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			:Thank you, Gerda. That is kind. You really are so kind and good. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
			:: blushing a bit - I heard good music today, ] --] (]) 17:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::I will look that up to listen to. I’ll also try to find something nice to send you in return. Thank you again for your kindness; today has been pretty dark otherwise. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:18, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

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			== Precious anniversary ==
	The fk? Dangerous Liz from hell. ] (]) 01:10, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
	~~:Suck~~ ~~it up, beeyotch. Plus I am bold. Feel free to revert and discuss.~~ ] (]) 01:14, 24 ~~October~~ ~~2011~~ (UTC~~) ;) (a wink to convey my humourous intent~~)		{{User QAIbox/auto\|years=Eight}} --] (]) 06:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
	::Ouch, but if you think that level of internet tough guy impresses me, than well, fk you dude. Also, these days obsessed with . ] (]) 01:21, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::Sheh. Pulled out the big guns so soon? Lord, I miss them; must've seen them at least a dozen times... And surely you're not discovering the glories of Leonard Cohen only so late? He's something of an eternal good, in my book. ] (]) 01:34, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
	::::Hes ok, but a bit obtuse and gay. And by the way, beeyotch, I'll b 21 in June, so fuck you on your merry way. <small>Joke; I'm not actually 20, I'm 22 1/2.</small> ] (]) 14:14, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

			:Thank you, Gerda. This is so kind. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:30, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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			:::She was an amazing woman. I may not be be here much an longer, but I had respect for her beyond words. ] <sup>]</sup> 02:57, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

	He spoke and wrote in Persian, and was born in Khorasan (no Turks there). So, please don't revert in future. Thanks. ] (]) 13:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
	:And your explanation of the fact that it is credibly sourced is...? ] (]) 13:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
	::I see the explanation in your edit summary; I'll review. ] (]) 13:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::He wrote in Persian, but the source is a reliable one and it does say he was from a Turkish family. Our opinions are really not very useful here, and how anyone can say there were no Turks there at that time is something I can't understand. ] (]) 17:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

	== ~~New~~ ~~section~~ ==		==Stopping by ... ==
			... to wish you a happy fourth! Good to see you floating by on my watchlist. Hope all is well. Best, ] (]) 23:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
			:Thank you, Vic! I don’t know how much I’m actually “back”, but I have been editing a bit, and as long as it stays fun, I’m in. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

			== Hi Liz! ==
	Greetings friend. I was told to pass the following message on to you: "Meowy is asking that you email him." With regards, --] (]) 06:41, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
	:Thank you for letting me know, Marshal. I'm on it. :) ] (]) 21:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

			Nice to see your talk page pop up in my watchlist. Hope you and yours are safe and healthy during these times. --] (]) 17:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
	==Potatoes==
	My last repsonce to you on my talk made no sence. Just just forget it. ] (]) 14:44, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	:Forget what? No idea what you're talking about. Are you off your meds? ] (]) 14:45, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	::No its not like that; I just misread. ] (]) 15:19, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	:::Already forgotten is what I meant, in all seriousness. ] (]) 15:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Seems like double jeporady and too many layers of irony. Lets start again, <adds deodirant> Hi I'm paul, how do you do? ] (]) 15:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	::::::Seldom say/write it, but LO-effin'-L. :D ] (]) 15:29, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::Hey, that deodirant was imported from russia special, €0.35 a can. It might be cheap, but you cant say I dont have lots of it on. ] (]) 16:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::I refuse to answer on the grounds I may incriminate myself. ] (]) 16:19, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::The bear russian guy told me "women love that shit" (his exact words). I'm wearing €3.90 worth of the suff now. Enough to charm a woman or kill a cat or my money back. (Tabby is looking deciedly woozy bty) ] (]) 17:46, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::::I'm a bit unclear on the desired outcome? ] (]) 18:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::Me too, and I gave him 10 quid. ] (]) 18:39, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
	:Cheers for all the help in the last few days. ] (]) 20:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
	::Happy to help, as always. I'll carry on, but I only have one decent source on me at the moment. What else do you feel needs doing at the moment? I have a few visual changes I'd suggest, if they can be managed, and the "Range" section is currently a bit confusing (some brief notes in my ]), but is there anything in particular you think needs expansion?
	::, by the way. ] (]) 20:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
	:::Its very early days yet, the page isn't even half written, so any changes you think are needed, knock yourself out. I want to just add for now, I'll worry about org later, but fell free to move things about if it pleases my lady. O and what source you have. A co-editor on this one would be welcome as its a fairly large undertaking, and I'm just not that energetic! By tks for the so far work, dear. ] (]) 20:42, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
	::::Hahaha, yes, that's the one. I'm actually able to remove it from the shelf, now that guardcat is gone.
	::::I've been trying to figure out how to change the nasty colours on the timeline... The orange ''is'' better, but only just. Makes me feel like I have new messages from the lot of them. ] (]) 20:49, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
	:::::The timeline colour needs to be muted; so as not to enduce eplipetic fits on our readers. And sorry to hear about guardcat; her face looked a bit loke how I imaging Malleus. ] (]) 21:00, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
	::::::That, my friend, is the august ]. He's been gone for a while now, unfortunately. I can see the resemblance, though :D
	::::::We should probably work on beefing up the "In Popular Culture" section as well... There's a sad lack of references to Monty Python usage, just for starters. ] (]) 21:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::I've been trawling the net for that and for Family guy references. And it would seem none of the works were ever used during a ] entrance. I expected better fromk Rick. The world is going to hell in a hat. ] (]) 21:17, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::. Cheers. Much appreciated and nicely done. ] (]) 00:06, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::Glad you think it works. It took a bit of mulling over & messing with. ] (]) 00:08, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::And I'm not sure I'm entirely happy with the way the last bit (on the French, Germans and Estonians) just sits there... haven't quite come up with a way to integrate it better yet. ] (]) 00:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Its a tricky one, but your solution to the very acquard word "range", that - I - put into the title, is far better, tks. And there was some very odd, vague, sentence structures in there, now gone, I guess some from the 1919 britinnaca. A lot of the primary sources are from the late 19th / early 20th c, so they can be hard to pin down as to exacly what it is they mean exactly; they tended towards verbiage, and them some. More recent writers tend to be clear almost to the point of bluntness; short sentences, fact fact fact. No coincidence I suppose. ] (]) 00:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::::Thanks :). There were definitely a couple of things in there that I just couldn't make head or tail of; it was just too vague, and not always referenced, so I took it out. ] (]) 00:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::I hear your edit summary, so its good night from me. zz. Tune though. zz. . ] (]) 00:41, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::Lovely. My mind's blank for a good tune to send back... too caught up in the Netherlands ;). ] (]) 00:46, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::::You'll have to try better than that with me. Well phrased excuse but I dont doubt that with a little effort you have a up your sleeve. Anyway; seriously this time....zz. ] (]) 00:58, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::::::The only thing I have this evening - it's been in my head all day - . Both yours beat mine, at least for contextual tone.] (]) 01:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::::::::Now thats scary. My first girlfiend was sister of that band's singers girlfriend (if you can follow that), and he was some nutter. He introduced us to Buzzcocks and PiL v early, and ] and the early electro bands when we were 16. V wierd mention, esp form a, well, bird. I cant, or am afraid to top that so, just, zz with . ] (]) 01:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::::::::::Nah, I loved those guys. I didn't realize they were quite so local to you, though I did know they were Irish. Trying to remember where I first heard them.... It may have been the "I'm Your Fan" Cohen tribute album. I have at least two of their albums somewhere. On cassette. Something quieter in the meantime ] (]) 01:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	:Last post honestly; but like and hear where that tune is coming from, and can only say . zz for real this time. 01:41, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
	::Now I'm curious about Mr Mansions, but it can wait 'til morning. ] (]) 02:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

			:It’s been a journey, KB! My family is in some poor health, and while COVID is not responsible for that, it has made travelling to help them quite difficult. Hope things are better with you. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
	== Hemingway ==
			::I moved(<small>still in Kansas</small>) and found a better paying job. My kids and grandkids are doing well. Hope your family's health situation improves. Take care!--] (]) 00:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
			:::I moved too… but where is probably obvious. Thank you for your kind note! ] <sup>]</sup> 23:13, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

			==Darkest before dawn and all that==
	I need to stop. My eyes are spinning! I'll copy over your changes tomorrow - I have a little free time this week because of the holiday, so can pick at this. Thanks so much for helping. I'm not too impressed with the writing, but it's hard to stitch together sources and overwrite an existing page. I need to do some work with the sources and will go in later for a major copyedit. Also, I'm finding some sections are gone, sections that I specifically remember writing, so I'll have to find those in history, and I'm finding sources I've never read or added. In other words, it's beginning to degrade quite a lot. But that's life here. Anyway, if we don't touch bases in the next few days, enjoy your Thanksgiving. ] (]) 02:21, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
			Stay hydrated, 1000mg of C three times a day. Horrible stuff now, but you have a long way to go after the present becomes the tolerable past. ] (]) 04:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
	:Happy to help! Actually, I need to knock off for the evening too - my phone was lost most of the day, and I just discovered that my Mom has literally called me 20 times. Probably nothing serious, but I'm guessing I ought to give her a call so she doesn't think I'm dead or something. I should have some time over the next few days, though, so I'll just pick up on whatever section is next. And of course, have a great Thanksgiving too! ] (]) 02:35, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
			:I’m doing my best. ] <sup>]</sup> 02:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
			::Randy, thank you for posting, and for better or worse, that is alas how life works. Things were touch and go earlier in the week, but there has been some ruling out, and it looks like there will be more good years for Liz's mam. ] (]) 03:41, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
			:Your best seems quite considerable. Good, and glad your mom (and Ceoil, your mom-in-law) is doing better. ] (]) 02:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
			::Thank you, Randy. It never quite feels like enough, but at least there is light at the end of the tunnel. ] <sup>]</sup> 02:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
			:::''/Risker sends some big hugs and cups of tea to the Kafka Liz family. ] (]) 03:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)''
			::::Thank you, Risker! I’m so burnt out at the moment, but it is getting better. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
			:::::Haven't logged in for a week or more and just saw this. So sorry KL to hear. As Risker says, sending big hugs, tea, chocolate, and all other comforting things. Please let me know if there's anything I can help with. ] (]) 20:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
			::::::Thank you, Vic… I really wish there was. Things are looking bad again, though hopefully that is temporary. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:51, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::Oh, that's not good. I'm thinking of you and if you want to chat or to vent, please don't hesitate. Dealing with ill family members is beyond stressful, it's just hell, to be honest. Sending good thoughts and wishes for a turn for the better. ] (]) 16:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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			::::::: Thanking of you - little can I do but at least offer some healthy fruit and beauty and songs. ] (]) 21:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::Thank you both. I’m so worn out right now. ] <sup>]</sup> 04:10, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

			==Oh who ho oh ho==
	::Just to let you know that I'm blanking the page. I think everything else that needs to be done, can be done in mainspace. I probably won't get to it for a while - I'm taking it day by day but am inclined to be gone for a while. Just so you know and thanks again. ] (]) 02:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
			This classic by Erasure perfectly expresses the lonyless of when you have to be with parents far away.. I don't care that's its slightly kitsch, it perfectly expresses how much you are missed, by me, and the bastard Kitty.
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			I know ye yanks are proud of placing a man on the moon back in 1969, but us british isles folks put freddie mercury on the live aid stage in '85 for 30 odd glorious moments. ipso facto the wedding present are better than early pixies. This is a matter we are willing to go to war over and ye have been telt. ] (]) 15:05, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

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			I understand that your parents are sick? That must be tough. Hard to keep singing in hard times, but I'll keep it up as long as I can. ] --] (]) 07:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
			:Thank you, Gerda. My mother died two weeks ago. ] <sup>]</sup> 04:28, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
			:: I am so sorry to hear that, wish I could hug you! - - my mother also died in a March, and lives on in the little flowers she loved and taught me to love, and many songs --] (]) 07:51, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
			::Ah, Liz, I'm so sorry to read this news. Big (virtual) hugs from me too. Sympathy and condolences to all the members of the KL & Ceoil families. You've had a long hard time of it - give yourself time to grieve. Thinking of you and sending good thoughts your way. ] (]) 18:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
			::My sincerest condolences, Liz. Take care. --] (]) 20:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
			*Just wanted to thank you all for your kind words. Things are pretty tough at the moment. I feel very lost. ] <sup>]</sup> 10:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
			*:Please don't hesitate to reach out, whenever, where ever. Friends are friends, in good times and bad! Plus, ping. ] (]) 20:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
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			:: little flowers, thinking of you, and perhaps you like the video of Pink Floyd given to me (my talk)! --] (]) 21:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
			:: new: blossoming cherry trees --] (]) 20:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
			:: new: , peace doves and icecream - perhaps something for you --] (]) 20:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
			*Very sorry for your news....all of my best wishes...] (]) 13:41, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
			*:Thank you, Modernist, and also thanks to Victoria and Gerda. I’ve been doing very poorly - this was something of a shock, despite knowing she was ill. My mom had been in and out of hospitals and nursing homes for about six months. In that time, the cancer she had was not treated and so metactacised. We thought she could start treatment again once she was home, but it was too late. Every day Iwonder if what I decided was right. ] <sup>]</sup> 02:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
			*:::Those are such difficult decisions and there's never any guarantee with the outcomes. I can't say don't beat yourself up, because I'd be doing the same. Still, try not to. Sending big hugs. ] (]) 21:20, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
			*:::: thank you, Victoria, you phrased so well what I felt but didn't know how to say --] (]) 08:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
			*::Also thanks to Kansas Bear. I’m sorry - still very much a wreck. ] <sup>]</sup> 02:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

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February flowers

plant hope --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. That is kind. You really are so kind and good. User:Kafka Liz 16:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

blushing a bit - I heard good music today, BWV 159 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

I will look that up to listen to. I’ll also try to find something nice to send you in return. Thank you again for your kindness; today has been pretty dark otherwise. User:Kafka Liz 17:18, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. This is so kind. User:Kafka Liz 18:30, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

... a good habit, start the morning with remembering thankfulness ... - I came to thank you for what you said to SlimVirgin! I had a pleasantly busy weekend so missed it then. - I found amazing how she redecorated her talk and user page, as kind of telling us how to think of her, and what matters. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

She was an amazing woman. I may not be be here much an longer, but I had respect for her beyond words. User:Kafka Liz 02:57, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Stopping by ...

... to wish you a happy fourth! Good to see you floating by on my watchlist. Hope all is well. Best, Victoria (tk) 23:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Vic! I don’t know how much I’m actually “back”, but I have been editing a bit, and as long as it stays fun, I’m in. User:Kafka Liz 16:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz!

Nice to see your talk page pop up in my watchlist. Hope you and yours are safe and healthy during these times. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

It’s been a journey, KB! My family is in some poor health, and while COVID is not responsible for that, it has made travelling to help them quite difficult. Hope things are better with you. User:Kafka Liz 23:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

I moved(still in Kansas) and found a better paying job. My kids and grandkids are doing well. Hope your family's health situation improves. Take care!--Kansas Bear (talk) 00:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I moved too… but where is probably obvious. Thank you for your kind note! User:Kafka Liz 23:13, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Darkest before dawn and all that

Stay hydrated, 1000mg of C three times a day. Horrible stuff now, but you have a long way to go after the present becomes the tolerable past. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I’m doing my best. User:Kafka Liz 02:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Randy, thank you for posting, and for better or worse, that is alas how life works. Things were touch and go earlier in the week, but there has been some ruling out, and it looks like there will be more good years for Liz's mam. Ceoil (talk) 03:41, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Your best seems quite considerable. Good, and glad your mom (and Ceoil, your mom-in-law) is doing better. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Randy. It never quite feels like enough, but at least there is light at the end of the tunnel. User:Kafka Liz 02:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

/Risker sends some big hugs and cups of tea to the Kafka Liz family. Risker (talk) 03:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Risker! I’m so burnt out at the moment, but it is getting better. User:Kafka Liz 03:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Haven't logged in for a week or more and just saw this. So sorry KL to hear. As Risker says, sending big hugs, tea, chocolate, and all other comforting things. Please let me know if there's anything I can help with. Victoria (tk) 20:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Vic… I really wish there was. Things are looking bad again, though hopefully that is temporary. User:Kafka Liz 01:51, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that's not good. I'm thinking of you and if you want to chat or to vent, please don't hesitate. Dealing with ill family members is beyond stressful, it's just hell, to be honest. Sending good thoughts and wishes for a turn for the better. Victoria (tk) 16:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

September songs

Thanking of you - little can I do but at least offer some healthy fruit and beauty and songs. Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both. I’m so worn out right now. User:Kafka Liz 04:10, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh who ho oh ho

This classic by Erasure perfectly expresses the lonyless of when you have to be with parents far away.. I don't care that's its slightly kitsch, it perfectly expresses how much you are missed, by me, and the bastard Kitty. Ceoil (talk) 04:33, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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		Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Kings (Bramantino) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks, JB, after a truly dreadful year. User:Kafka Liz 04:57, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

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Tune

I know ye yanks are proud of placing a man on the moon back in 1969, but us british isles folks put freddie mercury on the live aid stage in '85 for 30 odd glorious moments. ipso facto the wedding present are better than early pixies. This is a matter we are willing to go to war over and ye have been telt. Ceoil (talk) 15:05, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

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Precious
Nine years!

Precious anniversary

I understand that your parents are sick? That must be tough. Hard to keep singing in hard times, but I'll keep it up as long as I can. Prayer for Ukraine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. My mother died two weeks ago. User:Kafka Liz 04:28, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I am so sorry to hear that, wish I could hug you! - music and flowers instead - my mother also died in a March, and lives on in the little flowers she loved and taught me to love, and many songs --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, Liz, I'm so sorry to read this news. Big (virtual) hugs from me too. Sympathy and condolences to all the members of the KL & Ceoil families. You've had a long hard time of it - give yourself time to grieve. Thinking of you and sending good thoughts your way. Victoria (tk) 18:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

My sincerest condolences, Liz. Take care. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Just wanted to thank you all for your kind words. Things are pretty tough at the moment. I feel very lost. Kafka Liz 10:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Please don't hesitate to reach out, whenever, where ever. Friends are friends, in good times and bad! Plus, ping. Victoria (tk) 20:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

April songs

little flowers, thinking of you, and perhaps you like the video of Pink Floyd given to me (my talk)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

new: blossoming cherry trees --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

new: dance and singing, peace doves and icecream - perhaps something for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Very sorry for your news....all of my best wishes...Modernist (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, Modernist, and also thanks to Victoria and Gerda. I’ve been doing very poorly - this was something of a shock, despite knowing she was ill. My mom had been in and out of hospitals and nursing homes for about six months. In that time, the cancer she had was not treated and so metactacised. We thought she could start treatment again once she was home, but it was too late. Every day Iwonder if what I decided was right. Kafka Liz 02:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Those are such difficult decisions and there's never any guarantee with the outcomes. I can't say don't beat yourself up, because I'd be doing the same. Still, try not to. Sending big hugs. Victoria (tk) 21:20, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thank you, Victoria, you phrased so well what I felt but didn't know how to say --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Also thanks to Kansas Bear. I’m sorry - still very much a wreck. Kafka Liz 02:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

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Tatars

Hello, image of Tatars page looks like very old and not very aesthetic to represent something. I believe my edit was better. Please reconsider it to use again. If you want to undo my edit, can you at least change with something new or looking better? Volgabulgari (talk) 00:34, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I like both images, personally, and I thought the older image was preferable in that it showed both men and women in traditional costume. I will see if I can find something else, though, and we can talk about it. Thanks, Kafka Liz 10:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

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my women's day story

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sharing impressions from vacation on Madeira 20-30 March, pics now at 24 Mar from the peaks, and the last of that day almost looks like your icon ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this, Gerda. I’m not here much at all anymore, so coming back to something like this is lovely. Kafka Liz 14:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Good to hear your voice! My choir celebrated 50 years today - more on my talk, and I'll upload at least one pic on my talk shortly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Do! That is lovely to hear! I celebrated a 50th just last year ;) Kafka Liz 23:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

September songs
my story today

Thank you, and belated congratulations for your birthday! - Thank you for your share of Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych, pictured on the Main page today. The last biography that I improved (because she died) was Margherita Rinaldi. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Misplaced Pages (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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