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In 1970 Rhodesia declared itself a republic. Until then they had been a sort of rebel Dominion, nominally loyal to Queen Elizabeth II but in rebellion against the British government. The UDI ended with the words God Save the Queen.
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Ties were gradually eroded. In 1968 decimal currency was introduced, replacing the Rhodesian pound, formerly at par with the pound sterling.
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In 1969 there was a crisis when the Rhodesian government exercised its sovereignty by executing some black criminals. They has been sentenced to death earlier, while the country was still a colony (and when the death penalty was still the norm). The Queen issued a pardon, but the Rhodesian Front government of Ian Smith went ahead and executed them.
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As a result the British Governor, Sir Vickery Gibbs, left the country. He had been holed up in his official residence, refusing to legitimise the rebel state, but unable to oppose it. The Smith government appointed Clifford Dupont as officer administering the government, the normal title for an acting governor in the absence of a regularly appointed Governor. Gibbs had already granted the Prime Minister authority to declare a state of emergency and rule by decree.
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Also in 1969 most European countries withdrew their consuls from Rhodesia, leaving only Portugal, South Africa and the United States with a diplomatic post.
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The guerilla war increased in the 1970s, especially after 1974 when Portugal began to withdraw from her overseas territories. Rhodesia became the next front-line state and Mugabe's ZANU operated from bases in Mozambique, former Portugese East Africa.
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The Internal Settlement was signed in 1977, with Smith sharing power with Bishop Abel Muzurewa, the Rev. Ndabangi Sithole (the original leader of ZANU) and Chief Jeremiah Cherau. In 1979 this led to the transitional regime of Zimbabwe Rhodesia, in which the white interests were protected with a number of reserved seats in Parliament, and control over the Judiciary and Armed Forces.
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The major black nationalist parties, ZANU and ZAPU, were excluded from this. A number of guerillas who changed sides were promoted from `terrorist' to auxilliaries of Muzerewa and Sithole, until Sithole's forces were eliminated in a power struggle.
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Lord Soames restored British rule as Governor in December 1979, and a Commonwealth Ceasefire Monitoring Group supervised the armed groups before free elections led to black majority rule in April 1980.
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== Unnecessary quotation marks ==
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In lieu of repeatedly rediring and un-rediring this article, let's discuss what this article should be. I think it should be relatively tightly focused on the government and aspects of Zimbabwe connected to the name "Rhodesia", so somewhat narrow and in depth. For instance, to pick a topic near and dear to my heart :-), the postage stamps of Rhodesia would be described here, because they were issued by a different postal administration and have a different character than those of Zimbabwe. The broad-brush continuous narrative of Zimbabwean history is better attached to Zimbabwe however. ] 15:03, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The quotation marks around the Phrases “incompetent insurgents” and "superbly professional government troop's” aren’t need, the PF forces where extremely incompetent and the Security Forces where extremely skilled and beat the PF in every battle during the bush war. To keep these quotation marks in useless. ] (]) 18:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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Well, Rhodesia (including Northern Rhodesia) had underwent several distinct politico-historical stages: from being BSA CO-administred, to self-governing colony (though constituionally, still under the authority of the CO; that is, Colonial Office in contradistinction to the Dominion Office, not 'Company' as in Cecil Rhodes' BSA CO), to terriotries within the Federation (CAF), and finally UDI Rhodesia (including the Republican stage of UDI Rhodesia, as well as the short-lived Internal Settlement Z-R). I believe the focus should be on the history of ] in so far as it includes a 'Rhodesia' (of any form, of any complexion, at any point in time in history). Thanks. ] 17:49, 9 Aug 2004.
:By the nature of insurgency, it is expected that insurgents will lose actual battles against nation-state forces. ] (]) 22:25, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

== Article's Map ==

i hate to nitpick, but shouldn't this article's map show Sudan as a unified state? similarly to ]. ] (]) 17:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

== South Africa in the first paragraph ==

Why is South Africa called "Apartheid South Africa" at the end of the first paragraph as if it was country's official name? Wouldn't it be better to keep it at a neutral "...the other being the Union of South Africa"? ] (]) 17:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
:Agree on the naming front. However, the Union of South Africa came to an end in 1961, so linking to that is also anacrhonistic. Have corrected. ''']''' <sup>] </sup> 18:45, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

== Country area ==

Why is the stated area of Rhodesia 177 km<sup>2</sup> less that the stated area of Zimbabwe? Was there some sort of territory change/gain in 1980? --] (]) 13:47, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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* '''What I think should be changed (format using {{tl|textdiff}})''':
The music file for the anthem "God save the Queen" is named "God save the King.ogg" and the subtitles are also in the masculine form.
* '''Why it should be changed''':
Since the anthem was removed in 1970, the music file with subtitles should match what the title accurately describes.

Additionally, the usage is inconsistent across the three pages "Rhodesia" "Southern Rhodesia" and "Rhodesia (1964-1965)", with two different music files and all subtitles in the masculine form.
I also question (for lack of a better word) the Daseinsberechtigung of the article "Rhodesia (1964-1965)", but that may be due a different discussion.
] (]) 00:35, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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== History Seems Incomplete ==

This article, and the history section in particular, seems to exhibit a particular slant by focusing extensively on the white minority's economic and political history while minimizing broader historical context and the experiences of the black majority. The history section starts relatively late, omitting significant early figures like Cecil Rhodes, and heavily emphasizes the economic activities and political maneuvers of the white population. This selective historical narrative may give an unbalanced view of Rhodesia's history, glossing over the impact of colonialism and the black majority's struggle against racial discrimination and for independence.

I would politely request a review by someone with scholarly credentials and specialization in African history. ] (]) 11:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

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Unnecessary quotation marks

The quotation marks around the Phrases “incompetent insurgents” and "superbly professional government troop's” aren’t need, the PF forces where extremely incompetent and the Security Forces where extremely skilled and beat the PF in every battle during the bush war. To keep these quotation marks in useless. TheChadeditor (talk) 18:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

By the nature of insurgency, it is expected that insurgents will lose actual battles against nation-state forces. ForeverStainedWithAutism (talk) 22:25, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Article's Map

i hate to nitpick, but shouldn't this article's map show Sudan as a unified state? similarly to South West Africa's map. Dawnslayer (talk) 17:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

South Africa in the first paragraph

Why is South Africa called "Apartheid South Africa" at the end of the first paragraph as if it was country's official name? Wouldn't it be better to keep it at a neutral "...the other being the Union of South Africa"? 91.231.66.254 (talk) 17:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Agree on the naming front. However, the Union of South Africa came to an end in 1961, so linking to that is also anacrhonistic. Have corrected. Mangwanani 18:45, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Country area

Why is the stated area of Rhodesia 177 km less that the stated area of Zimbabwe? Was there some sort of territory change/gain in 1980? --24.80.199.58 (talk) 13:47, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

This article isn't protected, so you should be able to edit it yourself. If you are still having problems editing it, please ask for advice at WP:TEAHOUSE.


  • What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

The music file for the anthem "God save the Queen" is named "God save the King.ogg" and the subtitles are also in the masculine form.

  • Why it should be changed:

Since the anthem was removed in 1970, the music file with subtitles should match what the title accurately describes.

Additionally, the usage is inconsistent across the three pages "Rhodesia" "Southern Rhodesia" and "Rhodesia (1964-1965)", with two different music files and all subtitles in the masculine form. I also question (for lack of a better word) the Daseinsberechtigung of the article "Rhodesia (1964-1965)", but that may be due a different discussion. 2A02:8388:1AC6:E580:5905:A23A:8F00:9BA9 (talk) 00:35, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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History Seems Incomplete

This article, and the history section in particular, seems to exhibit a particular slant by focusing extensively on the white minority's economic and political history while minimizing broader historical context and the experiences of the black majority. The history section starts relatively late, omitting significant early figures like Cecil Rhodes, and heavily emphasizes the economic activities and political maneuvers of the white population. This selective historical narrative may give an unbalanced view of Rhodesia's history, glossing over the impact of colonialism and the black majority's struggle against racial discrimination and for independence.

I would politely request a review by someone with scholarly credentials and specialization in African history. 217.180.214.108 (talk) 11:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

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