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	I can't believe there is no talk page for this article. For someone that people think will be the next Republican presidential candidate, there's not much here. I'll go out on a limb and make a prediction here (yes I know WP is ] a crystal ball): Allen-Rice would be a winning ticket for the right, even if HRC does run. Just thought I'd go on record so when it happens, I can have bragging rights. --] <sup><font color="#3D9140">]</font></sup> 21:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
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			== Eliminate the 'Controversies' section ==
	== No military, no presidency ==

			Now that the election is over, I'm hoping I can raise what I believe is a legitimate concern without the typical politicking debates. I don't believe any politician's page should have a separate controversies section. This used to be a common practice, but was stopped on most pages as it is a clear violation of ]. There were wiki projects to do this for presidential candidates, but I guess statewide official pages were ignored. For example, Hillary Clinton and Mike Huckabee had long controversy sections that were eliminated. Please keep in mind that I am absolutely '''''not''''' suggesting to remove something potentially negative, but rather keep it all in a chronological and neutral context rather than in a seperate controversy section. Again, this is a common wiki practice - prior to running for president, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Giuliani, McCain, Fred Thompson, Chris Dodd and many others had controversy sections. ] (]) 04:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
	With the war on terror, Americans will want a strong leader with a military background. When it comes time to pull the lever, Hillary, her lack of international and military experience will make her too weak for voters. George Allen is in the same boat. Gilluiani's pro-choice stance is too liberal for the GOP and the nation is not ready (I am) for a female, black president, with no prior service record (maybe in peace time). That leaves a possible McCain / Kerry show down in 2008 with McCain winning easily.
			:This has apparently been done and I can see other discussions about removing negative content but I wanted to point out that sanitizing a page to have no content that could be considered negative isn't the same as being neutral. I came to this page because I read elsewhere that events on the campaign trail led to George Allen effectively disappearing from politics and I wanted to know more. Seems like a major item in his biography right? The article mentions that he retired after a "controversial" campaign but then the subject is totally dropped. Are we going to remove mentions of Monica Lewinski from Clinton's ariticle? Are we going to remove mentions of Flint from Snyder's? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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	:McCain has done almost everything possible to piss-off the Republican base. He can't get nominated unless he goes ahead and joins the Democrats. All George Allen needs to do is to satisfy the Republican base with his words '''and''' actions, and he's a shoo-in to be the next president.
	--] 13:15, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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	::You are correct, McCain will never get the Republican nomination. And I think the United States ''is'' ready for a female President, even a Black one. The righties already love her, and she would almost for sure pull votes from the Dems solid base of African-Americans and women. And I doubt Kerry will get the Democratic nomination after the beating he (more specifically, his campaign) took last time. Okay... no more of this talk, back to writing articles. --] <sup><font color="#3D9140">]</font></sup> 15:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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	:::Folks, this page isn't to discuss George Allen, it's to discuss the article about him. I agree with Lord Voldemort's comment: "no more of this talk". For general political conversations, please check out ] or ] (those actual websites, not our articles about them). ] 16:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
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	So the fact that he's divorced should be mentioned

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 14:10, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
	--grazon 01:36, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

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	:I added it, but I haven't found the name of his first wife, the date of the marriage, the date of the divorce, or whether there were any children. All I can find is that ''USA Today'' says the divorce occurred "in the early 1980s". We should try to get the full information. ] 03:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

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	== Quotations ==

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 17:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
	There is no need for a quotes section in this article. The one quote provided is neither notable nor truly NPOV. What is the point of the quote? To show he swears? To show he cares about money for Virginia? I just don't get it. Wikiquotes is to be used for random direct quotations. Might I suggest you add this there. --] <sup><font color="#3D9140">]</font></sup> 16:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

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	== did he call the naacp an extermist group+displayed a Confederate flag+a noose at his home? ==

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	Who cares if he did? I don't. I think the NAACP is an extremist group. He's a former governor of the capital state of the Confederacy. Why shouldn't he have a confederate flag? A noose? Funny sense of humor I think.

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	Give me something substantive, like he participated in a lynching and you'll have my attention.
	-dviljoen

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	I was surprised, but I learned earlier in the week that according to a CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll, George Allen is outdoing other conservatives currently in the 2008 race for the GOP nomination. He's at 7%, while Frist is at 6% and Romney is in third. Misplaced Pages, please post this information! -Amit, Feb. 19, 2006

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	Can we get some more on his early life and what his motivations were for getting into politics? He's going to run for President, so we might as well get to know him a little better. ] 23:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
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	:::Did Allen become a fan of "southern" culture or "western"? I don't want to register to read the article, but the talk about Hee Haw and cowboy boots sounds more country/western than just southern. --] 04:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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	::::The fascination with Confederate flags sounds like being a fan "southern culture" to me. ] 04:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 09:09, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
	::::Plus the whole becoming a UVA good old boy thing. ] 04:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

	::::Also, if you don't want to register to read the article, why on earth are you questioning the paraphrase of the article by somebody who did? If you want to see if the paraphrase is accurate, read the article. If you don't want to read the article, then don't make comments about what you think it probably says. ] 04:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

	Well, I'd hoped to get permission to use the yearbook photo from TNR, but I was denied permission to use it without the POV caption. Clearly, we can't use the photo with the caption and adhere to ]. It seems they don't want us to use it without the caption, so I won't upload it under a fair use rationale out of respect for their wishes. It's a shame, it's such a nice little picture . . . - <font color="#013220">]</font>·''<font color="#465945" size="1">]</font>'' 17:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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Eliminate the 'Controversies' section

Now that the election is over, I'm hoping I can raise what I believe is a legitimate concern without the typical politicking debates. I don't believe any politician's page should have a separate controversies section. This used to be a common practice, but was stopped on most pages as it is a clear violation of WP:NPOV. There were wiki projects to do this for presidential candidates, but I guess statewide official pages were ignored. For example, Hillary Clinton and Mike Huckabee had long controversy sections that were eliminated. Please keep in mind that I am absolutely not suggesting to remove something potentially negative, but rather keep it all in a chronological and neutral context rather than in a seperate controversy section. Again, this is a common wiki practice - prior to running for president, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Giuliani, McCain, Fred Thompson, Chris Dodd and many others had controversy sections. MavsFan28 (talk) 04:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

This has apparently been done and I can see other discussions about removing negative content but I wanted to point out that sanitizing a page to have no content that could be considered negative isn't the same as being neutral. I came to this page because I read elsewhere that events on the campaign trail led to George Allen effectively disappearing from politics and I wanted to know more. Seems like a major item in his biography right? The article mentions that he retired after a "controversial" campaign but then the subject is totally dropped. Are we going to remove mentions of Monica Lewinski from Clinton's ariticle? Are we going to remove mentions of Flint from Snyder's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:405:4001:45B0:114C:A590:95F5:F0CE (talk) 02:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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