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| I have just reverted your of {{cl|Actresses}} from {{cl|Actors}}. This follows on your earlier of {{cl|Actresses}} from {{cl|Actors}}, which I also reverted. | |||
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| Per our discussion on my talk, these categories were re-created explicitly to allow discussion at CFD, following a ]. Your redirection without seeking ] at ] was an attempt to undermined the possibility of a CFD discussion as mandated by DRV. I can accept that you may have done this in good faith, whilst unaware of the DRV decision, but your subsequent removal of the actresses from {{cl|Actors}} was done after you were made aware of the DRV. It is in any case a bizarre edit: the first time, you redirect actresses to actors (on the presumption that the two were synonymous), but the second time you removed {{cl|Actresses}} from {{cl|actors}] as if they were nothing to do with each other. Those two actions are incompatible. | |||
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| Please stop this, and start using consensus-forming procedures. --] <small>] • (])</small> 22:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :Your "warning" is ill suited and unwarranted. You have listed diff=522707307&oldid=522700339 twice and I am certain that I only applied the guideline once. The discussion is ''not'' about the creation of actresses as a category, but of the creation of the subcategories as categories, and they were not deleted or redirected. The creation of actresses is not needed for the discussion to pursue. It was another editor that redirected the category. What I did is delete the duplicate category "actor". ] (]) 22:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :You will notice that recreating the category "to allow discussion" has inappropriately led to the addition of a "please populate" template, and the willing addition of what appears to be over 100 edits, instead of waiting for the outcome. ] (]) 22:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| Also, take a look at ]. You will see there that {{cl|Actresses}} is explicitly listed as one of the categories for which deletion was sought, and permission granted for a relisting. | |||
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| If you don't want to list it at CFD, then don't remove it from {{cl|Actors}}. If you genuinely believe for some bizarre reason that an actress is not a type of actor, and actresses should not be categorised under actors, then seek a consensus for that odd view. Good luck in finding the references to support that view. --] <small>] • (])</small> 22:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::That is not a bizarre reason. Actresses are ''not'' actresses, they ''are'' actors, just like firemen or postmen who are women are not firewomen or postwomen, they are firemen and postmen. Just as someone was shocked at the mere idea of a man playing Marilyn Monroe, if someone has to be female to be an actress, then clearly actress is not a subcategory of actor, but is a separate category. (a woman in that view who acts is not an actor, but is only and solely an actress, and actress is ''not'' a subcategory of actor, any more than ''female'' is a subcategory of ''male'', to make it more obvious) ] (]) 23:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Please stop being silly. | |||
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| :::You say that an actress is an actor ... so if {{Cl|Actresses}} exists, it belongs as a subcat of {{cl|Actors}}. | |||
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| :::The rest of what you write in the paragraph above is, to put it as politely as I can, self-contradictory nonsense. I will not waste any more time arguing it with you here. Take it to ] if you want to, where we can have a wider discussion and other editors can share the burden of disentangling your self-contradictions. --] <small>] • (])</small> 23:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::There are women who are actors who would be happy to be included in an actor category but would not like to be in an actress category. ] (]) 02:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::And vice-versa. But a) Most articles on actresses describe them in the body text as actresses. b) The choice of title is a separate issue to the question of whether to categorise actors by gender. {{cl|Actresses}} could be renamed to "Female actors", "Women actors", or whatever. (Personally, I have no current preference on the choice of title). This is what we have done with {{cl|Golfers}}, {{cl|Singers}}, and other gendered categories. c) We don't create parallel category structures according to the terminological preferences of individuals with any particular occupation. --] <small>] • (])</small> 04:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Once a category is created, editors will populate it. That is how all categories work, and if you disapprove the solution is simple -- go to ] and propose its merger or deletion. | |||
| :Why do you find this so hard to underestand? --] <small>] • (])</small> 22:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::Let me get this straight. There is a guideline that says that actresses is not needed as a category. For years it was a redirect to actors. Someone creates a CfD but instead of it being deleted, someone creates a DRV, and instead of leaving it as a redirect it is made into a category? Something is not right there. ] (]) 23:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::No, you ain't got it straight. Please read the ]; I have posted the link to you several times, and it is tedious that you continue to make false assumptions rather than to follow the links repeatedly given to you. | |||
| :::I am now getting a bit fed up of trying to find new ways to explain this to you, but I will make one more attempt. | |||
| :::The categories were deleted at CFD. Some years later, a deletion review a) permitted relisting of the categories, and b) actually asked me to recreate them, in order to have something to discuss at CFD. (CFD can only discuss the proposed merger or deletion or renaming of a category. If the category doesn't exist there is nothing for CfD to discuss) | |||
| :::So I created {{cl|Portuguese actresses}}, {{cl|Actresses by nationality}} and {{cl|Actresses}}, as discussed at DRV, in order to allow a CFD discussion. --] <small>] • (])</small> 23:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| Apteva, I strongly object to you doing non-admin closes of RMs, after your long string of RM losses in which you demonstrated that you are largely out of touch with how WP articles are titled. Just leave it to someone else while you're learning about WP. ] (]) 05:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Got it. Not learning. I see you're planning to make good on your promise to keep up the disruption until you fix the title "errors" that others agree on . ] (]) 05:34, 14 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::That RM review was closed as no consensus, but there were clear and obvious reasons for the move, and an admin suggested that the close be overturned. ] (]) 05:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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