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| ] After looking at your edits. I'm seriously worried that you're trying to cover up the existence and the genocide of the ]. So I must ask; are you denying that there was an indigenous Jewish population in the Israel/Palestine prior to Zionism that suffered massacres throughout the 1,400 Muslim rule of the area? ] (]) 19:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)] | ] After looking at your edits. I'm seriously worried that you're trying to cover up the existence and the genocide of the ]. So I must ask; are you denying that there was an indigenous Jewish population in the Israel/Palestine prior to Zionism that suffered massacres throughout the 1,400 Muslim rule of the area? ] (]) 19:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)] | ||
| There was no "genocide" of the "old Yishuv" the very few isolated cases you brought up were in reference to only two cities in Palestine; Safed and Tiberias and in every case only a small amount of people were ever killed and in many cases the articles on these detailed how either the events had been greatly exaggerated by later Zionist hasbara propaganda or how many of the people (immigrant Jews from Europe so not supposed "indigenous people" but rather later medieval immigrants from Europe that either the Mamluk or Ottoman rulers of Palestine allowed to settle in Palestine, again in only really the two Palestinian cities of Safed and Tiberias, after again coming from Europe) who had left soon returned to communities in Safed and Tiberias (such as when ] rebuilt different damages in a few specific cities of Palestine after periods of fighting. But again what you would bring up were a few very isolated incidents in two specific Palestinian cities Safed and Tiberias, and the Jewish communities there were immigrant communities from Europe that had been allowed to move to (from medieval Europe) and live in Safed and Tiberias by either the Mamlukes or the Ottomans (when these two different empires controlled Palestine).] (]) 09:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
| Salam, Shalom, Bonsoir , Good Evening, Et si la véritable question entre humains (juifs et palestiniens) était de pardonner et de tenter de construire une paix ? And if the real question between human beings (Jews and Palestinians together) was to forgive and to try Je crois en la paix surtout entre et | Salam, Shalom, Bonsoir , Good Evening, Et si la véritable question entre humains (juifs et palestiniens) était de pardonner et de tenter de construire une paix ? And if the real question between human beings (Jews and Palestinians together) was to forgive and to try Je crois en la paix surtout entre et | ||
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| I think these reverts, comments, and zeal would be a good case to look into for the Anti-Defamation League and the Jerusalem Post. Clearly Malik Shabazz, Zero something, and Tiamut have a clear agenda in keeping the genocides carried out by Muslim Arabs who settled the Southern Levant upon the indigenous pre-Zionist Jewish population covered up. Perhaps the fact that there was an indigenous pre-Zionist Jewish population ruins there view of a modern political situation. | |||
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| :I think the ADL and JP have more important things to do than to listen to conspiracy theories being spouted by someone one wikipedia with a clearly biased agenda and hint of bigotry. The bottom line is that you can't continuously revert an edit that goes against the historical consensus.] (]) 14:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| Being that my accusation of the bias you and your co-editors have for the fictitious "Palestinian" narrative claiming "Jews and Muslims lived peacefully together before Zionism" is baseless. I asked other editors to look at the dispute. Maybe they'll find that I'm wrong which is okay. | |||
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| Dionysos, I suggest you consider the ]. Your edits are in ], but they are not being reverted because of any conspiracy but because they have been written in a fashion that is totally out of context. If you want to add them into a given article on wikipedia, you should find a reputable source which covers the topic of the article itself, and have a look how that source refers to the incidents (if at all). For example, find a book about the history of palestine, and look at how it discussed the incidents in 1517, 1660 and 1834. Once your context matches those, you likely won't be reverted. ] (]) 22:33, 14 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| I have viewed your recent edits and I have some advice. There are pro-Palestinian editors on Misplaced Pages just like there are pro-Israeli ones and decrying this and editing in a ] bulldozing manner will accomplish very little. I was originally an uncompromising editor and I can assure you that you achieve much more if you work in a collaborative amiable manner. | |||
| I suggest you consider the responses received to your edits, discuss them on the article Talk page, and adjust your edits accordingly. It is important that your edits are ] (which they are), state the information in a ] (which they do not not e.g. "extermination", "massacre"), and finally in a ]. The material you wished to insert was not directly relevant to the Palestinian people article, although it warrants a mention in some of the other articles. <br />Best Wishes <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']'''.''']'''</small> 16:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Your personal views as do the views of other editors matter little to the editing of an article. It is Wiki policy that will dictate how an article is edited, and whether there is a pro-Palestinian posse, or Zionist zealots that contribute to Wiki does not affect this. I am simply stating the facts; if you wish to successfully contribute to Misplaced Pages, there is a code of conduct that you are expected to abide by.<br />Best Wishes <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']'''.''']'''</small> 17:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
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talk After looking at your edits. I'm seriously worried that you're trying to cover up the existence and the genocide of the Old Yishuv. So I must ask; are you denying that there was an indigenous Jewish population in the Israel/Palestine prior to Zionism that suffered massacres throughout the 1,400 Muslim rule of the area? DionysosElysees (talk) 19:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)talk
There was no "genocide" of the "old Yishuv" the very few isolated cases you brought up were in reference to only two cities in Palestine; Safed and Tiberias and in every case only a small amount of people were ever killed and in many cases the articles on these detailed how either the events had been greatly exaggerated by later Zionist hasbara propaganda or how many of the people (immigrant Jews from Europe so not supposed "indigenous people" but rather later medieval immigrants from Europe that either the Mamluk or Ottoman rulers of Palestine allowed to settle in Palestine, again in only really the two Palestinian cities of Safed and Tiberias, after again coming from Europe) who had left soon returned to communities in Safed and Tiberias (such as when Daher el-Omar rebuilt different damages in a few specific cities of Palestine after periods of fighting. But again what you would bring up were a few very isolated incidents in two specific Palestinian cities Safed and Tiberias, and the Jewish communities there were immigrant communities from Europe that had been allowed to move to (from medieval Europe) and live in Safed and Tiberias by either the Mamlukes or the Ottomans (when these two different empires controlled Palestine).Historylover4 (talk) 09:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Salam, Shalom, Bonsoir , Good Evening, Et si la véritable question entre humains (juifs et palestiniens) était de pardonner et de tenter de construire une paix ? And if the real question between human beings (Jews and Palestinians together) was to forgive and to try build a peace? Je crois en la paix surtout entre femmes israéliennes et femmes palestiniennes.
- ואם השאלה האמיתית בין בני אנוש יסלחו ולנסות לבנות שלום. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 00:44, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
One-revert restriction
Please be aware that contributors who edit articles related to the Arab–Israeli conflict broadly construed, are limited to one reversion in any 24-hour period. (This is sometimes referred to as the "one-revert rule" or 1RR.) For more information about this restriction, see WP:ARBPIA#Further remedies. For more information about revert restrictions in general please see WP:Edit warring.
The purpose of this message is solely to inform you of this restriction, not to say you have violated it. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 19:11, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I think these reverts, comments, and zeal would be a good case to look into for the Anti-Defamation League and the Jerusalem Post. Clearly Malik Shabazz, Zero something, and Tiamut have a clear agenda in keeping the genocides carried out by Muslim Arabs who settled the Southern Levant upon the indigenous pre-Zionist Jewish population covered up. Perhaps the fact that there was an indigenous pre-Zionist Jewish population ruins there view of a modern political situation.
- I think the ADL and JP have more important things to do than to listen to conspiracy theories being spouted by someone one wikipedia with a clearly biased agenda and hint of bigotry. The bottom line is that you can't continuously revert an edit that goes against the historical consensus.Shabeki (talk) 14:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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You made two reverts to the article today. Consider this your final warning concerning the WP:ARBPIA 1RR rule.
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This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, as you did at Talk:Palestinian people, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 01:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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I've warned you about describing Misplaced Pages editors as partisans. Please read WP:BATTLEGROUND and take it to heart. Keep it up and I will ask that you be sanctioned under WP:ARBPIA. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 19:50, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Being that my accusation of the bias you and your co-editors have for the fictitious "Palestinian" narrative claiming "Jews and Muslims lived peacefully together before Zionism" is baseless. I asked other editors to look at the dispute. Maybe they'll find that I'm wrong which is okay.
DionysosElysees /Stalk 21:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Please read Strawman fallacy and WP:CANVASS. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 21:51, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Dionysos, I suggest you consider the context (language use). Your edits are in good faith, but they are not being reverted because of any conspiracy but because they have been written in a fashion that is totally out of context. If you want to add them into a given article on wikipedia, you should find a reputable source which covers the topic of the article itself, and have a look how that source refers to the incidents (if at all). For example, find a book about the history of palestine, and look at how it discussed the incidents in 1517, 1660 and 1834. Once your context matches those, you likely won't be reverted. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:33, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Talkback
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Shrike (talk) 15:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Your edits
I have viewed your recent edits and I have some advice. There are pro-Palestinian editors on Misplaced Pages just like there are pro-Israeli ones and decrying this and editing in a disruptive bulldozing manner will accomplish very little. I was originally an uncompromising editor and I can assure you that you achieve much more if you work in a collaborative amiable manner.
I suggest you consider the responses received to your edits, discuss them on the article Talk page, and adjust your edits accordingly. It is important that your edits are reliably sourced (which they are), state the information in a neutral manner (which they do not not e.g. "extermination", "massacre"), and finally in a due manner. The material you wished to insert was not directly relevant to the Palestinian people article, although it warrants a mention in some of the other articles.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 16:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
- Your personal views as do the views of other editors matter little to the editing of an article. It is Wiki policy that will dictate how an article is edited, and whether there is a pro-Palestinian posse, or Zionist zealots that contribute to Wiki does not affect this. I am simply stating the facts; if you wish to successfully contribute to Misplaced Pages, there is a code of conduct that you are expected to abide by.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 17:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)- Working on these articles can be very frustrating. It's best to take a deep breath, study policy on sources and neutrality, study WP:Dispute resolution, look at articles on your topic of interest that seem to reflect reality accurately and look at how they are edited. Also for advice you can check out Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Palestine and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration. CarolMooreDC 20:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
On this note, this edit on Talk: Palestinian people indicates a strong battleground mentality and is borderline offensive. You simply can't talk that way on Misplaced Pages. Talk pages are for proposing specific changes to articles based upon reliable sources, not just for you to give your strong, personal opinion. Note that the sanctions described above allow any uninvolved editor to block users for such behavior. Since your last warning on this matter was for edit warring, I'll give you one more chance. But you have to understand that Misplaced Pages is not a place for the general discussion of subjects; if this issue is simply too sensitive for you, and causes you to be too worked up, you'll need to edit on other topics or not at all. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#DionysosElysees. Sean.hoyland - talk 21:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Indefinitely blocked
CheckUser evidence confirms that you are both this account and ChasteRoue (talk · contribs) to edit pages (such as Old Yishuv) which are subject to an Arbitration decision. I have therefore blocked both your accounts indefinitely. AGK 23:42, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
1847 Jerusalem Pogrom
Please don't create articles on the basis of a single sentence. Can you provide any more information at all about this "pogrom"? See the talk page. What month was it? If you can't provide anything more, I'm proposing it for deletion. Zero 00:32, 8 May 2012 (UTC)