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| | title = Misplaced Pages Editors Very Mad About Jimmy Wales' NFT of a Misplaced Pages Edit | |||
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| Hey Mr. Wales, there's a discussion on ] about what image should be used on your Misplaced Pages entry. Figured you may want to chime in with personal opinion about the recent freely-licensed images of you that are presented, as there hasn't been much engagement there at the time of my post. <span style="background: cornsilk; padding: 3px;border:.5px solid salmon;">]]</span> 21:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| My apologies if this has already been brought up here. I know you are a busy man and can't reasonably be involved in every little detail of the Foundation's business, but has it been brought to your attention that the new software is causing numerous problems, including blocking innocent users, moving block settings from renamed accounts back to the old names, autoblocking users and IPs for no apparent reason, and effectively making it very difficult for anyone who is not a checkuser to clear any of these erroneous autoblocks, or any other autoblock? The folks over at ] seem to be telling us that if we only appreciated how awesome the new features were we wouldn't be so upset at the several dozen problems it has created and/or that bugzilla reports have been filed and that is all there is to say about it. | |||
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| If the new software was a bot we would turn it off. If it was an admin it would be desysopped and banned. I realize the Foundation is not made of money, but this new package seems to have been dumped here without any testing at all of how it would affect adminsitrative actions and the various admin interfaces.I'm no software engineer but the problems it is causing with block settings seem like a major flaw in that it is very much opposed to WPs open editing model to block anyone, ever if they didn't actually do anything to earn it. If there is anything you can do to either temporarily remove it pending fixes to these issues or accelerate actualy getting the problems fixed I'm sure it would be much appreciated by the admin corps and the various users who have been unjustly blocked. ] (]) 02:31, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Can you show me where a member of staff said something like "if we only appreciated how awesome the new features were we wouldn't be so upset at the several dozen problems it has created"?--] (]) 07:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::No. That's why I said "seem to be telling us." It's more of an attitude. I'm not actually sure I have noticed any improvements, and when I did ask what they were I was referred to this document, which I'm sure says what exactly was improved, but mostly not in a way a person who is not intimately familiar with the inner workings of the software can understand. However I don't believe the user who pointed me there is actually a staff member. I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, more interested in knowing when we get back the functions this software is more or less disabling and when it will stop messing up block settings. I'm sure a lot of work went into this, but it is causing a lot of headaches in the block/unblock department. ] (]) 16:05, 17 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| I have placed a statement here earlier, stating if there such thing as Misplaced Pages for Kids. I have looked at all of them and I think there should be a new one. None where kid-friendly.] (]) 19:15, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Then go to Wikia and make it. ]. —<font color="228B22">''Jeremy'' v^_^v</font> <sup><small>Components:] ] ]</small></sup> 19:18, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :(ec) What is "kid-friendly")? ] <sup>]</sup> 19:21, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :An "encyclopedia for children" has existed in the past - for example my parents procured a set of the Childrens' Britanica (an abridged version of the real thing) when I was young. It wasn't very useful. I'm also wondering what Gregory defines as "kid-friendly". <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 20:37, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::That's exactly what I meant.] (]) 20:41, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::Sorry - I don't understand - what in the above thread is "exactly what you meant" ? <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 20:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::What I meant was the wikis were not reliable and doesn't make sense to kids.] (]) 21:32, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I'd agree that we need to "up" the reliability as best we can on all wikimedia projects. I'd disagree they are not reliable as long as one treats them as they are - a tertiary source - however. In respect of them not making sense to kids - well - that's a problem for the parents or teachers. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 21:46, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Is what you're looking for?--] (]) 21:40, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Simple isn't strictly for children though, it could have an article on Jemma Jameson! This guy has a point, there really ought to be a children's edition of[REDACTED] with a design specially suited to attracting kids. Really articles could be written based on existing articles and simplified to be suitable for kids learning. and they could be set so only parents and teachers can edit them or something. If I was a seven year old kid, seriously 90% of our articles i'd shut off after two paragraphs. We do need a Children's edition for wikipedia, the nearest thing we have is . But we need that sort of thing to be an on going project to build the best possible kids encyclopedia. We also need our own Wiki Atlas for making our own maps, OSM is poor quality. A lot of things which seem really important for some reason get overlooked on here.♦ ] 22:34, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::It's not easy to determine what is "kid-friendly", so I don't think it's possible. What would this "kid-friendly"[REDACTED] say about death? That it's the end and that you don't really go to heaven? Or... how are children conceived? Bees & butterflies? ] <sup>]</sup> 22:40, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Hehe and say that Santa is a real guy living in Lapland LOL. Well the 3-16 age group would probably require several different encyclopedias to cater to different age groups.♦ ] 22:43, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Then again, there's the issue of ].] ] 22:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::If you feel OSM is "poor quality", what makes you think our own efforts would be any better? OSM is what you get when you create a user-edited mapping tool; why would we re-invent the wheel? Better to work with OSM to improve their quality. As for a Children's Edition of Misplaced Pages, no one is stopping you from creating one. You might even get some Misplaced Pages editors to help you with the effort. But the Misplaced Pages project as a whole is focused on creating a ''comprehensive'' encyclopedia, not one suitable for minors. ] <sup><small><small>]</small></small></sup> 00:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :See ] and ]. | |||
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| Oddly this is the third time I have come across a discussion on this topic recently, and found that nobody seems to be aware of the ], AKA Misplaced Pages for schools. No pop culture or porn articles, no gory or sexual images, and you can't vandalize it. I think it would be great if it were actually online. It could be left static, new versions of articles could be imported but it would not be editable by the general public, meaning it would require very little administration. However, so far nobody but me seems to like this idea and I don't have the server space or the technical know-how to do it myself. ] (]) 23:40, 16 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| :My main objections to ideas like this is the inherited requirement to define what is suitable for children, and who does that decision. Should it be suitable for American children, or should it be suitable for Swedish children? Should it hide facts that are deemed unsuitable in a moral (i.e. moral panic) sense, or unsuitable in an educational level (i.e. Quantum physic) sense. If it's only reliability that is relevant in the end, then no special Misplaced Pages for children is required, just make sure the pedia is reliable :) <sub>→]]</sub> 00:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | brownie :D ] 19:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::I like this idea, Beeblebrox. It doesn't seem like it would be very hard for the Foundation to put this online, since it exists. I think they ought to. Providing an additional online product (which, as we've seen, people seem to want) at low cost would be a good thing, I would think. (BTW and FWIW there is something called "", but that is a subset of Wikibooks and not an encyclopedia. Not sure if it's active, either.) (@AzaToth: "who does that decision" would be people who volunteer to do it, cooperating and using established standards of pedagogy, I guess, and I suppose this is how the CD version that Beeblebrox refers to was made.) ] (]) 01:20, 17 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Thanks, you're the first person who seems to get the concept behind this idea. It is not a censorship issue. Misplaced Pages undeniably contains material that entirely inappropriate for young children no matter where they live, but I would be the absolute last person to suggest that we should censor ''this'' project in any way. It would be a great service to educational institutions for them to have something like WP, but which the kids can't use for other things, such as vandalizing, looking up sexually explicit material, or reading about individual episodes of Family Guy. Articles wouldn't be screened for morals, but rather for actual educational value, which is what they did with the CDs. An article like ] is not related to any subject they teach in any primary or secondary school I've ever heard of, so it would not make the grade. Neither would ], for the exact same reason. Since it would not be subject to the space limitations of the CDs we could indeed include any and all educational topics, from ] right on up to ]. And the folks who made the CDs already did a lot of the legwork for us. ] (]) 03:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
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Hey Mr. Wales, there's a discussion on Talk:Jimmy_Wales#Newer_2024_image? about what image should be used on your Misplaced Pages entry. Figured you may want to chime in with personal opinion about the recent freely-licensed images of you that are presented, as there hasn't been much engagement there at the time of my post. BarntToust 21:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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A brownie for you!
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brownie :D Sir Macaw 19:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC) |
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A cheeseburger for one of the greatest on Misplaced Pages!
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A visionary with an enduring legacy! MimirIsSmart (talk) 07:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC) |