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hey @] you reverted my changes and removed credible sources from the page, may I ask why?
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the article's lead says it's "sometimes ''Cahercommane"'' which is as I found the page, but I added a source from Clare Libary: https://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/the_burren/cahercommane.htm
Hi! Was it really neccessary to revert all of my edits without any explanation whatsoever? Do you truly believe that all of my edits (including mere grammar corrections) were vandalism or what? I even explained them. In , I just made succession far less confusing (and more correct) to the readers and succession in an infobox is incredibly messy and impossible to understand. Thanks, ] (]) 08:23, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
:Unfortunately, your edits were just plain incorrect. ] ] 11:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
::It sounds as if all of my edits were incorrect, which simply isn't true. It's actually quite sad that you refuse to discuss this and simply dismiss my edits. If you don't care to explain your actions, I'll reinstate those edits of mine which were unquestionably correct (for example removing places of birth and death from lead sentences, which are never included in the lead sentence). I don't understand why you would remove the "royal house" parameter from infoboxes, when it's natural to have one. I also don't understand why you would reinstate claims that William III's sons reigned as Princes of Orange - that is just absurd. I'm sure you know that the Principality of Orange was not a sovereign state back then. Is that what you call "incorrect"? Furthermore, ] is obviously not a portrait of ]. These are just some examples. It seems to me that you just went on to revert all my edits without bothering to see what is it that I changed. ] (]) 15:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


You removed this.
== Charles of Sweden infobox ==


Then the archaeological section is referring to a study from a 1934 excavation without recent developments.
Greetings, The Banner! While I'm not entirely OK with removing all the parameters from the infobox, I do believe that including all is a bit too much. In fact, I was the one who removed them a year ago or so. Do you disagree? ] (]) 16:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
:When you have a better explanation then "confusing", I am willing to listen. ] ] 16:25, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
::I'm afraid you don't know how Misplaced Pages works. I don't need you to listen because I don't need your approval. You cannot just undo an edit because you don't like it. You don't have any explanation whatsoever, so criticizing the quality of my explanations is a bit tacky, don't you think? ] (]) 16:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
:::I am just asking for your arguments, not for an angry reply. ] ] 16:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
::::I apologise if I was too rash. My cookies and internet connection issues have been bothering me, though, but I thought my arguments were clear. Cheers, ] (]) 16:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::You mean that you are identical to the two IP's? ] ] 16:48, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::And if you really want to use as an argument, then you have a few articles to correct along that way... ] ] 16:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I've been unable to remain logged in. For a few days, clicking the Edit button or refreshing the page seemed to have the effect of logging out. "Sorry, we've lost your data and couldn't process your edit" sort of thing. If there's a lot to correct, I sure do hope others will join in, as places of birth and death are nowhere to be found in lead sentences of featured biographical articles. ] (]) 20:07, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


Since then, the historian Gibson (professor of anthropology with a Phd in irish chiefdoms) has written an academic dissertation in 1990 identifying this site as the capital of the chiefdom of ''Tulach Commáin'' ("The Mound of Commán" a once locally revered chief, anglicised to Commane).
== 85.250.126.76 ==


His work is quoted by many scholars, I've added this point again with many sources.
Hi, Thanks for reverting {{user|85.250.126.76}}'s vandalism. In case you're not aware, this person is a long running vandal who adds nonsense to articles on modern militaries (typically, though not always, the militaries of developing countries). Please let me know if you see them again and I'll block the account. Regards, ] (]) 11:34, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
:Hmmm, I did not respond to him as a vandal but just to his habit of adding unsourced information with loads of links to disambiguation pages. But it is good to know that he is just a vandal what makes cleaning up his mess far easier. He is highly visible on the Toolserver-page "Articles With Multiple Dablinks" where he suddenly storms the top places in the list when active again. Thanks for the warning. ] ] 12:18, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


No worries if this was just an oversight—happy to discuss further if needed!
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Thanks for working through that big list. To make it clear when you've completed them, please could you leave an obvious edit summary so it doesn't get accidentally overlooked. Cheers, ] (]) 15:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
] (]) 13:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:I will, I didn't do it yet because I am afraid to annoy him. The big list is embarrassing enough... ] ] 15:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
:Outdated source and poor sources. It looks more like wishful thinking then proper sources. Westropp is only reliable for his drawings but beside that he made a lot of mistakes and misconceptions. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 15:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::In case I wasn't clear, I was meaning when you've finished the entire list rather than each individual item (although edit summaries are always good). ] (]) 23:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
::Yes the information on the current page is outdated as I said it's from a 1934 excavation.
::The links I inserted is the recent research, Gibson also published a book in 2012 on Irish Chiefdoms specifically on this subject. ] (]) 15:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Another source National library of Ireland referred to as Cahercommane
:::: https://catalogue.nli.ie/Collection/vtls000742581/HierarchyTree?recordID=vtls000742581 ] (]) 15:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Monument Name: Cahercommane
::::https://clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/archaeology/CL010-06403-.htm
::::Your objection to adding credible sources to the page and deleting my redirect link is unfounded Sir ] (]) 15:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Too bad that you keep referring to Westropp. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::You don't seem to grasp that names in Ireland are often referred to by different spellings.
::::::Even historically, chiefdoms to quote gibson were known by a multiplicity of names.
::::::I've lived in this area all my life and it's always been referred to this way.
::::::For example, look at this site: https://www.logainm.ie/en/22342 and scroll down to Historical References there's about 20 different spellings if you look at the different years.
::::::If you're not going to allow credible sources on the page then I will have to escalate the issue. ] (]) 15:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Is that a threat? Or a promise that you start a new excavation soon? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 15:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Ow, and read "Burren archaeology : a tour guide" by historian Hugh Carthy. Worth a read. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 16:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Will check it out.
::::::::No threat. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here, so if we can't agree, other opinions will be needed and I will be opening a case. ] (]) 16:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::objecting to my redirect link.... why? ] (]) 16:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::That is clearly stated in the nomination. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 16:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I've just explained why you're mistaken. ] (]) 16:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:https://en.wiktionary.org/commane interesting! dictionary describes ''commane'' an alternative form of ''commaun''
:there is no misconception or mistake—except, perhaps, in your stance. ] (]) 19:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @] check this https://www.logainm.ie/en/35676 1838 there are 13 different spellings for the same spot 🤪 ] (]) 14:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)


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I have reverted your latest edits to the County Cork and Mayo templates. I have also replied to you at the talk pages for the both templates. The confusion seems to arise because you are under the impression (which I believe is sincere) that towns in Ireland have councils, otherwise they are not towns, but that is not true. Most towns in Ireland do not have councils. ] (]) 17:30, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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:::Did you take a look at ]? A census town is just a statistical feature, not a real town... As example: ]. Sorry, but you should know the differences in legal status between a town with town council, a market town and a census town. ] ] 23:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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::Please do, because I am getting highly annoyed by this POV-pushing. ] ] 18:44, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
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Cahercommaun

hey @The Banner you reverted my changes and removed credible sources from the page, may I ask why?

the article's lead says it's "sometimes Cahercommane" which is as I found the page, but I added a source from Clare Libary: https://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/the_burren/cahercommane.htm

You removed this.

Then the archaeological section is referring to a study from a 1934 excavation without recent developments.

Since then, the historian Gibson (professor of anthropology with a Phd in irish chiefdoms) has written an academic dissertation in 1990 identifying this site as the capital of the chiefdom of Tulach Commáin ("The Mound of Commán" a once locally revered chief, anglicised to Commane).

His work is quoted by many scholars, I've added this point again with many sources.

No worries if this was just an oversight—happy to discuss further if needed!

K Kellycrak88 (talk) 13:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Outdated source and poor sources. It looks more like wishful thinking then proper sources. Westropp is only reliable for his drawings but beside that he made a lot of mistakes and misconceptions. The Banner talk 15:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes the information on the current page is outdated as I said it's from a 1934 excavation.
The links I inserted is the recent research, Gibson also published a book in 2012 on Irish Chiefdoms specifically on this subject. Kellycrak88 (talk) 15:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Another source National library of Ireland referred to as Cahercommane
https://catalogue.nli.ie/Collection/vtls000742581/HierarchyTree?recordID=vtls000742581 Kellycrak88 (talk) 15:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Monument Name: Cahercommane
https://clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/archaeology/CL010-06403-.htm
Your objection to adding credible sources to the page and deleting my redirect link is unfounded Sir Kellycrak88 (talk) 15:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Too bad that you keep referring to Westropp. The Banner talk 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
You don't seem to grasp that names in Ireland are often referred to by different spellings.
Even historically, chiefdoms to quote gibson were known by a multiplicity of names.
I've lived in this area all my life and it's always been referred to this way.
For example, look at this site: https://www.logainm.ie/en/22342 and scroll down to Historical References there's about 20 different spellings if you look at the different years.
If you're not going to allow credible sources on the page then I will have to escalate the issue. Kellycrak88 (talk) 15:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Is that a threat? Or a promise that you start a new excavation soon? The Banner talk 15:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Ow, and read "Burren archaeology : a tour guide" by historian Hugh Carthy. Worth a read. The Banner talk 16:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Will check it out.
No threat. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here, so if we can't agree, other opinions will be needed and I will be opening a case. Kellycrak88 (talk) 16:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
objecting to my redirect link.... why? Kellycrak88 (talk) 16:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
That is clearly stated in the nomination. The Banner talk 16:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I've just explained why you're mistaken. Kellycrak88 (talk) 16:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
https://en.wiktionary.org/commane interesting! dictionary describes commane an alternative form of commaun
there is no misconception or mistake—except, perhaps, in your stance. Kellycrak88 (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi @The Banner check this https://www.logainm.ie/en/35676 1838 there are 13 different spellings for the same spot 🤪 Kellycrak88 (talk) 14:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Princess Juliana International Airport#Passenger

Hi, I saw you reverted a reference to nonstop year-round service on United for Washington-Dulles due to non-independent reference. This was taken directly from the airport's official website, so unclear why this is not considered a primary source. Can you elaborate on what should be used instead or why this reference is not acceptable? Looking forward to your response, thank you. PAE2008 (talk) 17:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

The issue is that it is not an independent source. The airport has a clear commercial interest in the connection and so in unsuitable as source, Please take a look at WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT. The Banner talk 18:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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