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== The Publication of Hassan's book == |
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== Interesting interview == |
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There was a statement in the article about "the last publication" of Hassan's Combatting Cult Mind Control. The book is till being published. Check Amazon. I think a more accurate rendering would be edition rather than publication |
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. From 2003. Interviews are primary and thus have due weight concerns, but maybe it could be useful. It's from ''Religioscope'' (and the interviewer is ], who is more on the anti-brainwashing side of things funnily enough, though in my experience with his works I find them to be quite good and fair to all perspectives involved), but I find it gives a good look into Hassan's thoughts on things. ] (]) 01:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Criticism == |
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== Pronunciation of Hassan == |
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I added some properly referenced criticism from known cult experts of Hassan's work and this was deleted, due to "weight". This is not a weight issue because 1) the bulk of this article is positive and 2) the cult experts are significant ones and were properly referenced. There is no good evidence that their view of Hassan's work is a small minority as Hassan's work is quite controversial, as the referenced work indicates. Critical points of view, for balance, do need to be included. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Steven Hassan pronounces his surname '''/hæsɪn/''', not '''/hɑːsɪn/'''. You can hear him introduce himself in a Vice documentary titled "Ex-Cult Member Explains How He Escaped the Moonies". ] (]) 20:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)corpho |
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:the criticism is that his approach is "standard fare" and could, if used improperly, be used to manipulate people. This is not done as an empirical analysis but rather a comparison of their own method. this is not a criticism but rather Clark et al. use Hassan's method as a foil sell their own method of cult deprogramming. hence a weight issue in that it is a criticism unique to one published piece and not widely held, in fact only held by those who are trying to elevate their own counselling methods.] (]) 22:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:Done. The second vowel may be closer to an unstressed sound like /ɘ/ though. ] (]) 01:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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There is no requirement that references in Misplaced Pages be empirical investigations. If that were the case, nothing of Steve Hassan's work could be included since he has never conducted a single empirical study in his life and yet he makes claims that his methods are superior to others. You are free to disagree with the critics and are entitled to your unsubstantiated opinions of their motives, but for you to delete valid references to published criticism is at odds with Misplaced Pages's policies. If you persist in attempting to suppress this criticism, I will request a mediation from Misplaced Pages. There is no valid reason not to include this properly referenced criticism. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:11, 10 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Profit corporation? == |
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*When I google I get a large number of hits. It appears that Pignotti is in a real life dispute with the subject. If so, it would be better if that person were not involved in editing the biography. <b>] [[User talk:Will Beback|<font |
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"The center is registered as a domestic profit corporation". Should it not be "non-profit"? |
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:No, it is a domestic profit corporation. ] (]) 04:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== BITE model == |
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I referenced and cited valid material and left my own opinions on Hassan completely out of what I added. Hence, I am not in violation of any of Misplaced Pages's policies. There is no rule against who can post, as long as the postings are properly done. It appears that the biased person is the one who is so bent on having this valid, cited material deleted. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:Is it incorrect that Monica Pignotti has been critical of the subject? <b>] ] </b> 01:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC) |
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@] Me and @] have both reverted you, but you have repeatedly added this without discussion. There is no question that the BITE model is a well known creation of Hassan's, but the way to do it is not to add a largely unsourced and undue weight section with references that do not support the content to this BLP article! ] (]) 15:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC) |
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While I have criticized Hassan, I have not inserted any original research into this article, only validly referenced sources. Is there any policy against Misplaced Pages authors not being critics? Are there policies against people who are clearly supporters and biased in that direction being authors? The statements by "coffeepusher" such as his unsubstantiated assertions regarding the author of this critique are hardly unbiased. If his supporters biased in favor of him are allowed to post, why shouldn't a critic, as long as I abide by Misplaced Pages's rules, which I have? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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"The center is registered as a domestic profit corporation". Should it not be "non-profit"?
