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			Andy... again?! after all this time?
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	Hallo Andy, could you do favor for me, to share about ACESS II maintanance?<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:21, 9 November 2011‎</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

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	: Sorry, but I've no idea what you're talking about. ACESS II ? ] (]) 07:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

			== Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels ==
	:: Are we talking ejection seats? ACES II ? ] (]) 22:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
	== Deletion of page "Gopal kundu Controversy from article Scientific values of plagiarism" ==

			Hi Andy
	Hello,

			You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm
	The page "Gopal Kundu Controvesy" of article "Scientific plagiarism in India" contains invalid information about him and the controversy, He is a former scientist who has registered patents and works at National Centre for Cell Science (NCCS), Pune, India. The page also refers to unofficial invalid sources. I request you to check official website of NCCS,Pune,India which is a Indian government body. the URL is www.nccs.res.in/gck.html. Please consider this request because it affects his reputation.

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	Thanks. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:39, 10 November 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			Bruce
	:Shrikantbhalerao101] has posted this to 13 different users' talk pages. In order to avoid unnecessary duplication of effort, before considering replying, you may like to see my responses and . ] (]) 12:27, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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	== The Tank's Country of Origin. ==

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	These three statements would also seem to support the multifocality of the Tank:

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	: The French had conceptual tank ideas around 1903. So did everyone. No-one built anything credible.
	: The British built The Lincoln Machine (which had at least a dummy of a central turret, pre-dating the Renault FT), Little Willie, Mother and then the Mark Is. They fielded tanks before anyone else did. The French were early developers of tanks too, with the Schneider. Yet the French lagged the British here. The Schneider, with its Holt tractor chassis and Holt track plates, was roughly comparable as a vehicle when it was finally fielded in 1917 to the Lincoln Machine two years earlier. French has primacy for neither invention, for effective development, nor for first use. There is some claim for innovation with the Renault FT, but by this time the Germans were building tanks too. ] (]) 19:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
	::As Andy says, the U.K. actually '''''did''''' something (with Little Willie, etc.), and put it into action, while others were dithering around and waited to see somebody else put it into practice. I'm no Anglophile, but in this one, the U.K. was clearly the innovator. --] \| ] 20:07, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

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	@Orange Mike: With respect, sir, that's not really the picture. I am a little nervous about contradicting you in case you fly into a rage, but I shall hope for the best. The French tried to produce tanks as fast as they could, although the delivery dates turned out to be highly optimistic. They didn't dither around and wait to see somebody else put them to use; Estienne on the one side and Swinton, Hankey, Churchill, Stern, etc on the other wanted to wait until both Britain and France had stockpiled enough tanks to stage a large and possibly decisive offensive, probably in 1917. When Haig insisted that they be used in September 1916 (he originally asked if any could be made available by June) the British tank men were as appalled as the French. ] (]) 17:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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	Hi, there is a ''sic'' about the typo - it is spelled as "Guages" in the original document and was in fact quite commonly spelled in that manner at that time. It still is, for that matter, but usually nowadays by the ignorant and those with literacy impediments :) - ] (]) 20:32, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
	: OK, I've reverted and stuck a comment on it, to stop anyone else falling down the same trap. Thanks for pointing it out. ] (]) 20:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
	::It is a tricky area. I think that somewhere in ] there is a provision that permits correction of obvious typos in the source. I vaguely recall looking at the issue at the time, and coming to the conclusion that in this case it was not a typo but as per my message above. No big deal. - ] (]) 20:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

	== °C formatting ==

	If you look carefully at ], it specifies no space before ° for angles, but a space is needed for temperatures: "Non-alphabetic symbols for degrees, minutes and seconds for angles and coordinates and the percent sign are unspaced (for example, 5° 24′ 21.12″ N for coordinates, 90° for an angle, 47% for a percentage, but 18 °C for a temperature)." Cheers! ] ] 21:56, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

	== "Patronising Tosser" ==


	Calling another editor a "Patronising tosser", as you recently did on ], is not helpful. Yes, the comment you replied to was an insult (and I have warned the user for that), but we all need to rise above such bad behavior instead of giving in to the temptation to lower ourselves by replying in kind. --] (]) 16:58, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

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Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels

Hi Andy

You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm

Regards Bruce

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

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The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

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Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

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Given that you're already at 4RR, you might want to think about self-reverting.

My apologies for the last one though, I think we edit-conflicted when I wl'ed the article for a notable author (the one you keep removing altogether). Andy Dingley (talk) 16:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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