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Article milestones Date Process Result May 1, 2004 Peer review Reviewed May 14, 2004 Featured article candidate Not promoted December 3, 2006 WikiProject peer review Reviewed A news item involving this article was featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the "In the news" column on April 24, 2011. A fact from this article was featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on April 24, 2020. Current status: Former featured article candidate

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This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations: "Botschaften aus dem Jenseits Göttliche Gaben oder Betrug?". Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen. August 4, 2004. "Debate: Sai Baba, a godsend?". CNN-IBN. November 24, 2006.

Why there is no mention of his family?

Does he have a wife, kids? Why there is no mention of his family? 176.33.65.11 (talk) 13:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Misinformation

The recently added section "Anomalies and possible unnatural death" contains misinformation, based on short-lived rumors and conspiracy theories. Please remove the section. Anuradha Rao (talk) 14:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

ALL information is properly sourced and cited. the times of India, Indian express and other sources are reliable and credible.

the title accurately depicts the content. anomalies in the narrative provided by the police, ashram, trust and other agencies in relation to what information was printed or reported on.

much like the murders at ashram. facts, narratives and official stories don't add up. yet the various pieces of information are reported and documented. why don't you take down that page?

just because its been 13 years and things have been brushed aside and washed cleaned doesn't mean these events weren't reported on.

they appeared in the times of India.

this section does not reflect conspiracy theories but reported on events.

there is a "criticism " section is there not? why are those "events" or conspiracy theories not removed? some scenarios are plain redundant, willful character assassination and unproven lies. yet the section exists.

why? because it was written about and played a role in the information surrounding Sai Baba. although irrelevant or dated or based on opinion, it was written about.

as were the anomalies and pieces of information contrary to the "official narrative".

the section, as the "criticism" section, provides cited information that appeared in reputable news outlets and has a place, is relevant and although, difficult to swallow without getting emotional, it was written about.

your passions and emotions dont take precedent.

section is well cited, properly cited and from credible sources.

it holds the same place as the criticism section. J929 (talk) 05:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

All misinformation and conspiracy theories on the page need to go, and not just the Anamolies.. section. Why are we hounding someone who spent every moment for the upliftment of humanity? It is not about editors'/readers' passions and emotions, but about truth and facts which a Misplaced Pages article should stick to, isn't it? Anuradha Rao (talk) 06:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Sai Baba’s virtues, divinity comment and unfettered devotion to serving humanity is not in question.

The section is well sourced, properly cited, and correctly quoted J929 (talk) 07:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

The times of India and various other sources are, according to Misplaced Pages, reliable and credible. Criticism section, like I said, has events that are unproven and most likely untrue BUT still are reported on.

Therefore, when correctly cited and worded, appear in Misplaced Pages.

Same with this section.

if you feel all these sections should be removed then the “issue” is with you and your view, not the way it is presented - which as I have stated and also agreed by the person who Undid your edits - which is in accordance with Misplaced Pages guidelines. J929 (talk) 07:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

please review previous talk page issues. most importantly the criticism section and see how much effort and time, consensus and argument went into getting a phrasing that would satisfy everyone.

try to edit the criticism section and you will find warnings not to edit certain parts because of these efforts...

that being said, emotional responses and opinions of what[REDACTED] is or is not does not justify removing a section - one that is well cited, sourced and worded. J929 (talk) 08:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the page reads much better now than it did earlier, thanks to the efforts.

Some of the cited sources in Anomalies part have attributed quotes to unnamed/unverifiable sources and have a speculative tone than factual reporting. Unilateral claims, reactions, rumors and speculation can be condensed into a few lines than given so much prominence. Anuradha Rao (talk) 02:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

All the information is correctly cited from credible sources. If condensed and left unsourced, it will then look like a story/speculation etc.

which will not hold up to Misplaced Pages standards and decrease the quality of the page. J929 (talk) 13:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

You can condense the part and still cite the sources.

The problem is not with the citations but giving disproportionate space to ephemeral speculative reports arising in the wake of the confusion following the demise of the Guru. Anuradha Rao (talk) 10:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Gunnar Otis, not a real person

I've removed a paragraph from the article, citing "Gunnar Otis, professor of psychology, University of Reykjavik" as an authority, from a book by Paul William Roberts. The encounter between Roberts and "Gunnar Otis" is said to have taken place in 1976, but the University of Reykjavik was founded in 1998. No professor of psychology with that name has ever existed in Iceland. 147.161.214.97 (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

From what I’ve been able to find (ie. nothing), no person with that name has ever existed on Earth. 🆃🆁🆂™ 08:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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