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The circumcision page on Misplaced Pages is grossly incorrect and biased. It states that there are basically no downsides, and no changes in pleasure. This is incorrect.

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https://www.cirp.org/news/1997/1997-12-01_Mothering.php 104.194.36.23 (talk) 11:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

This precise topic over whether circumcision decreased pleasure during sex was debated last year (see Talk:Circumcision/Archive 85#"Circumcision does not affect sexual function, sensation, desire, or pleasure."). After a prolonged and, at times, heated debate, it was decided to retain the statement involving pleasure.

To the topic of the specific reference you provided, the article was published in 1997 (so approaching 26 years old) and was authored by Paul M. Fleiss, an anti-circumcision activist and a person who is "known for his unconventional medical view(s)". Additionally, there has been a great deal of research on the topic of circumcision and pleasure since that article was published. Wikipedialuva (talk) 08:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is grossly misinformed and obviously written in support of the US medical industry who support circumcision strongly for financial reasons. They write as if for example HIV prevention is functioning at a relevant level, and then only have a small added sentence at the end which mentions that it is not agreed upon. Misplaced Pages has an article which includes HIV prevalence, and in many western European countries the HIV prevalence is far lower than in the US where people are circumcised. This is FACTUAL EVIDENCE against the effectiveness of circumcision in preventing HIV.

212.97.248.58 (talk) 11:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Discussions challenging the protective effects of male circumcision against HIV seem to come up every few months. The last one was in April to June of this year (see: Talk:Circumcision/Archive_85#Lack_of_Consensus_on_HIV_prevention).

Yes, it is grossly misinformed and obviously written in support of the US medical industry who support circumcision strongly for financial reasons.

Both US-based medical organizations (including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)), and international based medical organizations (including the World Health Organization (WHO), and UNAIDS) have all acknowledged that male circumcision offers a level of protection against acquiring HIV. The argument that circumcision is primarily supported by the U.S. medical industry for financial gain overlooks the substantial body of evidence that supports the claims of reducing the acquisition of HIV. The claims that "the US medical industry" strongly supports circumcision for financial reasons appear to be WP:FRINGE.

They write as if for example HIV prevention is functioning at a relevant level, and then only have a small added sentence at the end which mentions that it is not agreed upon.

As per policy. The Misplaced Pages policies WP:DUE and WP:BALANCE require that due weight and proper balance be considered when editing articles. Misplaced Pages does not give equal weight to all points of view; it gives weight "in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in those sources."

Misplaced Pages has an article which includes HIV prevalence, and in many western European countries the HIV prevalence is far lower than in the US where people are circumcised. This is FACTUAL EVIDENCE against the effectiveness of circumcision in preventing HIV.

The comparison of HIV prevalence rates between countries must consider a multitude of factors, including but not limited to sexual behavior, access to healthcare, education, and public health initiatives. The casual claim that Western European countries exhibit lower HIV prevalence than the U.S. does not account for these variables. For instance, South Korea presents a counterexample to these claims: it has an HIV prevalence rate that is significantly lower than that of many European countries, despite having a higher circumcision rate than the United States. Regardless, without WP:reliable sources, your claims appear to be original research and not eligible for inclusion under the policy of Misplaced Pages:No original research. Even assuming you are able to locate sources to support this view, they would still need to be evaluated in conjunction with WP:DUE and WP:BALANCE policies discussed above. Wikipedialuva (talk) 22:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Circumcision obviously increase frictions making sexual activity such as masturbation less easy due to the lack of skin, many circumcised man use lub to reduce that friction their lack of skin create, and

circumcision obviously make the glans keratinized discoloured and the mucous dry while all mucous are supposed to stay hydrated the glans is obviously made to stay hydrated and covered, not uncovered and dry,

those are obvious and observable facts we can all do by making comparisons to circumcised and not circumcised penises by thousands of pictures we can find online and experience. 104.163.174.55 (talk) 20:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

News studies show that circumcision does not reduce the hiv and even increase it due to the false feelings of protection. Can’t imagine all the other studies less vigorous than the hiv ones who’s now demonstrated wrong, more studies should be done and stop with the biased ones in favour of circumcision and be neutral instead.

https://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10654-021-00809-6 104.163.174.55 (talk) 20:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/Circoncision#cite_note-84

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/Circoncision#cite_note-85

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/Circoncision#cite_note-86 104.163.174.55 (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Some circumcised men, like some uncircumcised men, use lubricants during sexual activity, but many circumcised men do not experience any issues without them. This point seems irrelevant to the article. If you are suggesting that circumcised men experience less sexual pleasure or decreased sexual function compared to uncircumcised men, the majority of studies indicate that circumcision does not lead to any decrease in sexual pleasure or cause sexual dysfunction, as referenced in the article. There has been extensive debate on this topic on this talk page.

Regarding your claims about circumcised penises being "discolored" and the notion that they are "supposed" to have "mucous" (presumably referring to smegma), these views are not applicable to the article. Your personal opinion that penises "supposed" to be uncircumcised does not make it so and does not warrant inclusion in the article.

It is crucial to consider the quality and context of the research. The first study you mentioned is a retrospective cohort study, which is generally regarded as one of the lowest quality of studies available (especially compared to studies like randomized controlled trials). It's first author is the open anti-circumcision activist, Morten Frisch, and numerous researchers have voiced their concerns about a large number of methodological issues in that specific study (see: ).

Even if the study were conducted in a neutral and methodically sound manner, a handful of cherry-picked studies of questionable quality cannot substantiate biomedical claims in an article, as per WP:MEDRS. This is particularly true when there is a substantial body of evidence from high-quality randomized controlled trials that contradicts those findings. Again, Misplaced Pages articles give weight "in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in those sources". Wikipedialuva (talk) 08:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

No I’m not talking about smegma, and that’s not an opinion, circumcision obviously alters the penis appearance because just looking at thousands of different penises pictures the not circumcised ones are always averagely significantly more colorful appearance than circumcised on average 104.163.174.55 (talk) 01:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

The foreskin has a "mucous membrane", but a healthy foreskin does not produce significant amounts of true "mucus". If someone is noticing a visible amount of "mucus" under their foreskin, it is likely smegma.

You did not merely claim that those circumcised penises were differently coloured or appeared different; you claimed they were "discoloured" and were "supposed" to look a different way. The Cambridge English dictionary defines discoloured as "something that has become a less attractive colour than it was originally." The colour difference between circumcised and uncircumcised is due to the exposure of structures that are covered by the foreskin in an uncircumcised penis. The belief that a penis is "supposed" be uncircumcised or a circumcised penis is a "less attractive colour than it was originally" are subjective opinions. Misplaced Pages articles are not places to post "opinion pieces", and all content must conform to Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy. Wikipedialuva (talk) 11:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

So you are admitting that circumcision change the mucous color, to a paler color? And I meant mucous not mucus, and no a penis is supposed to have a foreskin this is part of the penis anatomy. 104.163.174.55 (talk) 05:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

This is literally discoloured since a penis is originally not circumcised and a circumcised penis is slightly of a paler color for the exact reason I thought, due to exposure like you said 104.163.174.55 (talk) 05:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok so you all misunderstood my says, I just said that anatomically speaking a mucous is a special skin whom is supposed to stay hydrated not dry, like lips vulva anus or any other place that are mucous and special skin made to being permanently exposed to humidity, the gland and half of the shaft are not skin but mucous and are made to stay hydrated, I never mentioned smegma, I said that circumcision is not natural for a penis since it’s a modification, that’s just anatomical facts not opinions, and you confirmed that circumcision do alter the mucous color of the penis due to permanent exposure, and I suppose I’m right about the keratinized thing since you said nothing about it. 104.163.174.55 (talk) 05:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

1. a. You keep appearing to be attempting to use "mucous" as a noun to mean "mucous membrane", but this is not a widely recognized use. The Cambridge Dictionary does not appear to recognize "mucous" as a noun (only as an adjective), and Merriam-Webster lists it as "nonstandard spelling of mucus". If you mean "mucous membrane", it would be helpful to write "mucous membrane" instead of "mucous".

b. You did not originally mention smegma, but you did discuss "mucous". To the extent it is used as a noun (as you did), Merriam-Webster states this means "mucus". As I originally stated, if one has a noticeable amount of mucus on their penis, this is abnormal, and frequently what people are referring to when discussing noticeable amounts of mucous is actually not noticeable amounts of mucus on their penis; they are referencing smegma. You are apparently attempting to reference the "mucous membrane".

2. A circumcision removes the foreskin and exposes the glans of the penis; the glans is usually a different color than the foreskin. Since the foreskin is removed and exposes that glans, a circumcised penis will appear differently colored in a flaccid state.

3. As noted above, "discoloured" is defined as "something that has become a less attractive colour than it was originally". The idea that the color of the glans being visible on a circumcised penis makes the penis any "less attractive" is your opinion. Misplaced Pages articles are not a place for publishing one's own personal opinions per WP:SOAPBOX (including WP:NOTOPINION) and WP:NPOV.

4. Once again, circumcision refers to the deliberate removal of the foreskin and is a widely performed procedure. A penis where the foreskin has been intentionally removed is certainly not "supposed" to have a foreskin. Your opinions on how a penis is "supposed" to be are, in fact, opinions, and for that reason it is not appropriate for inclusion in the article. Wikipedialuva (talk) 07:15, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I meant uncircumcised have more skin making the shaft more mobile making mouvements easier for masturbation as example, I never said uncircumcised men never use lubricant, but COULD be more frequent with circumcised men due to the fact they have less skin mobility increasing friction. 104.163.174.55 (talk) 06:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I never said circumcision decrease sexual pleasure. I know what we think about me, that I’m an idiot what rely on my personal opinions and trying to confirm my beliefs which is an idiot in my definition, that’s extremely delusional unrealistic and weak mentality strength 104.163.174.55 (talk) 06:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I meant uncircumcised have more skin making the shaft more mobile making mouvements easier for masturbation as example, I never said uncircumcised men never use lubricant, but COULD be more frequent with circumcised men due to the fact they have less skin mobility increasing friction.

Misplaced Pages articles are not a place for speculation about what the possible effects of a medical procedure "could" be. Per WP:FORUM, "Misplaced Pages is not a publisher of original thought", and it is also not a place for original research. All content needs to be able to be supported by reliable sources, or in some cases, WP:MEDRS sources. Unless you have a reliable source, and with consideration of WP:DUE guidelines, then speculative possibilities should not be included in the article.

I never said circumcision decrease sexual pleasure.

I never said you explicitly stated it decreased sexual function or pleasure. You did go into discussion about circumcision results in "increase frictions making sexual activity such as masturbation less easy due to the lack of skin" and it also made "the glans keratinized discoloured and the mucous dry while all mucous are supposed to stay hydrated the glans is obviously made to stay hydrated and covered, not uncovered and dry." I originally stated I did not see what this discussion had to do with the article ("This point seems irrelevant to the article") unless "you (were) suggesting that circumcised men experience less sexual pleasure or decreased sexual function compared to uncircumcised men." It was not clear why you mentioned it, and I believe that mentioning changes in pleasure or function as a possibility of why you mentioned what you did and addressing it was a reasonable thing to do considering the context.

I know what we think about me, that I’m an idiot what rely on my personal opinions and trying to confirm my beliefs which is an idiot in my definition, that’s extremely delusional unrealistic and weak mentality strength.

I never said any of those things about you. I do not know you personally and am not on Misplaced Pages to try to personally judge other editors. I am here to try to build an encyclopedia, and part of that includes ensuring policies and guidelines (which I understand new editors are often unfamiliar with) are followed when articles are edited. This sometimes includes engaging in discussions about changes to articles that contain biomedical information and/or are about contentious topics. I disagree with you about what content likely qualifies for inclusion into this article, but that does not mean that I think you are an "idiot," nor does it mean that I believe you are "extremely delusional unrealistic" or have "weak mentality strength." Wikipedialuva (talk) 09:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Does not affect functions at all? Foreskin provide more skin which make the shaft mobile and make back and forth movement easier like masturbation. 104.163.174.55 (talk) 06:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Of course it is not updated, anything not in favour of circumcision you will try to ignore it at best, News studies show that circumcision does not reduce the hiv and even increase it due to the false feelings of protection. Can’t imagine all the other studies less vigorous than the hiv ones who’s now demonstrated wrong, more studies should be done and stop with the biased ones in favour of circumcision and be neutral instead.

https://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10654-021-00809-6 https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/Circoncision#cite_note-84 https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/Circoncision#cite_note-85 https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/Circoncision#cite_note-85 https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/Circoncision#cite_note-86

Question because this place seems to be the most objective and scientific place for deep answers I will never have anywhere as I got one before and it was interesting and very informative.

Is it true that circumcision lightly alter the penis appearance? Because if we look at thousands of different penis picture we can see a tendency for uncircumcised penis to be on average slightly more pink in the thousands of penis pictures, I never seen a single circumcised penis being vivid pink or “purple” every individual are différents so it depends on the individual and it’s all relative but I’d say as example a circumcised men whom was supposed to have a “purple” glans will have it pink instead because circumcision seems to change the coloration a little bit. 104.163.174.55 (talk) 05:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Bias

Problems with the article:

https://en.intactiwiki.org/Wikipedia_bias_on_circumcision

Thanks. RosaSubmarine (talk) 17:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you have an RS? Slatersteven (talk) 18:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

They do not. Automation for humans is coming anyway, we won't allow these anomalous tips to exist. We have the technology. Automatic Unit Slicer (talk) 22:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

What? Slatersteven (talk) 11:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

AUS posted as retired after posting here. See RosaSubmarine's talk page, looks like a meatpuppet. Doug Weller talk 11:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Offwiki lobbying

See Misplaced Pages:Fringe theories/Noticeboard#Off-wiki coordination on Circumcision related articles which explains the recent talk page posts here. Doug Weller talk 11:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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