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==PerspicazHistorian==
== TheShadowCrow ==
{{hat|{{u|PerspicazHistorian}} is blocked indefinitely from mainspace. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 03:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC) }}
<small>''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. <br />Requests may not exceed 500 ] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''</small>


===Request concerning PerspicazHistorian===
{{hat|{{user|TheShadowCrow}} is banned from all articles and discussions covered under ] for 6 months, broadly construed. TheShadowCrow is also warned that continued violations of the ] will trigger sanctions under ]. ] (]) 03:35, 2 July 2012 (UTC)}}
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|NXcrypto}} 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|PerspicazHistorian}}<p>{{ds/log|PerspicazHistorian}}</p>
===Request concerning TheShadowCrow===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : ]] 19:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|TheShadowCrow}}
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; ] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it : ; ] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :
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# # - removed "discrimination" sidebar from the page of ] (fascist ideology) even though the sidebar was inserted inside a section, not even the lead.
# # - tag bombed the highly vetted ] article without any discussion or reason
# # - attributing castes to people withhout any sources
# - edit warring to impose the above edits after getting
# - just like above, but this time he also added unreliable sources
# - still edit warring and using edit summaries instead of talk page for conversation
# - filed an outrageous report on WP:ANI without notifying any editors. This report was closed by Bbb23 as "{{tq|This is nothing but a malplaced, frivolous personal attack by the OP.}}"


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#Warned on by {{user|Grandmaster}} *Already 2 blocks in last 4 months for edit warring.
#Warned on by {{user|Moreschi}}, logged at ]: ;If ] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see ]):
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Another very problematic user in AA area. He was warned about AA remedies, warned about inappropriateness of edit warning, and violations of ] rules. Despite all of that, he made a very inappropriate edit to the BLP article about Azerbaijani chess player ], with inflammatory edit summary (now revdeleted): After I rolled back that edit, he edit warred to restore it: TheShadowCrow was blocked for 72 hours by CT Cooper for persistent violations of the ]: , which is the second block of TheShadowCrow within the last 4 months. Since TheShadowCrow proved to be a problematic editor in AA related area, I think the admins may need to consider placing this editor on some restriction in the arbitration covered area to prevent further disruption in the future. ]] 19:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


I do not see any positive signs that this editor will ever improve. So far he has only regressed. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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:While going through this report, PerspicazHistorian has made another highly problematic edit by edit warring and misrepresenting the sources to label the organisation as "terrorist". This primary source only provides a list of organisations termed by the Indian government as "terrorist" contrary to ]. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


*PerspicazHistorian is still using sources (see ]) and wishing to move ] to ] which is a blatant POV. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 04:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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====Statement by TheShadowCrow====


===Discussion concerning PerspicazHistorian ===
====Comments by others about the request concerning TheShadowCrow====
<small>''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 ] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.<br />Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''</small>


====Statement by PerspicazHistorian ====
TheShadowCrow is not currently subject to restrictions under these sanctions because he has not been given the required initial warning. Despite what Moreschi says here , he DID NOT notify TheShadowCrow. This is not a notification. This request by Grandmaster should, at the most, be a request for TheShadowCrow to be given that initial warning so that TheShadowCrow becomes subject to them. However, I doubt the need for even that, given the edits cited are all BLP issues and seem to have been dealt with. ] 20:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
*By far I am also concerned how my edits were forcefully reverted without a proper reason despite providing enough references. Please check how I am getting attacked by them on ] Page.
:TheShadowCrow was warned about AA2 by me, which is sufficient. The purpose of the warning is to make the editor in question aware of the arbitration, which he was. Moreschi also warned TheShadowCrow to refrain from edit warring in AA area, which TheShadowCrow did not do. On a side note, Meowy is indefinitely banned from commenting at ] and any other boards on AA related matters , which he again chose to ignore. ]] 20:59, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I didn't know about the three-revert-rule before ] told me about this: ].
::I disagree. An editor does not become subject to specific sanctions just because some ordinary editor posts a vague note about those sanctions on the first editor's talk page. Why would any editor give an ounce of credbility and importance to such a note? In fact, I think that the posting of such a note breaks good faith editing guidelines, given that the giver and the receiver of the note will invariably be engaged in some sort of mutual editing dispute (as you were with TheShadowCrow when you posted the note) and the receiver will obviously see the posting of it as an aggressive act. A warning should only be given by uninvolved editors, ideally by uninvolved admnistrators - only then will the editor getting it know it is a serious matter and consider it to be good advice. The good advice by Moreschi about not to edit war and to explain edits on article talk pages applies to all articles on Misplaced Pages, not just to a specific subject area. ] 21:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Please grant me one more chance, I will make sure not to edit war.<br>
*In the below statement by LukeEmily, As a reply I just want to say that I was just making obvious edit on ] by adding a list of notable people with proper references. And according to ] it is clearly said: "Edits from a slanted point of view, general insertion or removal of material, or other good-faith changes are not considered vandalism." It was a good faith edit but others reverted it. I accept my mistake of not raising it on talk page as a part of ].<br>
*As a clarification to my edit on ], it can be clearly seen that I provided enough reference to prove its a terrorist organisation as seen in this . I don't know why is there a discussion to this obvious edit? Admins please correct me if I am wrong.
:@], Yes I read about 1RR and 0RR revert rules in ]. I now understand the importance of raising the topic on talk page whenever a consensus is needed. Thank You ! ] (]) 07:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I will commit to that. ] (]) 13:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC) <small>Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 13:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC) </small>
:At that time I was new to how AFD discussions worked. Later on when ] was marked for deletion, I respected the consensus by not interfering in it. The article was later deleted. ] (]) 11:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
*Hi @] , I just checked your user page. You have 16 years (I am 19) of experience on wiki, you must be right about me. I agree that my start on Misplaced Pages has been horrible, but I am learning a lot from you all. I promise that I will do better, get more neutral here and contribute to the platform to my best. Please don't block me.
::''<small>P.S.- I don't know If I will be blocked or what , according to this enforcement rules, I just want to personally wish good luck to you for your ongoing cancer treatments, You will surely win this battle of Life. Regards.</small>'' ] (]) 12:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)<small>Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section.] (]) 15:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</small>


*1) I just asked an user @] if the page move is possible. What's wrong with it? I still have not considered putting a move request on talk page of article.
Since we had to discuss Meowy here, I think it is worth to take a look at the history of his contribs after his return from a 1 year block in February this year. Meowy stood up for almost every sanctioned user who was sharing the same content views with him, wikilayering and petty bickering sometimes in violation of his ban on participation in AA enforcement discussions that have no direct relation to him. For instance, here he was objecting to the block of two disruptive accounts which were trying to game the 500 edit restriction: , and Meowy's incivil comments caused the admins to consider blocking him. Meowy's interactions with the enforcing admins at their talks were also in rude violation of civility norms: I think this user should be restricted to make only comments directly related to the content of the articles, as his participation in any discussions unrelated to the article content is not really helpful.
:2) Many of other sources are not raj era. Moreover I myself have deleted the content way before you pointing this out. Thank You ! ] (]) 06:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::even @] is seen engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics. ] (]) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::as mentioned by @] before, <sub>Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here</sub>. You can discuss content related topics on talk pages of articles rather than personally targeting a user here in enforcement. ] (]) 06:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@] I once filed a to find it @] is a sock (out of a misunderstanding, as all were teamed up similarly on various pages). I think he felt it as a personal attack by me and filed this request for enforcement. Please interfere. ] (]) 06:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC) <small>moving to correct section ] (]) 13:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</small>


*Hi @] @], In my defense I just want to say that
Also, back in 2007 Meowy was placed on indef 1RR per week restriction, civility supervision, etc: , which was logged here: Is that restriction still in force after his return from a 1 year block? The reason why I'm asking is because of the large content removals and reverts he made recently on ]: , which were eventually restored by an uninvolved editor. ]] 09:30, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
:1)Yes I usually edit on RSS related topics, but to ensure a democratic view is maintained as many socks try to disrupt such articles. Even on ] page, I just edited on request of talk page and added a graph. I don't think its a POV push.
:2) My main interest in editing is ] and ] topics.
:3)There have been certain cases in past where I was blocked but if studied carefully they were result of me edit warring with socks(although, through guidance of various experienced editors and admins I learnt a SPI should be filed first). I have learnt a lot in my journey and there have been nearly zero case of me of edit warring this month.
:Please do not block me. ] (]) 14:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*@] I beg apologies for the inconvenience caused, thanks for correcting me. I will now reply in my own statement section. @] I am a quick learner and professionally competent to edit in this encyclopedic space. Please consider reviewing this enforcement if its an counter-attack on me as mentioned in my previous replies. You all are experienced editors and I have good faith in your decision-making capability.] (]) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*@]@] I have edited content marked as "original research" and "mess" by you, I am ready to help removing any content that might be considered "poorly sourced" by the community. Please don't block me.] (]) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*@] This enforcement started for edit-warring and now I feel its more concerned to my edited content(which I agree to cooperate and change wherever needed). After learning about edit wars, there has been no instance of me edit-warring, Please consider my request.--] (]) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@] I am not a slow learner, I understand the concerns of all admins here. I will try my best to add only reliable sources, and discuss content in all talk pages, as I already mentioned ]. ] (]) 12:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::@]@] I think admins should focus more on encouraging editors when they do good and correct when mistaken. I have made many edits, added many citations and created much articles which use fine citations. The enforcement started out of retaliation by nxcrypto, now moving towards banning me anyways. I started editing out of passion, and doing it here on wiki unlike those who come here just for pov pushes and disrupt article space(talking about socks and vandalizers on contentious Indian topics).
*::The article ] doesn't only has issue on citations, but the whole article is copypasted from the citations I added. I just wanted to point that out. Remaining about ], I am currently pursuing Btech in cs from IIT delhi, idt I am a slow learner by any means. Still, happy new year to all ! ] (]) 14:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::@] You mean to say, "<sub>The ''prasada'' is to be consumed by attendees as a holy offering. The offerings may include cooked food, ] and confectionery sweets. Vegetarian food is usually offered and later distributed to the devotees who are present in the ]. Sometimes this vegetarian offering will exclude prohibited items such as garlic, onion, mushroom, etc. "</sub> is not copy pasted by website? Is this also a wiki mirror website? How would you feel if I doubt your competence now? ] (]) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::@ ] I just asked others to share their opinion in the enforcement. With all due respect, I don't think its wrong in any sense. ] (]) 15:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::::To all the admins involved here,
*:::::* I agree to keep learning and apologize if my previous edits/replies have annoyed the admins.
*:::::* I have not edit warred since a month and please see it as my willingness to keep learning and getting better.
*:::::*Please give me a chance, I understand concern of you all and respect your opinion in the matter. But please don't block me from editing from main article space. I promise that I will abide by all the rules and will learn from other editors.
*:::::] (]) 15:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


====Statement by LukeEmily====
===Result concerning TheShadowCrow===
PerspicazHistorian also violated ] by engaging in an edit war with {{u|Ratnahastin}} who reverted his edits and restored an article to a stable version by admin. Also, I want to assume good faith but it is surprising that PerspicazHistorian claims that he did not know the three revert rule given that he has more than 800 edits.] (])
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*As this is a clear violation of Meowy's ban, and this is far from the first problem, Future Perfect at Sunrise has blocked Meowy for a week. Will come back to TheShadowCrow later. ] (]) 22:41, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
*Yep, I was just going to make a not of it here. As for TheShadowCrow, the only thing I'll say right now is that I see little merit in Meowy's objection about the warnings. The warnings given to this editor were clearly sufficient. ] ] 22:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
*TheShadowCrow is already blocked for 72 hours for really obvious BLP violations. I'm minded to leave that in place, and impose a 6 months topic ban from the AA area; I don't have much confidence that an indefinite one won't follow in 6 months and 1 day, but it's worth trying. ] (]) 22:53, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
*Why Meowy hasn't been indeffed by now considering the multiple ban resets for evasion in their block log eludes me. Regardless, agree with The Blade on TheShadowCrow. ] (]) 23:11, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
* On TheShadowCrow, I would welcome an AA topic ban for him, but his BLP violations go beyond the AA topic area, and so much longer blocks and use of ] remain on the cards if the problematic edits continue after the block has expired. ]<small><span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>&#32;]</small> 21:06, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
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====Statement by Doug Weller====
== PANONIAN ==
I'm involved so just commenting. I don't think this editor is competent. I had to give them a community sanction caste warning as they were making a mess of castes. See this earlier version of their talk page.]https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:PerspicazHistorian&oldid=1262289249] and ]'s comment that "It was very unwise of you to keep moving ] to article space when it has not passed review. As a direct result of your actions, a deletion discussion is taking place, and when this is complete and the article is deleted, you will be prevented from recreating it. ] (]) 14:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)" There have also been copyright issues. I strongly support a topic ban. ] ] 11:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)


:::I won't be involved in the decision. No more treatments for me, just coast until... ] ] 12:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
''Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.''


===Request concerning PANONIAN=== ====Statement by Toddy1====
This is another editor who appears to have pro-] (RSS) and pro-] (BJP) views. I dislike those views, but find it rather alarming that Misplaced Pages should seek to censor those views, but not the views of the political opponents. Imagine the outrage if we sought to topic-ban anyone who expressed pro-] views, but allowed ] to say whatever they liked.
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : ] (]) 01:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


A lot of pro-RSS/BJP editors turn out to be sock-puppets, so please can we do a checkuser on this account. And to be even-handed, why not checkuser NXcrypto too.
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If we want to talk about ] when editors make mistakes, look at the diff given by NXcrypto for "Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested" - it is the wrong diff. He/she did notify PerspicazHistorian - but the correct diff is .
;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: ] - at least for Hungarian-related topics
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A topic ban from Indian topics would be unhelpful, unless given to both parties. Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India. Loading the dice against BJP and RSS editors will turn Misplaced Pages into a fringe encyclopaedia on Indian topics.
; ] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :
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# His topic ban per ] , but he's already into removing Hungarian place names from Hungarian-related articles (even articles that are part of ]). One of such is the ], where his move (and has managed to spark tensions.
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# PANONIAN has made all of the edits above with the sole purpose of removing the Hungarian (and German) place names. In some of them he's justified them with arguments such as "unimportant names", in others he didn't present any arguments (or summary) at all. It also goes without saying that (besides the changes at the Bratislava article) he didn't bother with discussing these changes at all.
# PANONIAN's post on the ] article's talk page, which started the whole heated debate. He's made his anti-Hungarian opinion well-known there ('' are names used by former countries that oppressed Slovaks and I see no other reason why somebody would place these names there instead to "remind Slovaks about their former slavery".''). He has a fairly extensive list of such statements from the near and far past alike (please see the statement section for the rest).


I can see a good case for restricting PerspicazHistorian to draft articles and talk pages for a month, and suggesting that he/she seeks advice from more experienced editors. Another solution would be a one-revert rule to last six months.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 13:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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#Warned on by {{user|HJ Mitchell}} - Since the user has been around for long enough (and already has a topic ban as per ], where he's been warned twice), a further warning might not be necessary.


====Statement by Capitals00====
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I find the comment from {{U|Toddy1}} to be entirely outrageous. What are you trying to tell by saying "{{tq|Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India}}"? If you want us to entertain those who are in power, then we could never have an article like ].
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In contrast with (and as per the links above), I was "only" able to find ] and an absolute failure to ]. This latter is a particularly prevalent pattern in PANONIAN's behavior, which is palpable from his numerous talk page entries as well:
: - obviously he thinks here that editors who oppose him are "irredentist vandals"
: - his statement from above which he later reconfirmed with :
:''...Slovaks in former Austria-Hungary were indeed enslaved...''. This ANI entry might be of particular interest for several of his other (anti-Hungarian and anti-opponent) statements too:
:''Why else an Slovak would curse your mother if not to respond to your tendentious anti-Slovak editing in Misplaced Pages?'' (in support of a banned Slovak editor who keeps harassing me)
:'' article is clearly written without such agreement and fully supports POV of Hungarian users since they cooperating between themselves and since they ensured their numerical superiority over Slovak users.'' (in reference to a perceived lack of "Slovak POV" in the article).
I think that these statements of his just confirm that he's still just as keen in sparking tensions between editors of Hungarian-related (history-wise or other) articles as he was e.g. a year ago:
:(the content he wants to insert) ''contradicts to Greater Hungarian nationalistic propaganda that human rights of Hungarians in Serbia, Slovakia and Romania are violated. The goal of such propaganda is certainly not this action of Serbian state and police that arrested those who are responsible for minority monument damaging. The true goal of that propaganda would be much larger event in which borders would be changed and these lands would be transfered from Serbian to Hungarian state, and then, Hungarian police would "rightfully punish" those boys responsible for monument damaging, not only by arresting them, but by executing them, since "no such enemies of Hungarian state should walk alive" (of course, such fate could reach all non-Hungarians in "future Greater Hungary", no matter if they are damaging Hungarian monuments or not - by the view of Hungarian nationalism, they are just "minor races" that should be ruled by "noble Hungarians").''
:''It amuse me how some Greater Hungarian nationalists are still dreaming that borders will be changed and that they again will rule over "minor races". Justice for Hungary was served in Trianon. In modern free and democratic World it is not acceptable that an local minority rule over local majority. Bačka is majority Slavic, so attempts of asserting an aggressive Hungarism in article about Bačka cannot have other interpretation but one that the person who trying to assert that thinks that in some close or distant future Bačka will be attached to Greater Hungary in which local Hungarian minority will rule over local Slavic majority. Nationalism, ethnic oppression and genocide are examples of poisonous legacy that Hungarian rule left in Bačka.''
In the ANI entry an admin (]) has expressed a wish for an ArbCom report too, citing the same arguments as I did above (albeit in a bit fancier way). Personally I have to say that a topic ban for PANONIAN regarding any article that can be connected to Hungarians (e.g. including articles dealing with ALL of Slovakia's history, cities etc. too) is absolutely necessary in order to avoid any additional large-scale disruption to those articles.


You cannot ask topic ban for both editors without having any evidence of misconduct. Same way, you cannot ask CU on either user ]. It is a high time that you should strike your comment, since you are falsely accusing others that they "{{tq|seek to censor}}" this editor due to his "{{tq| pro-Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) views}}". You should strike your comment. If you cannot do that, then I am sure ] is coming for you. ] (]) 15:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
''In reply to @VolunteerMarek:'' Yes, I'm sorry that I hasn't made that point clear (it was 3am in the morning when I've finished, so I might've overlooked it). Anyway I think that a remedy as per ] is insufficient, since PANONIAN has just move to a slightly different region ("Estern Europe", broadly defined) and does the same as he did in the regions where WP:ARBMAC applies. Thus I deem an ] remedy to be necessary too. -- ] (]) 10:39, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


====Statement by Vanamonde93====
''@PANONIAN:'' yes, you're right. I should've said '''propaganda''' instead of '''counter-propaganda''' in the post from your talk page, my bad. As for your statement there's nothing wrong with being against nationalism (in fact I strongly encourage that). The reason I've filed this request however is that you seem to view almost every single Hungarian editor you encounter as an avid supporter of "Great Hungarian nationalism/imperialism" (which apparently means that you don't WP:AGF), which renders any attempts at a discussion and reaching a compromise futile. And ironically (as much as you deny this fact) it's enough for me to cite your old and new posts on this topic (the upper half of the report contains only fresh posts of yours with the maximum age of 2 weeks tops), because they really speak for themselves. -- ] (]) 11:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
{{U|Toddy1}}: I, too, am baffled by your comment. We don't ban editors based on their POV; but we do ban editors who fail to follow our PAGs, and we certainly don't make excuses for editors who fail to follow our guidelines based on their POV. You seem to be suggesting we cut PH some slack because of their political position, and I find that deeply inappropriate. Among other things, I don't believe they have publicly stated anywhere that they support the BJP or the RSS, and we cannot make assumptions about them.


That said, the fact that this was still open prompted me to spot-check PH's contributions, and I find a lot to be concerned about. is from 29 December, and appears to be entirely original research; I cannot access all of the sources, but snippet search does not bear out the content added, and the Raj era source for the first sentence certainly does not support the content it was used for. ], entirely authored by PH, is full of puffery ({{tq|"first to sacrifice his life for the cause of Swarajya"}}, and poor sources (like , and , whose blurb I leave you to judge), from which most of the article appears to be drawn. ], also entirely authored by PH, has original research in its very first sentence; the sources that I can access give passing mention to people whose names include the suffix "appa", and thus could perhaps be examples of usage, but the sources most certainly do not bear out the claim.
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I will note in fairness that I cannot access all the sources for the content I checked. But after spotchecking a dozen examples I have yet to find content PH wrote that was borne out by a reliable source, so I believe skepticism is justified. We are in territory where other editors may need to spend days cleaning up some of this writing. {{U|Bishonen}} If we're in CIR territory, just a normal indefinite block seems cleanest, surely? Or were you hoping that PH would help clean up their mess, perhaps by providing quotes from sources? That could be a pathway to contributing productively, but I'm not holding my breath. ] (]) 18:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)


:Thanks Bish: I agree, as my exchanges with PH today, in response to my first post here, have not inspired confidence. . ] (]) 20:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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===Discussion concerning PANONIAN=== ====Statement by UtherSRG====
I've mostly dealt with PH around ]. They do not seem to have the ability to read and understand our policies and processes. As such, a t-ban is too weak. The minimum I would support is a p-block as suggested below, though a full indef is also acceptable. They could then ask for the ] when they can demonstrate they no longer have ] issues. - ] ] 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


:Based on , I'm more strongly leaning towards indef. - ] ] 12:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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::They now indicate they believe the article they edited was copied from one of the websites they used as a reference, when in reality the website is a mirror/scrape of the Misplaced Pages article. I believe we are firmly in ] territory here. - ] ] 14:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
This thread is just personal attack of CoolKoon against me due to the fact that I opposed his position in ]. Note that in this specific case I only tried to implement Misplaced Pages naming conventions: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#General_guidelines (according to these conventions, if there are more than 3 alternative names for the city, such names should be moved to "Name" section). I had only one original edit in several city articles, I was not involved in revert warring and I opened discussion on talk page.
::: is a mirror of the Misplaced Pages article. - ] ] 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


===Result concerning PerspicazHistorian ===
As for my statements, I have liberal political views, I support all historical and modern independence movements, and I oppose all kinds of "greater" nationalist ideologies that aiming to impose rule of one nation over another one. Therefore, I did spoke against various forms of such nationalism in various pages (CoolKoon only picked some of my statements against Hungarian nationalism, but here you can see me (for example) speaking against Greek nationalism: . So, the question is: is one allowed to oppose nationalism in Misplaced Pages or not?).
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{{u|PerspicazHistorian}}, can you explain your understanding of ] and the ] rule? I'd like you to read thoroughly enough to also explain wny someone may be edit warring ''even if they aren't breaking 3RR''. ] (]) 21:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
As for user:CoolKoon, this is the user who publicly stated on my talk page that his goal in Misplaced Pages is propaganda: - Quote: ''"I have to disappoint you regarding the prospect of disseminating Pan-Slavist nationalist lies too: they've been spread for too long and their crimes went silent and unnoticed for too long. Various Slavic (mostly Slovak and Serbian) propaganda materials about the history of Hungary have been circulated across the globe for too long without the remote possibility of offering at least a NPOV let alone a counteropinion. Fortunately all the cruelties have been well-documented (and many of them well-researched), so the stories will hopefully start to live a life of their own. And when that happens, no amount of counter-propaganda will be able to stop it, because they can't stand a chance against truth (not "perceived" truth which's basically lies disseminated as truth, but a well-documented and properly sourced truth). "'' Or to repeat his words bolded: '''"no amount of counter-propaganda will be able to stop it"''' - this is obviously the user who thinks that he is here to implement propaganda and to fight against "counter-propaganda". ] 08:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
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:@], that explanation of edit warring is a bit wanting. An edit war is when two or more editors revert content additions/removals repeatedly. Even a second reversion by the same editor can be considered edit warring. Best practice -- and what I highly recommend, especially for any inexperienced editor -- is ''the first time'' someone reverts an edit of yours, go to the talk page, open a section, ping the editor who reverted you, and discuss. Do you think you can commit to that?
:<small>Re: your question on why your "obvious edit" was reverted: we don't deal with content issues here, only with behavior issues, but from a very quick look, the source is 50 years old, and using a list headed "TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS LISTED IN THE FIRST SCHEDULE OF THE UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES (PREVENTION) ACT, 1967" that includes a certain organization as a source that the organization should be described as a terrorist organization is ]; in their ] NXcrypto provided an edit summary of "Not a reliable source for such a contentious label. See WP:LABEL." Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here.</small> ] (]) 11:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'm seeing this as a CIR issue. I'd like input from other admins, if possible. I'm a little concerned that setting a tban from IPA is just setting a trap. Maybe a p-block from article space would be a kinder way to allow them to gain some experience? ] (]) 13:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@], have you seen how many times I or others have had to move your comments to your own section? This is an example of not having enough experience to edit productively. Please do not post in anyone else's section again. ] (]) 16:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I do agree we're in CIR territory, and the concerns expressed are completely valid. I don't think this editor is ill-intentioned. They just don't seem very motivated to learn quickly. Well-intentioned-but-a-slow-learner is something that can only be fixed by actually practicing what you're bad at. I'd prefer an indef from article space which gives them one more chance to learn here before we send them off to mr.wiki or Simple English to try to learn. Not a hill I'm going to die on, though. ] (]) 11:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@], like Uther I have major concerns about the edit you made yesterday, which included replacing a citation needed tag with these sources.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Significance of Different Type of Prasad in Hinduism For God |url=https://www.ganeshaspeaks.com/predictions/astrology/prasad-food-for-god/ |access-date=2024-12-30 |website=GaneshaSpeaks |language=en-GB}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=What Is Prashad |url=https://www.swaminarayan.faith/articles/what-is-prashad |access-date=2024-12-30 |website=Shree Swaminarayan Mandir Bhuj |language=en}}</ref> The first is a company that markets astrology services. The second is the site for a religious sect. Neither is a reliable source for explaining the concept of prasada in Wikivoice. You made this edit ''yesterday'', after you'd confirmed here and on my talk that you understood sourcing policy.
:::::The reason for an indef from article space is to allow you to learn this policy: You would go into article talk and suggest sources to fix citation needed tags. Another editor would have to agree with you that the sources are reliable before they'd add them. ] (]) 12:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*A tban from IPA for PerspicazHistorian would be a relief to many editors trying to keep this difficult area in reasonable shape. However, Valereee makes a good point about 'setting a trap': it's doubtful that PH would be able to keep to a tban even if they tried in good faith. I would therefore support a p-block from article space. ] &#124; ] 16:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
*:{{u|Vanamonde93}}, no, I don't really think PH can usefully help clean up their mess; I was following Valereee, who has been going into this in some depth, in attempting to keep some way of editing Misplaced Pages open for PH. It's a bit of a counsel of desperation, though; there is very little daylight between an indef and a p-block from article space. Yes, we ''are'' in CIR territory; just look at PH's ] for NXcrypto being "engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics": one diff of an opponent complaining on NXcrypto's page, and one diff of somebody reverting NXcrypto. What do those actually prove? That NXcrypto has opponents (big surprise). So, yes, as you suggest, I'll support an indef as well. ] &#124; ] 20:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
*Is there a length of time proposed for the p-ban or would it be indefinite? ] (]) 17:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I would say indefinite; not infinite, but I'd be wary about letting them back into articlespace without some kind of preclearance. ] (] • she/her) 18:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*It looks to me like there is a consensus for an indefinite partial block for PerspicazHistorian from article space. Unless any uninvolved admin objects within a day or so, I will close as such. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 06:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Given PH's recent slew of requests on multiple admin talk pages, yes, please do. - ] ] 12:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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=====Statement by Volunteer Marek=====
I'm not seeing any kind of violation of any ArbCom remedy here. The topic ban is for Serbia not Slovakia or Hungary or Germany. The rest is just "ye ol' content dispute" (mostly a result of the fact that Misplaced Pages is too fucked up and lazy to be able to come up with a coherent naming policy so you get these kinds of disputes all over the place) + the usual diff padding (some very old, irrelevant and out of context) and ].
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:@Nmate, dude, my comments on Bratislava were made after I became aware of the dispute because of this very report. I'm "uninvolved" in the sense of "I have an opinion" (which I acquired AFTER reading this report and the Bratislava talk page) - but that applies to everyone who has, is, or will ever comment on this report. And like I said, the rest is just diff-padding.] 18:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

=====Statement by Nmate=====
Volunteer Marek is right in that PANONIAN and CoolKoon are in dispute over content; however, CoolKoon's concern regards the way in which PANONIAN conducts himself in the content-dispute. It is important to note that Volunteer Marek also took sides in the aforementioned content-dispute , which is not a problem of course. However, it is hardly possible to consider Volunteer Marek as an uninvolved user after that. As for the freshness of evidence, Volunteer Marek is also right in that: some diffs are very old here. However, following arbitrator SirFozzie's advice , the policy does not explicitly prohibit bringing old diffs up as long as the evidence relates to current events. Withal, Volunteer Marek is also right in that: the topic ban is for Serbia not Slovakia or Hungary or Germany. Therefore, PANONIAN did not violate his topic-ban technically, even if he challenged one another user on Wikimedia Commons for his/her Serbian-related edits that were made to the English Wipedia . On the other hand, it should be taken into consideration that is whether a good idea to get into a debate over ethnic naming disputes that fall under the Eastern Europe arbitration case after receiving an indefinite topic ban on all articles related to Serbia. Also, I've seen arbitration cases for less. For example, there was an Arbitration case in which ] received an indefinite topic-ban when the submitter's grievance was that ''Hangakiran continues to refer to his opponents' ethnicity in a content dispute, thereby creating a battleground atmosphere'' . I do not know how comparable ''referring to another users' ethnicity in a content dispute'' to certain statements that PANONIAN has recently made about Greater Hungarian nationalists : --] (]) 10:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

=====Statement by Koertefa=====
It is needless to say that there are lot of nationalistically motivated disputed about articles related to East-Central Europe. Resolving these disputes and reaching a consensus is not an easy task, it requires understanding and accepting other viewpoints on the history and on the current situation of the area. There are many hidden tensions which, if not handled with care, can easily lead to heated disputes, name callings (for example, calling others nationalists) and battleground mentality. My main problem with several comments given by PANONIAN is that they rather intensify the conflicts instead of helping to find a common ground. Saying that Hungarian nationalists are (and always were) "''evil''" and aim at imposing "''foreign rule on other nations''" , saying that the only reason to include other names in the lead of an article is to "''remind Slovaks about their former slavery''" and Greater Hungary nationalists (who, according to PANONIAN, want to rule "''minor races''" ) "''force''" these names into the lead , does not help to resole the disputes at all. I can hardly accept PANONIAN's defense that he only fights nationalism. I think that many nationalists would say that they were only fighting nationalism (of other nations). If PANONIAN really wanted to fight nationalism, he should have started with his own nation's extremists. Since his contributions are sometimes more disruptive than helpful, he should be reminded to be much more careful and open minded in these matters. All the best, ] ] 11:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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* The ANI request quoted above was closed with no result and I don't see the need for anything different here. PANONIAN's comments may be hyperbolic and less than helpful, but they are not personal attacks (from what I can see) nor has he engaged in edit warring. At its heart this is a content dispute which is outside of ]'s remit. While, I hope that other admins will comment, my initial judgement is that a round of ]s and a reminder to AGF are in order here rather than blocks or bans. ] (]) 11:25, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
*I agree that this does strike me as making a mountain out of a molehill. Sometimes tempers can get a little heated during content disputes, and beyond a few perhaps intemperate comments I'm not seeing anything particularly egregious; the rest, as Eluchil404 says, is a content dispute and not something that AE deals with. ] (]) 01:59, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


== 99.237.115.11 == ==LaylaCares==
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# EC gaming
] is yet another Rogers Cable IP that locates near to Toronto making...let's call them sub-optimal edits in the topic area.


The diffs show disruptive nationalist POV pushing.
* - Added "The "West Bank" is under the sovereignty and control of Israel, who took it back from Jordan in 1967. The Gaza strip is under the control of the Hamas terrorist group."
* - For the Church of the Nativity, the first World Heritage Site listed under Palestine, they changed the Palestine flag to an Israeli flag. They deleted the word "Palestine" from a citation simply because it was in the title of a UNESCO news article. For the Jerusalem District where no nation is named by UNESCO they added an Israeli flag.
* - they vandalized the infobox by adding Israel to the end of "location = Bethlehem, West Bank, State of Palestine|Palestine" and creating a ludicrous piped link "country = State of Palestine|Israel by replacing Palestine with Israel.
* - they again changed Palestine to Israel
* - they removed Palestine with the edit summary "no citation" but left Okinawa, Hawaii, Israel, northern Australia and southern China and the Citation needed template.
* - they do not follow the guidelines regarding the legality of settlements which they may not be aware of but they do add "This doesn't apply to Karmei Tzur as the government neither deported nor transferred anyone there. All the Jews are there of their own free will."
* - they replaced "in the ], ]" with "in Israel's territories"


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#Not warned and looking at the edits I would expect a warning to make no difference at all.


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Pretty obvious case of EC gaming. Account created on Nov 17, 2024, then about 500 mostly minor edits followed by the first substantial edit ever was the creation of on Dec 17 (subsequently moved to draftspace).''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 08:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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Given that ] says "Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the ], satisfy any ], or follow any ]" something needs to happen to this editor and/or to the articles they are editing to make sure the IP can't continue to disrupt them and I'm not thinking of a warning. I think the topic area would be much better served if editors like this, who clearly don't belong in the topic area, were just blocked on sight under the sanctions. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 18:06, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


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@Ankh, "opportunistic behavior" ? I don't benefit in any way by this editor being blocked nor do I suffer in any way by their presence. It's not about me. It's about the project. I have no intention of collaborating with this IP. Someone can try to re-educate them but it won't be me because I don't believe it's possible given the nature of the edits. Also, please don't disrupt this AE or follow me to the ] to insert material when I'm trying very hard to make sure that article absolutely complies with policy by going through it sentence by sentence and source by source. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 19:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Also Ankh, regarding your "and his general 'collaborative behaviour' should be considered" comment. You != general. You are another editor I won't collaborate with. That's my choice. In fact you are the only editor in over 5 years of editing that I've banned from my talk page, which is rather significant given that I'm happy to tolerate all sorts of bigoted attacks and threats of violence from some of the lunatics that occasionally drop by to tell me things that are apparently important. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 19:53, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I see that Ankh is planning to continue to troll here and hound me by following me to the ] article so my work on that article is now terminated. It's not worth the trouble. I have also removed this report from my watchlist and trust the admins to deal with the IP is any way they see fit. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 21:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
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===Discussion concerning 99.237.115.11=== ===Discussion concerning LaylaCares===
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====Statement by 99.237.115.11==== ====Statement by LaylaCares====


====Statement by Aquillion====
====Comments by others about the request concerning 99.237.115.11====
Question: Assuming it's determined that they gamed the extended-confirmed restriction, would the page they created be ]-able? I've asked the relevant question in more detail ], since it is likely to come up again as long as we have such a broad restriction on effect, but I figured it was worth mentioning the issue here as well. --] (]) 14:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


===Statement by Dan Murphy===
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Please look at ], written by the account under discussion. It's a hit job, originally placed in mainspace by this account. Anyone who wrote that shouldn't be allowed with 1 million miles of the topic.] (]) 23:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


====Statement by starship.paint====
This is an extraordinary request. Even without examining the nature of the edits some of which appear to be content disputes, the user is quite new to Misplaced Pages and yet the filer of this complaint has ''not seen fit to discuss these edits at all on the user's talk page''. Nor has the complainant seen fit to warn him of his conduct or of the ARPBIA sanctions but has instead rushed headlong to seek Arbitration enforcement to disqualify an editor that has a different standpoint. This opportunistic behavior from an experienced editor is not appropriate and his general should be considered. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']'''.''']'''</small> 18:56, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
I've edited Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations, so Dan Murphy's link is inaccurate for the purposes of this discussion. For the version of Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations with content only written by LaylaCares, . '''] (] / ])''' 10:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


====Statement by (username)====
'''Sean''' - I am glad that you are seeking to improve this article in a proper manner which sharply contrasts with your previous editing of this article where you inexplicably the unreliable views and to the article. I have edited this article and its talk page before your involvement and your omission of your previous undoing of my work and claim of hounding are disingenuous.


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Since you respond with a faux-naif "opportunistic beaviour?", I shall remind you what you previously said: ''"Oncenawhile and you are both editors who are quite capable of collaborating and improving articles, but for reasons that elude me, you have decided to go from, let's say, civilian (building an encyclopedia according to policy by working with other editors) to combatant (not collaborating and using AE as a weapon instead)."''


===Result concerning LaylaCares===
This seems remarkably pertinent to your own behavior at AE which has previously warranted an administrator warning. As Buddha said, "However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them?"
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*I agree that this looks like EC-gaming. Absent evidence that the edits themselves were problematic, I would either TBAN from ARBPIA or pull the EC flag until the user has made 500 edits that aren't rapidfire possibly LLM-assisted gnomish edits. ] (]) 17:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:There is no content dispute. These issues have all been agreed on by both sides. The editor is just being disruptive over several articles.] (]) 19:26, 1 July 2012 (UTC) *I agree on the gaming piece and would suggest mainspace edits+time for restoration of EC. I will throw out 3 months + 500 (substantive) main space edits. ] (]) 17:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*I agree with Barkeep but I'd up it to 4 months. I don't believe that a TBAN is necessary at this point. ] (]/]) 04:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::And if that was the case, would you not consider it appropriate to inform the editor of this agreement? Since you state that "these issues have all been agreed on by both sides", could you direct me to the mutually agreed resolution pertaining to <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']'''.''']'''</small> 19:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
*@]: I agree that the draft should be G5'd, but will wait for consensus to develop here. ] (]/]) 01:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Oh, really? You mean the ] are a fiction, that the ] is, as our dear disrupter says, under Israeli ]? No one believes that. Every relevant wiki article stipulates why it is untrue. Oh well, there are better things to do, like watch Italy loose the European cup.] (]) 19:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
*:I don't think the wording of ] allows for deletion of a page that was created by an EC user. <small>(ECR also seems to forget that anything other than articles and talkpages exists, but I think the most reasonable reading of provision A still allows for G5ing drafts at admins' discretion if the criteria are met.)</small> That said, a consensus at AE can delete a page as a "reasonable measure that necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project". Deleting under that provision is not something to be done lightly, but I think for a case where a page's existence violates the spirit of an ArbCom restriction but not the letter, it'd be a fair time to do it. And/or this could make for a good ARCA question, probably after PIA5 wraps. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 03:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

*I would just pull EC and require the editor to apply via AE appeal for its restoration. They should be very clearly aware that receiving such restoration will require both substantial time and making ''real'', substantive edits outside the area, as well as an understanding of what is expected of editors working in a CTOP area. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 01:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Comment by Zero0000'''. IP is almost certainly the same as continual POV pusher 99.237.236.218. Forget arb, just block it. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 23:48, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
*I see a clear consensus here to remove the EC flag. For clarity, when I proposed a TBAN above it was because removing this flag ''is'' an ARBPIA TBAN as long as the ECR remedy remains in place; it's simply a question of whether the editor get the other privileges of EC or not. I don't see a consensus on what to do with the draft, but given that other editors have now made substantive contributions to it, I don't believe it's a good use of AE time to discuss the hypothetical further. ] (]) 17:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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*Thanks, Zero. This is obviously the same person as {{IP|99.237.236.218}}, who has already been warned under ARBPIA back in February. Edits like are plainly disruptive and incompatible with continued editing in this area. Blocked for 2 weeks, proposing 3 month topic ban. ] (]) 06:39, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
**Also, has there been other IPs in this range? Is a range block needed? ] (]) 06:47, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
::*From the range 99.236.0.0/16, the only other IP with similar behavior is ], but he has only two edits. I recommend against a rangeblock unless he evades the block. Here are the for the /16. ] (]) 12:35, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
::**This is actually part of a /11 for end users of a major Canadian ISP that has a great deal of editors on it; a rangeblock of only part of this (/16 is only 1/32 of the entire range) is certainly futile and would have disastrous collateral. &mdash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 23:38, 4 July 2012 (UTC)


== Ottomanist == ==AstroGuy0==
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(Even though this isn't the usual R&I fare, I consider the intersection of "Race/ethnicity and sex offending", to come under "the intersection of '''race/ethnicity''' and human abilities '''and behaviour'''")


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# Asserts that "A majority of the perpetrators were Pakistani men" despite the cited source (freely accessible at ) does not mention the word "Pakistani" or any variant once.
# Tendentious editing and edit-warring
# Describes the sex offender ring as "Pakistani" in the opening sentence when the cited source in the body says that they were only "mainly Pakistani"
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Ottomanist, formerly known as {{userlinks|Interestedinfairness}} is a returning user that has been particularly disruptive of late. In his previous incarnation, he had racked up 3 blocks in less than two months as well as a topic ban on ] for aggressive behavior and edi-warring . His talkpage was a graveyard of blocks, warnings, conflict, and aggressive incivility on his part . It's been pretty much the same since his return. He was recently blocked after a particularly nasty bout of disruptive behavior on ] and making comments such as these . Since then, nothing's changed. In ], he has been slow-revert warring incessantly since June 23rd , either removing this map or adding this one , and shows no sign of stopping. In the talkpage,he keeps admonishing other users that they are disruptive . In a discussion in ], after what seemed like a promising start, things take a very nasty turn after I criticize one of the sources he used , and all of a sudden it's all about the "so-called Greek nation" and how "some editors" have "issues" . It is clear that "some editors" means me, and that this is nothing more an attempt to get under my skin. Greece and the Greek people have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. He makes no attempt to rebut my criticism of ], he just makes things personal. Several days later, he makes a particularly tendentious edit at ] , and proceeds to edit-war over it, getting more and more agitated with each revert . This in spite of the fact that he has been reverted by several different users and has been told by them on the talkpage that his edits are problematic . Instead of changing tack, he assumes a conspiracy against him , while at the same time admonishing other to assume good faith . He just repeats over and over that his edits are sourced, but I actually meticulously checked the sources (and I invite everyone else to do likewise, they are available online) and they say ''nothing'' of the kind. Similarly in ] he makes a tendentious edit and then reverts back to it while admonishing others to reach a talkpage consensus first . Lastly, he has a real annoying habit of canvassing user he thinks share his POV (the last one minutes after his latest revert on ]). To summarize, based on past and current behavior, it is my distinct impression that this user is ], rather he is here to push a particular POV, as his username implies, ] and ]. Given the persistence and severity of the disruption he causes, I am firmly convinced that nothing short of an indef topic ban from ARBMAC topics, broadly construed, will put a halt to it.


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Ι am disappointed, if not altogether surprised that Ottomanist's first action upon being notified of this report is yet more canvassing to users he considers "friendly". That, and combative accusations about my "sordid" past, consisting of a single diff he dug up from ''2007''.
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This new user seems intent on POVPUSHING regarding "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" and making contentious claims that are not backed up by sources. ] (]) 03:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
====Statement by Ottomanist====
User: Athenean needs to consider his own past when bringing up others' :


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see here for only a taste of the many instances of him being banned: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:ARBMAC#Final_decision for disrupting Albanian and Balkan-related articles.
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====Statement by AstroGuy0====
:Athenean (talk · contribs) placed on 1RR revert parole. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 18:33, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


====Statement by Iskandar323====
:Banned from editing articles related to the Balkans, broadly construed, for a period of six months. The WordsmithCommunicate 18:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
This rather dated "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" malarkey from the UK has recently been pushed on social media by a certain US tech billionaire and is now recirculating in right-wing social media and the blogosphere, partly in connection with UK politics, so this trend could flare before it dims. ] (]) 03:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


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:Cautioned that future disruption may result in a topic ban, per AE thread. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
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===Result concerning AstroGuy0===
'''He has also very publicly made calls for Greek users to come together and 'defend (Greek) heritage''''
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Athenean is a specialist in reporting people that contribute using '''proper sources''', and he'll make sure to revert them '''because of ].'''
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:The second diff was before AG0 received a CTOP alert. I've alerted AG0 to other CTOPs that they've edited in, and I am going to warn them for their conduct in diff #1 without prejudice to other admins determining that further action is warranted. ] (]/]) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
This encyclopaedia must be kept up-to-date with scholarly pursuits: it is not a place to give nationalists a place to present their credentials.
:I also looked at the source, and it indeed does not in any way support the claim made; it does not mention "Pakistani" even once. This is a fairly new editor, but I think we need to make it very clear to them that misrepresentation of sources is not something we will tolerate. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 04:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

::Given that AstroGuy0 has already been issued a warning, I don't think anything further is necessary, and will close as such unless any uninvolved admin shortly objects. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 18:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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* '''Comment by Evlekis'''

No doubt disruptive but not beyond help. He has introduced sources onto the articles and these can sit harmlessly as external links or even in the main space but the problems we have encountered have been the edited statements for which the sources have been provided, often they simply do not support each other. I believe the solution is more tactful editing: for example, when denying that modern Greeks are descended from ancient Greeks, it is blatantly controversial. Instead, the source could have been used with a supporting statement such as how over the years people have assimilated and others have gone the other way, or something to that effect. He believes in discussion but could earn far more respect if he were to state his proposals first rather than attack the article with his first move and then create conflict. ] ('''Евлекис''') (]) 22:16, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

* '''Comment by WhiteWriter'''
Well, i would agree with this. As ARBMAC tell us, one "man on mission" can create a lot of problems. I noticed very one-sided edits, and i also remember Interestedinfairness, his edit warrings, POVs and his . Clear start? Not, if you ask me... --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]<sup>]</sup></span> 13:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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==Lemabeta==
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# - Made a draft on a European ethnic group, which they are currently barred from doing.
# Replaces "a huge volume of" with "a number of" stating, ''"Removed POV wording."'' states " Hyams’s call was echoed by a huge volume of Twitter users"
# - Started a page on a Georgian ethnologist.
# Again replaces "a huge volume of" with "a number of" stating, ''"I can not find any source here that refers to huge volume"'' states " Hyams’s call was echoed by a huge volume of Twitter users"
# Again edits this sentence and falsely attributes the "a huge volume of..." claim to Hyams misrepresenting the source which states nothing of the kind
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Dalai Lama Ding Dong has been repeatedly warned and for a 1rr violation and for violating a topic ban three times. What exacerbates the issue is that these edits constitute further source misrepresentation which is all too familiar. DLDD was explicitly by The Blade of the Northern Lights after ], ''"he is advised to be cautious editing in the topic area and to be especially conscious of properly representing sources. He is further advised that infractions in the future will most likely lead to stiffer sanctions."'' Please view ] for background.




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I likely filed this improperly, but to sum it up they continue to make pages in a scope they were banned from. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 20:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:On the bullet point, I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Not sure if I’m allowed to reply here) I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:: <small>Response to Bishonen. Moved from results section. ] (]/]) 21:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
::(RES to Bishonen) That's fair. When starting the AE, it only gave me nine options, none of which seemed to fit right. The third bullet ("Previously given a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction or warned for conduct in the area of conflict on DIFF by _____") didn't seem to fit, as the sanction wasn't for verbal conduct. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 22:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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Yeah, my bad. Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed" I recognize my mistake. --] (]) 20:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


:Ethnographic groups and cultural heritage are '''related but distinct concepts'''. An ''ethnographic group'' refers to a '''community of people''' defined by shared ancestry, language, traditions, and cultural identity. In contrast, ''cultural heritage'' refers to the *''practices, artifacts, knowledge, and traditions preserved or inherited from the past''. But cultural heritage is indeed a component of ethnographic groups.
Note that I requested that the source be identified for the phrase 'huge volume' here http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Media_coverage_of_the_Arab–Israeli_conflict&diff=500539763&oldid=500227371 I also directed attention to the talk page here whttp://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Media_coverage_of_the_Arab–Israeli_conflict#Tweet_about_IDF_airstrike where i stated that
:So i don't believe ethnographic group should be considered as either history of the Caucasus or cultural heritage. ] (]) 20:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::In my opinion, cultural heritage (both tangible and intangible) '''emerges from''' ethnographic groups but '''does not define the group itself'''. ] (]) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I think ethnographic groups fall under the category of Ethnography, or even socio-cultural antropology but for sure not cultural heritage. ] (]) 21:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I understand, i already apologized on my talk page for this accident. I will not repeat this mistake again. ] (]) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


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I can not find any reference to a huge volume of twitter users in the present sources, despite a claim that it is there, so please produce the RS here that states that before restoring those words.
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Also note my re wording, only the JP says that the tweeter falsely claimed that the girl was killed in an IDF airstrike the night before. The rest do not say that she falsely made that claim, only that the claim was made. Ie only one source states the word falsely in relation to the date. The reference to the claim about the date appears to relate to the caption to the photo. There is NO reference to a date in the tweet. Unless someone can provide an RS that states that she captioned the photo, and did not use an incorrect Reuters caption, then this claim can not be allowed to stand due to BLP.Dalai lama ding dong (talk) 19:59, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


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There s therefore no misrepresentation here.

I then went to attribute the words huge volume, and mistakenly attributed them to the individual, and not to the Jerusalem Post. I acknowledged that here. http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Jiujitsuguy#Media_coverage_IP_conflict_tweet_section.

see here http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:1948_Arab–Israeli_War

For the Lebanon issue, where I am only one of many who has reverted the staus of Lebanon as a combatant nation. Have these others also been included in the mis representation claim? See eg this http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=1948_Arab–Israeli_War&diff=next&oldid=500516932

Here is the page where i reverted
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=1948_Arab–Israeli_War&diff=next&oldid=500661873

It can be seen that one of the sources Oren is still there. Since i reverted, i returned the page to what had been There before, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=1948_Arab–Israeli_War&diff=prev&oldid=500516932 Therefore the Oren source was already there, snd if it is misrepresentation, then it wa not me who put the Oren source against it.

Most of my work consists of correcting and challenging incorrect claims which do not match the sources, as can be seen from my work. It took me a long time to understand ho wikipedia works, and i now attempt to follow the rules in all cases.] (]) 21:31, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Much of my work would be a lot easier if quotes such as 'huge volume' were attributed. Why was it not stated that it was from the JP? Why was it not in quote marks. This makes searching for the source so much easier.

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I was going to file against DLDD myself but on another matter entirely. In he disregarded four sources and actually removed three with the following explanation ''"as per talk"''. DLDD has not made a comment at Talk since and it had nothing to do with the instant edit. DLDD however retained ] as a source which is fine but then he placed Lebanon in the "volunteer and irregulars" column. The problem is that Oren classified Lebanon as a combatant nation, not merely "volunteers and irregulars." Thus, not only has DLDD engaged in tendentious editing by disregarding four reliable sources and inexplicably removing three, he actually misrepresented ]’s view and since Oren is a living person, he has not only engaged in source distortion but has misrepresented the views of a living person.--] (]) 20:20, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

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Besides using the phrase, "a huge volume of Twitter users," as though Twitter traffic is measured in gallons or litres of Tweeters, there are a number of shortcomings in the ''Jerusalem Post'' article which make it a bit non-ideal as a source. It fails to mention that the image, as originally released by Reuters, saying that the girl had been killed in an Israeli airstrike. Reuters corrected the error a day later. Though unexplained, that is what the article means by "outdated". Also, the article fails to mention that ''Honest Reporting'' to have Badawi sacked, collecting signatures and encouraging readers to to their article, which is probably the source of the "huge volume of Twitter users" referred to. <span style="font-family: Perpetua, serif; font-size:120%">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;←&nbsp;&nbsp;]&nbsp;&nbsp;</span> 21:49, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

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Here DLDD replaces a dead link with "citation needed," saying Maybe he looked in the kitchen; It took me less than five seconds to search for the article title; the link to the Jerusalem Post was the first result.

In this edit () he reverts "huge volume" to "number," denying the source supports it. Of course, "huge volume" is a direct quote from the source. After this is pointed out, he changes it again,(), but it isn't proper attribution, it's mis-attribution, unsupported by the source that he must have just read.

Unfortunately a good part of DLDD's work here consists of challenging ''correct'' claims which ''do'' match the source, then changing them so they no longer match the source. It's become impossible to take DLDD's word for anything. Every edit he makes must be carefully checked. ] <sup>]</sup> 11:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Arbitration enforcement action appeal by TheShadowCrow ==

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; Appealing user : {{userlinks|TheShadowCrow}} – ] (]) 02:38, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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===Statement by TheShadowCrow===

The guy who said this is my first real warning was right. Before, with the incident involving Cooper, the issue was repeaded editing. And what we were editing over had NOTHING TO DO WITH AA. This time it was about expressing opinion in edit summarys. No one ever really told me I shouldn't do that, they just linked a page to rules without explaining which one I was breaking. Six months is unfairly wrong and I'd like it to be much shorter or none at all, which would make sense because three days is plenty for a first offense.

The only problem I see was I voiced my opinion in the summary. Besides that, there was nothing wrong with my edit. It was actually an older edit, but after some time azeris began to put speculation (or more acctuaratly, denial) that the chess player said anything racist. They imply he was wrongly quoted but there's no proof to that anywhere. Grandmaster even told me in a previous debate that we have to go with the reference even if have have reason to believe it's wrong. So no, I don't see any problem.

This was the first offense I have had on a AA page and to ban me for six months over it is completely zealous.

Cenk Ugyar is a biased Turkish-American talk show host. He is neither Armenian nor Azeri and doesn't talk about AA issues on his corrupt show. So the only other reason I could be banned from AA is for violating BLP, but that seems pretty shallow seeing as how there was nothing wrong with my actual edit.

Me and Grandmaster have debated over AA issue before and we did so peacfully, so I have also shown I am capable of using the talk page and not resorting to edit wars on AA subjects.

I admit I was wrong to put opinion in the summary. But I feel that the three day ban I recieved for that was sufficent punishment. Banning me from AA articles doesn't solve anything. If I had vandalized several of their pages, that would be a sufficent point. But I never vandalized that actual page of ]. So, just HOW can I be banned for six months from something I have never vandalized the actual page for?

Someone (He has no real name anymore because he has made many different accounts, but his IP is usually 178) in the boxing articles I edit is always swearing at Admins and cussing at fellow editors who disagree with him. He has been banned dozens (yes, dozens) of times for such acts, but never for more than a day or so. If you don't believe me, ask Materialscientist. He has carried out most of this user's bans. If a real vandal can swear at Admins, start seveal edit wars and put countless slurs in the history tab and only be banned or a few days, where is the justice in me being banned for six months over one history BLP violation, but no actual artical vandalation? --] (]) 02:38, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I would like to point out two false things Cooper and GM said: Cooper claims I was saying I didn't do anything wrong on the Uygur page. If you read my statement you will see that I never said that. Grandmaster doesn't realize he was also a part of the editwarring that took place on Armenians in ]. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to comment here, but I had two point out their false statments somewhere where the uninvolved editors would see.

And I would like to point out once again Uygur has nothing to do with AA, so I don't see how anything I did on his page can contribute to a ban from AA. --] (]) 16:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

===Statement by The Blade of the Northern Lights===
Instead of repeating everything that CT Cooper says below, I'll ask you to read that. I will also say that even on the off-chance those articles aren't covered under ARBAA2, as I and others think they are, TheShadowCrow's edits to them are indicative of someone who doesn't need to be editing in such a contentious area; such editing requires tact, a willingness to collaborate, and an ability to follow basic policies such as those outlined below, none of which are demonstrated. That's why I imposed the topic ban, and I'd encourage other admins to uphold it. ] (]) 15:51, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

===Statement by CT Cooper===

As it stands, I oppose any lifting of the sanctions placed on TheShadowCrow. His comments above in my view demonstrate that he has failed to properly understand how he has violated policy and why he was blocked and sanctions were placed on him. It also shows that the mentality of his attitude to editing Azerbaijan-Armenia articles is that of ], rather than to build a neutral encyclopedia with respect to policies such as ], ], ] and ], and hence disallowing him from editing such articles is appropriate.

In his comments above he has regurgitated several arguments he earlier placed on ], arguing against the sanctions and other actions taken against him. In his comments on my talk page, he has also made some troubling remarks, the worse in my view being his speculation that I was a Turk living in Germany, clearly done in an attempt to discredit the warnings and block he has received from me for violating ] policy. If such behaviour continues, I will arguing that an AA topic ban is too lenient, and that a project wide ban is justified. All interactions between me and TheShadowCrow can be found at these revisions: , . A summary of my response to his arguments is as follows:

* The content he edited on ] (before the topic ban was imposes) was related to ], which in my view falls under "Topics related to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts", particularly as Azerbaijan has had involvement in that controversy. I therefore believe that it is covered, though even if it isn't, such edits are editing round the edges of the topic ban which is frowned upon.
* TheShadowCrow claims above that there "was nothing wrong with my actual edit" to the Cenk Uygur article. I think that statement speaks for itself: , , , . His additions to the talk page were even worse: , .
* TheShadowCrow does not appear to fully understand why his edits to ] were inappropriate either, given that they go beyond the edit summary used - . It was also unacceptable that he inserted a section heading which was not supported by the sources and instead reflected his own opinion, and his statement that he didn't vandalize the page misses the point. His approach to editing this article again suggested an intent to ], rather than to build an encyclopedia.
* Blocks are not intended as a punishment per the ], rather they act as a preventive measure to stop a user making further policy violations, and in the long-term act as a deterrent. I have found the behaviour following the end of the 72 hour ] violation block I placed on the TheShadowCrow to be still far from what one would expect to be sure that this block had been effective.
* TheShadowCrow's past use of the talk page on occasion does not excuse his other behaviour.
* Similar inappropriate edits by others is ].

]<small><span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>&#32;]</small> 12:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

@The Shadow Crow: I have read your statement, and I quote: "So the only other reason I could be banned from AA is for violating BLP, but that seems pretty shallow seeing as how there was nothing wrong with my actual edit." If you weren't talking about the Cenk Uygur article then you should not have placed that comment straight after an attack on Cenk Uygur in the same paragraph. There is nothing in your statement which recognizes that the edits you made to the article and to the talk page were in violation of ] policy, which is what resulted in a warning.

@Grandmaster: Thank you for the link. I think that should settle the issue. ]<small><span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span>&#32;]</small> 17:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

===Statement by Grandmaster===
The question whether the articles like ] fall with the scope of AA topics was discussed here: with regard to the article ]. My understanding of it is that Armenia-Turkey related articles fall within that scope. Also, after edit warring on AA article ] TheShadowCrow was warned by ] not to edit war and engage in discussions at talk. This is clearly something that TheShadowCrow did not do on ] despite the warning (in addition to ] violations in that article). So this is clearly not the first incident in AA topics involving this user. ]] 14:31, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by TheShadowCrow ===

===Result of the appeal by TheShadowCrow===
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*On the matter of the grounds for appeal by TheShadowCrow - the sanctions enacted by ] were in line with both WP:AE policy (supported by a consensus of uninvolved sysops) and are in fact covered by ] and within the remit of that RFAR's remedies: the diffs presented at the above AE thread *DO* fall with ], and the sanction applied is in line with normal ]. <br>Given the fact that there was a clear consensus of uninvolved sysops above, and that the edits, and the sanction, do in fact fall within the RFARs specified I'm '''rejecting''' this appeal. <br>I will note further that TheShadowCrow's clear misunderstanding of ] leave me with the opinion that s/he should cautioned that ] and I suggest s/he carefully read wikipedia's ] to avoid breaching the sanction, as well as re-reading ] in order to get a better grasp of that policy--] <sup>]</sup> 17:07, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
* I don't see Lemabeta mentioned in the case itself, but they're currently under ] from "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed". ] (] • she/her) 20:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:*Just as a final note to TheShadowCrow - your edit to references the ] therefore it has everything to do with ]. I will caution you that misrepresenting yourself and/or others, as well as ] is ] and may result in sanctions--] <sup>]</sup> 17:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
*:To be fair, when you click above to add a new enforcement request, the template states:<br><nowiki>;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: ]</nowiki><br><nowiki><!--- Link to the sanction or remedy that you ask to be enforced ---></nowiki> ] (]/]) 20:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{tq| Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed"}} @]: what did you think "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage" meant? I think it's pretty obvious that that an article on an ethnic group from the Caucasus and about an ethnologist who writes about that region is covered by your topic ban. ] (]/]) 20:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Note that I've deleted ] as a clear G5 violation. I think ] is a bit more of a questionable G5. ] (]/]) 20:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Your definition of "ethnographic group" includes the phrases "shared ancestry" (i.e., history), and "shared&nbsp;... traditions" and "shared&nbsp;... cultural identity" (i.e., cultural heritage). Your attempt to exclude "ethnographic group" from either of the two categories in your topic ban is entirely unpersuasive, particularly since your topic ban is to be "broadly construed". ] (]/]) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: this doesn't seem like a mistake to me, but I'm okay with a logged warning here. ] (]/]) 21:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: This is about violating the TBAN. Per my response to leek, I think the issue is with the AE request template, which is a bit unclear. ] (]/]) 22:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: I don't think a block is needed here, but the next violation, definitely. ] (]/]) 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: They were "reviously given&nbsp;... contentious topic restriction", the topic ban at issue. ] (]/]) 22:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{re|Lemabeta}} Not every single thing you could write about an ethnic group would fall under cultural history, but that's not really relevant on the Rachvelians page, where the History section was entirely about their cultural history, even containing the words {{tqq| highlighting their ethnographic and cultural identity}}. There's a reason we use the words "]" on most TBANs, and a reason we encourage people to act like they're TBANned from a broader area than they are. (Consider: Would you feel safe driving under a bridge where clearance is exactly the same height as your vehicle? Or would you need a few inches' gap to feel safe doing it?){{pb}}This does seem like a good-faith misunderstanding, so if you will commit to not making it again in the future, I think this can be closed with a clarification/warning. But that's an important "if". If you want to argue semantics, then the message that sends to admins is that you don't intend to comply with the TBAN, in which case the next step would be a siteblock. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 21:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{u|EF5}}, I don't understand your {{tq|"Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above"}} statement, can you please explain what it refers to? ]? Lemabeta's block log is blank.
:That said, I'm unimpressed by Lemabeta's lawyerly distinctions above, and also by ]. I'll AGF that they ''were'' accidental, but OTOH, they surely ''ought'' to have taken enough care to realize they were violations; compare Voorts' examples. I suggest a block, not sure of what length. A couple of weeks? ] &#124; ] 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
::{{u|EF5}}, OK, I see. Blocks and bans are ], and the block log only logs blocks. ] &#124; ] 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

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    PerspicazHistorian is blocked indefinitely from mainspace. Seraphimblade 03:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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    NXcrypto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
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    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 17:57, 18 December 2024 - removed "discrimination" sidebar from the page of Hindutva (fascist ideology) even though the sidebar was inserted inside a section, not even the lead.
    2. 17:59, 18 December 2024 - tag bombed the highly vetted Hindutva article without any discussion or reason
    3. 10:15, 18 December 2024 - attributing castes to people withhout any sources
    4. 12:11, 18 December 2024 - edit warring to impose the above edits after getting reverted
    5. 17:09, 18 December 2024 - just like above, but this time he also added unreliable sources
    6. 18:29, 18 December 2024 - still edit warring and using edit summaries instead of talk page for conversation
    7. 14:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC) - filed an outrageous report on WP:ANI without notifying any editors. This report was closed by Bbb23 as "This is nothing but a malplaced, frivolous personal attack by the OP."
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    • Already 2 blocks in last 4 months for edit warring.
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    I do not see any positive signs that this editor will ever improve. So far he has only regressed. Nxcrypto Message 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    While going through this report, PerspicazHistorian has made another highly problematic edit here by edit warring and misrepresenting the sources to label the organisation as "terrorist". This primary source only provides a list of organisations termed by the Indian government as "terrorist" contrary to MOS:TERRORIST. Nxcrypto Message 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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    Statement by PerspicazHistorian

    • By far I am also concerned how my edits were forcefully reverted without a proper reason despite providing enough references. Please check how I am getting attacked by them on Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu Page.

    I didn't know about the three-revert-rule before User: Ratnahastin told me about this: User_talk:PerspicazHistorian. Please grant me one more chance, I will make sure not to edit war.

    • In the below statement by LukeEmily, As a reply I just want to say that I was just making obvious edit on Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu by adding a list of notable people with proper references. And according to Edit_warring#What_edit_warring_is it is clearly said: "Edits from a slanted point of view, general insertion or removal of material, or other good-faith changes are not considered vandalism." It was a good faith edit but others reverted it. I accept my mistake of not raising it on talk page as a part of Misplaced Pages:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle.
    • As a clarification to my edit on Students' Islamic Movement of India, it can be clearly seen that I provided enough reference to prove its a terrorist organisation as seen in this edit. I don't know why is there a discussion to this obvious edit? Admins please correct me if I am wrong.
    @Valereee, Yes I read about 1RR and 0RR revert rules in Misplaced Pages:Edit warring#What edit warring is#Other revert rules. I now understand the importance of raising the topic on talk page whenever a consensus is needed. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 07:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    Yes, I will commit to that. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 13:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC) Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section. Seraphimblade 13:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    At that time I was new to how AFD discussions worked. Later on when Satish R. Devane was marked for deletion, I respected the consensus by not interfering in it. The article was later deleted. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 11:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Hi @Doug Weller , I just checked your user page. You have 16 years (I am 19) of experience on wiki, you must be right about me. I agree that my start on Misplaced Pages has been horrible, but I am learning a lot from you all. I promise that I will do better, get more neutral here and contribute to the platform to my best. Please don't block me.
    P.S.- I don't know If I will be blocked or what , according to this enforcement rules, I just want to personally wish good luck to you for your ongoing cancer treatments, You will surely win this battle of Life. Regards. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 12:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section.Valereee (talk) 15:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    • 1) I just asked an user @Fylindfotberserk if the page move is possible. What's wrong with it? I still have not considered putting a move request on talk page of article.
    2) Many of other sources are not raj era. Moreover I myself have deleted the content way before you pointing this out. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    even @NXcrypto is seen engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics. see1see2 PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    as mentioned by @Valereee before, Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here. You can discuss content related topics on talk pages of articles rather than personally targeting a user here in enforcement. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Valereee I once filed a complaint to find it @NXcrypto is a sock (out of a misunderstanding, as all were teamed up similarly on various pages). I think he felt it as a personal attack by me and filed this request for enforcement. Please interfere. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC) moving to correct section Valereee (talk) 13:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    1)Yes I usually edit on RSS related topics, but to ensure a democratic view is maintained as many socks try to disrupt such articles. Even on Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh page, I just edited on request of talk page and added a graph. I don't think its a POV push.
    2) My main interest in editing is Hinduism and Indian History topics.
    3)There have been certain cases in past where I was blocked but if studied carefully they were result of me edit warring with socks(although, through guidance of various experienced editors and admins I learnt a SPI should be filed first). I have learnt a lot in my journey and there have been nearly zero case of me of edit warring this month.
    Please do not block me. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    • @Valereee I beg apologies for the inconvenience caused, thanks for correcting me. I will now reply in my own statement section. @Bishonen I am a quick learner and professionally competent to edit in this encyclopedic space. Please consider reviewing this enforcement if its an counter-attack on me as mentioned in my previous replies. You all are experienced editors and I have good faith in your decision-making capability.PerspicazHistorian (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    • @Vanamonde93@Bishonen I have edited content marked as "original research" and "mess" by you, I am ready to help removing any content that might be considered "poorly sourced" by the community. Please don't block me.PerspicazHistorian (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    • @Valereee This enforcement started for edit-warring and now I feel its more concerned to my edited content(which I agree to cooperate and change wherever needed). After learning about edit wars, there has been no instance of me edit-warring, Please consider my request.--PerspicazHistorian (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      @Valereee I am not a slow learner, I understand the concerns of all admins here. I will try my best to add only reliable sources, and discuss content in all talk pages, as I already mentioned here. PPicazHist (talk) 12:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      @Valereee@UtherSRG I think admins should focus more on encouraging editors when they do good and correct when mistaken. I have made many edits, added many citations and created much articles which use fine citations. The enforcement started out of retaliation by nxcrypto, now moving towards banning me anyways. I started editing out of passion, and doing it here on wiki unlike those who come here just for pov pushes and disrupt article space(talking about socks and vandalizers on contentious Indian topics).
      The article prasada doesn't only has issue on citations, but the whole article is copypasted from the citations I added. I just wanted to point that out. Remaining about Misplaced Pages:CIR, I am currently pursuing Btech in cs from IIT delhi, idt I am a slow learner by any means. Still, happy new year to all ! PPicazHist (talk) 14:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      @UtherSRG You mean to say, "The prasada is to be consumed by attendees as a holy offering. The offerings may include cooked food, fruits and confectionery sweets. Vegetarian food is usually offered and later distributed to the devotees who are present in the temple. Sometimes this vegetarian offering will exclude prohibited items such as garlic, onion, mushroom, etc. " is not copy pasted by this website? Is this also a wiki mirror website? How would you feel if I doubt your competence now? PPicazHist (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      @ UtherSRG I just asked others to share their opinion in the enforcement. With all due respect, I don't think its wrong in any sense. PPicazHist (talk) 15:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
      To all the admins involved here,
      • I agree to keep learning and apologize if my previous edits/replies have annoyed the admins.
      • I have not edit warred since a month and please see it as my willingness to keep learning and getting better.
      • Please give me a chance, I understand concern of you all and respect your opinion in the matter. But please don't block me from editing from main article space. I promise that I will abide by all the rules and will learn from other editors.
      PPicazHist (talk) 15:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by LukeEmily

    PerspicazHistorian also violated WP:BRD by engaging in an edit war with Ratnahastin who reverted his edits and restored an article to a stable version by admin. Also, I want to assume good faith but it is surprising that PerspicazHistorian claims that he did not know the three revert rule given that he has more than 800 edits.LukeEmily (talk)

    Statement by Doug Weller

    I'm involved so just commenting. I don't think this editor is competent. I had to give them a community sanction caste warning as they were making a mess of castes. See this earlier version of their talk page.]https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:PerspicazHistorian&oldid=1262289249] and User:Deb's comment that "It was very unwise of you to keep moving Draft:Satish R. Devane to article space when it has not passed review. As a direct result of your actions, a deletion discussion is taking place, and when this is complete and the article is deleted, you will be prevented from recreating it. Deb (talk) 14:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)" There have also been copyright issues. I strongly support a topic ban. Doug Weller talk 11:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

    I won't be involved in the decision. No more treatments for me, just coast until... Doug Weller talk 12:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by Toddy1

    This is another editor who appears to have pro-Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) views. I dislike those views, but find it rather alarming that Misplaced Pages should seek to censor those views, but not the views of the political opponents. Imagine the outrage if we sought to topic-ban anyone who expressed pro-Republican views, but allowed Democrat-activists to say whatever they liked.

    A lot of pro-RSS/BJP editors turn out to be sock-puppets, so please can we do a checkuser on this account. And to be even-handed, why not checkuser NXcrypto too.

    If we want to talk about WP:CIR when editors make mistakes, look at the diff given by NXcrypto for "Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested" - it is the wrong diff. He/she did notify PerspicazHistorian - but the correct diff is .

    A topic ban from Indian topics would be unhelpful, unless given to both parties. Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India. Loading the dice against BJP and RSS editors will turn Misplaced Pages into a fringe encyclopaedia on Indian topics.

    I can see a good case for restricting PerspicazHistorian to draft articles and talk pages for a month, and suggesting that he/she seeks advice from more experienced editors. Another solution would be a one-revert rule to last six months.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by Capitals00

    I find the comment from Toddy1 to be entirely outrageous. What are you trying to tell by saying "Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India"? If you want us to entertain those who are in power, then we could never have an article like False or misleading statements by Donald Trump.

    You cannot ask topic ban for both editors without having any evidence of misconduct. Same way, you cannot ask CU on either user only for your own mental relief. It is a high time that you should strike your comment, since you are falsely accusing others that they "seek to censor" this editor due to his "pro-Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) views". You should strike your comment. If you cannot do that, then I am sure WP:BOOMERANG is coming for you. Capitals00 (talk) 15:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by Vanamonde93

    Toddy1: I, too, am baffled by your comment. We don't ban editors based on their POV; but we do ban editors who fail to follow our PAGs, and we certainly don't make excuses for editors who fail to follow our guidelines based on their POV. You seem to be suggesting we cut PH some slack because of their political position, and I find that deeply inappropriate. Among other things, I don't believe they have publicly stated anywhere that they support the BJP or the RSS, and we cannot make assumptions about them.

    That said, the fact that this was still open prompted me to spot-check PH's contributions, and I find a lot to be concerned about. This edit is from 29 December, and appears to be entirely original research; I cannot access all of the sources, but snippet search does not bear out the content added, and the Raj era source for the first sentence certainly does not support the content it was used for. Baji Pasalkar, entirely authored by PH, is full of puffery ("first to sacrifice his life for the cause of Swarajya", and poor sources (like this blog, and this book, whose blurb I leave you to judge), from which most of the article appears to be drawn. Appa (title), also entirely authored by PH, has original research in its very first sentence; the sources that I can access give passing mention to people whose names include the suffix "appa", and thus could perhaps be examples of usage, but the sources most certainly do not bear out the claim.

    I will note in fairness that I cannot access all the sources for the content I checked. But after spotchecking a dozen examples I have yet to find content PH wrote that was borne out by a reliable source, so I believe skepticism is justified. We are in territory where other editors may need to spend days cleaning up some of this writing. Bishonen If we're in CIR territory, just a normal indefinite block seems cleanest, surely? Or were you hoping that PH would help clean up their mess, perhaps by providing quotes from sources? That could be a pathway to contributing productively, but I'm not holding my breath. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Thanks Bish: I agree, as my exchanges with PH today, in response to my first post here, have not inspired confidence. . Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by UtherSRG

    I've mostly dealt with PH around Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ankur Warikoo (2nd nomination). They do not seem to have the ability to read and understand our policies and processes. As such, a t-ban is too weak. The minimum I would support is a p-block as suggested below, though a full indef is also acceptable. They could then ask for the standard offer when they can demonstrate they no longer have WP:CIR issues. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    Based on these two edits, I'm more strongly leaning towards indef. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    They now indicate they believe the article they edited was copied from one of the websites they used as a reference, when in reality the website is a mirror/scrape of the Misplaced Pages article. I believe we are firmly in WP:CIR territory here. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    This is a mirror of the Misplaced Pages article. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

    Result concerning PerspicazHistorian

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    PerspicazHistorian, can you explain your understanding of WP:edit warring and the WP:3RR rule? I'd like you to read thoroughly enough to also explain wny someone may be edit warring even if they aren't breaking 3RR. Valereee (talk) 21:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    @PerspicazHistorian, that explanation of edit warring is a bit wanting. An edit war is when two or more editors revert content additions/removals repeatedly. Even a second reversion by the same editor can be considered edit warring. Best practice -- and what I highly recommend, especially for any inexperienced editor -- is the first time someone reverts an edit of yours, go to the talk page, open a section, ping the editor who reverted you, and discuss. Do you think you can commit to that?
    Re: your question on why your "obvious edit" was reverted: we don't deal with content issues here, only with behavior issues, but from a very quick look, the source is 50 years old, and using a list headed "TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS LISTED IN THE FIRST SCHEDULE OF THE UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES (PREVENTION) ACT, 1967" that includes a certain organization as a source that the organization should be described as a terrorist organization is WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH; in their revert NXcrypto provided an edit summary of "Not a reliable source for such a contentious label. See WP:LABEL." Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here. Valereee (talk) 11:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    I'm seeing this as a CIR issue. I'd like input from other admins, if possible. I'm a little concerned that setting a tban from IPA is just setting a trap. Maybe a p-block from article space would be a kinder way to allow them to gain some experience? Valereee (talk) 13:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    @PerspicazHistorian, have you seen how many times I or others have had to move your comments to your own section? This is an example of not having enough experience to edit productively. Please do not post in anyone else's section again. Valereee (talk) 16:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    I do agree we're in CIR territory, and the concerns expressed are completely valid. I don't think this editor is ill-intentioned. They just don't seem very motivated to learn quickly. Well-intentioned-but-a-slow-learner is something that can only be fixed by actually practicing what you're bad at. I'd prefer an indef from article space which gives them one more chance to learn here before we send them off to mr.wiki or Simple English to try to learn. Not a hill I'm going to die on, though. Valereee (talk) 11:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    @PerspicazHistorian, like Uther I have major concerns about the edit you made yesterday, which included replacing a citation needed tag with these sources. The first is a company that markets astrology services. The second is the site for a religious sect. Neither is a reliable source for explaining the concept of prasada in Wikivoice. You made this edit yesterday, after you'd confirmed here and on my talk that you understood sourcing policy.
    The reason for an indef from article space is to allow you to learn this policy: You would go into article talk and suggest sources to fix citation needed tags. Another editor would have to agree with you that the sources are reliable before they'd add them. Valereee (talk) 12:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    • A tban from IPA for PerspicazHistorian would be a relief to many editors trying to keep this difficult area in reasonable shape. However, Valereee makes a good point about 'setting a trap': it's doubtful that PH would be able to keep to a tban even if they tried in good faith. I would therefore support a p-block from article space. Bishonen | tålk 16:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
      Vanamonde93, no, I don't really think PH can usefully help clean up their mess; I was following Valereee, who has been going into this in some depth, in attempting to keep some way of editing Misplaced Pages open for PH. It's a bit of a counsel of desperation, though; there is very little daylight between an indef and a p-block from article space. Yes, we are in CIR territory; just look at PH's recent supposed evidence on this page for NXcrypto being "engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics": one diff of an opponent complaining on NXcrypto's page, and one diff of somebody reverting NXcrypto. What do those actually prove? That NXcrypto has opponents (big surprise). So, yes, as you suggest, I'll support an indef as well. Bishonen | tålk 20:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
    • Is there a length of time proposed for the p-ban or would it be indefinite? Barkeep49 (talk) 17:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
      I would say indefinite; not infinite, but I'd be wary about letting them back into articlespace without some kind of preclearance. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • It looks to me like there is a consensus for an indefinite partial block for PerspicazHistorian from article space. Unless any uninvolved admin objects within a day or so, I will close as such. Seraphimblade 06:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
      Given PH's recent slew of requests on multiple admin talk pages, yes, please do. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    References

    1. "Significance of Different Type of Prasad in Hinduism For God". GaneshaSpeaks. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
    2. "What Is Prashad". Shree Swaminarayan Mandir Bhuj. Retrieved 2024-12-30.

    LaylaCares

    There is consensus to remove LaylaCares's EC flag. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Vice regent (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ARBPIA
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    1. 13:54, December 17, 2024 EC gaming


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    Pretty obvious case of EC gaming. Account created on Nov 17, 2024, then about 500 mostly minor edits followed by the first substantial edit ever was the creation of this article on Dec 17 (subsequently moved to draftspace).VR (Please ping on reply) 08:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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    Statement by LaylaCares

    Statement by Aquillion

    Question: Assuming it's determined that they gamed the extended-confirmed restriction, would the page they created be WP:G5-able? I've asked the relevant question in more detail on the CSD talk page, since it is likely to come up again as long as we have such a broad restriction on effect, but I figured it was worth mentioning the issue here as well. --Aquillion (talk) 14:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by Dan Murphy

    Please look at Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations, written by the account under discussion. It's a hit job, originally placed in mainspace by this account. Anyone who wrote that shouldn't be allowed with 1 million miles of the topic.Dan Murphy (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by starship.paint

    I've edited Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations, so Dan Murphy's link is inaccurate for the purposes of this discussion. For the version of Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations with content only written by LaylaCares, click this link. starship.paint (talk / cont) 10:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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    Result concerning LaylaCares

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    • I agree that this looks like EC-gaming. Absent evidence that the edits themselves were problematic, I would either TBAN from ARBPIA or pull the EC flag until the user has made 500 edits that aren't rapidfire possibly LLM-assisted gnomish edits. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I agree on the gaming piece and would suggest mainspace edits+time for restoration of EC. I will throw out 3 months + 500 (substantive) main space edits. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I agree with Barkeep but I'd up it to 4 months. I don't believe that a TBAN is necessary at this point. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    • @Aquillion: I agree that the draft should be G5'd, but will wait for consensus to develop here. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      I don't think the wording of WP:ECR allows for deletion of a page that was created by an EC user. (ECR also seems to forget that anything other than articles and talkpages exists, but I think the most reasonable reading of provision A still allows for G5ing drafts at admins' discretion if the criteria are met.) That said, a consensus at AE can delete a page as a "reasonable measure that necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project". Deleting under that provision is not something to be done lightly, but I think for a case where a page's existence violates the spirit of an ArbCom restriction but not the letter, it'd be a fair time to do it. And/or this could make for a good ARCA question, probably after PIA5 wraps. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 03:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I would just pull EC and require the editor to apply via AE appeal for its restoration. They should be very clearly aware that receiving such restoration will require both substantial time and making real, substantive edits outside the area, as well as an understanding of what is expected of editors working in a CTOP area. Seraphimblade 01:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I see a clear consensus here to remove the EC flag. For clarity, when I proposed a TBAN above it was because removing this flag is an ARBPIA TBAN as long as the ECR remedy remains in place; it's simply a question of whether the editor get the other privileges of EC or not. I don't see a consensus on what to do with the draft, but given that other editors have now made substantive contributions to it, I don't believe it's a good use of AE time to discuss the hypothetical further. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    AstroGuy0

    AstroGuy0 has been issued a warning for source misrepresentation by Voorts. No other reviewers have expressed any wish for further action. Seraphimblade 06:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Hemiauchenia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 03:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Misplaced Pages:Contentious topics/Race and intelligence

    (Even though this isn't the usual R&I fare, I consider the intersection of "Race/ethnicity and sex offending", to come under "the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour")

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 03:19, 4 January 2025 Asserts that "A majority of the perpetrators were Pakistani men" despite the cited source (freely accessible at ) does not mention the word "Pakistani" or any variant once.
    2. 01:40, 4 January 2025 Describes the sex offender ring as "Pakistani" in the opening sentence when the cited source in the body says that they were only "mainly Pakistani"
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    This new user seems intent on POVPUSHING regarding "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" and making contentious claims that are not backed up by sources. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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    Statement by Iskandar323

    This rather dated "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" malarkey from the UK has recently been pushed on social media by a certain US tech billionaire and is now recirculating in right-wing social media and the blogosphere, partly in connection with UK politics, so this trend could flare before it dims. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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    The second diff was before AG0 received a CTOP alert. I've alerted AG0 to other CTOPs that they've edited in, and I am going to warn them for their conduct in diff #1 without prejudice to other admins determining that further action is warranted. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    I also looked at the source, and it indeed does not in any way support the claim made; it does not mention "Pakistani" even once. This is a fairly new editor, but I think we need to make it very clear to them that misrepresentation of sources is not something we will tolerate. Seraphimblade 04:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    Given that AstroGuy0 has already been issued a warning, I don't think anything further is necessary, and will close as such unless any uninvolved admin shortly objects. Seraphimblade 18:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Lemabeta

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    EF5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Final decision
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    1. 5 Jan 2025 - Made a draft on a European ethnic group, which they are currently barred from doing.
    2. 4 Jan 2025 - Started a page on a Georgian ethnologist.


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    I likely filed this improperly, but to sum it up they continue to make pages in a scope they were banned from. EF 20:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    On the bullet point, I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. EF 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    (Not sure if I’m allowed to reply here) I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. EF 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    Response to Bishonen. Moved from results section. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    (RES to Bishonen) That's fair. When starting the AE, it only gave me nine options, none of which seemed to fit right. The third bullet ("Previously given a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction or warned for conduct in the area of conflict on DIFF by _____") didn't seem to fit, as the sanction wasn't for verbal conduct. EF 22:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Statement by Lemabeta

    Yeah, my bad. Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed" I recognize my mistake. --Lemabeta (talk) 20:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    Ethnographic groups and cultural heritage are related but distinct concepts. An ethnographic group refers to a community of people defined by shared ancestry, language, traditions, and cultural identity. In contrast, cultural heritage refers to the *practices, artifacts, knowledge, and traditions preserved or inherited from the past. But cultural heritage is indeed a component of ethnographic groups.
    So i don't believe ethnographic group should be considered as either history of the Caucasus or cultural heritage. Lemabeta (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    In my opinion, cultural heritage (both tangible and intangible) emerges from ethnographic groups but does not define the group itself. Lemabeta (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    I think ethnographic groups fall under the category of Ethnography, or even socio-cultural antropology but for sure not cultural heritage. Lemabeta (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    I understand, i already apologized on my talk page for this accident. I will not repeat this mistake again. Lemabeta (talk) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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    • I don't see Lemabeta mentioned in the case itself, but they're currently under a topic ban imposed by a consensus of AE admins from "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed". theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      To be fair, when you click above to add a new enforcement request, the template states:
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      <!--- Link to the sanction or remedy that you ask to be enforced ---> voorts (talk/contributions) 20:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed" @Lemabeta: what did you think "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage" meant? I think it's pretty obvious that that an article on an ethnic group from the Caucasus and about an ethnologist who writes about that region is covered by your topic ban. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      Note that I've deleted Draft:Rachvelians as a clear G5 violation. I think Mate Albutashvili is a bit more of a questionable G5. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      Your definition of "ethnographic group" includes the phrases "shared ancestry" (i.e., history), and "shared ... traditions" and "shared ... cultural identity" (i.e., cultural heritage). Your attempt to exclude "ethnographic group" from either of the two categories in your topic ban is entirely unpersuasive, particularly since your topic ban is to be "broadly construed". voorts (talk/contributions) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @Tamzin: this doesn't seem like a mistake to me, but I'm okay with a logged warning here. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @Bishonen: This is about violating the TBAN. Per my response to leek, I think the issue is with the AE request template, which is a bit unclear. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @Bishonen: I don't think a block is needed here, but the next violation, definitely. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @EF5: They were "reviously given ... contentious topic restriction", the topic ban at issue. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • @Lemabeta: Not every single thing you could write about an ethnic group would fall under cultural history, but that's not really relevant on the Rachvelians page, where the History section was entirely about their cultural history, even containing the words highlighting their ethnographic and cultural identity. There's a reason we use the words "broadly construed" on most TBANs, and a reason we encourage people to act like they're TBANned from a broader area than they are. (Consider: Would you feel safe driving under a bridge where clearance is exactly the same height as your vehicle? Or would you need a few inches' gap to feel safe doing it?)This does seem like a good-faith misunderstanding, so if you will commit to not making it again in the future, I think this can be closed with a clarification/warning. But that's an important "if". If you want to argue semantics, then the message that sends to admins is that you don't intend to comply with the TBAN, in which case the next step would be a siteblock. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 21:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • EF5, I don't understand your "Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above" statement, can you please explain what it refers to? This T-ban? Lemabeta's block log is blank.
    That said, I'm unimpressed by Lemabeta's lawyerly distinctions above, and also by their apology for "accidental violations". I'll AGF that they were accidental, but OTOH, they surely ought to have taken enough care to realize they were violations; compare Voorts' examples. I suggest a block, not sure of what length. A couple of weeks? Bishonen | tålk 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
    EF5, OK, I see. Blocks and bans are very different, and the block log only logs blocks. Bishonen | tålk 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC).