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Would someone be so kind as to close out this RFC? ] (]) 09:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


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Would an uninvolved admin please close and summarize the RFC at ]?--] (]) 00:11, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


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Would an admin close and summarize ]? Thanks, ] (]) 00:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
*This discussion was archived to ]. ] <sup><font color="#E3A857">]</font></sup><sub> <font color="#008000">]</font></sub> 12:02, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


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Please close ], thanks!! &ndash; ] <sup>(])</sup> 08:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:{{cross}} '''Not done,''' thirty days have not yet elapsed, and the latest comment is only four days old. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 09:06, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The 30 days of RFC will elapse will be reached on 23 May 2012. ] <sup><font color="#E3A857">]</font></sup><sub> <font color="#008000">]</font></sub> 18:11, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


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Could an uninvolved administrator close the RfC at ]. Thank you. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 13:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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This is archived but there is still one DRV open. ] (]) 17:23, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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When I saw http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=493621214#User:Fae at WP:AN, I reviewed the RfC/U and found that unlike the most recent RfC/Us at ] it had not been summarized.
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] and ] are two excellent examples of how complex RfC/Us are summarized. ] (]) 07:14, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:Discussion originally closed by {{user|Nobody Ent}}. . ] <sup><font color="#E3A857">]</font></sup><sub> <font color="#008000">]</font></sub> 10:12, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
::No consensus was reached. I closed it per iar as no one else seemed willing to it. My more personal summary may be found ]. <small>]</small> 20:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Added a note to the top of the page pointing to the summary of the RFC/U , and I think this can be marked as {{tl|done}}. ] <sup><font color="#E3A857">]</font></sup><sub> <font color="#008000">]</font></sub> 21:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Your close was (correctly) reverted by another editor because the close merely linked to ] which is a very sarcastic (but accurate) summary of the situation. ] (]) 02:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::Umm, no, it's not correct to revert in such a situation. It's fine to disagree but not to unilaterally overturn it. ] (]) 07:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::BTW it's not even my close, I just linked to the closer's summary. ] <sup><font color="#E3A857">]</font></sup><sub> <font color="#008000">]</font></sub> 08:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


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*Whether it was meant to be sarcastic or serious or a mixture of both, a comment that refers to other editors as "a bunch of homophobes" should have been stricken from the RfC's talk page entirely, not propped up as an honest evaluation of the matter. ] (]) 13:45, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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:*In that case, the RFC/U still needs a proper summary. ] <sup><font color="#E3A857">]</font></sup><sub> <font color="#008000">]</font></sub> 15:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::*I would have thought it obvious that "a bunch of homophobes" was Nobody Ent's (admittedly sarcastic) summary of one of the arguments put forward in the RfC/U. It's very obvious from the context and tone of his summary that he's attempting to reflect the various arguments in a relatively lighthearted fashion. I'm sure that some will be upset that he's declined to take the outcome of the RfC/U seriously, which is quite understandable given what a circus it was and what a thorough mess it ended up being. ] (]) 19:22, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*Regarding , I would say that our comprehension is working just fine, thanks. I addressed the possibility of sarcasm in my comment here earlier, but wil note again that even if it was intended was sarcasm, it was still inappropriate. It would be preferable if someone else provided a mature and serious summation of the RfC. ] (]) 19:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


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:<small>Moved from AN. ] (]) 19:18, 21 May 2012 (UTC)</small>
I would like someone to look at ]; there is a "view" subscribed to by a large enough number of editors at ] and a move to close at ]. Editor in question has had ample opportunity to show a dedication to cease disruptive editing (in this case, filibustering and stalling) and has not seized that opportunity. This has been running since 12 May. Thank you in advance. ] (]) 15:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


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{{initiated|22:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)}} Tough one, died down, will expire tomorrow. ] (]) 23:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
(I hope this is the right place to make a request of this type. If not, please let me know.)


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{{Initiated|11:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)}} Participation/discussion has mostly stopped & is unlikely to pick back up again. - ] (]) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* ] → {{noredirect|1=Book of Chronicles}}
:{{a note}} This is a ] and subject to ]. - ] (]) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
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It's been at ] for nearly a month and is quite stale at this point, I believe. Both sides had good points, and I wish we could have gotten a wider range of input. There is no clear consensus at the moment, however, and it doesn't look as though one is going to develop any time soon. ] (]) (]) 18:12, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
{{Initiated|19:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)}} RfC expired on 6 December 2024 . No new comments in over a week. ] (]) 15:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:The actual discussion can be found at ]. ] <sup><font color="#E3A857">]</font></sup><sub> <font color="#008000">]</font></sub> 21:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
::{{done|closed}} - <b>]</b> 12:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


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{{Initiated|16:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)}}
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An ] concerning reference style that was opened on April 12. ]! <sup>]</sup> 22:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
{{initiated|22:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)}} Legobot has removed the RFC notice. Can we please get an interdependent close. '']''<sup>]</sup> 23:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{a note}} Ongoing discussion, please wait a week or two. ] (]) 14:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)


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{{initiated|15:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)|done=yes}} The last comment on this was on 24 December 2024 and Legobot has removed the RFC tag. An independent closer (preferably an admin) would be welcome. Many thanks - ] (]) 15:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
] has a severe backlog; the oldest entries date from January.
*{{done}} Best, ] (]) 16:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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{{initiated|25 September 2024}} Open for a while, requesting uninvolved closure. ''']'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">]</span> 22:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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{{initiated|11:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)}} Experienced closer requested. &#8213;]&nbsp;] 13:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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{{initiated|29 October 2024}} There are voices on both sides (ie it is not uncontroversial) so a non-involved editor is needed to evaluate consensus and close this. Thanks. ]] 09:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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{{initiated|7 November 2024}} Looking for uninvolved close in CTOP please, only a few !votes in past month. I realise this doesn't require closing, but it is preferred in such case due to controversial nature of topic. ] (]) 10:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{a note}} I'm happy to perform the merge if required, as have summarised other sections of this article already with consensus. I realise it's usually expected to perform splits or merges when closing discussions, but in this case it wouldn't be needed. ] (]) 20:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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    (Initiated 70 days ago on 29 October 2024) There are voices on both sides (ie it is not uncontroversial) so a non-involved editor is needed to evaluate consensus and close this. Thanks. PamD 09:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

    Talk:Israel–Hamas war#Survey

    (Initiated 61 days ago on 7 November 2024) Looking for uninvolved close in CTOP please, only a few !votes in past month. I realise this doesn't require closing, but it is preferred in such case due to controversial nature of topic. CNC (talk) 10:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

    • information Note: I'm happy to perform the merge if required, as have summarised other sections of this article already with consensus. I realise it's usually expected to perform splits or merges when closing discussions, but in this case it wouldn't be needed. CNC (talk) 20:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Talk:Shiv Sena#Merge proposal

    (Initiated 41 days ago on 27 November 2024) Discussion seems to have stopped. As the proposal is not uncontroversial, and I, as the initiator, am involved, I am requesting an uninvolved editor to close the discussion. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 11:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    Place new discussions concerning other types of closing requests above this line using a level 3 heading

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