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== Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder! ==
== Theroadislong ==

Thank you VERY much for the barnstar, ] has managed to attach my user name to someone else on his off Wiki attack page, the photographs there relate to ] both of us have tried to explain the situation to him but without success, sorry!] (]) 17:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:The threats from ] are now so frightening, I no longer feel able to edit. He seems to think I am someone else which is doubly scary. Support has been sadly lacking.] (]) 21:24, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:: ] completely lacks civility. Try reporting to ]. --] (]) 21:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:::I have retired after further threats off Wiki and on.] (]) 08:36, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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== New WikiProject Wikiputians ==
Effective today, there is a new ] titled "]" which addresses concerns about height-challenged users, as an issue of ]. The membership is growing quickly because statistical studies of editors have indicated that probably half of all Wikipedians are now shorter than {{convert|3|ft|m|adj=mid|]|abbr=on|2}}. The scientific analysis, which confirmed the reduced height of so many users, was based on counting the reduced frequency in text of the letters "w", "e", "o", "p" which are on the top row of the keyboard. It seems those users cannot easily reach those letters with their tiny hands. However, the height analysis has confirmed the fears of "declining editorship" because the average height of editors does, indeed, show a definite decline, year after year. It is uncertain if the taller editors are leaving, or if the height-challenged users are merely editing more, as mobile phones become smaller to fit their hands.<br>Anyway, among the major goals of WikiProject Wikiputians, there will be monthly edit-drives to remove the word "short" from Misplaced Pages articles, as being an NPOV slant in terminology, to be replaced with "less tall". Already, those editors are compiling a backlog-list of the 1,200,051 articles which will need to be edited to remove the word "short". Many of those million articles will be debated for deletion. For example, "]" is an obvious ] of "]" and "]" is to be deleted as an ] page against people who handle sales transactions. Wait, what day is it? Oh, I think all this information is ]. Never mind. -] (]) 04:01, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:Don't want no ] round here ;-) ] (]) 04:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::What about short tempers? <g> ] (]) 18:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::There's no shortage of short tempers round here. ;-) ] (]) 18:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::::Does Jimbo use a short tamper for his pipe? ] (]) 18:53, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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==Shame==
Jimbo, you take credit in the media for starting this project, so you should take responsibility for allowing it to be misused as it is to give living people a hard time. Take some responsiblity. Ayn Rand's philosophy didn't absolve you of taking responsibility, did it? Come on...do the right thing. ] (]) 08:03, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:Can you point to any problems in the current article? I have engaged directly with Mr. Hawkins about the article, and personally went through it line-by-line looking for any inaccuracies or errors. I additionally courtesy-blanked the deletion discussions, reprimanded an editor who was rude, and asked another editor who the subject finds annoying to steer clear of the article. So, what is the 'right thing' that you think I've failed to do?--] (]) 08:29, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::Delete it. That's the decent thing to do, given the history. ] (]) 11:36, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Given what history, exactly? I've looked into this case in pretty close detail, and I see nothing from the history of the situation that would warrant deletion of the article today. Can you be more precise about why you think that's the right thing to do here? Also, to be clear, I think Cla68 is asking me to overrule community consensus, which would be extremely controversial to say the least. So, obviously, I'd need to have a really really good reason. Even if I agreed that the article should be deleted, that's no different from many hundreds or thousands of votes every year on the site where I might find myself voting in the minority of some issue. If I acted with special powers every little time I disagreed with something, we'd have a huge mess on our hands.
:::So why is this case not just one in which you (or Cla68, at least) thinks that the community has come to the wrong decision, but that the decision is sufficiently and importantly wrong to such a degree that I ought to do something dramatic about it? I just don't see how that makes sense.--] (]) 11:43, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::::It's in part a question of precedent. This is not a household name. Practically all the sources are primary, and regional, sources. There is no national coverage of him. Someone with that level of notability should have an opt-out from Misplaced Pages, especially if they feel distressed by the way their biography and its associated talk page have been handled by Misplaced Pages's anonymous editors.
::::The number of biographies rises daily. The number of editors looking after them does not. If we allow that trend to continue, the problems caused by BLP violations will increase. --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 13:03, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::::Judging by comments on Wifione's talk page, I believe the Hawkins AfD is headed for deletion review. '''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 13:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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:That milestone was reached ]; see archives A–G that I retrospectively created to hold the earlier discussions. ''']'''<font color="green">]</font> 15:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

==UK law enforcement requests article removal==
Apparently, UK law enforcement has recently requested (not ordered) removal of a crime article, or part of the article, so as to mitigate pre-trial publicity and ensure a fair trial for the defendant.

In the ], so far the majority of commentators are saying "Tough if someone outside WP wants it removing", even though ] recommends giving serious thought to excluding such content.

Thoughts? --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 14:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:You are conflating two distinct issues. ] advises omitting material on the suspect. That can be accomplished without deleting the entire article; it can also be accomplished without deleting most of the content of the article (and then fully protecting it, as an admin has now done). We can adhere to Misplaced Pages policies without deferring to a single country's law enforcement officials. ] (]) 15:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

:Two thoughts come to mind. First, whatever they want removed is obviously covered elsewhere on the net, so removing it from our article won't help much. Second, ]. If this case is big enough that UK police are asking for a change or removal, then it is big enough that the media could well turn the ''removal'' into a story, thus ensuring greater coverage. ]] 15:36, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

::This looks like a rerun of the ]. The '']'' rules in English law can prevent the media from reporting certain information while an investigation or trial is in progress. Provided that material has appeared in reliable sources, such as the BBC, there should be no problems.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 15:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::To Resolute, given that it is all collected in one place here, rather than spread out across a hundred sites, it clearly does make a difference. Secondly, if we simply comply, in the interest of doing our bit as socially-minded citizens to help ensure a fair trial, there need be no Streisand effect at all. Thirdly, to Nomo, it's a UK case, and as such hardly of any vital interest to readers in the US or New Zealand. Fourthly, to Ianmacm, I do recall that in the wake of the Yeates murder, we, along with the UK tabloid press, for several weeks defamed a wholly innocent man. It was not one of our finest hours. We proved that we are no encyclopedia, but just a tabloid aggregator. --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 16:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::::I fully agree that the conduct of the UK tabloid press following the murder of Joanna Yeates was disgraceful, this is why it led to successful libel action and contempt of court proceedings by the Attorney General. However, it would be worrying to prevent the mention of material that is already available in reliable sources. The same man (CH) has been charged with two murders, this cannot be easily hidden.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 16:18, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::There was a courteous request to OTRS to remove detailed reports of the investigation of the case in order that the defendant could have a fair trial. I was not sure what could be done although obviously the information may be not only inadmissible and prejudicial but wrong. I initiated a request for deletion, which is what the matter amounts to if all or nearly all references are removed, but realized ] applied. In fact, I can think of nothing that applies more than publication of a criminal investigation prior to trial. There are no court orders regarding this matter that I am aware of. ] ] 16:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:Agree with Fred and Jayen on this. The reason I wrote ] and included it in our BLP policy was exactly for these reasons, so we could strongly come out against including material that - even though adhering to NOR or V - could purport a living person to be guilty of a crime before an actual conviction is secured. My suggestion would be to strongly ensure the non-inclusion of any such material within the article, irrespective of the course the AfD takes.] ] 17:09, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::It is arguably reasonable to omit information about the suspect. But in fact the article has been stubbed by removing significant amounts of information that had nothing to do with the suspect. It would be possible to have an article here that does not refer to the suspect, and in my view it's improper to accede to the request of a law enforcement official that there be no article at all. ] (]) 17:11, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Without a court order, this request has no legal validity. The suppression of material freely available in reliable sources is not what Misplaced Pages is about. The man CH has not only been arrested, he is facing two murder charges, and this has been reported by the BBC and other mainstream media outlets. The UK police have exceeded their powers with this request. There are no problems with linking to news coverage.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:18, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::::So yet again it comes down to 'WP:NOTCENCORED' blah, blah, blah, 'free speech' blah, blah, blah - and no consideration whatsoever to the fact that we shouldn't have had the article in the first place, per multiple policies... ] (]) 17:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::Although I am not convinced about the ] angle at the moment, the UK police should have read ] before making such a poorly thought out request. It would be a sad day if ongoing court proceedings could not be mentioned at all.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:27, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::Any Streisand effect is due to my efforts to initiate a policy discussion, and our anarchic response as a community. It is our encyclopedic content which is not censored, we do not, as a matter of policy, include news reports of criminal investigations, see ]. We are a reference work not a news outlet. ] ] 17:29, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::It would be a sadder day if the only reason that Misplaced Pages chose to include anything and everything was just because it would be 'censorship' to omit it. If people wan't to read about 'ongoing court proceedings', there are plenty of other sources to assist. ] (]) 17:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::If we can make progress on this matter at the cost of only one serial killer going free it is worth it. Not going to England anyway... ] ] 17:32, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Ahem... 'alleged'? ] (]) 17:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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:What you see on this front page of the '']'' is not censorship. It is overt ''opposition'' to censorship. Real and effective ] always works in secrecy. -- ] (])
None of you seem to understand how censorship in Britain works and I cannot blame you, as none of this is explained in any of the articles on ]. There is no lack sources for this case, it has been extensively covered in all of British media, with the name of the suspect splashed all over the news. British censorship law prevents not only publishing new stories on the subject, but existing on-line sources are being taken off-line and disappearing from Internet as we speak. This should not be a problem for Misplaced Pages, as there is no need for sources to be on-line. Even ] are known to have been used in some articles. Removing the on-line articles does not remove the information from the internet, much of the material is available through Google cache. Of the 20 references in the original article the five that first went off-line seen to be the ones suggesting a link between the murder and another body found.

I have voiced a strong objection to the way this has now been handled. This was a British "request". Will we abide by similar requests from Russia or China? Most likely not. If the article stays censored, it should be made clear this was NOT a community decision. The hat-note should explicitly state that the article has been deleted / censored as a result of a ] from British authorities.

As for ], I believe the necessary action would at most be removing the suspects name from the article. We are not making accusations, we are not even sticking to "facts", we are only reporting what reliable sources have already stated. -- ] (]) 17:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::The links to news reports introduce details of the investigation which may be both inadmissible and prejudicial, to say nothing of possibly being wrong. News reports are notorious for getting things wrong and placing inappropriate emphasis on details. We are better than that. ] ] 18:01, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:There is no court order, just a courteous request. We are just following policy by not publishing defamatory information about a living person. ] ] 17:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

::It is not defamatory to report court proceedings in reliable media sources.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Why would they bother with a trial when it is obvious from the Misplaced Pages article that they are guilty? ] ] 17:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

::::This type of "]" does not require a dedicated court order. British authorities can censor the media without going to court. Only if this was a civil case would a ] be needed. (And if that was the case, we would never hear about it either.) -- ] (]) 18:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

:::::Having read through the version of ] that was suppressed, it did not have any major BLP issues. It pointed out that CH has been charged with two murders (Sian O'Callaghan and BGE), but did not imply guilt. The link of CH to the death of another woman, MH, is more speculative, and CH has not been charged with her murder. Since all of this information is on the BBC website, this would be covered by the now standard advice of a judge for jury members not to research the case on the Internet. --'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:18, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::Reports of the investigation contain information which may be inadmissible or prejudicial, or even plain wrong. ] ] 19:27, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::In many commonwealth realm countries it's generally considered questionable if instructions to the jury to not research cases independently is sufficient, as evidence sometimes evidence emerges that juries have ignored such instructions. Plus you still run the risk of juries coming across the info inadvertedly. ] (]) 01:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

:Petri, if we accede to a request to remove the article we retain the freedom to republish it at any time, and in particular to republish it after the trial is over (and update it). If you feel diminished by acceding to such a request, made in the service of a greater good, your reaction is simply not that of a responsible adult. Moreover, you are fetishising our freedom to regurgitate popular press statements and speculations – which, as the Yeates case proved, are often ''complete'' rubbish – to a degree that is completely disproportionate to their actual encyclopedic value. (That fetishisation of Misplaced Pages content was a worrying tendency equally apparent in the recent Hawkins AfD.) <small>By the way, the SPI is a nice April Fool's joke! :) Sorry to break the festive mood.</small> --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 19:05, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::How does service of a greater good differ from ]? What other greater goods and good causes should Misplaced Pages take up? Maybe bringing "freedom" and "democracy" to all the worlds oppressed peoples?
::In reality I do not object to censorship of the article. What I object to is the way this is done. What I would like to see is that the hat note be changed to something like: ''"This article has been redacted to comply with the '']'' requirements of British law."'' -- ] (]) 19:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Why? It hasn't been. Nobody has suggested that it has. ] (]) 19:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::::The article was modified to comply with ]. The request from English law enforcement just brought the problem to our attention. ] ] 19:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::This is not the case and you know it. I am not going to take your word for it and neither has the community. -- ] (]) 20:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:::I see a pretty obvious difference between activism and enabling a fair trial. You don't? --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 20:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

:I don't see any particular reason to think we won't abide by a similar Russian or Chinese request. Yes we'd get some objection just as we are getting some now. In fact, I'm pretty sure this issue has came up before and I said the same thing, we should abide by a similar Russian, Chinese or whatever request. Note 'similar' is a key word. If they are asking us to temporarily remove information to ensure a fair trial that's fine. If they are asking us to permanently remove stuff which they feel is prejudiced against them or untrue, that's not a similar example. Since China has a jury system similar to a number of other countries uses a jury system where a judge is involved and in Russia there is only very limited use of juries and I've seen no evidence they have a similar system of subjudice, it's unclear to me whether a similar request is likely. ] (]) 02:07, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

::I remember now there was the case of ], see ] & ] (probably more discussion in other areas) ] (]) 02:34, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Articles which make "allegations" make bad encyclopedia articles, especially when any sort of POV can be attached thereto. I suggest that articles subject to ] in ''any'' manner which make allegations be ''strongly constrained''. ] (]) 18:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Is this an April Fools thing? ] (]) 20:02, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:Not to my knowledge. --'''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 20:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

As this has been apparently referred to WMF legal, I won't do anything until such time as they respond. But I do have a view on this. As is well-known I take a strong view on the necessity to uphold the highest standards of dignity and responsibility on biographies of living persons. We ought not to repeat tabloid speculation in most cases. I think there are a number of newspapers, particularly in the UK, which we should (almost) never accept as sources due to their ongoing bias, inflammatory exaggerations, etc. But I think that the article it its current form is much too restricted. We have in the BBC, which among the popular media is at the very pinnacle of quality and reliability. The information that Mr. Halliwell has been accused of murder, the accusation coming at an open court hearing at which he appeared, is a fact that couldn't possibly prejudice his trial. (I mean, the fact that he's going to go on trial for murder will already be apparent to jurors when the case is heard, since he'll be on trial for murder!) I really like Collect's formulation, above: "I suggest that articles subject to ] in ''any'' manner which make allegations be ''strongly constrained''."--] (]) 08:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
:I'm not sure where this request came from; but it sounds highly suspicious and in my (unfortunately lengthy) experience of the UK justice system, is not something they would do (or try). The police have specific avenues to apply these measures to the press - which they have not used in this case (having checked). --''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 08:50, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

==Inclusion of Touré's surname in his article==
Hi, Jimmy Since the matter of whether to include ]'s surname has come up again, can you cast your vote ]? If anyone here would like to participate, we could sure use your input to get a bead on the community consensus. If you're unfamiliar with the arguments for and against doing including the surname, you can read them just above that section, or click ]. The discussion is of considerable length, but not too long to get a gist of the primary arguments for and against. I really appreciate it. Thanks. ] ] (]) 16:49, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:I commented over there. I hope we can get more eyes on the situation, as it's an interesting one and, I think can and should be handled with respect and dignity... but only so long as people don't get wound up and into "WP:NOTCENSORED!!!111!!! is ALL!!!" mode.--] (]) 10:06, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

== April Fool's pranking policy? ==

Editors should be able to have fun once a year. However, some pranks are disruptive. I seek to strike a balance between those two aspects. I propose the following:
:# There should be '''''one''''' April Fool's prank in article space. This should be clever, well-designed and funny, like Google's pranks. It should not be immediately obvious as a joke, but neither should it be so plausible that it lasts until after April 1 is over.
:# Other pranks are OK ''so long as they stay within the community namespaces ''(project, user, and talk namespaces)'' and do not affect article space.'' For example, joke AfDs would be fine, as long as the joke-nominated articles didn't have deletion templates on them.
:# Ruining of (legitimate) jokes by exposing them can result in a block after a warning.
:# The best April Fool's pranks should be commemorated in an April Fool's Hall of Fame, the worst in an April Fool's Hall of Infamy.
:# Editors should try to come up with original pranks, rather than repeating the same ones year after year.
:# Standard vandalism remedies will be applied to violators of this policy.
What do you think? ] ] 22:23, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
: ] is the best place, as this is a community concept. I was inches from blocking some folks this morning due to horrifically idiotic AFD's, BLP vios. It's already being discussed at AN wrongly (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 22:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! ] (]) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Just for reference, this year's April Fool's DYKs included:


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... that in 2007, the owners of a hairy Fabulous Willy were criticised for being homosexual?
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Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.


Could you or your page watchers help me with ]? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.
... that Nintendo owns the rights to a pornographic film?


], standing beside a collection of Maori carvings, including two fire-screens, carved by her father Albert Percy Godber]]
... that Santa Claus was a stud?
I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. ] (]) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:If Godber is not ], which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. ] (]) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::] is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? ] (]) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dunno, but ] wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. ] (]) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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::::And this a request to revisit his finding. We have a photographer from more than 100 years ago who documented areas of New Zealand's North Island. We have his work in a National Library collection. We have his work discussed as iconic for one of his Maori related photographs. We have his work revisited in a 2018 exhibition. We have descriptions of him related to his photographs, his career, and we have the photos themselves documenting the areas industries, sites, infrastructure from more than 100 years ago. If I was satisfied with the previous conclusions I would not be here. So I ask again, should we have an entry on this subject? Should we just attribute his photos where we use them to an unlinked name with no explanation or discussion of who he was? I think the answer is clear, and I wanted to hear Jimbo's opinion. I am aware of what was previously stated. Years have passed and I believe it's time to reevaluate and consider. I also think it's worth reflecting on our article creations processes more generally and how we apply our conception of "notability". ] (]) 23:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*Godber's photographs include "views of the ] including large numbers of cars traveling to ], and the ]. Another group of images relate to a holiday at the ] Homestead in ] with scenes of farm life, including ], ] sheep, and farm buildings. During their stay in the South Island Godber also took photographs of Dunedin (including the ], ], ], the ], and the Hillside Railway Workshops); ] (including the Invercargill Railway Workshops); Stewart Island, ], ], ], ] and ]. Various railway stations in Canterbury and Otago, the ], and the Rosslyn Mills. Godber was a volunteer fireman with the Petone Fire Brigade with the album including views of the building, groups of firemen, fire engines and other fire fighting equipment, and a building in Petone damaged by fire. In his work with New Zealand Railways, mainly at the Petone Railway Workshops, he took interior photographs of various buildings, including the Machine Shop and finishing benches, the engine room, lathes, boilers, and fitting shops. He also took photographs of many of the steam engines that were built and worked on at the workshops. One scene shows a group of men watching a fight. Many images show his interest in logging railways, particularly in the ], ], ] area. Scenes of logging camps, various methods of transporting logs including bullock teams, logging trains, and dams created and then tripped to send logs down by river, and timber mills. Other topics covered in Godber's photographs are scenes at Maori ] and meeting houses, with some of the people identified; Maori carving and rafter designs; beekeeping, and gold mining." ] (]) 23:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*It's hard to choose which photos to share. Historic views areas, industries, bridges, natural features, railways and bridges, crafts. to his photos on Misplaced Pages Commons. Many already illustrate our entries on various subjects. ] (]) 00:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)


== Just wanted to say ==
... that in 2009, the urinal known as "The Carousel of Love" (pictured), a well known place for gay cruising, was declared a Norwegian Cultural Heritage Site?


You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you. <br>It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the <s>cabal of editors</s> <b>thriving community</b> that is Misplaced Pages.
... that an Italian Protestant fathered The Virgin Mary in 1950?
I wish I could give you a BarnMilkyWay but no one's come up with that, apparently. (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 00:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


== ==
... that T. vagina have eyes hidden behind their skin?


For the interested. ] (]) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
... that a Baker went into outer space with sea urchin sperm, later receiving a rubber duck and many bananas for her efforts?


:Summary: {{tq|This document intends to show the problematic situation in Hebrew Misplaced Pages (hewiki), and provide evidence that it has been overtaken by a group of mostly religious and nationalist editors, who prevent others from achieving higher permissions while promoting their own allies.}} –] <small>(])</small> 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
... that if you want to talk to the anal it helps to speak their language?


== Happy new year ==
... that Ralph Dewey (pictured) blows up animals for Jesus?


Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? ] 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
... that a Roman Catholic priest got five Super Bowl rings with the 49ers?


== ==
... that Nuns can fly at high altitudes?


That doesn't sound good. From '']''. ] (]) 09:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
... that red hot penises can be pickled, but it is recommended one not eat them? '''<font color="#0000FF">]</font><font color=" #FFBF00">]</font><font color="#0000FF">]</font>''' 23:05, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:The first one and the last two are obviously BLP violations...--] ] 23:07, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::BLP regards unsourced criticisms of particular persons, which does include misleading statements. The Ralph Dewey one is concerningly misleading, but I see no issue with any of the others. Miss Baker is a monkey, not a person. Nuns are a group, not a person. Santa Claus is a fictional character, not a person. And Nintendo really ''does'' own the rights to a pornographic film. ] 02:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
:::OK, maybe not exactly BLP for the last two, but still, these aren't going to be found funny by many people.--] ] 03:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::::For the last one, see what a ] is. ] (]) 12:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
:I disagree with this proposal practically in its entirety. To begin with, the Misplaced Pages April Fool's tradition doesn't (or at least shouldn't) involve any deception; the jokes must be obvious because the way the hooks are worded is practically all people have to work with. The article information is quirky because it just ''is'' quirky. Having all the hooks be something nutty is part of the tradition, and a good one.
:The obsession with sex affects censors and productive editors alike; this is an illustration of the Hodge-Podge principle from ]. Trying to ban sexual content (including humor) only makes it more on editors' minds when creative ideas are called for; likewise the desire to flourish it defiantly provokes the would-be censors. ] (]) 05:00, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::There is a difference between censorship and exercising good taste. The former is imposed from without, the latter is a sign of intelligence and sensibility. --] (]) 08:18, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
:::That's 100% correct. The idea is not to censor things, but to actually '''be funny'''. To actually be funny takes more than cheap sex gags. We should always aim higher.--] (]) 08:31, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
:::: Like I said on AN (because someone moved WP:BEANS and could not move it back): "So then create ]; make it humourous. Then nominate it for MFD - you then draw people's attention to your humour. Mindless MFD's are not positive, and are truly a disruption in all cases" (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span>]) 09:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::I rather liked Ron Ritzman's "leaving in a hissy fit", and of course I liked my addition to the top of RfA and my ]. ] (]) 12:27, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
*Disagree with the proposal. Firstly there should be no April Fools pranks in mainspace (and if we did allow one who would get to decide which one?). As for the rest of the pedia some jokes are funnier than others, if you don't think a particular joke RFA is funny then don't participate in it. The mainpage is an institution, I doubt if we have consensus to move away from our strange but true tradition. If you don't think that this year was particularly good then please help make next year better. '']]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers''</span> 12:49, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


:Being discussed at ]. ] (]) 10:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*I think it just may be time to move on from the April Fools' "tradition" here, honestly. It may have been cool and hip 5-6 years ago here, but as the population has grown significantly since then its just no longer a case of "oh I know Person X, he wasn't being serious". There's too many names, too many admins for that familiarity to stay rooted. This year's run of jokes came across like a bunch of late 20-somethings who still hang around the college campus and get hammered every week. Sooner or later it is time to mature. ] (]) 13:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks! ] (]) 11:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::Also discussed at ] and ]. ] (]) 19:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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    Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder!

    Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

    Albert Percy Godber

    Albert Percy Godber at his brass finishing lathe in the Petone railway workshops. A sign before him reads: `This is my busy day'
    "Looking down over a settlement with houses set amongst trees. The arm of a lake or harbour lies beyond, with a mountainous range on the far side. Photograph taken by Albert Percy Godber. Probably taken at Queenstown, Godber having visited Lake Wakatipu and Queenstown in 1926"

    Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.

    Could you or your page watchers help me with Draft:Albert Percy Godber? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.

    "Phyllis Mary Godber wearing a Maori cloak, holding a taiaha, standing beside a collection of Maori carvings, including two fire-screens, carved by her father Albert Percy Godber

    I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    If Godber is not WP:NOTABLE, which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. Polygnotus (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
    user:Polygnotus is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? FloridaArmy (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
    I dunno, but User:Sulfurboy wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. Polygnotus (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
    "Godber family outside their house 'Railway Whare' at 23 Bay Street, Petone, circa 1906. From left to right: Albert Percy Godber, Mary Ann Godber, Laura Godber, Phyllis and William. Photograph taken by Albert Percy Godber"
    And this a request to revisit his finding. We have a photographer from more than 100 years ago who documented areas of New Zealand's North Island. We have his work in a National Library collection. We have his work discussed as iconic for one of his Maori related photographs. We have his work revisited in a 2018 exhibition. We have descriptions of him related to his photographs, his career, and we have the photos themselves documenting the areas industries, sites, infrastructure from more than 100 years ago. If I was satisfied with the previous conclusions I would not be here. So I ask again, should we have an entry on this subject? Should we just attribute his photos where we use them to an unlinked name with no explanation or discussion of who he was? I think the answer is clear, and I wanted to hear Jimbo's opinion. I am aware of what was previously stated. Years have passed and I believe it's time to reevaluate and consider. I also think it's worth reflecting on our article creations processes more generally and how we apply our conception of "notability". FloridaArmy (talk) 23:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Godber's photographs include "views of the Hutt Valley including large numbers of cars traveling to Trentham Racecourse, and the Hutt River. Another group of images relate to a holiday at the Mendip Hills Homestead in Canterbury, New Zealand with scenes of farm life, including haymaking, merino sheep, and farm buildings. During their stay in the South Island Godber also took photographs of Dunedin (including the Ross Reservoir, Otago Boys' High School, Seacliff Mental Hospital, the 1926 Dunedin Exhibition, and the Hillside Railway Workshops); Invercargill (including the Invercargill Railway Workshops); Stewart Island, Moeraki, Tuatapere, Waiau River, Oamaru and Port Chalmers. Various railway stations in Canterbury and Otago, the Burnside Iron Mills, and the Rosslyn Mills. Godber was a volunteer fireman with the Petone Fire Brigade with the album including views of the building, groups of firemen, fire engines and other fire fighting equipment, and a building in Petone damaged by fire. In his work with New Zealand Railways, mainly at the Petone Railway Workshops, he took interior photographs of various buildings, including the Machine Shop and finishing benches, the engine room, lathes, boilers, and fitting shops. He also took photographs of many of the steam engines that were built and worked on at the workshops. One scene shows a group of men watching a fight. Many images show his interest in logging railways, particularly in the Piha, Karekare, Anawhata area. Scenes of logging camps, various methods of transporting logs including bullock teams, logging trains, and dams created and then tripped to send logs down by river, and timber mills. Other topics covered in Godber's photographs are scenes at Maori marae and meeting houses, with some of the people identified; Maori carving and rafter designs; beekeeping, and gold mining." FloridaArmy (talk) 23:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    • It's hard to choose which photos to share. Historic views areas, industries, bridges, natural features, railways and bridges, crafts. Here's a link to his photos on Misplaced Pages Commons. Many already illustrate our entries on various subjects. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

    Just wanted to say

    You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you.
    It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the cabal of editors thriving community that is Misplaced Pages. I wish I could give you a BarnMilkyWay but no one's come up with that, apparently. (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Requests for comment/Severe Problems in hewiki

    For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Summary: This document intends to show the problematic situation in Hebrew Misplaced Pages (hewiki), and provide evidence that it has been overtaken by a group of mostly religious and nationalist editors, who prevent others from achieving higher permissions while promoting their own allies. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Happy new year

    Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? -Lemonaka 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

    Scoop: Heritage Foundation plans to ‘identify and target’ Misplaced Pages editors

    That doesn't sound good. From The Forward. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Being discussed at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Heritage Foundation intending to "identify and target" editors. CMD (talk) 10:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    Also discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_5/Evidence#Edit_request and Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Heritage_Foundation_planning_to_dox_Wikipedia_editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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