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== Editing trouble ==
== ''Ray of Light'' and other things.... ==


Hello. I don't understand what did I do wrong on my last edit on ]. Can you give me an explication? ] (]) 07:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
¡Hola!, gracias por . Gracias porque se tomó la molestia de leer en un idioma ajeno al suyo y contestar. Pues yo me he quedado satisfecho con lo que dijo: "Furthermore, I would like to point out the same problem could have happened with Ray of Light—that various news and magazine writers looked at the 20 million figure on Misplaced Pages and repeated it without checking". Pero, también me gustaría pedirle un favor, como yo no soy nativo del idioma inglés (lo entiendo, pero escribirlo es lo que me cuesta), que realizara este tipo de censo con álbumes que la verdad, tienen un problema con sus ventas como ''Ray of Light'', ''Thriller'' por ejemplo (que son exageradísimas) y lo más seguro es que sea un "Wiki ]"; recuerde que medios de más de cien años han copiado información de Misplaced Pages sin ver si son verídicas o falacias, '']'' (<u>1859</u>) . Gracias nuevamente por toda la atención. Saludos cordiales {{smiley|:)}}, ] (]) 00:27, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:You added influences with no references. ] (]) 13:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)


== Greenwood ==
:I agree it is a huge problem. I would like to see all the album sales figures be assessed the same way all over Misplaced Pages. Ideally, the assessment would be strict, limited to firmly established sales results. ] (]) 00:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


Hi, Could you please explain why you remove my edit? ] (]) 19:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
== ]: what's next? ==


== KB edit ==
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the RFC ending with a consensus ruling. ] (]) 23:11, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


Hi! I noticed that you reverted my edits for the wiki page of Kathryn Bernardo. I overhauled the whole page as there are too many unnecessary info and clutter. I also corrected a lot of grammatical errors which I think devalues the page.
:In situations where I beat my head against an unyielding problem for hours, days or weeks without making any progress, I eventually cease my involvement and focus elsewhere. Short of ousting the most vociferous obstructionist editors, I don't have an answer. ] (]) 23:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


If you will compare my edit from the previous one, it is a big improvement as it is more coherent and concise. I also added present vital info as there are a lot that has been missed. If I may, I will revert my edits on that page as it took me hours to finish it. Rest assured that no critical info has been removed. Thank you. ] (]) 14:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::Well, I've been to ARBCOM with a case much like this ]. ] (]) 05:27, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


:::That one worked very well. It would be great to see such a result applied everywhere it is needed. ] (]) 17:29, 1 December 2012 (UTC) :Whatever improvements you have planned for the biography, don't remove existing citations. The biography is supposed to be a summary of published material, and the citations represent that material. ] (]) 14:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::I will restore the sources on the previous edit. Thanks. ] (]) 14:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::Can I revert back my edit and restore back the sources previously present? I want to avoid edit warring so I'll ask for your permission. ] (]) 14:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:::You can copy the article into your userspace and work on it there. Your userspace sandbox would be at ]. ] (]) 14:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::::This is noted. All citations previously removed were restored. Page now grew to 77 references. Thanks. ] (]) 14:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for keeping so many of the previous citations. ] (]) 15:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)


== Please add "progressive soul" back to the Isley Brothers article ==
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] (]) 23:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
I started a discussion on this at ] on ] edits on ]. It can be found ].
:Yes, it's in the source you linked, but they say the group "dabbled" in it, which is not a wholehearted assertion of genre.
:In any case, the genre "progressive soul" must be discussed in the article body before it can be listed in the infobox. ] (]) 23:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::Then add it to the body. ] (]) 00:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::Robert Christgau also referred to the Isleys as a progressive soul group . ] (]) 00:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)


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Hello I saw you reversed my edits on the Misplaced Pages pages for Shane McRae and Bad Teacher crediting him for a minor role in the unrated version of the film. I assume this is because he’s not credited on IMDB so I didn’t provide a source, but I actually looked at his page again and saw photo still of him from the film from the scene in the unrated version of the film. Is this enough source to add the film to his page and the credits section of the Bad Teacher page? ] (]) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
== David Irving ==


:Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts. If the fact hasn't been published, it is not for Misplaced Pages. We are not here to figure out all the missed stuff and make sure it gets in. ] (]) 22:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi Binksternet. I removed "holocaust denier" from the introductory sentence of David Irving, but you (and someone else) seem to have a problem with this.


== You've Got To Hide Your Love Away ==
I thought that the purpose of the introductory sentence was to name them, and to list what occupation they do/did. Is this not correct? All other people seem to have their occupation there, rather than things they're known to be linked to.


I've undone your removal of the Beach Boys' cover from the "cover versions" section as they did do a cover of this song, on a top 10 charting album, and there are citations provided which confirm this. There was no good reason to remove this info. ] (]) 18:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm new to Misplaced Pages, so is there perhaps a guide somewhere explaining it? Thank you. {{unsigned|Treeroy}} 23:43, December 5, 2012


:In Misplaced Pages biographies, there's no cut-and-dried formula restricting the first sentence to career only. Usually the first sentence says the most notable thing about a person. Holocaust denial overshadows everything else Irving has done; it is his main claim to fame whether he likes it or not. ] (]) 23:49, 5 December 2012 (UTC) :] is the good reason. The cover version doesn't get a boost from being on a Top 10 album; it has to be judged on its own merit. At the bare minimum, the cover version should be described as extraordinary by the media. Any charting cover version is certainly included. ] (]) 22:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::Maybe if we were talking about a less notable group, but it seems to me that the fact that specifically The Beach Boys - being the most successful American band (of the decade and possibly of all time) and specifically in 1965 at the peak of their popularity and much-ballyhooed rivalry with The Beatles - recorded and released a cover of a Beatles song on an album that went to #6 in the US and #3 in the UK is noteworthy enough to warrant a sentence's mention on the song's page. It feels like a glaring enough omission NOT to include it that while reading this page I went "oh wow why isn't that here? I'll be a diligent Misplaced Pages user and add it." But since that's not enough for you (and apparently you're the ultimate arbiter here?) it was also released as a single in Japan in 1966 and here are two reviews which mention it as a standout track on the album and HERE are two Beatles(not Beach Boys)-centric websites which mention it outside of the context of the album . Can that be it please? ] (]) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't pretend to be the arbiter but I am quite active on Misplaced Pages, so my viewpoint gets more visibility.
:::The thing about the prominence of the Beach Boys is that, if their version of the song "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" wasn't mentioned by the media, then it was judged less important by the media. We would be giving it undue weight if we list it. The fact that the song was released as a single isn't good enough for ]. The single must have charted somewhere to be important. ] (]) 16:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Their version of the song '''was''' mentioned by the media, in the examples I provided as well as others. Even if it is "less important" than the original song (an impossible metric for any cover of a Beatles song to top), that doesn't mean it doesn't merit a mention in the article. Nowhere in the song cover guidelines does it say that a cover version must have charted as a single to be considered noteworthy. I'll quote your response to the user above: "Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts." It is a '''published fact''' that The Beach Boys, '''an extremely notable band,''' released a cover version of this song, which was also released as a single and has been discussed, as I've now provided multiple links attesting to. Per the songcover guidelines, a cover should EITHER be "discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right. Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc. is not sufficient" OR meet the requirements for a standalone page. I'm not trying to create a standalone page for this or act like it deserves one. But I '''am''' providing much more evidence than the examples listed in the guidelines as insufficient ("an album track listing or discography"). This satisfies the first of the two criteria listed, which '''in and of itself''' is sufficient to merit its inclusion in the article. It would not be giving it "undue weight" but an entirely appropriate mention. In fact, I can go to many, many other musician's pages and find dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of less notable cover songs than this one being included, without issue. Since it bothers you so much and you've decided it's your prerogative, why haven't you gone and cleaned house on every other music page? You '''are''' pretending to be the arbiter here - the fact that you do this a lot doesn't mean that you're not doing it. You are being willfully obtuse and overly proscriptive in your own '''personal''' interpretation of these guidelines - to what end I can't imagine, unless it's to satisfy some personal bias. A cursory Google search of your username shows that you have quite a reputation as something of a Misplaced Pages bully, who uses the pretense of neutrality to inject your own personal bias into articles - and looking deeper into your edit history confirms this to be true. Given that, it's clear that there's no way I'm going to get you to do a 180 and admit that you're wrong here, and you'll just keep removing valid edits until people get fed up and leave - so that's what I'm doing, congratulations you win again. But I'll leave you with this: I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you didn't actually set out to codify your personal biases and beliefs in a space that's supposed to be a public resource of neutral information, and that you '''do''' in fact believe that you're acting in good faith in defense of said neutrality. Based on your edit history and your rightly-earned reputation, I would suggest that you might consider that you've lost sight of your (correct and ultimately noble) goal and have let your personal biases get in the way of doing what you clearly see as your job - to the detriment of Misplaced Pages and its reputation as a source of information. Nobody in the world is perfect, but you seem to have an entirely inflated and unhealthy sense of your own infallibility, which doesn't serve you (or anyone else) well. Just food for thought. ] (]) 01:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Sticking to what you did, was still a violation of ]. The Slowinski credit in the AV media citation doesn't refer to any prose analysis by Slowinski saying that this cover version was extraordinary in some manner. Instead, Slowinski and Boyd are credited as the researchers who figured out which song contained which musicians from which recording sessions. The songs are not praised or panned in a critical review, just listed in order as part of the album. That's not enough to get through the SONGCOVER requirement. Your second citation is an example of the song being performed live in concert, which again is not enough to increase its importance for Misplaced Pages to notice. Three things can convey importance: chart success, a major award nomination, or critical commentary in books, newspapers, magazines, etc.
:::::Now about my actions: Misplaced Pages's original intent was to summarize a topic's most important points for the reader. It was never meant as a full and complete collection of every fact about a topic. Misplaced Pages's current policy continues with this idea: ] says that the online encyclopedia "does not aim to contain all the information, data or expression known on every subject." There are other websites trying to fill that gap, for instance secondhandsongs is attempting to list every song cover no matter how obscure. Misplaced Pages's refusal to include every fact is the spirit which drives my removal of the lesser known song covers from song articles. ] (]) 05:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


== Willow Smith ==
I see, thank you. How do you sign things by the way? I noticed wherever I edit on a talk page, it says "unsigned" whereas everyone else has a signature with date/time. {{unsigned|Treeroy}} 23:58, December 5, 2012


You're calling me out on “awful sourcing” and restored a version that uses a damn YouTube video as a source. Is this a joke? ] (]) 17:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:Sign with four tildes in a row, like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
:Cheers - ] (]) 00:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


:I got that one backwards. Sorry. ] (]) 17:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
== Request comment ==


== Another User:MariaJaydHicky sock? ==
Your input would be appreciated . ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 02:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi there Binksternet, I came across some edits from the above User:ThisIs00k today and noticed that it felt very familiar to this LTA: ]. A bit of genre warring / changes going on, and a heavy focus on R&B music articles. I have already published an SPI report ], but anyways would you agree with my findings that this is another likely sock of MariaJaydHicky? —&nbsp;] ] 01:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
== San Bernardino ==
:Yes, someone's sock. It's also too close to the existing username ] and should be blocked as a spoof. ] (]) 02:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
At ], if we both acknowledge that ]'s presence is debatable, don't you think it does less harm to leave the (possibly redundant) information in the article (where it was put by a third party) than to remove it? I've spent quite a bit of time on more important issues in the article, and it still needs more. <font color="red">—&#91;</font>](])<font color="red">&#93;—</font> 10:45, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
:That is not me. ] (]) 06:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:I think "Southern California", "Inland Empire", and "55 miles east of downtown L.A." are suitable for the first paragraph. Mentioning L.A. again ''in the first paragraph'' is too much.
:Of course there are other issues that are more important; this one should be easy to get right. ] (]) 16:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


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I don't think "]" and "]" are helpful edit summaries when reverting good faith edits, which is what these appear to be. Is there something I'm missing here?<span id="Qwerfjkl:1731607610022:User_talkFTTCLNBinksternet" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;]] 18:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</span>
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:Loosen up. Those edit summaries were meant to alert longstanding editors that consensus was being violated. I'm not going to change my style for the few times I choose to sound the alarm. ] (]) 18:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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::And why would longstanding editors need to be alerted? I'm just saying, a less bitey approach might have been better.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1731608426065:User_talkFTTCLNBinksternet" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;]] 18:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</span>
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== Question about an author and his book ==
:::::I looked at the various discussions surrounding the block and unblock of Francophonie&#38;Androphilie and I did not see that a checkuser search was run. Or do you mean "checkuser" as in a ''person'' who can run the check (Coren) but who in this case has apparently opted against doing so? Anyway, I'm less inclined to doubt F&A after seeing all the positive things he's done, but I'm going to let more time pass before I change my mind completely. ] (]) 12:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


Hey. It's been a minute. I was pressed about this author by the name of Ian Hall and his books on One-Hit Wonders of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s and whether or not he could be used as a source for the List of One-Hit Wonders in the United States wiki page. He is from Scotland and now lives with his wife in Topeka, Kansas. His book includes chart data from different countries, primarily building off of the Billboard Hot 100 in the states. ] (]) 22:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Hi, Binksternet. Seeing your above comment, I'm inclined to comply with your request to stay off your talk page. I've said in the past that I understand what could seem suspicious, and if it takes you a bit longer for those suspicions to go away, so be it. is the record of the CheckUser being done - not exactly exculpatory, of course, but I believe it's this type of assessment that led to Coren later describing his actions as "paranoid." Anyways, I'm fine with steering clear of you if you'd like, though I hope you don't mind if I reserve the right to drop you any run-of-the-mill messages like the one that started this thread. Thanks.''' —&nbsp;<u><font color="#000000">]</font></u>'''<sup>(''<u><font color="#000000">]</font></u>'')</sup> 16:55, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks for that link; it's all I was looking for. If Coren ran checkuser and found nada then I'm happy with the results. ] (]) 17:03, 9 December 2012 (UTC) :The problem with his books is that they are self-published through ]. That means ] is the applicable guideline. The books are not considered a reliable source unless Ian Hall can be argued as a notable expert on music topics. Is he famous for music analysis or criticism? ] (]) 02:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::I can't say he's famous from the looks of it. Even if he knows his stuff really well. I ''could'' be inaccurate on that though. ] (]) 02:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)


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Could I contact you via e-mail over a Misplaced Pages editing matter concerning another editor, that I think should not be open for all to see, at least for the time being ? Nothing too sinister or deep, but you know how it goes. Or you can contact me on derekrbullamore@yahoo.co.uk, whichever suits you. Thanks. - ] (]) 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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== Tube Fender ==
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== Hey friend. ==
Hola, Binksternet. No me quiero meter a problemas, simplemente trato de guardar la imparcialidad. Pero, ¿será correcto esto que realizé?: y . Me gusta Shakira y conozco su biografía casi a la perfección, tanto en las versiones de Misplaced Pages como fuera de otros lugares y sé que esas ventas no son correctas; además, Sony dice que solo ha vendido 60 millones. Saludos, ] (]) 03:55, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


You might look back to the ] article, and the hodge-podge "Focus, pacing, style, and interpretation" section. There is a lot of unsourced essay content there, that I simply can't bold-edit away myself (because editing from IP, and knowing what it likely will trigger). And good working alongside you today. Cheers. A former logging editor and Prof. ] (]) 05:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:Chrishonduras, I do not want to help fix the problem of inflated record sales at all of the musician and album articles where there is controversy. My only interest was at Madonna's '']'' album, but because of that I was pulled into the ] against my better judgement. I wish you success in your fight for accuracy. ] (]) 05:20, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
:Cheers. I'll take another look. ] (]) 06:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::I restored the shorter plot section that I had copyedited. Per ], the plot section should not exceed 700 words. Per ], the plot section is written in the ], which is a change I enacted. If the plot is very briefly summarized elsewhere, for instance in the lead section, then this summary is written from the author's perspective. ] (]) 06:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I support your redactive edits to move ] away from its overly long Plot, to hit ca. 700 words. I would argue that the Plot now opens with a name of principle character only revealed with certainty later in the novel—at open, only hints appear tht the principle character is Tenar; she is identified as Goha. I think the Plot summary should use Goha, until the point in the narrative that it is revealed that Goha is the preceding novel's Tenar. (But I will not be the one to even partially revert your edit.) And still believe that the "Focus, pacing, style, interpretation" section should get your honing attention (for it contains a lot of unsourced editorial content). Cheers. ] (]) 10:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)


== 808s & Heartbreak ==
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{{you've got mail}} FWiW ] (]) 14:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC).


It's look like MariaJaydHicky is genre warring in '']'' . ] (]) 07:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
:Marvelous. Thanks! ] (]) 15:16, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
:Socking as a lifetime career. ] (]) 07:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
::Do we have research into what motivates LTAs? In this case someone made an attempt at some point ]. ] (]) 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::It would benefit the community greatly to know what is their motivation. We might be able to use that information to redirect their energies.
:::That particular discussion in your link showed that MJH was pleading innocent at the same time she was block evading with IPs and socks. Pop psychology suggests that this kind of lying comes from narcissism's disconnect with shame or guilt. Anna Frodesiak tried to guide MJH gently toward Wikia, but MJH ignored the hint. I don't know what we could say or do to get a narcissist to go away to spend their time elsewhere. ] (]) 17:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I don't have much faith in pop psychology. But would surprise me if no one has researched this topic yet. I'll ask around. ] (]) 20:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)


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== Invitation to participate in ] ==
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:Interesting concept. I'll take advantage some day. ] (]) 01:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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== Quick question ==
:: Yes, I can relate. Hope to see you at another event soon, then! -] (]) 16:25, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


So there's this LTA by the name of User:MidAtlanticBaby who has been going around and copy-pasting some story usually attacking other editors or seeking attention from admins and whatnot, over and over and over again, across the help desk, teahouse and various other help forums or noticeboards (]). I've noticed that the "Demographics vandal" you've been dealing with lately also does something incredibly similar as well, where they repeatedly spam some big block of text on the help desk and/or teahouse, which all later have to be revdelled just like MAB's posts. I've never seen any of the posts by the demographics vandal for myself before, so I'm not exactly sure as to whether these two names are two different people or not. I'm quite very familiar with MAB but not so much with the demographics vandal. Anyway, can you confirm with me whether these are two different persons? That's all. Thanks! —&nbsp;] ] 06:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
== Richard Nixon talk page notice ==


:The person I call the Demographics vandal is a complex case, with more than one area of interest. I wouldn't be surprised to find they have other disruptive behavior patterns than the ones listed at ].
I have added a section on the talk page for the article ] titled "Section deleted on 13 December 2012." Please share your thoughts on the talk page. Thanks.
] (]) 16:24, 16 December 2012 (UTC) :I've seen some of the MAB disruption but I haven't studied it. I cannot confirm these are two different people. ] (]) 06:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::I see, got it. —&nbsp;] ] 06:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::Please check the ] page for my response. I believe the proposed changes were misunderstood. If there was no misunderstanding, then please share with me your interpretation of the consensus. Also, please share with me how to proceed forward. This is the first time I have participated in a discussion like this. Thank you for your patience and participation. ] (]) 16:27, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


== Inquiry about an article created at the English language Vikidia ==
== Request comment II==


Good morning! My name is Christian, and I'm an administrator on the English language children's encyclopedia called Vikidia. This morning, an article has been created, by someone using your WP username, and it's about you.
Your input would be appreciated . ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 03:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


Could I ask if you have authorised this, please? If not, the article will be deleted as a violation of BLP. It features material taken word for word, from your userpage here, and is unsourced.
:I will comment if and when I get a sense of why there is this kind of discussion on one editor's talk page rather than a noticeboard or larger arena, and how much leverage such a limited discussion will hold on what we do going forward. ] (]) 04:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
:: I agree, and I'm unsure why this thread isn't at the mediation page. Nonetheless, this may well be the ''last'' opportunity to speak about the "avoid-dance" during this mediaiton. ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 21:29, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


Many thanks for your attention, ]&#124;] 09:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
* FTR, Brad is going to judge the validity of the criticism of the caveat based on the support, or lack thereof, of an amendment to it based on comments at Strad's talk thread. It now appears to him that ''only'' I have an issue with the "avoid-dance", which of course isn't true. I realise most if not all of us are so tired out by this, but really, we are quite close to an end. At least please weigh-in with your thoughts so your voice is heard and Brad cannot insist that I am the only one with an issue with the caveat. ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 00:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


:I did not authorize it. Thank you in advance for deleting it. ] (]) 14:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
== Bink would this link be good for Hiroshima and Nagasaki? ==
::{{tps}} ], I see it has not been deleted yet, and the user "Binksternet" should surely be blocked. They have now made a second edit; note the edit summary. ] &#124; ] 19:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::: Thanks, I'll remove it now, and indef the creator. Sorry for the delay! ]&#124;] 19:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::::To confirm, the user / vandal impersonating you at the English Vikidia has been indefinitely blocked for impersonation, our recent change logs indicate you did not authorise the article, and that too has been deleted and create protected to admin only. The userpage has been wiped, and the contents of the user's edit summaries have been suppressed within our logs.
::::I'd like to apologise for the delay in dealing with this, but I have been without internet for part of today, and been unable to get on here. If you ever wish to have a presence on the site, please leave a message on my talk page here, and I'll unlock the userpage and its associated talk, as well as unblock the account. With regards, ]&#124;] 20:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you for your prompt action. I will consider your kind offfer. ] (]) 20:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Origin of the term "Lost Cause" ==
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/truman-leaflets/


You're right that I did too much original research. I'll try to redo it referencing this source that has good info, including a section on the origin of the term and several of the sources I included. https://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2444&context=theses That thesis suggests that Pollard might have picked up the term from an article in a rival Memphis paper in 11/16/1865, but I have a source that shows he used the term himself a day earlier than that. Pollard himself wrote in 1872 that he suggested the title to the publisher, but he was using the term himself even before the book was written. I don't have the Ulbrich book, but will try to get a copy. ] (]) 21:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
The article didn't really mention about the warning shortly after the first A-bombing and that i thought it added great value to the article. BTW, this is PBS link so it's legit.] (]) 10:06, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
:Cheers, and thanks for having a good attitude. ] (]) 22:51, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


== Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ==
:Yes, I think this source can be used, along with the other sources which are mentioned at ]. The date in that PBS source is vague, though. When addressing the leaflet question, all the reliable sources must be polled to get as broad an answer as possible, since they are somewhat contradictory. For instance, some revisionist American books ('']'', for instance) say that Hiroshima was warned about the atomic bomb by leaflets, but this is contradicted by more detailed/authoritative sources which say the leaflets dropped on Hiroshima before August 6 warned about the firebombing of Japan's cities. No mention was made in them of a new, more powerful bomb; and Hiroshima was not listed among the targeted cities. ] (]) 12:30, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


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Well many sources did indicated that the leaflets were dropped on 35 Japanese cities, including Hiroshima & Nagasaki a week before the Atomic bombs was used. Heck even the section of "Choice of targets" the ] even said so as well. The link even said that the leaflets were dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki. BTW can i add this link and paste the leaflet section to add more value? I know a lot of people who were lazy to look up for links nowadays because of dead links and stuff like that. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/ops/hiroshima4.htm ] (]) 03:14, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


== "Too specific" isn't a real standard. Don't randomly delete content without attempting discussion please. ==
:There were at least two different leaflets, for different purposes. The ones after Hiroshima warned of more atomic bombs. The ones before Hiroshima warned of the firebombing of cities. Yes, I think you can use the globalsecurity.org link. ] (]) 03:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi. This is regarding your deletion of the section on the ] page. There is a section on the talk page for discussion, but you did not participate, either before, during, or after your deletion. Although it appears to be a common practice to delete the edits and additions of newcomers, it is still against Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines. Please follow the rules. If you're going to assert that content should be deleted, discuss it on the talk page. I did that, multiple times in fact. I was very patient. I was very careful. I spent a lot of time, and did a lot of work. "Too specific" is not a real standard, and I do intend to revert your edit. Magnolia did in fact consistently blatantly and deliberately violate Misplaced Pages's rules. The fact that there was an actual torture ring conducted by the Sonoma County government is in fact notable, whether or not people think it should be covered up is irrelevant. The fact that the person who organized the lawsuit against the County for the torture ring in 2015 was shot in the face with a crowd control "stingball" grenade is also notable. Again, please respect Misplaced Pages's rules. I don't know how much simpler I can put it. Don't delete content without participating in discussion. There has been a section on the talk page for more than 18 months. I put it there, to give people a forum to discuss the sections that I eventually added, after diligence, and patience. 18 month old invalid arguments do not weigh on consensus. Bad faith deletions do not weigh on consensus. "Too specific" isn't even applicable, firstly, and secondly it's plainly not a real standard. It's not valid. The content is notable, and is properly sourced. Merely throwing in your hat with Magnolia to cover up extremely heinous acts of brutality because you personally want the article to read like a tourist brochure does not weigh on consensus. You need a valid reason. The fact that you didn't participate in the talk page seems to implicate a lacking thereof. The page is about the County. The content relates to the County and it is not reasonably disputable that it should be in the article, if the article is to be considered objective. The article is not a tourist brochure.] (]) 11:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
==Schweikart ostracized==
Here's what I wrote at ]: "] a history professor with a non-controversial record as a business historian in recent years has written interpretive histories of the US with an explicitly conservative viewpoint. Today editor ] has been systematically tracking and erasing citations to Schweikart's political books and to his nonpolitical books as well. He stated his motivation on my talkpage as '''"Certainly Schweikart has his fans, but I think we need to minimize his impact on Misplaced Pages, at least on topics where his opinion goes against the tide."''' Binksternet (talk) 15:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)" (from http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Rjensen). For example he deleted a passage on guitar music ] that cited Schweikart. He deleted material from ] explaining "Delete overreliance on poorly received work" with zero evidence anywhere that the particular Schweikart works involved were "poorly received" by any RS. Perhaps "against the tide" seems to mean against Binksternet's pov. Ostracizing an established historian because of his political views is pure POV, in my opinions. The NPOV rules require the inclusion of all major viewpoints. "against the tide" seems to mean against Binksternet's pov." ] (]) 18:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


== History of Chinese Americans ==
:Thanks for the note. Shouldn't the proper forum be ] to determine whether this or that Schweikart work is worthy of the facts that it is being used for? ] (]) 19:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
::the issue is personal attacks on a scholar for books you never read in violation of POV rules. ] (]) 19:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Personal attacks? You have the wrong guy. Have I questioned the man's scholarship? Yes, of course, along with many others. I read his book and was astounded at the wrong 'facts' therein. For instance, Schweikart and Allen tell the reader that the city of Hiroshima was warned ahead of time by leaflets that the US was going to "obliterate" the city, but the leaflets that were actually dropped did not list Hiroshima among the target cities nor did they warn of anything greater than the usual firebombings that had been going on for five months. Schweikart and Allen mislead the reader into thinking the Americans gave the Hiroshima citizens fair warning for the atomic bomb, which is not the case. ] (]) 19:43, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
::::Schweikart has written dozens of books and scholarly articles published by leading journals -- and has been asked by the editors of other leading journals (American Historical review, J. Southern History, Western Historical Q, etc) to write for them. That establishes a significant reputation as a RS. Binksternet thinks all that is ruined if Schweikart makes a mistake in a general survey book, about say the Japanese language text of a leaflet. Binksternet erases material that has not been challenged by anyone and which he has not read (eg rock music and ] and the diary of ] (the arctic explorer). What we have is a systematic purge of material that has not been challenged, with no discussion on talk pages and no evidence from Binksternet that there is a problem. That I suggest is a serious editing issue. ] (]) 19:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::I'm right here; you don't have to address me in the third person as if I was somewhere else, or as if you were grandstanding.
:::::You dismiss one Schweikart work (his most famous one, the bestseller) as a "general survey book", then you turn around and defend the nonsense Schweikart wrote in ''Seven Events That Made America America'', a load of popular pap contained in a chapter called "A Steel Guitar Rocks the Iron Curtain" in which he says that the musical , helped break the Iron Curtain. I don't get it! How can you support tripe like that? It's unscholarly pop conjecture churned out for the masses, to turn a buck.
:::::Next, there's the 1986 Schweikart piece called "Polar Revisionism and the Peary Claim" in which he argues that there is no evidence of tampering with Peary's diary, there is a similarity in pemmican crumbs and fat smears among the pages in the diary including the crucial ones that were inserted to fill in the blank days when Peary was supposedly at the North Pole. Schweikart concludes that Peary did get to the North Pole ahead of Cook. And yet, the mainstream consensus did not change because of Schweikart: for instance, in 2003, the textbook ''Exploring Polar Frontiers: A Historical Encyclopedia'' continued with the mainstream position that Peary "claimed" to have reached the North Pole, but probably not. This encyclopedia lists a few historians who have argued one way or the other; that Peary was or was not capable of adequate navigation (page 516), and that the icy surfaces he traveled may or may not have allowed adequate traveling speed (a speed that would have been higher than any other explorers), but the encyclopedia does not mention Schweikart's paper. It does say that Peary did not keep an unbroken account in his diary, and that the loose paper announcing his reaching the North Pole "could have been written at any time." This directly contradicts the Schweikart position which is why of the Peary biography as revisionism. I can imagine putting it back in but with much more context about how the viewpoint of Schweikart is a minor one, how the paper was not a turning point in Peary historiography. ] (]) 20:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


I'm not going to revert , but I will argue that the text added to ] is inappropriate. Beyond the simple problems of bolding of headers, meta-analysis like " While the page currently focuses on the legislative details, it is essential to explore the broader social and political dynamics that led to its passage." is a discussion of the page and should be on the talk page, not in the article. I also suspect that quite a lot of that text is a copyvio and it has some fairly serious ] issues. Can you take a closer look? Thanks, ] (]) 07:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
== 3RRon WoW ==
:Yes, I'll look. I guess we had an edit conflict, but I didn't get a notice saying so. I thought the person's contribution was very flawed and so I removed the worst bits. You thought it was very flawed and removed all of it. I might end up agreeing more with your solution. ] (]) 15:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)


== WTF DUDE???? ==
Just a friendly reminder. And not that I disagree with the reverts, but labeling those edits as vandalism is questionable.&nbsp;&nbsp;]{{SubSup||]|]}} 23:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


:I hear you. At the article, when I saw the die was cast. From that point on, the editor was a vandal in my eyes. ] (]) 00:05, 19 December 2012 (UTC) Dude Why TF are u reverting my edits. The video clearly is credible as MrBeast shows proof himself and u literally did not look at it ] (]) 21:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:I did look at it, and what I saw was some clowning around in the studio. But the single , so you got me there. ] (]) 22:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::Looks like he's throwing in a meal of trolling with a side of belligerence too. Will request semi or PC if he keeps at it.&nbsp;&nbsp;]{{SubSup||]|]}} 14:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


== Should i add this for the Hiroshima industrial values? == == Flag Icons for 1920's Time Magazine Covers ==


Is the flag icons next to names on the list of time magazine articles not the correct format? I saw you also removed the flags for the other covers as well. ] (]) 12:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=nyk2qegVwHQC&pg=PT153&dq=The+city+itself+was+a+beehive+of+war+industry&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QpnRULyvCMHqiwLw4ID4DA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA


:As I understand ] and ], the flag should only be used if the person is coming to the list as a representative of their country, for instance athletes coming to the Olympics would show the flag of the country they are competing for. If a list of people is not associated with official representation of the country, then flags are not appropriate. Or if multiple politicians got together to discuss world affairs, they might be shown with the flag they represent. The ''Time'' magazine cover is not an athletic competition and it's not a convention of international politicians. ] (]) 15:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
On the article of Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the section of "Hiroshima during WWII" didn't really explain much about industrial but more of a military significance. This makes a lot of readers think Hiroshima only had military camps and not had lot of industrial values at all. So i fond this so if it's OK if i added in. Like for example people were assembling booby traps in the beaches of Japan, suicide craft, and stuff guerrilla warfare. I thought it added great value to the article and also this link is from a real author.] (]) 10:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


== I'm going to need some evidence for this claim ==
:Sure, that's a very good book to add to ]. The information about Hiroshima's industrial value is helpful to the reader, but don't overstate the case. The center of Hiroshima was mostly a target of about 240,000 humans. Other sources discuss the balance of industry and population. For instance, in the book ''Japan in the Twenty-First Century: Environment, Economy, And Society'' ISBN 0813191181, pages 150–151, the authors say Hiroshima in 1945 was a "military city" with around 40% of its central area dedicated to military functions. They say the presence of so many military personnel led to the development of a large number of war industries, that the economy of the city revolved around the military. The American document, ''U. S. Strategic Bombing Survey: The Effects of the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki'', says on , that the large central district of Hiroshima had "no systematic separation of commercial, industrial, and residential zones", and that the headquarters of the huge Chugoku Regional Army was right in the center. The heavy industries were around the outside perimeter of the city, primarily to the south and east. The next page says that "nearly 7 percent of the residential units had been torn down to make firebreaks." , it says that there were "several thousand" "small workshops" in central Hiroshima contributing one-fourth of the industrial production. The other three-quarters were in the heavy industries ringing the city, and were largely unaffected by the bomb. ] (]) 16:55, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


I am not "evading" anything. Now surely for you to accuse me of block evasion, you must have some real strong evidence, chief. Let's have it. ] (]) 22:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Hey go to my talk page. ] (]) 05:10, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
:See ] which lists a ton of IPs in your range, and identical behavior. ] (]) 22:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)


== Possible sock puppet of MariaJaydHicky ==
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I don't know if this user is related to MariaJaydHicky, but it appears to be the case . ] (]) 09:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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:I see gaming the system of protection by gaining autoconfirmed status then immediately reverting a protected page, in this case the Nicki Minaj bio four days after first registering, showing in that the user has been here before the hip hop article was moved from ] to ] which happened on December 2. The user account was created on December 17, so if they were a completely new user, they would only know the hyphenated hip-hop link, and they wouldn't try and correct it. ] (]) 16:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== Your recent edits make no sense. ==
Binksternet, you asked me to message you on this page if I had a question, but I see no way to message you. Can you clariy?


The other day, I added the punk rock categories to the pages for speed metal and death metal, but you removed them. After reading the pages for those genres, I saw no mention of hardcore punk, so I removed them from the Hardcore punk template, but you added them back. What is the meaning of that? ] (]) 22:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
As far as the neutrality of the edits to the 2012 presidential election page, the edits were facts only, verifiable from dozens of sources, and are 100% neutral. The page referenced is not neutral, but you could make that argument about many kinds of sources. The page I referenced is the only place on the internet that has the data compiled and organized in a decipherable format.


:Your genre edits have been based on looking around at other Misplaced Pages articles. I have pointed this problem out repeatedly to you, saying that other Misplaced Pages articles cannot be considered reliable per ]. Back in 2021 ] instead, but you don't appear to be able or willing to do this. That's why I have a giant bug up my ass about your edits. ] (]) 04:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Beyond that, I think it is a confusion to say that an edit is not neutral because you feel a source of data is not neutral. If the data paints a picture, that is something you have to accept. It has not been altered in any way. What you're saying is a little like arguing that if you ask me someone's height, and I say 4 feet, that characterization is unacceptable because it makes that person seem short and is not neutral. The answer, in that case, is data only, even if your interpretation ends up biased because of your own preconceptions about height. If you would like the last sentence removed to make it seem more neutral, I'm fine with that, but I think your argument about neutrality here is based on how you think users might respond, not any objective definition of neutrality. {{unsigned|ProfHenley}}
::Like I said, though, the pages for speed metal and death metal say nothing about hardcore punk, nor does the page for progressive rock say anything about electronic rock. I've seen you revert my edits for similar reasoning. ] (]) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Here you are again referring to Misplaced Pages pages as reliable sources. ARGHH. ] (]) 16:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::It was a ''lack'' of sources I was going on. ] (]) 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Various questions .. but for starters .. ==
:In you used as the source for your information. This webpage has no author listed, no sense of authority or whether the references are being interpreted correctly. It is a ] akin to a blog post. You can ask at ] whether anybody over there thinks the webpage is a reliable source but I think it very clearly is not.
:Also, your wording was non-neutral. One man is "President Obama" and the other is "Mr. Romney". The word "convincingly" pushes the point too far. "Managed only" is demeaning. The bit about the former Confederate states is inflammatory stuff and should have only the best sourcing such as the ''New York Times'' or similar.
:The data points are interesting as is the analysis. Various newspapers have made these comparisons. If you source the data to ] such as these then you'll be in better shape. ] (]) 20:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


Why would you revert the italicization of ]. And why do it with zero edit summary - do you really believe it to be vandalism? ] (]) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
==Season's tidings!==
] To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! ] (]) 23:52, 21 December 2012 (UTC) :You added a borough right next to the note that says no boroughs. ] (]) 15:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Why if you disagree with that would you revert all of the other - I think facially proper - edits? And why without an edit summary. I thought we are supposed to use an edit summary, in particular when reverting non-vandalism (and of course where it is confusing as most of the material you reverted you have not mentioned you had a problem with). And (please tell me .. I'm just unaware of it) is there a rule against reflecting someone was born in Brooklyn? As we do in ] and ] and ] and ]? Also, less important I imagine, what is the thinking (Brooklyn is as large as many cities and has a character perhaps different than some of the other NYC boroughs), and will you delete Brooklyn from those bios as well? Thank you. --] (]) 17:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::] says to list the city. People have interpreted that to mean nothing below the city level, as some rappers were starting to list which neighborhood or even which apartment project. Local consensus at ] was clearly and explicitly against listing the borough, so you would want to take the issue up with the frequent participants there. ] (]) 15:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== ''The Bugle'': Issue 224, December 2024 ==
:Cheers to you! ] (]) 23:56, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

== RFC/U for Apteva: move to close ==

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== Hypnotico ==

Good work :) — ]] 06:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks. I feel better when I fix things, as compared to when I just complain. ;^)
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== Merry Christmas - 2012 == == I forgot to ping you ==


Regarding ]. I know it sounds nuts, but you may want to withdraw ] from the current GAN listing for nine months or so, because at that time it will be eligible for DYK for a second time in five years, per the new rules. Just something to consider. FWIW, if you decide to do that, I would be happy to review it at that later date. ] (]) 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Christmas Greetings. ] (]) 14:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


::...And a prosperous New Year to you! ] (]) 14:58, 24 December 2012 (UTC) :Thanks for the suggestion. I was away from the keyboard for too long to respond in time. ] (]) 01:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::*I hate to do this, but... non-free image removed.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 15:15, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


== Your ] nomination of ] ==
== I have quit The Beatles project ==
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== Now Yearbooks not announced ==
As I already stated, of which it seemed you ignored an obvious point in my statement, '''I HAVE QUIT THE BEATLES PROJECT!!!''' Did I make myself clear now??? ] (]) 15:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


I have one concern. Why aren't the ''Now Yearbooks'' announced yet? ] (]) 19:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Right. If you have quit, why don't you just stop posting about the Beatles?
:Look, man. Your contribution to the project was good. If you want to quit, though, do it with grace. Don't make a scene; don't make a play for pity. Don't try to use "I'm quitting" as leverage to get your way. ] (]) 16:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
::It was GabeMc's heavyhandedness in getting his way which forced me to quit. ] (]) 16:38, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
:::As soon as you stop posting about it I will assume you really mean to leave the project. ] (]) 16:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
::::I have stopped posting in the articles. But this talk page discussion is still active. I am still waiting for your comment regarding GabeMc. ] (]) 16:58, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::I don't have anything to say about GabeMc's behavior. Nor do I want to encourage any drama regarding your determination to leave the Beatles project. I think it is melodramatic of you to tell people you want to stop being involved with articles about the Beatles, while at the same time you declare your determination to keep writing "The Beatles". When would you write that if you are leaving the project? It's all so silly. ] (]) 23:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::'''I have quit the project''' but I will continue to say The Beatles in articles NOT CONNECTED with the project. ] (]) 18:27, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Misplaced Pages has little use for an editor who declares his intention to go against consensus. ] (]) 18:54, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Even in projects which allow for use of The Beatles or do you wish to screw up other projects? ] (]) 19:43, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::Across Misplaced Pages, editors who willfully go against consensus are eventually banned. You are the one who chooses your future; I'm just pointing out the likely conclusion. ] (]) 19:46, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::You are missing my point. In projects where the consensus IS to use "The Beatles," Are YOU willing to go against consensus in those projects??? ] (]) 20:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::The mediation/poll established wiki-wide practices for lower case "the Beatles" in running prose. At ], Newyorkbrad said nothing about the decision being restricted to one Wikiproject. There is no project that can go against this determination without putting together a new proposal, one that is almost certain to be shot down. Remember that the poll went almost 2 to 1 against lower case (about 65% to 35%). The lower case people have a supermajority. ] (]) 20:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::After three attempts to change consensus. Goodbye. ] (]) 20:18, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


:Because they haven't got around to it? I don't know. If you're talking about with question marks for the year, then the answer is that you have not provided a supporting citation to show that Now Music is releasing another yearbook. It's too soon. Don't stick conjecture into the encyclopedia. ] (]) 15:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Thanks, I had a very fine Xmas Eve dinner with family. Cheers! ] (]) 15:19, 25 December 2012 (UTC) I'm here to correct misinformation on here. ] (]) 19:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


:I'm upset with you for not taking corrections all the time any time every time for good today. I'm fed up. I correct misinformation here. ] (]) 20:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Thank you! I wish you {{like}}wise. Ho ho ho! ] (]) 15:27, 25 December 2012 (UTC) :::] I regret abusing Misplaced Pages when I wasn't thinking. ] (]) 20:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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== Disorder in the Falkands War ==

Happy New Year, Binks. Long time no talk.
These pages:


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== Tod ==


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Thanks for keeping an eye on things at ] during its recent big day. I am finally getting back up to speed and have left some notes ]. Your thoughts would be appreciated. - ] (]) 18:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


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== So are you going to work on the text soon for the Hiroshima's industrial value? ==


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Are you? ] (]) 23:51, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


*]
:I've been busy with family events related to Christmas. ] (]) 00:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
*]


All misspell Falk'''l'''ands in their titles. I tried to fix, but it looks to be above my paygrade.
::Hey Bink, i thought that you're busy over the few days. ] (]) 17:54, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


Season’s cheer. ]] 21:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Something I ate put an end to the fun. Recuperating now. ] (]) 18:19, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


::Cheers to you and Happy New Year. ] (]) 21:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That's because ] told me to put the leaflet section in the ] which I did obey anyways. Sorry i'm sorta of unfamiliar what was going on before i got involved in this. Also, are you still working on the text for Hiroshima industrial value? ] (]) 17:54, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Belated thanks. I forgot about the talk pages. Didn’t realize they were separate entities.
::::Your recent addition was problematic because it gave the reader the impression that Hiroshima was given fair warning by leaflet when it was not. I'll work on the leaflet information today. ] (]) 18:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
:::New topic: Isn’t one of your specialties Australian forces in World War 2?
:::]] 18:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


== Edward Furlong ==
:::::Ok i read it. Sorry but i don't buy it when i search it on Google when leaflets were dropped on Hiroshima, Nagasaki and other 33 Japanese cities even the global Security page i listed out for you earlier on. A lot of readers would be still confused because none of the people had money to buy the actual books. 2nd of all, there is still debated whether leaflets was dropped on Hiroshima, warning about the firebombings. After all, most people will consider Misplaced Pages an unrealable source with editing conflicts and besides, i suggest we should just completely had the "leaflets" section removed it and figuring out with other users that still believed the leaflets were dropped. And the links you put out were made by Japanese authors on the "leaflet" section, i don't buy their credibility since the nation is still in complete denial of their war crimes today. Are you going to used it as actual facts? Because i suggest you tweak things out or simply just removed the entire section or removed that Hiroshima was not warned about the firebombings. ] (]) 00:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


If you had checked the article references and the talkpage before reverting, you would have seen that most of the biographical material is already in the existing cites. In particular the People Magazine article from August 1991. The point about his surname is re-confirmed in the interview link which I added to the references section. Which you also removed.
== Augusto Pinochet ==


The other edits regarding his work are all already supported in the cited material and are nearly all minor copyedits for clarity and garmmar.
Hey. Hope you had an enjoyable Christmas. I'm posting this with regards to an edit I made to Augusto Pinochet's page; I changed the sentence "tortured 30,000 people, including women and children" to remove the 'women and', which you felt was not neutral. It may be so, though I'd like to explain myself; I feel in fact that writing 'including women' is in and of itself especially not neutral, as it implies that the same crime committed against a man, when committed against a woman, is somehow inherently worse. There's good reason to think that torturing children is much worse than torturing adults, of course, but to imply a crime against a woman is inherently worse, or even worth specifically differentiating from a crime against a man-- I feel that's the less than neutral point of view. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:39, 26 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Please check your facts before editing or reverting other people's work. This is not the first time you have acted in this manner.
:The books about the topic emphasize that women were tortured. Several tortured women have spoken about their experiences. Because of this emphasis, I think it is valid to tell the reader that women and children were also tortured. I think it is a matter of tilting at windmills to try and prove a point about torture not being worse for either gender, especially in an article about Pinochet. Whatever books discuss gender differences or similarities in torture should be taken to the ] page, not the Pinochet page which follows the general practice of the books about Pinochet. The mainstream global opinion is that it is worse to hurt women. It makes Pinochet have a worse reputation. ] (]) 21:46, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


] (]) 23:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== Look who's back: ==


:Keep the discussion centralized at ]. ] (]) 23:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
. See for instance and where he readded some slightly tweaked material from earlier socks. SPI coming up. ] (]) 11:34, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


== 2804:D45:962E:B900:8C3C:8A57:D4A6:AF18 adding death dates ==
:] but I may need help with more diffs. ] (]) 11:51, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for reporting that to AIV. I did some digging into the other IPs as well. They occupy a broad range: 2804:D45:9600:::0/40. I've seen primarily vandalism from that range for the past 3 years, adding death dates. Could you ping me when this recurs? I may want to consult with some other people to see what we should do to prevent future disruption, but I hesitate to put such wide range blocks down. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;] 00:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'll take a look. ] (]) 15:14, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
:Will do.
:The /40 range would be a good fit, with very little collateral damage. ] (]) 00:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::It appears that ] went ahead with a /64 block which appears safe. But if you look at the /40 range, ], it appears there are some good edits in there. I didn't check if somethinng between a /40 and a /64 might work. ] (]) 19:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


== Edit Warring ==
:::CU confirmed, no sleepers. Thanks for your deletion of the Mortenson stuff, I thought I'd searched for him before. ] (]) 16:30, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


] Your recent editing history at ] shows that you are currently engaged in an ]; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the ] to work toward making a version that represents ] among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about ]. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant ] or seek ]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary ].
::::He'll be back. I should have a regular alarm set, like once a month, to remind me to search for Terrance/Terry Mortenson insertions. ] (]) 16:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


'''Being involved in an edit war can result in you being ]'''&mdash;especially if you violate the ], which states that an editor must not perform more than three ] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;'''even if you do not violate the three-revert rule'''&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> ] (]) 04:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Vandalism ==


== Frenchie Vandal ==
Your recent revert at SPLC was not reverting vandalism. POV yes, but not even close to vandalism. Please use the AGF TW instead next time.&nbsp;&nbsp;]{{SubSup||]|]}} 18:44, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/148.252.145.11
:Do you really want to go to bat for ]? Have fun with that. ] (]) 19:27, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


Can this IP's edits be mass reverted? Is it possible? ] (]) 19:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::I care not for his edits. But I am asking you nicely as possible to please adhere to policy when reverting such POV edits.&nbsp;&nbsp;]{{SubSup||]|]}} 19:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


:::The editor did not have my good faith, so it would be hypocritical of me to revert him while claiming that I did it in good faith. That editor is a POV warrior who is not wanted on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 19:39, 27 December 2012 (UTC) :Yes and no. You can revert the IP per ], but you should look at the contribution and see whether it helps advance the encyclopedia. And if you simply revert the IP, you might leave previous Frenchie stuff in place, for instance at ] where I reverted a big group of Frenchie IPs at once rather than just reverting the latest one. ] (]) 19:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Is the Frenchie vandal serious on his promise to improve his behaviour on wikipedia? ] (]) 19:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::He has improved slightly in eight years; see ] for some examples of his past disruption. Many of the past disruptive patterns have been corrected. But his idea of improvement does not always fit with policy and manual of style. For instance, the Frenchie vandal nationality for a Black person, which can be confusing because "English" can also refer to ], the ethnicity which is of course light-skinned and called "White". If we say that the person holds British nationality then the confusion is absent. ] (]) 19:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry. ] (]) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


==Australian electrical engineers==
::::Then use a custom summary, but please stop using the vandalism summary unless it is clearly vandalism as described in ].&nbsp;&nbsp;]{{SubSup||]|]}} 19:46, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I've started a discussion here for your info. ]. ] (]) 00:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== {{noping|Dylan Florida}} ==
:::::Thank you for your advice. ] (]) 19:49, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


Just a heads up that he's active again today. I opened another SPI to hopefully get another rangeblock. . ] (]) 00:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Don't waste too much time arguing with "Little green rosetta". He showed up out of nowhere in August 2012 fully formed as a "new account" and went straight to ANI, AfD, and all the other places that newbies never, ever go. At first I thought it was playing the good hand, bad hand game, and at times I've been reminded of other editors, now gone. But the truth will out itself in time. As of now, the "Little green rosetta" account is tag teaming for Belchfire and a block sock puppet. We'll see how long they can keep this up before one of them slips up. It's only a matter of time before the veneer of civility and neutrality slips again. ] (]) 04:05, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for that. ] (]) 01:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hello. I don't understand what did I do wrong on my last edit on Jaska Raatikainen. Can you give me an explication? Loyal to Metal (talk) 07:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

You added influences with no references. Binksternet (talk) 13:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Greenwood

Hi, Could you please explain why you remove my edit? Rabbitsforever (talk) 19:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

KB edit

Hi! I noticed that you reverted my edits for the wiki page of Kathryn Bernardo. I overhauled the whole page as there are too many unnecessary info and clutter. I also corrected a lot of grammatical errors which I think devalues the page.

If you will compare my edit from the previous one, it is a big improvement as it is more coherent and concise. I also added present vital info as there are a lot that has been missed. If I may, I will revert my edits on that page as it took me hours to finish it. Rest assured that no critical info has been removed. Thank you. Itslouagain (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Whatever improvements you have planned for the biography, don't remove existing citations. The biography is supposed to be a summary of published material, and the citations represent that material. Binksternet (talk) 14:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
I will restore the sources on the previous edit. Thanks. Itslouagain (talk) 14:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Can I revert back my edit and restore back the sources previously present? I want to avoid edit warring so I'll ask for your permission. Itslouagain (talk) 14:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
You can copy the article into your userspace and work on it there. Your userspace sandbox would be at User:Itslouagain/sandbox. Binksternet (talk) 14:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
This is noted. All citations previously removed were restored. Page now grew to 77 references. Thanks. Itslouagain (talk) 14:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping so many of the previous citations. Binksternet (talk) 15:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Please add "progressive soul" back to the Isley Brothers article

Source 166.181.255.91 (talk) 23:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's in the source you linked, but they say the group "dabbled" in it, which is not a wholehearted assertion of genre.
In any case, the genre "progressive soul" must be discussed in the article body before it can be listed in the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 23:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Then add it to the body. 166.181.255.91 (talk) 00:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Robert Christgau also referred to the Isleys as a progressive soul group in the 1970s. 166.181.255.91 (talk) 00:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Shane McRae edits

Hello I saw you reversed my edits on the Misplaced Pages pages for Shane McRae and Bad Teacher crediting him for a minor role in the unrated version of the film. I assume this is because he’s not credited on IMDB so I didn’t provide a source, but I actually looked at his page again and saw this photo still of him from the film from the scene in the unrated version of the film. Is this enough source to add the film to his page and the credits section of the Bad Teacher page? 2600:6C47:BCF0:9440:1B7:1B7F:B1C6:C415 (talk) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts. If the fact hasn't been published, it is not for Misplaced Pages. We are not here to figure out all the missed stuff and make sure it gets in. Binksternet (talk) 22:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You've Got To Hide Your Love Away

I've undone your removal of the Beach Boys' cover from the "cover versions" section as they did do a cover of this song, on a top 10 charting album, and there are citations provided which confirm this. There was no good reason to remove this info. 2603:8000:AC00:4300:99C2:F5DB:AC50:72B9 (talk) 18:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:SONGCOVER is the good reason. The cover version doesn't get a boost from being on a Top 10 album; it has to be judged on its own merit. At the bare minimum, the cover version should be described as extraordinary by the media. Any charting cover version is certainly included. Binksternet (talk) 22:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Maybe if we were talking about a less notable group, but it seems to me that the fact that specifically The Beach Boys - being the most successful American band (of the decade and possibly of all time) and specifically in 1965 at the peak of their popularity and much-ballyhooed rivalry with The Beatles - recorded and released a cover of a Beatles song on an album that went to #6 in the US and #3 in the UK is noteworthy enough to warrant a sentence's mention on the song's page. It feels like a glaring enough omission NOT to include it that while reading this page I went "oh wow why isn't that here? I'll be a diligent Misplaced Pages user and add it." But since that's not enough for you (and apparently you're the ultimate arbiter here?) it was also released as a single in Japan in 1966 and here are two reviews which mention it as a standout track on the album and HERE are two Beatles(not Beach Boys)-centric websites which mention it outside of the context of the album . Can that be it please? 2603:8000:BDF0:B930:14DA:9FFB:7925:E78D (talk) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
I don't pretend to be the arbiter but I am quite active on Misplaced Pages, so my viewpoint gets more visibility.
The thing about the prominence of the Beach Boys is that, if their version of the song "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" wasn't mentioned by the media, then it was judged less important by the media. We would be giving it undue weight if we list it. The fact that the song was released as a single isn't good enough for WP:SONGCOVER. The single must have charted somewhere to be important. Binksternet (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Their version of the song was mentioned by the media, in the examples I provided as well as others. Even if it is "less important" than the original song (an impossible metric for any cover of a Beatles song to top), that doesn't mean it doesn't merit a mention in the article. Nowhere in the song cover guidelines does it say that a cover version must have charted as a single to be considered noteworthy. I'll quote your response to the user above: "Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts." It is a published fact that The Beach Boys, an extremely notable band, released a cover version of this song, which was also released as a single and has been discussed, as I've now provided multiple links attesting to. Per the songcover guidelines, a cover should EITHER be "discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right. Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc. is not sufficient" OR meet the requirements for a standalone page. I'm not trying to create a standalone page for this or act like it deserves one. But I am providing much more evidence than the examples listed in the guidelines as insufficient ("an album track listing or discography"). This satisfies the first of the two criteria listed, which in and of itself is sufficient to merit its inclusion in the article. It would not be giving it "undue weight" but an entirely appropriate mention. In fact, I can go to many, many other musician's pages and find dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of less notable cover songs than this one being included, without issue. Since it bothers you so much and you've decided it's your prerogative, why haven't you gone and cleaned house on every other music page? You are pretending to be the arbiter here - the fact that you do this a lot doesn't mean that you're not doing it. You are being willfully obtuse and overly proscriptive in your own personal interpretation of these guidelines - to what end I can't imagine, unless it's to satisfy some personal bias. A cursory Google search of your username shows that you have quite a reputation as something of a Misplaced Pages bully, who uses the pretense of neutrality to inject your own personal bias into articles - and looking deeper into your edit history confirms this to be true. Given that, it's clear that there's no way I'm going to get you to do a 180 and admit that you're wrong here, and you'll just keep removing valid edits until people get fed up and leave - so that's what I'm doing, congratulations you win again. But I'll leave you with this: I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you didn't actually set out to codify your personal biases and beliefs in a space that's supposed to be a public resource of neutral information, and that you do in fact believe that you're acting in good faith in defense of said neutrality. Based on your edit history and your rightly-earned reputation, I would suggest that you might consider that you've lost sight of your (correct and ultimately noble) goal and have let your personal biases get in the way of doing what you clearly see as your job - to the detriment of Misplaced Pages and its reputation as a source of information. Nobody in the world is perfect, but you seem to have an entirely inflated and unhealthy sense of your own infallibility, which doesn't serve you (or anyone else) well. Just food for thought. 2603:8000:BDF0:B930:BAB7:4F59:D434:549 (talk) 01:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Sticking to what you did, your second edit which included two references was still a violation of WP:SONGCOVER. The Slowinski credit in the AV media citation doesn't refer to any prose analysis by Slowinski saying that this cover version was extraordinary in some manner. Instead, Slowinski and Boyd are credited as the researchers who figured out which song contained which musicians from which recording sessions. The songs are not praised or panned in a critical review, just listed in order as part of the album. That's not enough to get through the SONGCOVER requirement. Your second citation is an example of the song being performed live in concert, which again is not enough to increase its importance for Misplaced Pages to notice. Three things can convey importance: chart success, a major award nomination, or critical commentary in books, newspapers, magazines, etc.
Now about my actions: Misplaced Pages's original intent was to summarize a topic's most important points for the reader. It was never meant as a full and complete collection of every fact about a topic. Misplaced Pages's current policy continues with this idea: Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not says that the online encyclopedia "does not aim to contain all the information, data or expression known on every subject." There are other websites trying to fill that gap, for instance secondhandsongs is attempting to list every song cover no matter how obscure. Misplaced Pages's refusal to include every fact is the spirit which drives my removal of the lesser known song covers from song articles. Binksternet (talk) 05:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Willow Smith

You're calling me out on “awful sourcing” and restored a version that uses a damn YouTube video as a source. Is this a joke? ThisIs00k (talk) 17:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I got that one backwards. Sorry. Binksternet (talk) 17:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Another User:MariaJaydHicky sock?

Hi there Binksternet, I came across some edits from the above User:ThisIs00k today and noticed that it felt very familiar to this LTA: WP:LTA/MJH. A bit of genre warring / changes going on, and a heavy focus on R&B music articles. I have already published an SPI report over here, but anyways would you agree with my findings that this is another likely sock of MariaJaydHicky? — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, someone's sock. It's also too close to the existing username User:This0k and should be blocked as a spoof. Binksternet (talk) 02:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
That is not me. This0k (talk) 06:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Unhelpful edit summaries

I don't think "Nope nope nope" and "Rv image vandalis," are helpful edit summaries when reverting good faith edits, which is what these appear to be. Is there something I'm missing here? — Qwerfjkltalk 18:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Loosen up. Those edit summaries were meant to alert longstanding editors that consensus was being violated. I'm not going to change my style for the few times I choose to sound the alarm. Binksternet (talk) 18:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
And why would longstanding editors need to be alerted? I'm just saying, a less bitey approach might have been better. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Question about an author and his book

Hey. It's been a minute. I was pressed about this author by the name of Ian Hall and his books on One-Hit Wonders of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s and whether or not he could be used as a source for the List of One-Hit Wonders in the United States wiki page. He is from Scotland and now lives with his wife in Topeka, Kansas. His book includes chart data from different countries, primarily building off of the Billboard Hot 100 in the states. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 22:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

The problem with his books is that they are self-published through CreateSpace. That means WP:USERG is the applicable guideline. The books are not considered a reliable source unless Ian Hall can be argued as a notable expert on music topics. Is he famous for music analysis or criticism? Binksternet (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
I can't say he's famous from the looks of it. Even if he knows his stuff really well. I could be inaccurate on that though. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 02:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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A need for some privacy

Could I contact you via e-mail over a Misplaced Pages editing matter concerning another editor, that I think should not be open for all to see, at least for the time being ? Nothing too sinister or deep, but you know how it goes. Or you can contact me on derekrbullamore@yahoo.co.uk, whichever suits you. Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I will ping you offline. Binksternet (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I presume you mean off-Wiki ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
You presume correctly. Binksternet (talk) 20:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Am not surprised to see an old favourite editor, and a new favourite, collaborating. Cheers, both. Press on. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 05:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hey friend.

You might look back to the Tehanu article, and the hodge-podge "Focus, pacing, style, and interpretation" section. There is a lot of unsourced essay content there, that I simply can't bold-edit away myself (because editing from IP, and knowing what it likely will trigger). And good working alongside you today. Cheers. A former logging editor and Prof. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 05:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Cheers. I'll take another look. Binksternet (talk) 06:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
I restored the shorter plot section that I had copyedited. Per WP:NOVELPLOT, the plot section should not exceed 700 words. Per MOS:PLOT, the plot section is written in the narrative present, which is a change I enacted. If the plot is very briefly summarized elsewhere, for instance in the lead section, then this summary is written from the author's perspective. Binksternet (talk) 06:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
I support your redactive edits to move Tehanu away from its overly long Plot, to hit ca. 700 words. I would argue that the Plot now opens with a name of principle character only revealed with certainty later in the novel—at open, only hints appear tht the principle character is Tenar; she is identified as Goha. I think the Plot summary should use Goha, until the point in the narrative that it is revealed that Goha is the preceding novel's Tenar. (But I will not be the one to even partially revert your edit.) And still believe that the "Focus, pacing, style, interpretation" section should get your honing attention (for it contains a lot of unsourced editorial content). Cheers. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 10:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

808s & Heartbreak

It's look like MariaJaydHicky is genre warring in 808s & Heartbreak . TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 07:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Socking as a lifetime career. Binksternet (talk) 07:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Do we have research into what motivates LTAs? In this case someone made an attempt at some point User_talk:MariaJaydHicky2. Polygnotus (talk) 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
It would benefit the community greatly to know what is their motivation. We might be able to use that information to redirect their energies.
That particular discussion in your link showed that MJH was pleading innocent at the same time she was block evading with IPs and socks. Pop psychology suggests that this kind of lying comes from narcissism's disconnect with shame or guilt. Anna Frodesiak tried to guide MJH gently toward Wikia, but MJH ignored the hint. I don't know what we could say or do to get a narcissist to go away to spend their time elsewhere. Binksternet (talk) 17:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't have much faith in pop psychology. But would surprise me if no one has researched this topic yet. I'll ask around. Polygnotus (talk) 20:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thank you for your infinite patience when efficiently dealing with the Long-time abusers over at WP:AFC/R and at your own talk page. LR.127 (talk) 14:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! Appreciated. Binksternet (talk) 21:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Interesting concept. I'll take advantage some day. Binksternet (talk) 01:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Quick question

So there's this LTA by the name of User:MidAtlanticBaby who has been going around and copy-pasting some story usually attacking other editors or seeking attention from admins and whatnot, over and over and over again, across the help desk, teahouse and various other help forums or noticeboards (example diff). I've noticed that the "Demographics vandal" you've been dealing with lately also does something incredibly similar as well, where they repeatedly spam some big block of text on the help desk and/or teahouse, which all later have to be revdelled just like MAB's posts. I've never seen any of the posts by the demographics vandal for myself before, so I'm not exactly sure as to whether these two names are two different people or not. I'm quite very familiar with MAB but not so much with the demographics vandal. Anyway, can you confirm with me whether these are two different persons? That's all. Thanks! — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

The person I call the Demographics vandal is a complex case, with more than one area of interest. I wouldn't be surprised to find they have other disruptive behavior patterns than the ones listed at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Demographics vandal.
I've seen some of the MAB disruption but I haven't studied it. I cannot confirm these are two different people. Binksternet (talk) 06:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
I see, got it. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Inquiry about an article created at the English language Vikidia

Good morning! My name is Christian, and I'm an administrator on the English language children's encyclopedia called Vikidia. This morning, an article has been created, by someone using your WP username, and it's about you.

Could I ask if you have authorised this, please? If not, the article will be deleted as a violation of BLP. It features material taken word for word, from your userpage here, and is unsourced.

Many thanks for your attention, Dane|Geld 09:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I did not authorize it. Thank you in advance for deleting it. Binksternet (talk) 14:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) DaneGeld, I see it has not been deleted yet, and the user "Binksternet" should surely be blocked. They have now made a second edit; note the edit summary. Bishonen | tålk 19:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
Thanks, I'll remove it now, and indef the creator. Sorry for the delay! Dane|Geld 19:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
To confirm, the user / vandal impersonating you at the English Vikidia has been indefinitely blocked for impersonation, our recent change logs indicate you did not authorise the article, and that too has been deleted and create protected to admin only. The userpage has been wiped, and the contents of the user's edit summaries have been suppressed within our logs.
I'd like to apologise for the delay in dealing with this, but I have been without internet for part of today, and been unable to get on here. If you ever wish to have a presence on the site, please leave a message on my talk page here, and I'll unlock the userpage and its associated talk, as well as unblock the account. With regards, Dane|Geld 20:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt action. I will consider your kind offfer. Binksternet (talk) 20:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Origin of the term "Lost Cause"

You're right that I did too much original research. I'll try to redo it referencing this source that has good info, including a section on the origin of the term and several of the sources I included. https://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2444&context=theses That thesis suggests that Pollard might have picked up the term from an article in a rival Memphis paper in 11/16/1865, but I have a source that shows he used the term himself a day earlier than that. Pollard himself wrote in 1872 that he suggested the title to the publisher, but he was using the term himself even before the book was written. I don't have the Ulbrich book, but will try to get a copy. Brooklinehistory (talk) 21:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, and thanks for having a good attitude. Binksternet (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

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"Too specific" isn't a real standard. Don't randomly delete content without attempting discussion please.

Hi. This is regarding your deletion of the section on the Sonoma County, California page. There is a section on the talk page for discussion, but you did not participate, either before, during, or after your deletion. Although it appears to be a common practice to delete the edits and additions of newcomers, it is still against Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines. Please follow the rules. If you're going to assert that content should be deleted, discuss it on the talk page. I did that, multiple times in fact. I was very patient. I was very careful. I spent a lot of time, and did a lot of work. "Too specific" is not a real standard, and I do intend to revert your edit. Magnolia did in fact consistently blatantly and deliberately violate Misplaced Pages's rules. The fact that there was an actual torture ring conducted by the Sonoma County government is in fact notable, whether or not people think it should be covered up is irrelevant. The fact that the person who organized the lawsuit against the County for the torture ring in 2015 was shot in the face with a crowd control "stingball" grenade is also notable. Again, please respect Misplaced Pages's rules. I don't know how much simpler I can put it. Don't delete content without participating in discussion. There has been a section on the talk page for more than 18 months. I put it there, to give people a forum to discuss the sections that I eventually added, after diligence, and patience. 18 month old invalid arguments do not weigh on consensus. Bad faith deletions do not weigh on consensus. "Too specific" isn't even applicable, firstly, and secondly it's plainly not a real standard. It's not valid. The content is notable, and is properly sourced. Merely throwing in your hat with Magnolia to cover up extremely heinous acts of brutality because you personally want the article to read like a tourist brochure does not weigh on consensus. You need a valid reason. The fact that you didn't participate in the talk page seems to implicate a lacking thereof. The page is about the County. The content relates to the County and it is not reasonably disputable that it should be in the article, if the article is to be considered objective. The article is not a tourist brochure.Isonomia01 (talk) 11:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

History of Chinese Americans

I'm not going to revert your edit, but I will argue that the text added to History of Chinese Americans is inappropriate. Beyond the simple problems of bolding of headers, meta-analysis like " While the page currently focuses on the legislative details, it is essential to explore the broader social and political dynamics that led to its passage." is a discussion of the page and should be on the talk page, not in the article. I also suspect that quite a lot of that text is a copyvio and it has some fairly serious WP:NPOV issues. Can you take a closer look? Thanks, Opolito (talk) 07:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'll look. I guess we had an edit conflict, but I didn't get a notice saying so. I thought the person's contribution was very flawed and so I removed the worst bits. You thought it was very flawed and removed all of it. I might end up agreeing more with your solution. Binksternet (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

WTF DUDE????

Dude Why TF are u reverting my edits. The video clearly is credible as MrBeast shows proof himself and u literally did not look at it HiGuys69420 (talk) 21:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I did look at it, and what I saw was some clowning around in the studio. But the single actually has MrBeast credited on Hi Hat, so you got me there. Binksternet (talk) 22:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Flag Icons for 1920's Time Magazine Covers

Is the flag icons next to names on the list of time magazine articles not the correct format? I saw you also removed the flags for the other covers as well. Bicufo (talk) 12:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

As I understand MOS:FLAG and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Icons, the flag should only be used if the person is coming to the list as a representative of their country, for instance athletes coming to the Olympics would show the flag of the country they are competing for. If a list of people is not associated with official representation of the country, then flags are not appropriate. Or if multiple politicians got together to discuss world affairs, they might be shown with the flag they represent. The Time magazine cover is not an athletic competition and it's not a convention of international politicians. Binksternet (talk) 15:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to need some evidence for this claim

I am not "evading" anything. Now surely for you to accuse me of block evasion, you must have some real strong evidence, chief. Let's have it. 166.181.250.216 (talk) 22:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Sugar Bear/Archive which lists a ton of IPs in your range, and identical behavior. Binksternet (talk) 22:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Possible sock puppet of MariaJaydHicky

I don't know if this user is related to MariaJaydHicky, but it appears to be the case . TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 09:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I see gaming the system of protection by gaining autoconfirmed status then immediately reverting a protected page, in this case the Nicki Minaj bio four days after first registering, showing in this edit that the user has been here before the hip hop article was moved from Hip hop music to Hip-hop which happened on December 2. The user account was created on December 17, so if they were a completely new user, they would only know the hyphenated hip-hop link, and they wouldn't try and correct it. Binksternet (talk) 16:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Your recent edits make no sense.

The other day, I added the punk rock categories to the pages for speed metal and death metal, but you removed them. After reading the pages for those genres, I saw no mention of hardcore punk, so I removed them from the Hardcore punk template, but you added them back. What is the meaning of that? 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C9F4:40DD:A5FB:6428 (talk) 22:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Your genre edits have been based on looking around at other Misplaced Pages articles. I have pointed this problem out repeatedly to you, saying that other Misplaced Pages articles cannot be considered reliable per WP:USERG. Back in 2021 I advised you to read some musicology books instead, but you don't appear to be able or willing to do this. That's why I have a giant bug up my ass about your edits. Binksternet (talk) 04:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Like I said, though, the pages for speed metal and death metal say nothing about hardcore punk, nor does the page for progressive rock say anything about electronic rock. I've seen you revert my edits for similar reasoning. 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27 (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Here you are again referring to Misplaced Pages pages as reliable sources. ARGHH. Binksternet (talk) 16:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
It was a lack of sources I was going on. 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27 (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Various questions .. but for starters ..

Why would you revert the italicization of hazzan. And why do it with zero edit summary - do you really believe it to be vandalism? 184.153.21.19 (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You added a borough right next to the note that says no boroughs. Binksternet (talk) 15:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Why if you disagree with that would you revert all of the other - I think facially proper - edits? And why without an edit summary. I thought we are supposed to use an edit summary, in particular when reverting non-vandalism (and of course where it is confusing as most of the material you reverted you have not mentioned you had a problem with). And (please tell me .. I'm just unaware of it) is there a rule against reflecting someone was born in Brooklyn? As we do in Sandy Koufax and Jay-Z and Michael Jordan and Joan Rivers? Also, less important I imagine, what is the thinking (Brooklyn is as large as many cities and has a character perhaps different than some of the other NYC boroughs), and will you delete Brooklyn from those bios as well? Thank you. --184.153.21.19 (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Template:Infobox_musical_artist#birth_place says to list the city. People have interpreted that to mean nothing below the city level, as some rappers were starting to list which neighborhood or even which apartment project. Local consensus at David Draiman was clearly and explicitly against listing the borough, so you would want to take the issue up with the frequent participants there. Binksternet (talk) 15:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 224, December 2024

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I forgot to ping you

Regarding this discussion. I know it sounds nuts, but you may want to withdraw Jane Fonda's Workout from the current GAN listing for nine months or so, because at that time it will be eligible for DYK for a second time in five years, per the new rules. Just something to consider. FWIW, if you decide to do that, I would be happy to review it at that later date. Viriditas (talk) 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I was away from the keyboard for too long to respond in time. Binksternet (talk) 01:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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Now Yearbooks not announced

I have one concern. Why aren't the Now Yearbooks announced yet? Renebird100 (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Because they haven't got around to it? I don't know. If you're talking about this unsupported edit of yours with question marks for the year, then the answer is that you have not provided a supporting citation to show that Now Music is releasing another yearbook. It's too soon. Don't stick conjecture into the encyclopedia. Binksternet (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Correcting Mistakes On Misplaced Pages

I'm here to correct misinformation on here. 148.252.144.128 (talk) 19:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm upset with you for not taking corrections all the time any time every time for good today. I'm fed up. I correct misinformation here. 148.252.144.128 (talk) 20:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Since you are effectively banned because of a long history of abuse and block evasion detailed at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Frenchie vandal, you cannot participate on Misplaced Pages at all. Your new IP range of Special:Contributions/148.252.144.0/21 will likely be blocked. Binksternet (talk) 20:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Binksternet I regret abusing Misplaced Pages when I wasn't thinking. 148.252.144.128 (talk) 20:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm sorry for a long history of abuse and regret having a block envasion detailed at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Frenchie vandal. 148.252.144.128 (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Disorder in the Falkands War

Happy New Year, Binks. Long time no talk. These pages:

All misspell Falklands in their titles. I tried to fix, but it looks to be above my paygrade.

Season’s cheer.  R/ the JMOprof ©¿©¬ 21:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Cheers to you and Happy New Year. Binksternet (talk) 21:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Belated thanks. I forgot about the talk pages. Didn’t realize they were separate entities.
New topic: Isn’t one of your specialties Australian forces in World War 2?
 R/ the JMOprof ©¿©¬ 18:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Edward Furlong

If you had checked the article references and the talkpage before reverting, you would have seen that most of the biographical material is already in the existing cites. In particular the People Magazine article from August 1991. The point about his surname is re-confirmed in the interview link which I added to the references section. Which you also removed.

The other edits regarding his work are all already supported in the cited material and are nearly all minor copyedits for clarity and garmmar.

Please check your facts before editing or reverting other people's work. This is not the first time you have acted in this manner.

172.97.154.59 (talk) 23:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Keep the discussion centralized at Talk:Edward Furlong. Binksternet (talk) 23:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

2804:D45:962E:B900:8C3C:8A57:D4A6:AF18 adding death dates

Thanks for reporting that to AIV. I did some digging into the other IPs as well. They occupy a broad range: 2804:D45:9600:::0/40. I've seen primarily vandalism from that range for the past 3 years, adding death dates. Could you ping me when this recurs? I may want to consult with some other people to see what we should do to prevent future disruption, but I hesitate to put such wide range blocks down. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 00:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Will do.
The /40 range would be a good fit, with very little collateral damage. Binksternet (talk) 00:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
It appears that User:Rsjaffe went ahead with a /64 block which appears safe. But if you look at the /40 range, Special:Contributions/2804:D45:962E:B900:0:0:0:0/40, it appears there are some good edits in there. I didn't check if somethinng between a /40 and a /64 might work. EdJohnston (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Edit Warring

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Your recent editing history at 2024 United States presidential election in Indiana shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. MrJ567 (talk) 04:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Frenchie Vandal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/148.252.145.11

Can this IP's edits be mass reverted? Is it possible? Theofunny (talk) 19:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes and no. You can revert the IP per WP:EVADE, but you should look at the contribution and see whether it helps advance the encyclopedia. And if you simply revert the IP, you might leave previous Frenchie stuff in place, for instance at Draft:Serious Truth where I reverted a big group of Frenchie IPs at once rather than just reverting the latest one. Binksternet (talk) 19:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Is the Frenchie vandal serious on his promise to improve his behaviour on wikipedia? Theofunny (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
He has improved slightly in eight years; see Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Frenchie vandal for some examples of his past disruption. Many of the past disruptive patterns have been corrected. But his idea of improvement does not always fit with policy and manual of style. For instance, the Frenchie vandal recently changed "British" to "English" nationality for a Black person, which can be confusing because "English" can also refer to English people, the ethnicity which is of course light-skinned and called "White". If we say that the person holds British nationality then the confusion is absent. Binksternet (talk) 19:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry. 148.252.132.217 (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Australian electrical engineers

I've started a discussion here for your info. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Engineering#Category:Australian_electrical_engineers. LibStar (talk) 00:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Dylan Florida

Just a heads up that he's active again today. I opened another SPI to hopefully get another rangeblock. . Home Lander (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Binksternet (talk) 01:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)