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| Hello again {{u|Willietell}}. Since we have again recently discussed conflict of interest, I would like to explain a little more and show evidence of what constitutes conflict of interest (]). I would not start posting templates on talk pages of regulars except for edit warring or vandalism, but on Misplaced Pages we commonly use these related templates: ] (useful for organization or company articles with mainly edits from involved editor(s)), ] (for talk page headers), ] (quite similar to an organization writing on itself, but this is for individuals writing about themselves); we also have ] to warn users. The message is clear: involved editors are likely to not be able to objectively write about the companies or organizations they are very involved in, this is not an insult or attack but normal human behavior. | |||
| Although it is in no way forbidden, we commonly call single purpose accounts (]) the accounts of editors which are only (or almost only) editing on a particular topic. The edit history of editors thus says a lot about the level of conflict of interest. SPA is not a baseless accusation of COI, it is evidence of COI. | |||
| {{unblock reviewed | 1=I've been blocked because of a false accusation of holding multiple accounts from a group of very hostile editors consisting of the following editors (Jeffro77, BlackCab, Vyselink, Dougweller. who have exercised a campaign of hostility since I edited a page on bible chronology and another one on Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs. After I requested that the page on Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs be deleted because it is written is an inaccurate and hostile manner, they have become even more obtuse. I was banned without even any notification of a problem, is this the way things are done on Misplaced Pages? What can I do to rectify this, or is it simply more logical to create a new account since I have only held an account for a few days now anyway? As I am new to Misplaced Pages, I am unsure of exactly how to proceed, please help. Thanks. Additionally, I would like to receive specific, detailed instruction on how I proceed with filing a complaint against these four editors for the way they have dealt with me in what I feel is an act of gross misconduct, for which I personally feel that all four editors should be permanently banned from Misplaced Pages. Three of these editors have demonstrated ] in editing pages that claim to dispense information regarding the beliefs and doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses, but do so in a negative manner with little regard for the actual truth. I tried to discuss the pages with the editors in question, but was met with little more than hostility from a mob mindset in return. The "Leader of the band" so to speak, appears to be Jeffro77, with Vyselink and Blackcab as his lieutenants. DougWeller seems to be involved to a lesser degree, and is perhaps an innocent victim of circumstance, but I have a feeling that he is actually involved, this I have included his username as well. Please refer to the talk pages of the Misplaced Pages articles listed, Thank you. http://en.wikipedia.org/Development_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_doctrine http://en.wikipedia.org/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_beliefs http://en.wikipedia.org/Chronology_of_the_Bible | decline=Currently available technical and behavioral evidence indicates a strong relationship between this user and {{user|Spudpicker 01}}. Using multiple accounts to imply more support for a position than actually exists is a very severe violation of WIkipedia's policies and guidelines. The account created first has been blocked for a week, and this account should remain indefinitely blocked, unless the user wishes, after serving the block and committing to no longer abuse the multiple-account privilege, to use this as the single account, then the other can be indeffed instead. -- ] (]) 17:12, 15 December 2011 (UTC)}} | |||
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| {{unblock reviewed | 1=I've been blocked because of a false accusation of holding multiple accounts. ] I know that the relationship will "seem" to be a close one, as I have already explained to the parties involved in the interest of being open about the situation(posted on the talk page of http://en.wikipedia.org/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_beliefs) that a friend of mine, who shares similar views regarding the material on this website decided to create their own account and submit the request for deletion of the page after I told them I was undecided on whether it was worth effort to do so. They, in my home, on my computer, took it upon themselves, over my objections, to do this. Your reasoning that I would in any way NEED to create a GHOST account to do this is illogical at best, since I hadn't even created an account myself at this particular time and only really did so because I felt that if my friend would go to such effort, then I might as well continue the process of attempting to make honest and reliable changes to the site in question. I let the people on the page know that a friend created an account and finished the request for deletion, so there was no attempt at deception involved, everything has been open and honest, please look at the talk page and you will see that this is true. Again, no attempt at deception was involved and from what i read at ], the rule seems to attempt to eliminate attempts at deception, which hasn't ever been in question here, since I explained to them the situation up front. I don't have multiple accounts, only this one and as far as I can tell from the rules, there is no rule that states that two users may not utilize the same computer. As for whether my friend will ever choose to use the <span id="Spudpicker 01">] <span class="plainlinks " >(] '''·''' ])</span></span> account again or not, I really can't tell you, because I am not him and don't make decisions for him, However you are depriving me of using an account I set up because the other editors requested I set one up and after doing so, this is the result. I would respectfully request that you reconsider your decision, as you haven't really examined all the facts or considered all the relevant information.] (]) 18:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC) | accept= OK. I will assume good faith, give you the benefit of the doubt, and unblock this account, leaving Spudpicker 01 blocked. However, please be ''very'' careful as to whom you allow to use your computer and login in the future, as this excuse will probably not work a second time. Good Luck. -- ] (]) 18:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)}} | |||
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| Willietell, I'm happy you got it sorted; I've collaped the above mesages. If the block was not correct, I'm truly sorry. I hope you'll prove me right, and do good things. Best of luck to you, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">]]</span></small> 21:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| == December 2011 == | |||
| ] Please do not add ] or ] of published material to articles as you apparently did to ]. Please cite a ] for all of your contributions. Thank you.<!-- Template:Uw-nor2 --> ''Although I've twice tried to explain this on the article talk page, I think I need to mention it here also. If you can find reliable sources interpreting the Bible the way you do, you can use those, but you can't use the Bible to construct an argument in the way you are trying to do.'' ] (]) 22:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| Have a good day, | |||
| — ]] — 03:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
| : Your own talk page clearly shows your own conflict of interest when it comes to pages related to Jehovah's Witnesses, maybe you should refrain from tossing stones near your glass house ] (]) 18:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == False accusations == | |||
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| In your recent comments at ], you have made a number of accusations. You will be reported to admins if these matters are not dealt with in a timely fashion. | |||
| #Your claim that I run an "anti-Jehovah's Witness blog" is a misrepresentation, and your attempt to use an editor's off-Wiki opinions as a characterisation of Misplaced Pages edits is a breach of Misplaced Pages's harrassment policy: "Dredging up their off-site opinions to repeatedly challenge their edits can be a form of harassment". You are to retract the claim. | |||
| #Your use of 'scare quotes' in reference to '"another" editor' implies an accusation of sockpuppetry. You are to immeidately either retract the false claim or provide your alleged 'evidence' in support of your claim so it can be assessed by admins. | |||
| #Your claim about geolocation is obviously a lie, since you have no way of geolocating my Misplaced Pages account. I have no affiliation with any Misplaced Pages editor outside of Misplaced Pages. You are to immediately retract the false claim that you know ''anything at all'' about my 'geolocation'. | |||
| Additionally, your use of "as the editor plainly pointed out" is not a remotely reliable basis for your assertion that there is nothing wrong with your editing history, since the new editor's lengthy comments at the article's Talk page are obviously neither objective nor constructive. | |||
| I'll give you a few days to retract the false claims, after which your actions will be reported to admins if not properly handled. Thanks.--] (]) 08:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
| You should also be aware that even if you do not attempt to justify your recent insinuation of sockpuppetry, there is already evidence that you have been fully informed that your longstanding insinuations of such constitutes a personal attack, and that you are already explicitly aware that it is not appropriate to make such insinuations at article Talk pages.--] (]) 12:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
| As you seem to be inactive (which has happened in the past after inappropriate actions have been pointed out, though that may or may not be the case in this instance), I will leave this matter in abeyance until you resume editing.--] (]) 22:56, 13 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
| Reminder: this matter is still oustanding.--] (]) 10:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :How are things in Sydney? How's that for geo-location? Or are you still accusing me of lying? I don't have the time for your stupidity. You at least did, (I don't know if your still presently still do) run an anti_Jehovah's Witness blog, so don't deny it. Therefore your Conflict of interest is not in question to anyone who knows the facts. Nothing I have said is untrue, little you ever say seems to be true. I haven't logged into this fictitious pretend quasi-encyclopedia for years. I have never "implied" about your sockpuppetry. You clearly operate several in your attempts to maintain control over Jehovah's Witnessess related pages. Are you and your sock-puppets and meatpuppet-buddies still dictating all the content on Jehovah's Witnesses articles? Those truth-twisted articles still under your control? Editors like you are the reason Misplaced Pages content is considered unreliable by educators. Anyway logging out again, see you in three or four years...maybe.... ] (]) 19:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm nowhere near Sydney. So good you're back... Sigh. Your other trash isn't worth my time, but obviously if you become disruptive again, we'll be seeing you at the Admin Noticeboard.--] (]) 09:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Welcome back, an idea
Hello again Willietell. Since we have again recently discussed conflict of interest, I would like to explain a little more and show evidence of what constitutes conflict of interest (WP:COI). I would not start posting templates on talk pages of regulars except for edit warring or vandalism, but on Misplaced Pages we commonly use these related templates: Template:COI (useful for organization or company articles with mainly edits from involved editor(s)), Template:COI edit notice (for talk page headers), Template:autobiography (quite similar to an organization writing on itself, but this is for individuals writing about themselves); we also have Template:Uw-coi to warn users. The message is clear: involved editors are likely to not be able to objectively write about the companies or organizations they are very involved in, this is not an insult or attack but normal human behavior.
Although it is in no way forbidden, we commonly call single purpose accounts (WP:SPA) the accounts of editors which are only (or almost only) editing on a particular topic. The edit history of editors thus says a lot about the level of conflict of interest. SPA is not a baseless accusation of COI, it is evidence of COI.
I may be stating the obvious, but the goal of the Misplaced Pages project is to build an encyclopedia. It is a huge project covering a high number of topics. Other than editing articles, there also are many ways editors contribute, like improving citations, copy-editing articles to follow the manual of style (WP:MOS), participating to vandalism patrolling, working on images, participating by voting at articles for deletion (WP:AfD), helping other editors at articles for creation (WP:AfC), etc. There are many Wikiprojects (see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject) and many venues (please check Misplaced Pages:Backlog for an example of a number of possible tasks anyone with enough competence can help with, or even my user page for a collection of links).
The goal of this message is to encourage you to participate in other Misplaced Pages areas. It is an invitation, which you are by no means obligated to accept. However, this would show good will to participate building the encyclopedia. One of the worse outcomes on Misplaced Pages is to end up considered as not being here to build an encyclopedia (WP:NOTHERE). When not resulting in blocks, it is still not a constructive path towards collaboration and the assumption of good faith (WP:AGF) which are very important on Misplaced Pages.
What I am trying to say is that I am persuaded that your experience on Misplaced Pages could be more enjoyable and even gratifying; that in non-conflict subject areas you would be likely to positively collaborate with other editors to build something great. Please think about other areas of interest you may be interested in working on. But it's up to you, this is only advice.
Have a good day, — PaleoNeonate — 03:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Your own talk page clearly shows your own conflict of interest when it comes to pages related to Jehovah's Witnesses, maybe you should refrain from tossing stones near your glass house Willietell (talk) 18:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
False accusations
In your recent comments at Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses, you have made a number of accusations. You will be reported to admins if these matters are not dealt with in a timely fashion.
- Your claim that I run an "anti-Jehovah's Witness blog" is a misrepresentation, and your attempt to use an editor's off-Wiki opinions as a characterisation of Misplaced Pages edits is a breach of Misplaced Pages's harrassment policy: "Dredging up their off-site opinions to repeatedly challenge their edits can be a form of harassment". You are to retract the claim.
- Your use of 'scare quotes' in reference to '"another" editor' implies an accusation of sockpuppetry. You are to immeidately either retract the false claim or provide your alleged 'evidence' in support of your claim so it can be assessed by admins.
- Your claim about geolocation is obviously a lie, since you have no way of geolocating my Misplaced Pages account. I have no affiliation with any Misplaced Pages editor outside of Misplaced Pages. You are to immediately retract the false claim that you know anything at all about my 'geolocation'.
Additionally, your use of "as the editor plainly pointed out" is not a remotely reliable basis for your assertion that there is nothing wrong with your editing history, since the new editor's lengthy comments at the article's Talk page are obviously neither objective nor constructive.
I'll give you a few days to retract the false claims, after which your actions will be reported to admins if not properly handled. Thanks.--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
You should also be aware that even if you do not attempt to justify your recent insinuation of sockpuppetry, there is already evidence that you have been fully informed that your longstanding insinuations of such constitutes a personal attack, and that you are already explicitly aware that it is not appropriate to make such insinuations at article Talk pages.--Jeffro77 (talk) 12:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
As you seem to be inactive (which has happened in the past after inappropriate actions have been pointed out, though that may or may not be the case in this instance), I will leave this matter in abeyance until you resume editing.--Jeffro77 (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Reminder: this matter is still oustanding.--Jeffro77 (talk) 10:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- How are things in Sydney? How's that for geo-location? Or are you still accusing me of lying? I don't have the time for your stupidity. You at least did, (I don't know if your still presently still do) run an anti_Jehovah's Witness blog, so don't deny it. Therefore your Conflict of interest is not in question to anyone who knows the facts. Nothing I have said is untrue, little you ever say seems to be true. I haven't logged into this fictitious pretend quasi-encyclopedia for years. I have never "implied" about your sockpuppetry. You clearly operate several in your attempts to maintain control over Jehovah's Witnessess related pages. Are you and your sock-puppets and meatpuppet-buddies still dictating all the content on Jehovah's Witnesses articles? Those truth-twisted articles still under your control? Editors like you are the reason Misplaced Pages content is considered unreliable by educators. Anyway logging out again, see you in three or four years...maybe.... Willietell (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm nowhere near Sydney. So good you're back... Sigh. Your other trash isn't worth my time, but obviously if you become disruptive again, we'll be seeing you at the Admin Noticeboard.--Jeffro77 (talk) 09:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)