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The page I am attempting to create keeps getting a redirect. I am referencing from a written book, it was published in 1985 and it is about the history of Amity Group which later went on to become a member of Goodwill International, it is an independent member of the international social enterprise known as Goodwill. Does this help. There is great history and a good story to be told. The author is Guy Jones from Victoria BC.
* You need to start it in a sandbox. Look up in the right side of the window, you will see "sandbox". This is a space that no one will mess with. Create it there, add sources, get input from others if you need, and when you think it is ready to be a part of the regular Misplaced Pages, have someone review it and move it into mainspace for you. This is how most editors create articles here. This way no one bothers you while it is being built, and you can get the input of others. Otherwise, if you just release a few sentences into the wild, it will likely be deleted or redirected. ] (]) 20:32, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


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== It Must be Nice ==


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I have finally posted a comment in ] on my talk page, and I have also commented at ]. You mention "communication problems": yes, indeed. ] (]) 11:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
* The talk page on the article is even worse. I'm hoping he will just report me to ANI for my 'transgressions', and I have encouraged him to do so. Sometimes it takes a good old fashioned boomerang to get someone's attention. Sadly, I don't think that will still be enough. Again, I think his faith is ok, but I sincerely doubt he has the capability to work and contribute here in a way the community expects. Even if he doesn't mean to, his actions are very disruptive. ] (]) 13:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
::I couldn't agree more. And yes, I did look at the talk page of the article before commenting, so I do know what you mean. It's a great pity, because this is clearly someone who is willing to put a significant amount of effort into working on Misplaced Pages, and who could perhaps be a useful contributor, if only they could overcome various problems. ] (]) 13:54, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Apologies on the msg I left on your talk page. Sometimes I just can't help myself, and I'm forced to try to find a little humor in what is otherwise a frustrating situation. And I agree, the majority of his contribs are good, he just has trouble playing nice with others. ] (]) 14:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
*Hi. I've reverted your removal of the new links added to ], as your reason was not valid. There is no prohibition against adding new references while an AfD is in progress - in fact it is encouraged - and it's certainly not the case that an article must be frozen at the start-of-AfD state. If anyone adds new references, they should be assessed during AfD. -- ] (]) 21:20, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
:*You might want to check the histories, it goes back a while. References were removed several times previously, by two different editors (including one admin, and actually, two admins have been looking it as well as you), because they failed ], not because the AFD was going on. Every deletion had a rationale given, and on the talk page I said that being in AFD didn't excuse the article's sources from passing ]. I did not say that you can't add new references. His rationale was "those references already existed when you started the AFD", which was incorrect. I have reverted back, offering the previous rationale, that they are not reliable sources. ] (]) 22:18, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
::*OK, apologies if I misunderstood your "Those links were not there when the AFD was started" comment. But I do think that it's completely harmless leaving them in for the duration of the AfD - it's sure to be deleted anyway, and leaving them there would take away one of the battlefield aspects. Had they been left for people to actually review (as I did), I think we would have a better AfD with less room for people to mistakenly cry "cheat" -- ] (]) 00:32, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:::*It happens, it isn't easy to tell what is going on without looking at a lot of history. No harm, no foul. If you check the totality of the histories, and accusations and bad faith, you will see why I'm bordering on ANI with the editor, something I've only done a couple times in 16k edits. I've asked two admins for their opinions in the matter (they are involved, so can't take action, but know the situation) If you feel like reading a load of history, your opinion would be welcome as well. I don't doubt the editor in question has made many good contributions over time and his intentions for Misplaced Pages are good, but he has some serious issues with working within a community, even before the AFD. Even good faith can't overcome consistent disruptive behavior. ] (]) 00:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
::::The editor in question has a history of this sort of behaviour, and also (IMHO) a highly probable COI with respect to Chris Innis and Bob Murawski. Unfortunately, the tendency to personalize disagreements (and attack other editors) makes it difficult to reason with them. --''']'''''<small><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></small>'' 00:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Dennis, I have responded to your latest post on my talk page, but I may as well duplicate the substance of what I said here, as it is relevant to the discussion here. The editor's actions in the present case have been disruptive and vexatious, but not in themselves enough for any action to be taken, in my opinion. However, if, as is suggested above, the editor has a past history of similar problems, then the situation may be different. I would be grateful if anyone with more knowledge of the history of the case than me could give a few links to previous problems. If so, I will look at them and see what I think. As for ANI, I would not go there in the first instance. If there does seem to be a case for action then we can consider what to do, including possibly asking another admin to give an independent assessment. I would keep ANI in reserve, as a last resort. ] (]) 10:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
::::*I also don't see enough in the one AfD for any action, but if it is part of a longer-term behavioural problem, then there might be a case for something to be done - I'd recommend following JamesBWatson's suggestion. As for the AfD, I'd just ignore any further ranting - it's not going to save the article from deletion -- ] (]) 10:07, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::* Being human, when you see someone that disruptive standing so close to the edge, you can't help but to hope for a strong wind, or a gentle push...but I get your points that it is just short of action. This is why I asked for a few opinions, as I haven't gone to ANI very often. The big concern is ] of working within a cooperative environment. If there are strong COI issues, which has been discussed elsewhere, that might explain a lot. What is so bothersome is that all that time wasted could have been spent working on articles that are notable and just need work. Thanks for the opinions, all of you. ] (]) 12:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::*"''Being human, when you see someone that disruptive standing so close to the edge, you can't help but to hope for a strong wind, or a gentle push''" - Hehe, yes, I understand exactly how you feel. -- ] (]) 13:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::*Just a note to say that, not having read this thread before with the suggestion to go to ANI as a last resort, I have opened discussion there . I don't think there's a need to let this play out interminably, especially when an editor with ownership issues continues to traffic in rhetoric that isn't constructive. Cheers, ] (]) 17:26, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::::*Noted, thank you. ] (]) 17:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


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If it returns again, I'll AfD it (if you don't get there first...). Actually, I've been told off before now for AfDing things that looked obvious CSD. You never know what people are going to say or do... ] (]) 19:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
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*Anyone who complains about going to AFD (many eyes) instead of CSD (two sets of eyes) is simply wrong. It is the "safer" way to delete an article and give the opportunity to fix the problems. If there is a lot of detail and many references that exist (unreliable but not facebook/twitter), then AFD is really the better way to go. It isn't like we have to delete it today or Misplaced Pages breaks. I'm fine either way, but I will always AFD when there is that much info, giving a little benefit of the doubt. If it was two paragraphs and no sourcing, then yes, obviously CSD. This wasn't the case here. ] (]) 19:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
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::::I noticed that the first time the article was created , he was in high school. Maybe just trying to overcompensate now. ] (]) 19:30, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
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:::::I think they changed the rules somewhere around then, 'cos we're advised '''NOT''' to quote in the summary. Could be someone different. ] (]) 19:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
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