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== Talkback ==

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== Please take your comments to a proper venue ==

Thanks! --] (]) 01:17, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
:The talk page of the article is precisely the place to discuss POV pushing and ] issues in the article.--] (]) 05:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Without following the relevant policies and guidelines, it is disruptive at least. Please stop disrupting the article so. --] (]) 21:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

::No disrespect, Jimbo, but it's usually better to take such concerns to a user talk page, or to an administrative page like wikiquette or ANI. In my experience, once an article talk page falls into cross-discussions of editor behavior (like POV-pushing and ownership issues), it can rapidly deteriorate to a point where meaningful discussion of article ''content'' is all but impossible. Not that anyone's going to actually respect the ideal, mind you (people who get angry at each other are sometimes going to make it personal, and editors who enter that mindset tend to see article-talk as a public forum for airing grievances - human nature...). But I really don't want to have people calling me names in article talk and justifying it with 'Jimbo said we should do it'. --] 14:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
* '''''Question POV-pushing politely on article talk-page first:''''' In case some of the article's editors have a group-view POV, it would, in fact, be better to start on the article's talk-page (very politely), to allow responses from the other editors who believe that the text is not overly slanted. Otherwise, it is a heavy burden for each editor to defend charges on their separate user-talk pages, especially if the fellow editors could better explain, or refute, charges of POV-pushing. By the time an issue reaches ], then it can become a dog-fight because there are few rules of fairness at ANI, and many "drive-by" opinionators just ] into a group attack, as drive-by !voters who do not even know the original article(s) which started the claims of POV-pushing, and the history of how people were goaded into the escalated debate. Of course, I have also seen cases where the article talk-page becomes a ]ground, but perhaps at that point, then clearly direct the discussion to ] with many people (of all sides) ready to debate, not just one lone guy besieged by a pack of regulars and killed off with a ]-instant decision before 10 opposing people have stated their opinions. ANI does not have a "]" restriction to require real evidence and allow 2-weeks for supporters to come and clarify a "defence" of a person being viciously non-attacked at ANI. The use of ], to rush a verdict before other views are stated, is rampant there. -] (]) 19:53, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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== Google Street view imagery ==

Given that google is keen to work with/help wikipedia with search results and translations on certain other wikipedias I wonder if there is a chance we could arrange something with them to take photograph shots of google street view/map imagery to use in articles. I mean how many articles on US places are without images and in google street view you could simply photograph a select area and upload to article. Obviously quality would't be the best but the opportunity to be able to freely photograph any part of any town would be a massive step.♦ ] 23:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

:See ] and scroll down to links to pages by category.
:—] (]) 00:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
::A request is not the same as actually getting us images though is it? I could put in a request today for a photo of a village in the forests of Shan State and we'd be unlikely to get one in the next 10 years.♦ ] 00:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Is that Shan State photo one that you could get from google images? Is that a good example that I could show to people at Google? If not, then could you show me a few examples?--] (]) 06:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Nah, I was just using it as an example for what images we really need! Someday, maybe there might be a Google street view for Burma but likely to be in several decades.. Well somebody could take a screenshot from google street view or photo from the 45 degrees view from google maps of say ], strangely devoid of any images and put it in the article as an example. I think the future of imagery lies in the virtual , like being able to access any part of the world and to access imagery of it. I mean imagine there was google street view for rural parts of Africa and Asia and we were free to take images at our own will and freely use them. Of course the quality would be poorer than actual but it would still be good. The reason I brought this up is because I see the vast majority of US smaller towns and unincorporated communities being devoid of any images. And then when I check it out on google street view you can explore the whole area! If you were free to approach any settlement in google street view and take a photograph from whatever angle and area you want and freely upload to the article is would be of massive benefit I think. Is there any chance you Jimbo or somebody could address this to google about working together with images? We could actually photograph most settlements in somewhere like Shan State, Burma from google maps satellite view and zooming in and taking a shot of the village from above... ♦ ] 10:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

OK take ] for example. We are unlikely to get a photograph in the next 10 years. Now click on the coordinates and zoom in on google maps. You can zoom in so the settlement is pretty clear. Imagine you could crop out a photo of it and add it to the infobox of the article.♦ ] 11:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:It's certainly better than what we have now, which is nothing. Hopefully we'll eventually get a better picture (and hopefully Aung San Suu Kyi and her supporters will be able to take care of business before 10 years, but it's true that it's not likely), but it's a good placeholder until such a time when people can take photos outside of Yangon and Naypyidaw without being shot. Now if only we could do the same kind of thing for getting pictures of the people there too... (a little over a year, and I still haven't found a free image of ]; it's very frustrating). ] (]) 19:31, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

== Fate of "important" articles at FAC ==

Hi Jimbo -- I recently spent some time doing a bit of crude statistical analysis of the FAC process, with results that I think might interest you; see ]. I should point out that this has given rise to a lively discussion at ] -- most of the comments there do not agree with my conclusions though. ] (]) 03:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

:You might wish to repeat the process with ].
:—] (]) 05:19, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

::It will not change the insight. All one needs to do is look down the list of VAs and see that the vast majority of them are below GA (ten years into the project). And that that VA project is "dead" (no activity in the talk). I think that pretty clearly shows the massive "miss" for Misplaced Pages. Something that people at the Sue/Jimbo level should care about. (And if they don't, maybe we need more critical external essays, to prod them.)

::For that matter, if you just look at the current list of 30 FACs. Only one, "]" is from the VA top 1000 list. "]" is from the top 10,000. The other 28 include such cruft as the 1860 hurricane season and an 11,000 person "neighborhood".

::Interestingly, 3 days ago, we had a TFA on of an obscure abandoned railroad. The article should not even be a GA as it is not "focused" on the topic of the obscure station, but padded with info on the railroad. (Actually, we maybe should not even have an article on the station as the sources mentioning the station do so in passing rather than as the subject.) Yet this criticism was not raised within the 2009 FAC, which had only a single "working" review, which looked only at ref formatting and the like. The other supports were RFA "me too" short. And then this was passed by arguably our best and most critical FA director (Sandy). And it was from one of our community leaders (a now-skipped arbitrator).

::That's fine from a "star collector" perspective, if people want to work on minutia (have seen several recent FAs that got less than 20 pageviews per day). '''But from a LEADERSHIP and PROGRAMMATIC standpoint, it is important to realize that "the encyclopedia" ''is not getting built''.''' Let's go get a grant and spend some money and figure out and take action on THIS issue.<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:01, 13 October 2011‎</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->


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Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.


Could you or your page watchers help me with ]? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.
== Interview for English paper ==


I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. ] (]) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Aloha Jimbo! I'm doing a paper for my Principles of English Composition class about the Misplaced Pages discourse community. Part of this project is interviewing people from the discourse community. I would be honored if you as the founder of the discourse community would please take the time to respond to my interview, which can be found at ]. Thanks in advance, ] <sup>(]•]•]•])</sup> 23:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Will try but very swamped for the next few days. What's the deadline?--] (]) 11:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

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    Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.

    Could you or your page watchers help me with Draft:Albert Percy Godber? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.

    I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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