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Tyler Clementi as a notable in Ridgewood, New Jersey

Your recent edit to the article for Ridgewood, New Jersey removed Tyler Clementi as a notable resident, with an edit summary of "remove Clementi, case is notable, person is not (no redirects)". However, as I read WP:LISTPEOPLE, Clementi would be exactly the case of where an "exception to this requirement may be made if the person is famous for a specific event". Can you point to any "no redirects" policy as specified in your edit summary or do you see why an entry for Clementi wouldn't be appropriate based on this guideline? Feel free to respond on my talk page. Alansohn (talk) 04:19, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Replied on talk page as requested.--Shakehandsman (talk) 03:22, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

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Shawnee Mission West

So, I'm new to doing editing things on Misplaced Pages, but I go to Shawnee Mission West High School. I saw that you took down Kelsey Smith on the notable alumni section. You said that the event is notable, but not her. First of all it's disrespectful to her memory, and because of her there was a law created to prevent an event like that happening again. Plus there is a foundation (The Kelsey Smith Foundation) that does a lot of charity work in honor of her. She is also notable to the west family, and to all the people who support the Kelsey Smith Foundation. I respectfully ask that you put her back in the notable alumni section.Macqumc (talk) 07:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Replying on your talk page.--Shakehandsman (talk) 15:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Ross Parker

Shakehandsman it has been a long time since I have edited Misplaced Pages and things have obviously changed. If the Ross Parker who was a murder victim is your relative I am sorry. I mean no disrespect. Bwaybaby77 (talk) 16:39, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind message, no offence taken. More coverage of either ones of the Parkers has to be a good thing.--Shakehandsman (talk) 23:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Thanks

Just wanted to thank you for your comments on the recent attempt at the AN to topic ban me on men's rights related articles. It was disconcerting to see Sonicyouth86 attempt to sling mud at you there -- sorry for that.

Looking over your Talk page, I see you have endured similar experiences as a target of wikilawyering by gender feminists. No fun.

Again, thanks. Memills (talk) 01:01, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

There are a small number of feminist activist editors on Misplaced Pages who hold a lot of power here and will attempt to silence any opposition to their POV pushing. They will look for any excuse to ban their opponents so they can dominate gender related articles, and they'll even invent such an excuse should none exist. Many outstanding editors have been driven from the project due to such intimidation and harassment and my track record here is as good as almost anyone, yet even I got to be on the receiving end. Regrettably, there are totally different standards that apply to the warning/blocking of editors depending on their stance on gender issues and you really need to ensure you don't allow yourself to be baited or to snap as a result of the harassment you receive, you're playing right into their hands when you do this. I suggest you try to stay out of the drama that certain people round here are so fond of creating and while you should ignore any comments from obviously biased editors trying to bait you, you really do need to start listening to any advice and guidance when it comes from politically neutral editors, the following is a particularly good example of you failing to do so Thanks.--Shakehandsman (talk) 17:31, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. In fact, ironically, even my comment thanking you above was used in just the fashion you describe.

Fortunately, you and others are noticing the pattern (see this and this by Cybermud (talk).

Lesson learned: controversial articles on WP can be "sanitized" and commandeered. One way that is being done is to control the reference sources (e.g., disallow non-feminist sources as "not-RS"). One commenter at the AN was even transparent enough to state that they thought it was inappropriate to include sources by men's rights authors(!) Some believe just providing accurate information about the MRM at WP is 'promoting their agenda' or 'giving them a platform.' With that kind of thinking "Misplaced Pages may have a benign, even trivial face, but underneath may lie a more sinister and subtle threat to freedom of thought."

Perhaps the truth eventually will trump attempts to suppress free expression at WP. It did in this case. But it is a sad statement about WP that it took so much virtual ink and effort. Memills (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Cathy Davidson

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

BLP trumps your somewhat shrill cry for community consensus on such a contentious matter. You may have noticed that the category is discussed for deletion: if you cannot guess from that very fact, and from the overwhelming majority favoring deletion, that this is a contentious paragraph, then you probably shouldn't be editing BLPs. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 04:21, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for such a lovely message and my apologies for following the rules. I suggest maybe you ought to try to learn a little more about the 88 as I find your remarks about the issue quite insensitive and ill-informed --Shakehandsman (talk) 04:31, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

• Which "following the rules"? Drmies (talk) 14:57, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

We've already been through that. Anyway, I see you've completely ignored my main concerns above, which is disappointing but not exactly surprising I suppose but makes any conversation here a complete waste of time. I'm about as open to sensible discussion as anyone, in fact I don't think I've ever had to close a conversation here in my 7 years on Misplaced Pages, but I guess there's a first time for everything.--Shakehandsman (talk) 15:54, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

::*If your main concern is my supposed insensitivity and lack of knowledge, yeah, I chose to ignore that low blow. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Fighting for my Misplaced Pages life

This is what I feel like right now. A proposal to ban my completely from both BLPs and Categories has received support from about 4 editors. This is extremely disturbing. I am not even sure what to do. I am just frustrated by how often such things occur. It is almost as bad as when there was an attempted BLP ban on my for a complex edit, which was more over what was "pornographic" than anything else. This whole thing is frustrating and I have yet to see any defense, or even recognition that I have shown a willingness to compromise.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:12, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

It's pretty obvious that there are a few editors who are out to get you, I don't really know the history or the full story but even to an outsider such as myself I can see there's a witch-hunt going on. However, as others have indicated, you really shouldn't give them any ammunition. People are obviously seeking to hold you to a higher standard than most other editors and they'll be busy inventing supposed ammunition anyway. Anyway, by all means continue to ignore any "advice" of the less helpful editors around here, but there are actually some of us who are here to help the project. Therefore when a respected and genuinely neutral editor such as Obi has some advice for you then most of the time it's going to be in your interest to actually take notice. Also I think another mistake you make is to assume that other are equally as informed about a topic as you are - Misplaced Pages editors can be remarkable ignorant about some topics, the Duke Lacrosse case being a painfully obvious example of this--Shakehandsman (talk) 16:22, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Relationship between Lynn Turner and Stacey Castor?

I see that you have added Lynn Turner (murderer) as a "see also" to Stacey Castor (and vice versa) but it isn't clear how the two articles are related. What is the relationship between the two cases? Nigel Pap (talk) 17:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

When two murderers have a similar profile, an identical and quite unusual method of killing, the same type of victim, live in the same country, operate around approximately the same time period as each other, and both gain from life insurance payouts as a result of the death of their victims then the similarly between the two really couldn't be much stronger or clearer. They're just about the most justifiable/obvious "see alsos" on any Misplaced Pages crime article I can think of! To be honest, your query comes across as a little strange, perhaps you've misunderstood the purpose of such sections?--Shakehandsman (talk) 21:27, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I thought you were implying that there was some connection between the two women. Thanks. Nigel Pap (talk) 03:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Well there is one connection in that one case suggested the victim and been inspired by the other. However, this isn't necessary for a "see also", though obviously is helpful that sources often mention both cases together. Misplaced Pages is an academic resource, the main topic in question is anti-freeze poisoning, and readers viewing one case and will also wish to know about one that's so remarkably similar.--Shakehandsman (talk) 06:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Murder of Ross Parker

Just wanted to let you know that I have left some comments for you about Murder of Ross Parker and possible changes needed before it is approved for featured article status. Thanks. Nigel Pap (talk) 23:57, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification but you don't need to message me about such things as I've got that page on my watch list, I'm participating regularly there and I'm fully aware of you following me around Misplaced Pages anyhow.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. Your lack of response to my comments made me assume that you hadn't seen them. Are you ignoring my comments or do you intend to address them? Nigel Pap (talk) 14:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I prioritised answering the comments which made valid points and clearly required action or where there was at least some uncertainty that required further discussion. For example there was the excellent suggestion of submitting the article to the guild of copy editors which I had to deal with. My time is limited and therefore educating users about basic policy and replying to obvious non-issues is less of a priority. Anyway. I've replied now, but there doesn't seem to be a thing you've raised that requires any attention. While we're on the topic of educating users, perhaps you'd like to read up on our Wikihounding polices. Thanks.--Shakehandsman (talk) 18:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as the Wikihounding policy is rather well written and I didn't actually provide this link WP:HOUND previously, then perhaps I had better be a bit more thorough and quote the relevant parts: "Wikihounding is the singling out of one or more editors, and joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, in order to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to the other editor. Wikihounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Misplaced Pages. Many users track other users' edits, although usually for collegial or administrative purposes. This should always be done carefully, and with good cause, to avoid raising the suspicion that an editor's contributions are being followed to cause them distress, or out of revenge for a perceived slight." Now i note you don't deny following me from place to place all around Misplaced Pages, and you have followed me to topics completely unrelated to each other, whilst contributing little else to the project, furthermore, you start following me around right from your first edit (with a small break from doing so a while ago). Your repeated denials of the blatant conflicts of interest of IP editors at the Cathy Davidson article are remarkably non-neutral, and reverts of my work such as this one ] are most unhelpful too. You've left quite bizarre messages on this very page querying the most innocuous edits of mine, and surely any reasonable editor can surely see that a "see also" is more than valid for two poisoners, both from the same country, of similar ages, both killing their husbands, in the same era, for the same reason and both using anti-freeze as poison. too! In the FA discussion, all other commenters have made well argued points, the vast majority of which resulted in improvements to the article, thus helping it move closer to FA status. In your case, your arrival at the FA page is the very first time you've participated in any type of article review or assessment, with many of your "points" adding nothing to the discussion, often showing a complete failure to understand basic policy. You then complain about the fact that I prioritised addressing and resolving what are clearly valid concerns which helped improve the article, ahead of your comments. Now, aside from regularly misquoting me, you've remained quite polite throughout all of the above and there's no single incident that would in itself be of the concern to anyone. However, if we look at the pattern of what's going on then it's a completely different story.--Shakehandsman (talk) 22:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Following the Category:Group of 88 episode, I took an interest in your other edits and the edits of the other editors involved. You nominated an article for featured article status and asked for comments. I gave you comments. Please try to read and respond to those comments as you would from any other editor. We obviously disagree on interpretation of Misplaced Pages policy, but I hope we can agree to disagree and allow other editor's to form a consensus. Thanks. Nigel Pap (talk) 02:19, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Other editors would have received exactly the same replies to comments in question and many of my responses are quite lengthy, they are based upon sources and policy and go into significant detail. There are some 4.5 million articles on Misplaced Pages which I don't edit, perhaps you could help improve some of those? And while feedback in a FA discussion is welcome (as I already indicated), it would help if you familiarised yourself with at least a few more of our basic policies, that way you won't end up posting lengthy lists on non-issues which fail to help improve Misplaced Pages.--Shakehandsman (talk) 03:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Follow-up to your comments

Please take another look at Daniel R. Gernatt, Jr. and reconsider your decision. Daniellagreen 17:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Why?--Shakehandsman (talk) 20:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Verification, creds, links

I have several books including two anthologies I edited, won two NJ State Arts Council Fellowships, one in prose and one in poetry, won the Kinereath Genseler Award for my book Panic (also a BOTYA finalist) with Alice James Books, and there are a ton of links to my work on line. A quick search pulls these up. If they need to be linked on the page, then that would be great, but calling the page into question is inappropriate as my creds are in line with many other poets' pages:

some Books and anthologies I have written or edited:

http://www.blacklawrence.com/rigger-death-and-hoist-another/ http://syracuseuniversitypress.syr.edu/fall-2013/room-and-the-world.html http://alicejamesbooks.org/ajb-titles/panic/ http://www.blacklawrence.com/speech-acts/ http://www.ugapress.org/index.php/books/index/sense_of_regard

Reviews or comments on my work:

http://www.wordforword.info/vol18/Pollard.html http://thelinebreak.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/laura-mcculloughs-speech-acts/ http://thepotomacjournal.com/issue9/laura_mccullough.html http://contrarymagazine.com/2011/laura-mccullough-speech-acts/ http://www.guernicamag.com/daily/laura_mccullough_reading_recom/

Interviews of me or by me:

http://nanofiction.org/weekly-feature/interviews/2013/10/five-questions-with-laura-mccullough http://tcjww.org/2014/02/10/interview-laura-mccullough/ http://www.poetsandartists.com/laura-mccullough/ http://realitysandwich.com/389/what_men_want_interview_laura_mccullough/ http://poems.com/special_features/prose/essay_hicok2.php http://poetsonadoption.blogspot.com/2011/04/laura-mccullough.html

Radio or Videos of me or me interviewing other writers:

http://www.leahbrowning.net/Apple/Fall_2009/Laura_McCullough.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LAYKLSZVWo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfTrWCIJ8_4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15sRlWAN2fU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP0hTQee-9w

Examples of poems online:

http://goodmenproject.com/author/laura-mccullough/ http://www.tupeloquarterly.com/everywhere-i-havent-been-anywhere-by-laura-mccullough/ http://solsticelitmag.org/author/laura-mccullough/ http://www.leahbrowning.net/Apple/Fall_2009/Laura_McCullough.html http://www.versedaily.org/2014/aboutlauramccullough.shtml https://www.aprweb.org/poem/speaking-malagasy-isle-vanilla http://www.anomalouspress.org/8/26.mccullough.bowie.php http://www.diodepoetry.com/v4n2/content/mccullough_l.html http://www.drunkenboat.com/db18/laura-mccullough http://www.fishousepoems.org/?artist=mccullough-laura http://referentialmagazine.com/contributors/m-o/laura-mccullough/ http://www.connotationpress.com/a-poetry-congeries-with-john-hoppenthaler/2010/february-2010/307-laura-mccullough-poetry http://anti-poetry.com/anti/mcculloughla/ http://www.pebblelakereview.com/archive/2009_v6_1_health_wellness/poem_SweetSick.html

http://www.2river.org/2RView/11_4/poems/mccullough.html http://www.wordriot.org/template.php?ID=743 http://baltimorereview.org/index.php/fall_2013/contributor/laura-mccullough http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Summer03/LMCunt.htm

http://www.madhattersreview.com/issue13/fiction_mccullough.shtml

I teach in these two writing venues, one an annual conference, the other an MFA program:

http://www.sierranevada.edu/academics/humanities-social-sciences/creative-writing-mfa/mfa-faculty/ http://wintergetaway.com/poetry-faculty.html

Other things I have written that appear on Web:

http://www.blacklawrence.com/title-as-invitation-poetry-contests-as-dinner-party-by-laura-mccullough/

http://www.cortlandreview.com/features/14/spring/mccullough.php

http://hub.gmnews.com/news/2006-04-06/Front_page/028.html http://hub.gmnews.com/news/2006-04-06/Front_page/028.html

How does this get resolved? Lmccullough (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, though as the page stands I'm not going to be changing my mind. FYI people tend not to be too fond of editors spamming such lengthy and identical content on the talk page of every single user who voted delete and it would have been much more appropriate to post the material to the AFD discussion. I see others have alleged that your publisher has been spamming Misplaced Pages too and these things really aren't helpful. On top of this you appear to have attacked at least one person who voted delete, you also deny the existence of the most blatant COI issues and fail to understand our polices in this area and to top it all off you then play the sexism card based upon zero evidence. Take as a whole, this comes across as bullying, which is something a lot of people here detest. If you really want the article to be kept then work on finding better sources (and get rid of all the inappropriate ones), seek assistance in making improvements and learn about our conflict of interest policies and agree to accept them.--Shakehandsman (talk) 21:14, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Daniel R. Gernatt, Jr.

Hi, Just letting you know that I’ve added a note to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Daniel R. Gernatt, Jr. I tried pinging you, but that doesn’t seem to work. Thanks  NQ  talk 03:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Good work, your level of patience is quite commendable.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:GOCE request of Murder of Ross Parker

Hi, I've completed my copy edit of the article. You'll note that I didn't do much editing in the latter parts of the article as I found them on the whole to be well written. Blackmane (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for you work, I guess my standard of writing must have improved as I went along. I've reverted one small change you made as it was part of a quote, therefore even though the grammar wasn't ideal, we don't really get to change that. In the FA review there's some concern with the wording to the sentence in the lede (the one dealing with redefining racism). Some suggest its awkwardly worded so perhaps you could take another look at that, or alternatively confirm you think it's ok? Thanks.--Shakehandsman (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Sourcing question

I have asked for someone to identify the source of a statement in the lede of Murder of Ross Parker ("a gang of up to ten Muslim youths of Pakistani background"). You are probably best able to answer that question. Thanks. Nigel Pap (talk) 22:04, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The Times of London reported: "Muslims have offered a reward of £1,000 after a white youth was killed by a gang of Asians. Asian community leaders and representatives from mosques in Peterborough offered the money after the fatal stabbing of Ross Parker, 17... After the fatal attack in Peterborough, Muslim leaders placed flowers and offered sympathy to the teenager's friends at a spot close to the cycle path where about ten Asian youths ambushed and killed him." (Kennedy, Dominic (24 September 2001). "Muslims offer reward to find Asian gang behind white youth's death". The Times. London. p. 3.) Keri (talk) 07:35, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Murder of Keith Allan

You've made several edits on lists claiming the murdered solicitor is not notable. He was a very important figure in Victorian harness racing, and founded the Victorian Standardbred Owners Association with football great Jack Collins. A number of references were made to his activities in harness racing after his death in the Victorian media. He also represented several criminals in his legal practice who have had considerable notoriety.Perhaps some reference ought to be made with approprate sources given, on the relevant page. I know that in the UK, where I come from and I suspect you do too, harness racing is not a very important sport and most people have never heard of it, but in France, the United States, Australia and New Zealsnd it is a big sport. I do not believe that he is not a notable figure and consideration ought to be given to a reversal.Noreen45 (talk) 08:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

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Re: these edits

Please do not create duplicate categories with different capitalization like this. There should only be a single category for any given scope. Other spellings, capitalizations, etc., should be redirected to the in-use category if necessary. —swpb 15:36, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Apologies, I initially got the capitalisation wrong and then couldn't figure out how to delete the category.--Shakehandsman (talk) 01:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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your opinion please...

In 2012 you created a redirect, at Kamel Bourgass. We don't create a standalone article on every murderer, only on murderers who are genuinely notable; measure up ot the GNG...

I wonder whether Bourgass measures up to the GNG? He has had ongoing press coverage, for a long period of time, and that press coverage has covered more aspects of his life than his alleged commission of murder, and his trial.

As the person who created the redirect, do you care to weigh in, at Talk:Murder of Stephen Oake?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 11:54, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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The confusing categorization rule of Death by person articles

I looked through the WP:RCAT you were kind enough to send me, but I couldn't find a contradiction to the WP policy link I sent you that was pointed out to me by a different admin. Enlighten me please? StonyBrook (talk) 05:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I'll explain on your talk page rather than here.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

It seems that the misunderstanding has been cleared up now. I am wary though of future problems arising due to the discussion matter not receiving clear mention over at WP:RCAT. I think more clarity, with a few examples, would help some. StonyBrook (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes I agree 100% that the text and examples could be clearer. Anyway I've reverted your edits and therefore restored the cats to the appropriate places.--Shakehandsman (talk) 03:36, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018

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Yes really. She just recently lost her appeal against her conviction. It's all in the article.--Shakehandsman (talk) 04:02, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

To expand on this, the editor above has issued an utterly inappropriate warning for me having describing convicted murdered Crystal Mangum as a convicted murder, issued simply becasue he was uninformed of the facts in the case. He refuses to retract this warning even though all the information is easily available in the relevant page and has been for years and evne though the facts have been fully explained to him also. Furthermore, he has then used this bogus warning as the basis for issuing a higher level warning on a separate issue below, an issue again when he is wrong and this therefore clearly constitutes significant misconduct on his part. If editors see a warning on a user's talk page, please do not automatically assume it is legitimate, as there are plenty of bogus warnings out there and there are also some editors who even refuse to retract utterly bogus warnings even when it is explained that they need to do so. --Shakehandsman (talk) 05:56, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Sources needed for Days of the Year pages

You're probably not aware but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. The article about the person you added to February 3 did not have any source that I could add to this page to back up your addition so this change has been undone. If you restore it, please provide a direct reliable source. Thanks. Toddst1 (talk) 02:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Ok, fixed it now. Thanks.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:12, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for the notification, though I just created the page as a redirect, not as an article so I have no real view on the issue. That said, it's useful to know that someone took over the redirect for a completely different individual without making a replacement, so I'll try to fix that.--Shakehandsman (talk) 03:19, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Fiona Onasanya

Thanks for the updated ref 36, this is much clearer than the previous one. I will rejig the other ref to distinguish between the one that mentions her Christianity and the one that states which church she attends. Hyperman 42 (talk) 01:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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I think you made a mistake in your edit there. Your source for Smollett's date of birth is an article about the shooting of Ronald Reagan. Vcuttolo (talk) 05:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Actually no, it lists birthdays on that article too. The article is basically about the 21st of June. Thanks for the message though.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

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murders in australia

tend not to be allocated to the 'history ' of states - the murder/crime category trees are sufficient. By precedence the history categories of each state would be too full of everything if they were to include murders - whereas crime and murder are categories to carry that. JarrahTree 05:07, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't understand your point here, I categorised two events as part of the history of Perth (a city), not as part of the history of any state. You're absolute correct that they're not typically included as part of the history of the state, however I haven't done that and it is appropriate to add them as part of the history of the specific town/city location. Ultimately, both articles need to be in one Perth-related category at the very least and that was a problem I fixed.Shakehandsman (talk) 05:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Lancaster University

I have reverted your 3 edits as the source does not appear to support that he was at Lancaster University nor that he is a criminal. --Bduke (talk) 05:06, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

The Lancaster University ref is page 24.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks, but FYI I didn't actually create that article. I just made the redirect before the article even existed.Shakehandsman (talk) 05:16, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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Result was keep.--Shakehandsman (talk) 07:17, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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I would like to refer you to my remarks on Talk:Diane Pappas. I believe your conclusion that those are good sources is incorrect. The sources are conservative publications disguised as newspapers as demonstrated in the Chicago Tribune's April 6, 2018 article Conservative Illinois publications blur lines between journalism, politics and the Chicago Reader's March 29, 2017 editorial If your community news is slanted, Dan Proft may be to blame. I think those sources (and really the section as a whole) should be reconsidered.--Mpen320 (talk) 18:48, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your input and for the notification, I've posted a reply in the discussion on the article talk page (and made a few further improvements to the article too).Shakehandsman (talk) 00:47, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate the effort to find a response from a Democrat, but I think you may have missed my major point. Those sources (including the added Peoria Standard) are not newspapers. They are perpetual 24/7 negative advertisements. To cite them at all IMHO is wrong. The other changes to the article are great. Thank you.--Mpen320 (talk) 05:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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I don't have an issue whatsoever with this being changed to something else, but it appears to have been deleted without creating a replacement as occurred in other cases, so I'll fix that.--Shakehandsman (talk) 03:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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Well this is very bizarre indeed. Not only a disgraceful false allegation by an editor who clearly has no knowledge of my tends of thousands of Misplaced Pages edits, but on top of that I receive the notification about said false allegation from a brand new account. What's going on? For the record, I've barely done editing on the topic of UK Muslim grooming gangs, in fact the rape gang article I have done by far the most work on was entirely white British, i.e. the exact opposite of what I'm being falsely accused of.--Shakehandsman (talk) 04:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Update, good to see the user in question has apologised to meShakehandsman (talk) 06:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

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Omar herself used that name to refer to family members and thus it's a known family name. It's perfectly legitimate to put in place redirects from alternative names so that people can find the article they're looking for or research particular topics and find additional material. Of course, looking at the bigger picture, that's probably not all that useful seeing the level of censorship of controversies from the article which makes it almost useless to readers. Quite concerning really.Shakehandsman (talk) 05:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

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Now expanded to eleven entries.--Shakehandsman (talk) 00:54, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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I don't understand your argument. Every major city has a "list of people from" article, and Coventry was the largest such UK city without such an article. I therefore created an article for an article that was obviously needed and which was a glaring absence in Misplaced Pages content. By all means argue the list isn't yet long enough, but to dispute the notion of said list is ridiculous. By definition, every such one of these article is going to be already "covered by the categories already in place", that's exactly how these things work.--Shakehandsman (talk) 22:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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The decision has now rightly been overturned. Many thanks to those who fixed this.Shakehandsman (talk) 04:12, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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Why do you think naturalnews.com is fake news?

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I edit quite a bit in Misplaced Pages so you'll have to tell me which article you're referring to here please. Secondly blocking isn't really possible on Misplaced Pages, so that doesn't need to worry you. And yes I almost never delete comments so no worries there either.Shakehandsman (talk) 00:38, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

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March 2020

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Well this certainly is interesting. You have indeed spoken to me "about putting incorrect/exaggerated descriptions of crimes in WP:DOY articles previously". Specifically, you took issue with my addition of the convicted murderer Crystal Mangum to the page July 18. You took issue with the fact that I described said convicted murder as a murderer and you removed my contribution. Obviously I had to restore the content and needless to say, the convicted murderer Crystal Mangum remains described as a murderer on said page to his day, presumably becasue of her murder conviction for murdering her boyfriend, a fact which is also listed in her article and was back in 2018 too.

I have a very open and transparent talk page policy here, and that allowed you to see the "warning" you had previously given me. I also take the time to respond to people's comments here, so you would also have seen my complete debunking of your warning and full explanation as to why it was completely wrong and absolutely inappropriate.

Instead of apologising for your previous misconduct, you've now given me a final warning over my addition of child rapist Debra Lafave to the August 28 article. You claim I've added "incorrect/exaggerated" information, yet the source clearly shows her date of birth and her convictions for sex crimes. The terminology of the source is somewhat confusing in that Florida courts use the phrase "Lewd or lascivious battery" for cases of statutory rape, but people can easily look that up an see its meaning, and it's common editing practice to take complex legal terms and express them in the more common used and understood language. Statutory rape is of course exactly what is says it is - rape. I suppose further confusion on your part might stem from Lafave's almost complete lack of punishment for her crimes, leading you to think they were not particularly serious offences. However, this is completely false, and the severity of her crimes combined with the almost complete lack of punishment is actually a major part of what makes the case so notable in the first place.

There is no issue in the Misplaced Pages community with rightly describing Lefave as a rapist. Her article has done so for at least a decade and her name is even mentioned in other Misplaced Pages articles about rape! I guess we could always be more specific with her descriptor and expand to "statutory child rapist", though there's a need to be concise too and such terminology doesn't really appear in the case of other offenders. Furthermore, you haven't even bothered to add "statutory" to the article as you could easily have done and instead you came here to give me another bogus warning.

In conclusion, we really should note the facts of what's happened here. You've previously issued me with a completely inappropriate and 100% incorrect warning concerning Crystal Mangum, where you've falsely claimed she isn't a murderer. When corrected, you've not only failed to apologise and retract your warning, you've instead doubled down and used your previous bogus warning as an excuse to escalate the severity of a further bogus and completely unnecessary warning. This despite the fact that I'm clearly a valued editor here. Oh and you've even added false accusations of "vandalism" to the mix too. I would kindly suggest that "this needs to stop" please. Many thanks.Shakehandsman (talk) 01:33, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are mistaken and haven't checked your facts. Nowhere on Debra Lafave does it say she is a rapist. Is she guilty of sex crimes against children? Yes.

We have to go with the facts - not your interpretation of them - that is WP:SYNTHESIS and not acceptable, especially in cases of negative information about living people - convicted of crimes or not. Toddst1 (talk) 22:49, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Yet again you're wrong. I "checked my facts" to such an extent that I even looked back to over a decade ago to ensure the classification of Lafave as a rapist wasn't a recent thing. It indeed isn't and she has been classed as such for all of said decade, seemingly without the slightest interruption or even any comment. I.e. exactly as I stated above. And as stated above, she even appears as a key example in other articles about rape! (I.e. becasue she's a rapist) I don't supposes it matters with you anyhow, you still haven't acknowledged all of your previous mistakes and misconduct, as if they never occurred. No apology, no retraction, nothing. That's highly uncivil behaviour and it's pointless even trying to communicate with you if you've going to take such an attitude. You deliberately ignore so many key points a party makes in a discussion as if they'd never been written. You will note my talk page policy of not censoring or deleting the posts of other users here (unless I've request they cease in posting to this page). This policy applies to the bogus final warning you've posted above - it's up to you to fix it. In its current state it reflects infinitely more poorly on you than it does on me, and while it would be of benefit for the community as a whole for it to be fixed, I will not be doing so. Anyway, you did at least jog my memory concerning convicted murderer Crystal Mangum (who for some strange reason you don't believe is a convicted murderer) and you've inspired me to make a few more edits concerning her case, so at least something positive has come out of this otherwise completely time wasting exchange.Shakehandsman (talk) 02:25, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hi. Not sure why you've sent me this. If it's in relation to the above then we've already established that the issue is with The Times newspaper butchering material somewhat, and I'm the only one that actually bothered to figure out the cause of the confusion.--Shakehandsman (talk) 01:16, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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I'm not pushing any agenda and don't appreciate the accusation. Furthermore, all my points in the March 2020 discussion still hold true today and I'd advise you not to be misled by the editor who created the post, I debunked everything they said and you could easily have read that. Just becasue I didn't delete their nonsense doesn't make it true, I have an open talk page policy and I choose to rebut false claims people make and it's up to them to retract any false claims they make. If I personally can't describe someone as a rapist, yet the bio continues to contain said description and has done so for a decade then it's not cool to attempt to condemn me for this and we've established that above. Furthermore, the conduct of the accuser above is clearly severely in breach of Misplaced Pages rules, particularly looking at his previous "warning" which was clearly 100% wrong in every way in that it was a warning given to me for calling a convicted murderer a murderer, and it should absolutely have been retracted with an apology. Instead they doubled down and attempted a higher level of warning, which given that he initial warning was proven to be utterly inappropriate and frankly nonsensical then it's quite awful behaviour, even had the second warning been appropriate (which it wasn't).Shakehandsman (talk) 05:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

You are using a pseudonym to gratuitously label a living person a rapist on a list of dates that has nothing to do with the person or rape. The label has no degree of culpability associated with it: she's a rapist and the world has to be told. That is the reason WP:BLP is strictly followed and the notice in this section is to ensure you are aware of the situation so that a block can be issued if necessary. FYI I visited this talk page after reviewing WP:BLPN. Johnuniq (talk) 06:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Well that’s incorrect as well, she very easily passes the notability threshold for being listed as a 1980 birth in the USA so her listing there is 100% appropriate and relevant. And it’s also strange to take issue with someone merely using a descriptor from a BLP page that the community has been perfectly happy with for a decade and remains happy with to this day. The March 2020 post above very clearly constitutes Misplaced Pages misconduct in that the warning has been issued utterly inappropriately particularly given that the warning proceeding it was undeniably farcical in every way yet was never retracted. And if there is any insufficient lack of precision in the content of the BLP or 1980 USA births page then that doesn’t remotely compare to the content here on my talk page above which shows utterly undeniable, deliberate and completely inexcusable misconduct by an editor. Shakehandsman (talk) 07:42, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, many thanks for fixing this. The rejection was very strange indeed and clearly incorrect.Shakehandsman (talk) 06:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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Many thanks for the notification and for trying to get the page sorted. However, I have long since chosen not to engage any further.--Shakehandsman (talk) 00:50, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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Already kindly fixed by another user. Many thanks.--Shakehandsman (talk) 01:53, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hello Shakehandsman, sorry to drop this on your doorstep unannounced, but I've mentioned you in passing regarding a sockpuppet investigation. You may remember receiving much vitriol from a now banned user named 'Truesayer' pertaining to the Shahid Malik article. I've requested an investigation into two potential sockpuppets making similar claims towards myself; users Josibald and Brotherblog. If you can add anything towards this investigation it would be useful for the admins. MrEarlGray (talk) 11:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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I can't figure out why you had to add that incredibly negative detail which is as long as the rest of the entry: it is totally WP:UNDUE, and, in my opinion, a violation of the WP:BLP. Drmies (talk) 22:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Just to let you know since you seem to own the page for that school that the Senior leadership team has changed and is as follows: Head Teacher Michael McGee, Depute Head Teachers Kerry Gibb, Karen Stewart, Chris McKay, Donna Canning and Business Manager Linda Morris Anonymousscotland (talk) 14:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Also perhaps you could lay it out in a similar way to the Glenrothes High School page Anonymousscotland (talk) 14:18, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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