singh Verma, former Member of Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly.
:Uma Bharti, former Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh. ] (]) 20:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


::{{not done}} - totally unsourced, and not in a "change X to Y" format, as clearly requested above - ] (]) 20:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:Mathew have you ever read rigveda, Manusmriti or Shiv pura if not than go it and see . You can have English translation of these oldest literature of HINDU/ Sanatan Religion. There u can find what lodhies are. I have already given few links. No where in Hindu scripture Lodhis are titled as Shudra, they are titled as warriors. U have read Jains book which has been written just 5 or 10 years back, you are give it as resource? Jains also have one gotra of Lodha,go and search it.It shows that these lodhas are converted to Jainism.


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 January 2025 (2) ==
:I can ready to give many sources <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:38, 14 September 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


{{edit extended-protected|Lodhi (caste)|answered=yes}}
] (]) 15:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Maharani Avantibai Lodhi (16 August 1831 – 20 March 1858) was a queen-ruler and freedom fighter. She was the queen of the Ramgarh (present-day Dindori) in Madhya Pradesh. An opponent of the British East India Company during the Indian Rebellion of 1857, information concerning her is sparse and mostly comes from folklore. In 21st century, she has been used as a political icon in Lodhi community.
Avantibai Lodhi was born in Lodhi family on 16 August 1831 in Mankehadi village district Seoni in the house of Zamindar Rao Jujhar Singh. She was married to Prince Vikramaditya Singh Lodhi, the son of Raja Laxman Singh of Ramgarh (present-day Dindori). They had two children, Kunwar Aman Singh and Kunwar Sher Singh. In 1850 Raja Laxman Singh died and Raja Vikramaditya assumed the throne. Both his sons were still minor when the king became ill. As a Queen she efficiently administered state affairs. As the guardian of the minor sons, on hearing the news, the British took the action of "Court of Wards" to the state of Ramgarh and appointed Sheikh Sarbarahkar for the administration of the state. He along with Mohammed Abdullah were sent to Ramgarh. Considering this as an insult, the queen expelled Sarbarahkars from Ramgarh. In midst of this, the king died and the whole responsibility came onto queen. She ordered the farmers of the state not to obey the instructions of the British. This reform work increased the popularity of the queen
Kshatriya (Sanskrit: क्षत्रिय, romanized: Kṣatriya) (from Sanskrit kṣatra, "rule, authority"; also called Rajanya) is one of the four varnas (social orders) of Hindu society and is associated with the warrior aristocracy. The Sanskrit term kṣatriyaḥ is used in the context of later Vedic society wherein members were organised into four classes: brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya, and shudra.
:] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> This looks like a copy+paste of a completely different wikipedia article but I could be wrong. ] (]) 15:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 January 2025 ==


{{edit extended-protected|Lodhi (caste)|answered=y}}
::I have read some parts of ''Rig Veda'' in translation but that is not really the point. We have a policy regarding ] here on Misplaced Pages and I am afraid that you are falling foul of it. We simply do not have the expertise to interpret what a primary source might say, to put it into context and to evaluate its accuracy etc. For this reason, we do not use them. We rely instead on ] and it is necessary that all statements added to articles are ] to such sources.
Lodhi (also called lodh) is a clan name, some members of which ruled parts of North India at different times. They are Rajputs and claim Chandravanshi descent.there main occupation is agricultural and now know as agriculturalists community in India.
::Your recent edits, and those of 5 September, relied either on primary sources or were completely unsourced & otherwise somewhat problematic. For this reason they have been reverted. I am pleased that you are now talking after the numerous warnings and attempts to engage you in conversation, but it does not alter the fact that the information which you have contributed is unsuitable in its current form. Given that you are now clearly ] and have broken the ] despite being forewarned about it, I would strongly suggest that you revert the article to its state prior to your most recent edits (the "undo" link should do it) & continue the discussion here. You are likely to be blocked from editing if you do not. Thanks. - ] (]) 20:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Most of their population is primarily concentrated in MP and Western UP. There exists 84 villages of lodhi in Western UP alone. Besides, large areas in Northern Madhya Pradesh meaning "Fort of Ramgarh due to quite large population of lodhi Rajputs outside and its surrounding areas.


The Lodhi are categorised as an Other Backward Class in 7 state
Dear Sitush/ Mathew Date – 17/9/2011
I don’t know who u r? if u r Indian u must read Ved, Purans, Sahmitas. I will give direct links.
If some body running such a site/ or editing, In Indian context he must have knowledge of Ved, Purans, Sahmitas etc, or if u do not have, hire such peoples.
I have created this page way back in 2008; resume it to its earliest condition, from then only we start discussion on Topic LODHI


History
Regards
A historical mention of a Lodhi village chief (nagar chaudhari) occurs in Navalshah Chanderia's Vardhamana Purana, written in Samvat 1825. It mentions a Gajrath pratishtha function organized by Bhisham Sahu, an ancestor of the author in Samvat 1651 (1594 AD) when a temple at Bhelsi was consecrated. The temple built during the rule of the Bundela ruler Jujhar Singh, still exists.


Maharani Avantibai Lodhi (16 August 1831 – 20 March 1858) was a queen-ruler and freedom fighter. She was the queen of the Ramgarh (present-day Dindori) in Madhya Pradesh. An opponent of the British East India Company during the Indian Rebellion of 1857, information concerning her is sparse and mostly comes from folklore. In 21st century, she has been used as a political icon in Lodhi community
Yogendra Singh Lodhi


Avantibai Lodhi was born in Lodhi family on 16 August 1831 in Mankehadi village district Seoni in the house of Zamindar Rao Jujhar
] (]) 12:05, 17 September 2011
Singh. She was married to Prince Vikramaditya Singh Lodhi, the son of Raja Laxman Singh of Ramgarh (present-day Dindori). They had two children, Kunwar Aman Singh and Kunwar Sher Singh. In 1850 Raja Laxman Singh died and Raja Vikramaditya assumed the throne. Both his sons were still minor when the king became ill. As a Queen she efficiently administered state affairs. As the guardian of the minor sons, on hearing the news, the British took the action of "Court of Wards" to the state of Ramgarh and appointed Sheikh Sarbarahkar for the administration of the state. He along with Mohammed Abdullah were sent to Ramgarh. Considering this as an insult, the queen expelled Sarbarahkars from Ramgarh. In midst of this, the king died and the whole responsibility came onto queen. She ordered the farmers of the state not to obey the instructions of the British. This reform work increased the popularity of the queen.


20th-century caste politics
:As explained above, we cannot use ]. You need to find some secondary sources that support your view and even then this does not necessarily mean that your view alone is shown in the article. If there is more than one opinion among ] then we must reflect the various opinions, not whitewash the article with one or another of them. Thanks. - ] (]) 06:35, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Members of the community developed a myth of origin, claiming that they are originally from Kazakhstan and that they were the only surviving kshatriyas following Parashurama's cleansing of the earth, thus enabling them to become kings.
At the 1929 conference, the Akhil Bharatiya Lodhi-Kshatriya (Rajput) Mahasabha was drafted.The first part of the century also saw the publication of various books outlining Lodhi claims to the status of Rajput and Kshatriya, including the 1912 Maha Lodhi Vivechana and 1936 Lodhi Rajput Itihas.


Notables
::''If there is more than one opinion among ] then we must reflect the various opinions,...'' I don't agree. All the caste articles are stinking because of attitude like this. It makes no sense to say X says A, Y says B, Z says C.... What can the reader make of it?] ] 07:11, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Avanti Bai, a Lodhi queen of Ramgarh, now in Madhya Pradesh, who opposed the British in 1857 and is now a lodhi political icon.
Kalyan Singh, Indian politician and a member of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) who served twice as the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh and as a Member of Parliament.
Rammurti Singh Verma, former Member of Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly.
Uma Bharti, former Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh. ] (]) 20:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)


:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".<br />More importantly, you have not cited ] to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - ] (]) 20:29, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:::MangoWong, you may not agree but ] is correct here. If there is disagreement among the ] then all we can do is reflect this disagreement. It's not up to us to decide the "truth" of the matter, even if we believe we know what it is. ] ] 23:19, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 January 2025 (2) ==
::::Hi Kim Dent-Brown. I happen to have familiarized myself with ]. I have no difficulty with NPOV and I like it. However, is it OK to cook up a sentence of the type "X says A, Y says B, Z says C..." by doing misrepresentations on passing comments from unreliable sources which we did not/could not read ?] ] 23:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC) When I read ] and ], besides other points, I gather that:
{{edit extended-protected|Lodhi (caste)|answered=yes}}
::::*Misrepresentations is not allowed.
The '''Lodhi''' (or '''Lodha''', '''Lodh''') is a community of agriculturalists, found in India. There are many in ], to where they had emigrated from ].<ref>{{cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=hWtDAAAAYAAJ |title=Encyclopaedia Indica |volume=2 |page=737 |last=Sharma |first=Jagdish Saran |year=1981}}</ref> The Lodhi are categorised as an ],{{efn|In the following Indian states: ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and ].<ref>{{Cite web |title=National Commission for Backward Classes |url=http://ncbc.nic.in/User_Panel/CentralListStateView.aspx |access-date=2023-04-11 |website=ncbc.nic.in}}</ref>}} but claim ] ties and prefer to be known as "Lodhi-Rajput",<ref>{{cite book|title=Opposition in a Dominant-Party System|url=https://archive.org/details/oppositionindomi0000burg|url-access=registration|first=Angela Sutherland |last=Burger |year=1969|publisher=University of California Press|page=}}</ref> although they have no account of their Rajput origin or prevailing Rajput traditions.<ref>{{cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=lYSd-3yL9h0C&pg=PA400 |title=The Castes and Tribes of H.E.H. the Nizam's Dominions, Volume 1 | publisher=Asian Educational Services |author=Syed Siraj ul Hassan |year=1920 |page=400 |isbn=978-8-12060-488-9}}</ref>
::::*Whatever is adduced from passing comments is OR.
::::*Unreliable sources should not be used.
::::*We must be having an EXPLICIT sources for whatever we say. Unclear statements will not do.
::::*Coufusing statements cannot be used as sources.
::::Is it right to ditch all these points?] ] 00:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


;Etymology
:::::Please can you explain where in the article your above points apply? We have, of course, gone through this general issue on several other articles but feel free to start over on this one. At least we will then be moving forward. - ] (]) 00:25, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
], an administrator of the ], described several possible etymologies for ''Lodhi'', including derivation from ''lod'' ("clod"), or ''lodh'', a tree whose bark the Lodhi of Northern India gather to make dye. Russell also stated that ''Lodha'' was the original term, later corrupted to ''Lodhi'' in the ].<ref name="Russell">{{cite book|first1=Robert Vane |last1=Russell |first2=Rai Bahadur Hira |last2=Lal|title=The tribes and castes of the central provinces of India|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=76c1VSYnPE0C&pg=PA114|orig-year=1916|year=1993|publisher=Asian Educational Services|isbn=978-8-12060-833-7|page=114|volume=1}}</ref> Another theory derives the name from the ], supposing it the Lodhi homeland.<ref name=autogenerated1>{{cite book |chapter-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=jUwFL3IipK0C&pg=PA71 |page=71 |title=Dimensions of Human Cultures in Central India |editor1-first=A. A. |editor1-last=Abbasi |editor2-first=Shiv Kumar |editor2-last=Tiwari |first=J. P. |last=Mishra |chapter=A Demographic Study of Jabalpur |publisher=Sarup & Sons |year=2001 |isbn=978-817625-186-0}}</ref>


;History
::::::You guys never seem to see any value in any of these points, even when the misrepresentation/ passing comment/ unreliable source concerns are plainly clear. So, it is important to first establish the value of these points. Let us first see what Kim Dent-Brown has to say on this.] ] 01:24, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
A historical mention of a Lodhi village chief (nagar chaudhari) occurs in Navalshah Chanderia's Vardhamana Purana, written in ] 1825. It mentions a Gajrath pratishtha function organized by Bhisham Sahu, an ancestor of the author in Samvat 1651 (1594 AD) when a temple at Bhelsi was consecrated.<ref>Shilalekhin me Golapurvanvaya, Parmananda Jain Shastri, Anekanta, V. 24, No. 3, July 1971, p. 102-109</ref> The temple built during the rule of the Bundela ruler Jujhar Singh, still exists.<ref></ref>
::::::To avoid duplication, please refer to my 03:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC) comment below. Will post it here too if needed.] ] 03:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


British sources described the Lodhi as "immigrants from the ]", who spread from that area, and in doing so were able to raise their social status, becoming landholders and local rulers ranking only below the ], Rajput, and ]. Some of these large landholders gained the title of ], and some Lodhi families in Damoh and Sagar were labeled as ]s, ]s and ]s by the ].<ref name=autogenerated1 /> These now-powerful Lodhi played a significant role in the 1842 Bundela rising.<ref>{{cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=puK1AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA8 |title=The Bundela Rebellion |first=Jai Prakash |last=Mishra |publisher=Sundeep |year=1982 |page=8}}</ref>
== Shudra ==


;20th-century caste politics
I have reinserted the content relating to the shudra term that was recently removed by {{u|MangoWong}}, and amended the statement slightly by specifying that this is a former classification and detailing that it was per the varna system. It is a statement of fact supported by a reliable source and therefore has its place in this article. And, before you ask, one sentence supported such as in this context is never undue weight. - ] (]) 10:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Members of the community developed a ], claiming that they are originally from ] and that they were the only surviving ]s following ]'s cleansing of the earth, thus enabling them to become kings.<ref>{{cite book |title=India's Silent Revolution: The Rise of the Lower Castes in North India |first=Christophe |last=Jaffrelot |author-link=Christophe Jaffrelot |publisher=C. Hurst & Co. |year=2003 |isbn=978-1-85065-670-8 |page=486 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=OAkW94DtUMAC&pg=PA486}}</ref>


Following the ], the Lodhi began to further organise politically, and prior to the 1921 census claimed the name ''Lodhi-Rajput'' at a conference in ].<ref>{{cite book |title=Extending frontiers of sociological learning |first=Brij Raj |last=Chauhan |others=Meerut University. Institute of Advanced Studies |publisher=Dept. of Sociology, Institute of Advanced Studies, Meerut University |year=1980 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=YkAtAAAAIAAJ |page=63 |quote=The claim of a new caste name 'Lodhi-Rajput' was made at an All India conference, held at Fathegarh before 1921. The history of Lodhi organization is about 57 years old.}}</ref> At the 1929 conference, the ''Akhil Bharatiya Lodhi-Kshatriya (Rajput) Mahasabha'' was drafted.<ref>{{cite book |title=Extending frontiers of sociological learning |first=Brij Raj |last=Chauhan |others=Meerut University. Institute of Advanced Studies |publisher=Dept. of Sociology, Institute of Advanced Studies, Meerut University |year=1980 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=YkAtAAAAIAAJ |page=55}}</ref> The first part of the century also saw the publication of various books outlining Lodhi claims to the status of Rajput and Kshatriya, including the 1912 ''Maha Lodhi Vivechana'' and 1936 ''Lodhi Rajput Itihas''.<ref>{{cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=jWhq-8nNnqcC&pg=PA25 |title=Fascinating Hindutva: Saffron Politics and Dalit Mobilisation |first=Badri |last=Narayan |publisher=SAGE Publications |year=2009 |isbn=978-8-17829-906-8 |page=25}}</ref>
:I have further reverted recent removals of the information noted above, which was replaced by a long list and by a statement which seemed to rely on a primary source (Rig Veda). Please can we discuss such changes here before applying them to the article. They may be correct, but the manner in which they are being displayed is awkward. Thanks. - ] (]) 19:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
::]. To imply certainty when reliable sources disagree, or to pick one message out of many contradictory ones, is deeply unencylopædic. However, undue weight ''can'' be a concern... it may be appropriate to put that text in a less prominent part of the article, and different wording could be helpful. ] (]) 15:43, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
:::The article currently reflects the input of someone who is at ] for edit warring on this issue. It is dreadful as a consequence. A general solution that has emerged in recent weeks where the ] status is disputed involves having a single sentence in the lead that says just that, with elucidation in the body. This does, of course, depend on there being reliable sources for the several opinions: if there is only one opinion per ] then the issue can be noted as a direct statement in the lead, as usually happens when a caste is kshatriya (and as is usually wanted when a caste claims that status despite the alternate RS opinion of shudra, or whatever). - ] (]) 15:52, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah. Now it doesn't - the unreliably sourced version has been removed again. - ] (]) 15:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


;Notables
:::Hi Bobrayner. I do have a "due weight" concern here. But it is not about which caste should be noted as which varna. My concern is that this whole varna status debate is an artificial construct and exists only on WP. No such debate exists among secondary sources. We should not be be ''creating'' a debate (and give it artificial importance) where no such debate exists in reality? The caste articles give the impression that there ''is'' a debate/ dispute of this sort. There is no such debate or dispute in reality. The impression which these articles give is in contradiction with reality.] ] 01:07, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
* ], a Lodhi queen of ], now in Madhya Pradesh, who opposed the British in 1857 and is now a ] political icon<ref>{{cite journal |title=Dalit 'Viranganas' and Reinvention of 1857 |first=Charu |last=Gupta |journal=Economic and Political Weekly |volume=42 |issue=19 |date=18 May 2007 |page=1742 |jstor=4419579}}</ref>
:::This debate/dispute is sourced from passing comments (besides having other problems) almost 100% of the time. Anything sourced from passing comments is OR. This alone shows that this whole debate/dispute is an artificial construct, does not exist in reality, and is completely OR.] ] 02:29, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
* ], Indian politician and a member of the ] (BJP) who served twice as the ] and as a ].<ref>{{cite book|last=Srinivas|first=MN|year=2000|title=Caste: Its 20Th Century Avatar|publisher=Penguin Books Limited|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=WAESBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT17|page=17}}</ref>
* ], former Member of Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://upvidhansabhaproceedings.gov.in/member?memberId=19359|website=Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly|title=Rammurti Singh Verma|access-date=25 July 2023|archive-date=25 July 2023|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230725180849/https://upvidhansabhaproceedings.gov.in/member?memberId=19359|url-status=live}}</ref>
* ], former Chief Minister of ]<ref>{{cite news |title=Uma Bharti in Aap Ki Adalat (Part 1) |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEySH2_1LPg |access-date=10 August 2023 |work=India TV News |quote=See from 10:12 to !0:16, "I belong to Lodhi caste"}}</ref>


:::Please see ]<blockquote>...In general, article statements should not rely on unclear or inconsistent passages, or on '''passing comments'''. Passages open to multiple interpretations should be precisely cited or avoided. '''A summary of extensive discussion''' should reflect the '''conclusions of the source'''. Drawing conclusions not evident in the reference '''is original research regardless of the type of source'''...(emphasis mine)</blockquote>. Almost all of the varna debate in caste articles is OR. I regard OR, misrepresentation, off topic sources, cherry picked material, passing comments, confusing material, etc. as encyclopedic poison.] ] 03:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


To change into
:::Is it proper to harbor half baked information even when it is clearly against the core policies to do so?] ] 04:23, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


Lodhi (also called lodh) is a clan name, some members of which ruled parts of North India at different times. They are Rajputs and claim Chandravanshi descent.
:::MangoWong, the reason that I and others are finding you grating is that you perpetually make identical arguments such as the above, and don't actually provide any constructive debate. You have been explicitly told multiple times that if A says 1 and B says 2 and C says three, we can say "sources disagree" and that's not OR, but you keep insisting it is. Take it to DR or hold your peace, as this is simply repetitive. Further, both Sitush and I when debunking bad refs will list them, quote them, and explain why they are improper, whereas you drop by a dozen pages and say "all these refs are terrible... no I don't need to explain why, they're just bad". You go on and on about "cherry picking", "endemic bias" etc. and then refuse to actually follow through. How about you pick an article, list out the references you don't like, and we can have an actual conversation vice just hearing you make identical complaints over and over again without actually debunking a ref, providing a better ref, or DRing "terrible editors" like myself, who has apparently ruined what was a wonderful Lodhi article prior to my arrival. ] (]) 04:30, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Most of their population is primarily concentrated in MP and Western UP. There exists 84 villages of lodhi in Western UP alone. Besides, large areas in Northern Madhya Pradesh meaning "Fort of Ramgarh due to quite large population of lodhi Rajputs outside and its surrounding areas.
History
A historical mention of a Lodhi village chief (nagar chaudhari) occurs in Navalshah Chanderia's Vardhamana Purana, written in Samvat 1825. It mentions a Gajrath pratishtha function organized by Bhisham Sahu, an ancestor of the author in Samvat 1651 (1594 AD) when a temple at Bhelsi was consecrated. The temple built during the rule of the Bundela ruler Jujhar Singh, still exists.


Maharani Avantibai Lodhi (16 August 1831 – 20 March 1858) was a queen-ruler and freedom fighter. She was the queen of the Ramgarh (present-day Dindori) in Madhya Pradesh. An opponent of the British East India Company during the Indian Rebellion of 1857, information concerning her is sparse and mostly comes from folklore. In 21st century, she has been used as a political icon in Lodhi community
::::Don't try to create the impression that I have been making empty complaints. I have been taking down pieces of OR lies, misrepresentations and undue material etc. etc. from ], ] articles. Don't deny it. I will come down to specifics here too. But I am waiting for uninvolved users to say something on the piece of policy on passing comments etc. which I have quoted here. I have an uncompromising attitude towards half baked knowledge from passing comments etc. These caste articles are having most of the material from passing comments only. There can be no compromise on policy requirements. To compromise there would be to compromise the WP goals of building a reliable knowledge bank i.e. a high quality encyclopedia. We don't want to build a poor quality encyclopedia, do we? It is important to establish the working principles before we get down to the specifics.] ] 09:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


Avantibai Lodhi was born in Lodhi family on 16 August 1831 in Mankehadi village district Seoni in the house of Zamindar Rao Jujhar
:::::The principles you refer to are the WP policies. That is a known. What is not known are your policy-based objections to specific points made in this article. - ] (]) 09:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Singh. She was married to Prince Vikramaditya Singh Lodhi, the son of Raja Laxman Singh of Ramgarh (present-day Dindori). They had two children, Kunwar Aman Singh and Kunwar Sher Singh. In 1850 Raja Laxman Singh died and Raja Vikramaditya assumed the throne. Both his sons were still minor when the king became ill. As a Queen she efficiently administered state affairs. As the guardian of the minor sons, on hearing the news, the British took the action of "Court of Wards" to the state of Ramgarh and appointed Sheikh Sarbarahkar for the administration of the state. He along with Mohammed Abdullah were sent to Ramgarh. Considering this as an insult, the queen expelled Sarbarahkars from Ramgarh. In midst of this, the king died and the whole responsibility came onto queen. She ordered the farmers of the state not to obey the instructions of the British. This reform work increased the popularity of the queen.


20th-century caste politics
::::::The working principles are not clear. MatthewVanitas seems to be saying that if we have a situation where A says 1, B says 2, C says 3, it is OK to say that there is a dispute about what they say. What I am saying is that doing this is not OK when all A, B, C do is to make <u>passing comments</u> about something. A disagreement among passing comments is not a disagreement and we need not note such a disagreement. Whatever is sourced from passing comments is OR, as I have explained through my policy based comment above.03:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC) If all three comments from A, B, C are passing comments, and we say "X thing is disputed" from them, it is a second level OR. This is like doing OR-- on OR, and this too is against policy. There is no source for any "dispute" statement. This dispute exists on WP only. It is WP's creation and does not exist in reality. This may be a difficult nettle to grasp, but is not so complicated either. We are not only sourcing things from passing comments, we are also going beyond what the sources say. My main concern is whether it is proper to source material from passing comments. This is what I want the uninvolved eds to opine on. ''Then'' we will get down to the specifics. What's the hurry? Please wait for them to comment.] ] 11:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC) All the "disputed status" material on caste articles seems to be sourced from passing comments only. This is the root of most problems on caste articles. We need not even look at passing comments as "sources".] ] 11:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Members of the community developed a myth of origin, claiming that they are originally from Kazakhstan and that they were the only surviving kshatriyas following Parashurama's cleansing of the earth, thus enabling them to become kings.
At the 1929 conference, the Akhil Bharatiya Lodhi-Kshatriya (Rajput) Mahasabha was drafted.The first part of the century also saw the publication of various books outlining Lodhi claims to the status of Rajput and Kshatriya, including the 1912 Maha Lodhi Vivechana and 1936 Lodhi Rajput Itihas.


Notables
:::::::Please provide some examples. It is easier to work in a framework of examples than in a theoretical situation. Just assume for once that we're all pulling in the same direction regarding policy, since we can always refer any dispute about policy interpretation to ] etc if it remains a sticking point. If you want a meta-conversation about the merits of policy etc then the various forums available for that have been explained to you on several occasions in the past. This talk page is for discussion of this article, not some generic policy arguments. - ] (]) 11:31, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Avanti Bai, a Lodhi queen of Ramgarh, now in Madhya Pradesh, who opposed the British in 1857 and is now a lodhi political icon.
Kalyan Singh, Indian politician and a member of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) who served twice as the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh and as a Member of Parliament.
Rammurti Singh Verma, former Member of Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly.
Uma Bharti, former Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh. ] (]) 20:39, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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:{{notdone}} Can't make such a large change that too to longstanding sourced content with your unsourced and POV content. - ] (]) 21:10, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
== Distribution? Bengal? Lodhi/Lodi/Lodha/Lodh? ==

I seem to be mostly seeing metion of the Lodhi being in Madhya Pradesh, but one or two refs have alluded to their being in Bengal as well; anyone have any fidelity on that? The problem I keep encountering is that the Afghan/Pushtun "Lodi" dynasty can also be spelled "Lodhi", so we need to ensure we don't conflate the two. I don't recall seeing anything suggesting the Bundela and Afghan Lodhis have anything in common other than similar names, but I'm seeing some debate as to whether Lodhi, Lodha, and Lodh are the same, related, or different. ] (]) 17:04, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

:Argh! Transliteration again. Would this issue be worth raising at ] ? There may be subtleties in the "native" (sorry) spelling that are lost. - ] (]) 00:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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Landowner and Criminal Tribe which lead them OBC

1.The Criminal Tribes Act 1871 was posed widely as a measure to reform criminals socially through work. This got them a large amount of public support. The major caste groups considered criminal by birth iincluded Lodhi.

2.According to the the book - Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India—Volume I. Short summary - https://qr.ae/psWHEu

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(from Sanskrit rājaputra meaning "son of a king"), is a large multi-component cluster of castes, kin bodies, and local groups, sharing social status and ideology of genealogical descent originating from the northern part of the Indian subcontinent. The term Rajput covers various patrilineal clans historically associated with warriorhood: several clans claim Rajput status, although not all claims are universally accepted. According to modern scholars, almost all Rajput clans originated from peasant or pastoral communities.
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ultraodan (talk) 11:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Lodhi (also called lodh) is a clan name, some members of which ruled parts of North India at different times. They are Rajputs and claim Chandravanshi descent.
Most of their population is primarily concentrated in MP and Western UP. There exists 84 villages of lodhi in Western UP alone. Besides, large areas in Northern Madhya Pradesh meaning "Fort of Ramgarh due to quite large population of lodhi Rajputs outside and its surrounding areas.
History
A historical mention of a Lodhi village chief (nagar chaudhari) occurs in Navalshah Chanderia's Vardhamana Purana, written in Samvat 1825. It mentions a Gajrath pratishtha function organized by Bhisham Sahu, an ancestor of the author in Samvat 1651 (1594 AD) when a temple at Bhelsi was consecrated. The temple built during the rule of the Bundela ruler Jujhar Singh, still exists.
Maharani Avantibai Lodhi (16 August 1831 – 20 March 1858) was a queen-ruler and freedom fighter. She was the queen of the Ramgarh (present-day Dindori) in Madhya Pradesh. An opponent of the British East India Company during the Indian Rebellion of 1857, information concerning her is sparse and mostly comes from folklore. In 21st century, she has been used as a political icon in Lodhi community
Avantibai Lodhi was born in Lodhi family on 16 August 1831 in Mankehadi village district Seoni in the house of Zamindar Rao Jujhar
Singh. She was married to Prince Vikramaditya Singh Lodhi, the son of Raja Laxman Singh of Ramgarh (present-day Dindori). They had two children, Kunwar Aman Singh and Kunwar Sher Singh. In 1850 Raja Laxman Singh died and Raja Vikramaditya assumed the throne. Both his sons were still minor when the king became ill. As a Queen she efficiently administered state affairs. As the guardian of the minor sons, on hearing the news, the British took the action of "Court of Wards" to the state of Ramgarh and appointed Sheikh Sarbarahkar for the administration of the state. He along with Mohammed Abdullah were sent to Ramgarh. Considering this as an insult, the queen expelled Sarbarahkars from Ramgarh. In midst of this, the king died and the whole responsibility came onto queen. She ordered the farmers of the state not to obey the instructions of the British. This reform work increased the popularity of the queen.
20th-century caste politics
Members of the community developed a myth of origin, claiming that they are originally from Kazakhstan and that they were the only surviving kshatriyas following Parashurama's cleansing of the earth, thus enabling them to become kings.
At the 1929 conference, the Akhil Bharatiya Lodhi-Kshatriya (Rajput) Mahasabha was drafted.The first part of the century also saw the publication of various books outlining Lodhi claims to the status of Rajput and Kshatriya, including the 1912 Maha Lodhi Vivechana and 1936 Lodhi Rajput Itihas.
Notables
Avanti Bai, a Lodhi queen of Ramgarh, now in Madhya Pradesh, who opposed the British in 1857 and is now a lodhi political icon.
Kalyan Singh, Indian politician and a member of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) who served twice as the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh and as a Member of Parliament.
Rammurti Singh Verma, former Member of Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly.
Uma Bharti, former Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh. Siddharthaavermaaa (talk) 20:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
 Not done - totally unsourced, and not in a "change X to Y" format, as clearly requested above - Arjayay (talk) 20:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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Maharani Avantibai Lodhi (16 August 1831 – 20 March 1858) was a queen-ruler and freedom fighter. She was the queen of the Ramgarh (present-day Dindori) in Madhya Pradesh. An opponent of the British East India Company during the Indian Rebellion of 1857, information concerning her is sparse and mostly comes from folklore. In 21st century, she has been used as a political icon in Lodhi community. Avantibai Lodhi was born in Lodhi family on 16 August 1831 in Mankehadi village district Seoni in the house of Zamindar Rao Jujhar Singh. She was married to Prince Vikramaditya Singh Lodhi, the son of Raja Laxman Singh of Ramgarh (present-day Dindori). They had two children, Kunwar Aman Singh and Kunwar Sher Singh. In 1850 Raja Laxman Singh died and Raja Vikramaditya assumed the throne. Both his sons were still minor when the king became ill. As a Queen she efficiently administered state affairs. As the guardian of the minor sons, on hearing the news, the British took the action of "Court of Wards" to the state of Ramgarh and appointed Sheikh Sarbarahkar for the administration of the state. He along with Mohammed Abdullah were sent to Ramgarh. Considering this as an insult, the queen expelled Sarbarahkars from Ramgarh. In midst of this, the king died and the whole responsibility came onto queen. She ordered the farmers of the state not to obey the instructions of the British. This reform work increased the popularity of the queen Kshatriya (Sanskrit: क्षत्रिय, romanized: Kṣatriya) (from Sanskrit kṣatra, "rule, authority"; also called Rajanya) is one of the four varnas (social orders) of Hindu society and is associated with the warrior aristocracy. The Sanskrit term kṣatriyaḥ is used in the context of later Vedic society wherein members were organised into four classes: brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya, and shudra.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. This looks like a copy+paste of a completely different wikipedia article but I could be wrong. Ultraodan (talk) 15:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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Lodhi (also called lodh) is a clan name, some members of which ruled parts of North India at different times. They are Rajputs and claim Chandravanshi descent.there main occupation is agricultural and now know as agriculturalists community in India. Most of their population is primarily concentrated in MP and Western UP. There exists 84 villages of lodhi in Western UP alone. Besides, large areas in Northern Madhya Pradesh meaning "Fort of Ramgarh due to quite large population of lodhi Rajputs outside and its surrounding areas.

The Lodhi are categorised as an Other Backward Class in 7 state

History A historical mention of a Lodhi village chief (nagar chaudhari) occurs in Navalshah Chanderia's Vardhamana Purana, written in Samvat 1825. It mentions a Gajrath pratishtha function organized by Bhisham Sahu, an ancestor of the author in Samvat 1651 (1594 AD) when a temple at Bhelsi was consecrated. The temple built during the rule of the Bundela ruler Jujhar Singh, still exists.

Maharani Avantibai Lodhi (16 August 1831 – 20 March 1858) was a queen-ruler and freedom fighter. She was the queen of the Ramgarh (present-day Dindori) in Madhya Pradesh. An opponent of the British East India Company during the Indian Rebellion of 1857, information concerning her is sparse and mostly comes from folklore. In 21st century, she has been used as a political icon in Lodhi community

Avantibai Lodhi was born in Lodhi family on 16 August 1831 in Mankehadi village district Seoni in the house of Zamindar Rao Jujhar Singh. She was married to Prince Vikramaditya Singh Lodhi, the son of Raja Laxman Singh of Ramgarh (present-day Dindori). They had two children, Kunwar Aman Singh and Kunwar Sher Singh. In 1850 Raja Laxman Singh died and Raja Vikramaditya assumed the throne. Both his sons were still minor when the king became ill. As a Queen she efficiently administered state affairs. As the guardian of the minor sons, on hearing the news, the British took the action of "Court of Wards" to the state of Ramgarh and appointed Sheikh Sarbarahkar for the administration of the state. He along with Mohammed Abdullah were sent to Ramgarh. Considering this as an insult, the queen expelled Sarbarahkars from Ramgarh. In midst of this, the king died and the whole responsibility came onto queen. She ordered the farmers of the state not to obey the instructions of the British. This reform work increased the popularity of the queen.

20th-century caste politics Members of the community developed a myth of origin, claiming that they are originally from Kazakhstan and that they were the only surviving kshatriyas following Parashurama's cleansing of the earth, thus enabling them to become kings. At the 1929 conference, the Akhil Bharatiya Lodhi-Kshatriya (Rajput) Mahasabha was drafted.The first part of the century also saw the publication of various books outlining Lodhi claims to the status of Rajput and Kshatriya, including the 1912 Maha Lodhi Vivechana and 1936 Lodhi Rajput Itihas.

Notables Avanti Bai, a Lodhi queen of Ramgarh, now in Madhya Pradesh, who opposed the British in 1857 and is now a lodhi political icon. Kalyan Singh, Indian politician and a member of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) who served twice as the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh and as a Member of Parliament. Rammurti Singh Verma, former Member of Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly. Uma Bharti, former Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh. Siddharthaavermaaa (talk) 20:24, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 20:29, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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The Lodhi (or Lodha, Lodh) is a community of agriculturalists, found in India. There are many in Madhya Pradesh, to where they had emigrated from Uttar Pradesh. The Lodhi are categorised as an Other Backward Class, but claim Rajput ties and prefer to be known as "Lodhi-Rajput", although they have no account of their Rajput origin or prevailing Rajput traditions.

Etymology

Robert Vane Russell, an administrator of the British Raj, described several possible etymologies for Lodhi, including derivation from lod ("clod"), or lodh, a tree whose bark the Lodhi of Northern India gather to make dye. Russell also stated that Lodha was the original term, later corrupted to Lodhi in the Central Provinces. Another theory derives the name from the district of Ludhiana, supposing it the Lodhi homeland.

History

A historical mention of a Lodhi village chief (nagar chaudhari) occurs in Navalshah Chanderia's Vardhamana Purana, written in Samvat 1825. It mentions a Gajrath pratishtha function organized by Bhisham Sahu, an ancestor of the author in Samvat 1651 (1594 AD) when a temple at Bhelsi was consecrated. The temple built during the rule of the Bundela ruler Jujhar Singh, still exists.

British sources described the Lodhi as "immigrants from the United Provinces", who spread from that area, and in doing so were able to raise their social status, becoming landholders and local rulers ranking only below the Brahmin, Rajput, and Bania. Some of these large landholders gained the title of thakur, and some Lodhi families in Damoh and Sagar were labeled as rajas, diwans and lambardars by the Raja of Panna. These now-powerful Lodhi played a significant role in the 1842 Bundela rising.

20th-century caste politics

Members of the community developed a myth of origin, claiming that they are originally from Kazakhstan and that they were the only surviving kshatriyas following Parashurama's cleansing of the earth, thus enabling them to become kings.

Following the 1911 census of India, the Lodhi began to further organise politically, and prior to the 1921 census claimed the name Lodhi-Rajput at a conference in Fatehgarh. At the 1929 conference, the Akhil Bharatiya Lodhi-Kshatriya (Rajput) Mahasabha was drafted. The first part of the century also saw the publication of various books outlining Lodhi claims to the status of Rajput and Kshatriya, including the 1912 Maha Lodhi Vivechana and 1936 Lodhi Rajput Itihas.

Notables


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Lodhi (also called lodh) is a clan name, some members of which ruled parts of North India at different times. They are Rajputs and claim Chandravanshi descent. Most of their population is primarily concentrated in MP and Western UP. There exists 84 villages of lodhi in Western UP alone. Besides, large areas in Northern Madhya Pradesh meaning "Fort of Ramgarh due to quite large population of lodhi Rajputs outside and its surrounding areas. History A historical mention of a Lodhi village chief (nagar chaudhari) occurs in Navalshah Chanderia's Vardhamana Purana, written in Samvat 1825. It mentions a Gajrath pratishtha function organized by Bhisham Sahu, an ancestor of the author in Samvat 1651 (1594 AD) when a temple at Bhelsi was consecrated. The temple built during the rule of the Bundela ruler Jujhar Singh, still exists.

Maharani Avantibai Lodhi (16 August 1831 – 20 March 1858) was a queen-ruler and freedom fighter. She was the queen of the Ramgarh (present-day Dindori) in Madhya Pradesh. An opponent of the British East India Company during the Indian Rebellion of 1857, information concerning her is sparse and mostly comes from folklore. In 21st century, she has been used as a political icon in Lodhi community

Avantibai Lodhi was born in Lodhi family on 16 August 1831 in Mankehadi village district Seoni in the house of Zamindar Rao Jujhar Singh. She was married to Prince Vikramaditya Singh Lodhi, the son of Raja Laxman Singh of Ramgarh (present-day Dindori). They had two children, Kunwar Aman Singh and Kunwar Sher Singh. In 1850 Raja Laxman Singh died and Raja Vikramaditya assumed the throne. Both his sons were still minor when the king became ill. As a Queen she efficiently administered state affairs. As the guardian of the minor sons, on hearing the news, the British took the action of "Court of Wards" to the state of Ramgarh and appointed Sheikh Sarbarahkar for the administration of the state. He along with Mohammed Abdullah were sent to Ramgarh. Considering this as an insult, the queen expelled Sarbarahkars from Ramgarh. In midst of this, the king died and the whole responsibility came onto queen. She ordered the farmers of the state not to obey the instructions of the British. This reform work increased the popularity of the queen.

20th-century caste politics Members of the community developed a myth of origin, claiming that they are originally from Kazakhstan and that they were the only surviving kshatriyas following Parashurama's cleansing of the earth, thus enabling them to become kings. At the 1929 conference, the Akhil Bharatiya Lodhi-Kshatriya (Rajput) Mahasabha was drafted.The first part of the century also saw the publication of various books outlining Lodhi claims to the status of Rajput and Kshatriya, including the 1912 Maha Lodhi Vivechana and 1936 Lodhi Rajput Itihas.

Notables Avanti Bai, a Lodhi queen of Ramgarh, now in Madhya Pradesh, who opposed the British in 1857 and is now a lodhi political icon. Kalyan Singh, Indian politician and a member of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) who served twice as the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh and as a Member of Parliament. Rammurti Singh Verma, former Member of Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly. Uma Bharti, former Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh. Siddharthaavermaaa (talk) 20:39, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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  8. भेलसी में शांतिनाथ प्राचीन दक्षिणमुखी जैन मंदिर श्रद्घालुओं की आस्था का केंद्र, nai Dunia, 04 Dec 2019
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 Not done Can't make such a large change that too to longstanding sourced content with your unsourced and POV content. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2025 (UTC)


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