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== No Idea Time ==

I think that's the first time I've ever seen anyone on QT be honest and say they don't have any expertise to answer with :) tickled me! Kudos. {{small|for everyone else, Jimbo is currently on BBC1 in the UK on ] - put it on!}} --''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 23:27, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
::Seconded. Best moment on QT ever. ''"The advantage of not being a politician, is that I can say 'I have no idea'"'' – Jimmy Wales. ] ]⁄] 01:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
:::That is just... Wonderful. I wish politicians would admit that more often. ~~ ] <sup>]</sup> 04:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Surprising that ] claimed to have "just checked" his Misplaced Pages entry and could confirm that his £900,000 salary "was not there". More surprising still that the co-founder of Misplaced Pages was not asked to correct him. Facts do sometimes miraculously disappear from Misplaced Pages from time to time, of course. But there seems to have been a bit of frantic editing of King's salary just before that TV programme was broadcast. Whoever that anon editor was! ] (]) 14:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Please note, everyone, that trying to watch this on YouTube is not a good idea. There are several videos there pretending to be that programme, but they are all fake. They consist of a small number of stills from the programme and no sound, and start with the text "Youtube will delete this video Watch this episode at ...". The URL given in the video as well as the link lead to a site where I could not actually watch the programme. They asked me to complete one of four surveys first, and the completion of any of them would have required giving them my mobile phone number and PIN so they can commit a subscription fraud against me. In my case the surveys were localised for Austria, but I assume for other countries they will have other scams. I flagged the videos for attention by Google, but they are still up. ] ] 01:06, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:Note the episode is at the BBC. I (assuming all of the United States as well) can't view the video, however. ] (]) 01:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:Update: The fraudulent videos uploaded by YouTube user nkosisanders are still up. If anyone knows how to contact YouTube in such a way that they take a complaint seriously (i.e. not just flagging as spam/scam so that the person looking at it thinks a normal copyvio has been misflagged and ''therefore'' simply ignores it), then please let me know. ] ] 08:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Encouraging more WikiProjects ==

I am beginning to see why you have been recommending more people to join the various 2,000 or so semi-dormant ]. The massive amount of work being done to improve quality in Misplaced Pages cannot be understood, unless considered in terms of hundreds of groups of collaborating users. As a member of ] (Guild of Copy Editors), this year, we are seeing about 800 articles "corrected" during each of the end-of-year backlog drives, by 30-50 people. The November 2011 drive is:
:* ]
Many of those articles involve partial rewrites of text sections which were rambling or unclear. All together, the GOCE Guild (and friends) seems to have made about 80,000 small changes to the tagged articles, each month, during the July/September drives. Those people seem to be very cooperative, and when a bizarre article is spotted, then discussions on the GOCE talk-page tend to resolve the problems within a few hours. However, about 500 more scruffy articles (each with dozens of punctuation or grammar errors) are tagged for {copyedit|date=} each month, and hence, the GOCE Guild is falling behind by about 100 ''more'' articles being left uncorrected each month. People must understand that Misplaced Pages's quality improvements can only be handled by many hundreds of groups of people working in teams. Hence, we need to encourage these hundreds of efforts. I am thinking:
* "'''WikiProject of WikiProjects'''" should visit each to offer support or cross-WikiProject advice to help make the teams work faster (WP:GOCE cannot reduce the backlog of 1,000 more tagged articles, every 2 months, by only fixing 800 articles in each drive). More editors are needed.
* "'''WikiProject Enrollment'''" needs to advertise system-wide across Misplaced Pages, to encourage people to "enroll" or join into a WikiProject as a place to find other people with shared interests, and less hostility.
Many of the various 2,000 WikiProjects have become dormant, but the resulting quality of Misplaced Pages articles which they left is somewhat amazing, in terms of the broad scope of details which has expanded many one-liner "sub-stubs" into larger stubs with some real content. We just need to keep reminding people to join the active WikiProjects, and try to avoid unproductive conflicts with hostile users who do not like to work in cooperative teams. I hope other people will help expand these efforts, whenever someone mentions how "abusive" other editors are acting. -] (]) 02:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

<s>屌你老母 --<small>] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup></small> 02:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)</s>
:::::The above is not Dave1185, it is ]. - ] <sub><font color="maroon">]</font></sub> 03:54, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

:The next general survey can include questions about familiarity with the WikiProjects (as well as with the ], the ], the ], and the ]).
:—] (]) 03:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

:The ] can mention WikiProjects in its ].
:—] (]) 19:19, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:: Suggesting to join WikiProjects in the "]" does sound like a great idea, to spread the word with less effort. Even experienced editors often run across the new "Welcome messages" or other user-talk pages, so older editors would often see a "join-WikiProjects" note, if sent to new users. -] 16:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

:See ] (permanent link ).
:—] (]) 19:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== BLP case ==

Jimbo, could I ask you to have a look at ]? It's a BLP that contains personally damaging information, based on a single secondary source from two years ago that the publisher recently removed from their website following lengthy legal action by the BLP subject. Editors at the article insist that without a formally published retraction, the original article, although no longer available online, is still a reliable source, and inclusion of the material is fully in line with ] and ]. The material based on the source makes up about 25% of the entire BLP. Best, --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 13:57, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:How many different venues are you going to use to pursue this? You got no traction at BLPN -- the one editor who seemed to support your approach (Bbb23) changed his mind (deciding to support inclusion) when he read the actual article. Even Scott MacDonald didn't see fit to get involved. In any event this looks to me like a clear instance of canvassing, and even though I have explicitly defended you against others' worries that you might not be approaching this one in good faith, I'm done with that now. For those who might take an interest -- a key principle here is ]: sources do not have to be available online, and it is indeed the case that the article has not been retracted. Furthermore the material is not based on a single source, we also have the fact that the journal ''Citizenship Studies'' retracted one of Abbas's articles because it contained plagiarism. ] (]) 15:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::You can only use SOURCEACCESS as an argument if you are citing the paper source - not when citing an online source that is no longer available.]·] 15:48, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:::What? I read the paper source originally. I am citing a paper source. ] (]) 15:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Is the source verifiable now that it's not online? We would have a very different encyclopedia if people could just say "I read it somewhere." Even though I'm not doubting you did. Anyway I'll jump on over to the article discussion since that is where this all should be sorted out :) <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:green">'''Quinn'''</span> <font color="black">]</font> 21:40, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::No opinion (yet?) on whether the information should be included, but I think you misread the previous post. The best source for the claim appears to be an article in ], a high-quality weekly ''print'' magazine with an excellent reach. (To judge from my experience, it seems to be available in the social rooms of all British university departments.) The article was also available on the THE website, but it appears that it has been pulled specifically, for reasons unknown. ] ] 22:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::It was removed as part of a settlement of a defamation claim. --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 16:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::What is the evidence for this statement, Jayen? ] (]) 17:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== Royalist shenanigans ==

Hello Jimbo, I just noticed you once took an interest in the shenanigans of one {{user|Rapportroyal}} and an apparently fake reference he was adding , so you might be interested in a thread I just opened at ]. Unfortunately these spam links to the alleged ''"Annuaire de la Noblesse Moderne des Maisons Principales de l'Europe"'' by "Kozma Prutkov" have been inserted on several other wikis too and are now being used to support edit-warring by the agenda accounts on various "French legitimism" articles. ] ] 15:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Ты заебал уже со своими обращениями. Я нихуя не дам тебе денег, сраный пендос. Достало уже видеть твою рожу и рожу твоего волосатого программиста. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:12, 26 November 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== .... ==

so, shall i start editing via the "Don't Talk With Me" account now? or shall i wait for you to tell me when?.... You said that your gonna post a message on my talk page saying that you've spoken with me and that i promised you that ill behave.....

Again, thankyou for giving me a chance, god bless. again, i promise to stick with the Don't Talk With Me account and be the best editor ever.] (]) 18:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Dear Mr Wales ==

I think a free dictionary of expressions should be founded as a Wikimedia Project. ] (]) 20:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

:See http://en.wiktionary.org/Category:English_idioms.
:—] (]) 20:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== You need a new marketing scheme. ==

I figured it was about that time of year for Misplaced Pages to start begging people for money. Telling us if we were to donate now you'd be able to end your whining but where do your statistics from?! Stop with these pointless appeals, we all know you have people write them for you; another thing, nobody cares about seeing 'appeals' from some nobodies. Spend some of that money you're raising and get at least some sort of D-List celebrity. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

(P.S.) - I'm not a ] - my I.P. resets everytime I log onto my internet. --01:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

(i.e. - in this case, I'm still logged on and never disconnected. K? Thanks. --] (]) 01:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
:What the IP lists above is, in my opinion, actually kind of a good idea. If we "cough" <i>persuade</i> someone working at one of the UN's departments relating to world knowledge/children/whatever, it might garner more support and donations then, with all due respect, Brandon Harris. Just pointing this out. Or it could run alongside the other stories. A thing to consider come next October. ] (]) 03:21, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

* '''''Appeals from nobodies did work:''''' The data showed that the Brandon Harris banner was very popular. Perhaps it is because many people who contribute do not think it "begging" to fund a volunteer organization. Ironically, a key dispute was the exact number of WM staff ("73" or "93" people), so next time, perhaps remind people to just say "nearly 100" or such. I think encyclopedia readers notice the small details, so it is best to avoid precise details, unless there is quality-control phase for copy-editing the details in a fundraiser banner. -] (]) 04:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
::Looks like I shouldn't be speaking about topics I'm not familiar with. But anyway, maybe someone of more international renown would generate even more <s>bling</s> donations? ] (]) 04:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Potential donors to non-profits often appreciate hearing from those who are actually doing the work (speaking about a topic I am familiar with). It can make it much more personal and real to hear from a volunteer who is passionate about the project, a programmer/employee who believes strongly in the project, etc. But we should all see what the results are before judging, keeping in mind that this is a very challenging time for non-profit fundraising. ] (]) 05:17, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


== ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2024 ==
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On average, people have stopped leaving: the count never drops below 34,000 active editors. That stability gives the WMF resource planners the controlled usage pattern they need to expect 34,000 active editors each month.<br/><br/>'''''Who were those people who left?'''''&nbsp; Well, along with active users who were edit-banned, about 3,000 "average editors" left in June 2010, and do not seem to have returned. I am suspecting that they were some groups of students who left in June 2010, but now the remaining 34,000 editors do not take "summer wikibreak" as others did in past years. The final core of 34,000 editors seem to work each month, regardless of the northern hemisphere summer-break period beginning in June. However, it could be that more students (or others) use home computers to continue editing Misplaced Pages when school ends (or on vacations).<br />Meanwhile, because some other-language Wikipedias are growing in active editors, such as ], the total of all-language active Wikipedians has been growing, slightly, for the past 5 months (October: 80,630 active editors, all-languages). Anyway, the so-called "mass exit" of editors since 2007 has clearly ended. Tell the Foundation not to turn off the lights yet: those 34,000 editors intend to stay all year at the party! -] (]) 05:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


== Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder! ==
'''''Reduced activity of remaining active editors'''''
>10 edits/month (one every three days on average) isn't much, especially if those are relatively minor edits, or include several attempts to get one edit right, or include editors who only hit that number for one month as opposed to several months running. Can we see the numbers for total edits per month over time? I'm interested in finding out if the current anecdotal evidence of previously high-level contributors (>150 edits/month perhaps) dropping down to maintenance (>10/month) is actually as prevalent as it appears. I want to make sure we're all seeing the big picture, not just one statistic over time. ] (]) 18:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! ] (]) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Fund-raising appeal ==


==]==
How much money are you hoping to raise? How much do you have so far? --] (]) 07:05, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.
:See ]. Regards, '''] ]''' <sub>]</sub>''<sup>]</sup>'' 13:50, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


Could you or your page watchers help me with ]? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.
== Maybe you should read it... ==


I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. ] (]) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Jimbo, although we keep removing it because the editor just keeps creating new disposable userids in order to ], I'll link to one of his earlier attempts to post it. Seeing as my name is mentioned, I have no issues with anyone reviewing either the situation or my role within it. where he added it, and the first blocked account is ]. (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 14:15, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
* Yet another highly experienced user has gotten caught in the ''sock-block-complain-newsock-newblock'' quicksand trap. This time it looks like the admins are targeting the victim as a case of ''sock-block-complain-resock-ban-from-Misplaced Pages''. The user was careful to keep the original account secret, so might be able to return to editing, peacefully, even though the intent is to edit-ban the user due to being caught in the sock-trap. I wonder if the people working on policy ] knew this would drive many experienced users to leave WP. -] (]) 16:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

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    Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

    Albert Percy Godber

    Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.

    Could you or your page watchers help me with Draft:Albert Percy Godber? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.

    I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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