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The generic problem is that we are often very obscure about what we do in blocking. I asked Coren about the block, the summary just says "not here to build an encyclopedia", and I did not get pointed to the AN/I case, just some general "he's a bad 'un" verbiage. Even now this is vague - the AN/I someone pointed to edit as a reason for blocking. It seems pretty innocuous to me.
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So really Jaguar and I are left wondering, exactly what Pen is blocked for. I have never asked for him to be unblocked, for precisely this reason. (Though I have had two bad talk page blocks removed.) It seems to me that without a clear statement of the reason for the block, the blockee is left with no recourse, including the "standard offer".
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:Rich, I'll see if I can find a better answer for you. I read the original ANI case, and it looks like the user was only around to stir up drama and cause disruption.--v/r - ]] 15:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
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Apologies for bothering you. Following up your close of the AN/I indicated in the linked post, the editor in question has again warned me that I may be blocked. See . This is becoming disruptive, has gone on for some time, and continues despite the AN/I and despite your close. I've asked the editor to stay off my talkpage in the past, as he has been uncivil, but he has ignored my request. Many thanks.--] (]) 02:31, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:Epeefleche - I hate to disappoint, but I don't think that ANI thread applies in this case. The ANI thread was about unsourced content. In this case, there was a source even if it was a primary source. I don't think I can help here unless I have missed something.--v/r - ]] 02:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::Actually, it was (again) wholly unsourced content. See .--] (]) 02:49, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Actually both the previous ANI case and this case refer to unsourced '''''but easily source-able''''' content. The problem is that Epeefleche is not doing the three seconds of googling required to find the source, which is suggested by ], ] and ]. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">'''&tilde;]'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</span> 02:50, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Danjel - the ANI thread closed saying that the google search is not required. The ] per ] is on the person wanting to keep content; not the challenger. Epeefleche, it was said that a google search isn't hard to do. As we stand now, a source has now been added, the process works, and you two should not be throwing warnings at each other.--v/r - ]] 02:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::The process as you describe does not work. Your closing comments effectively assigned me the responsibility of wikistalking Epeefleche and restoring easily sourced content, and I reject this. I only notice Epeefleche's edits when they occur within my watchlist, as occured this time. However, the scope of Epeefleche's actions exceed this.
:::::For example, ] recently restored () content deleted by Epeefleche () about ]'s '''''main campus''''', information that is very obviously easily found using the minimum of effort with google. ] states that where an editor "think the material is verifiable", then an attempt should be made to find a source.
:::::I asked at ] (the first target of Epeefleche's that I noticed, because it's on my watchlist) whether Epeefleche genuinely questioned the veracity of the content that he was deleting and he said "yes", so he believes that a school ''doesn't'', in fact, provide for primary middle and secondary students? That Murdoch University ''doesn't'' have a main campus? In both cases, as with many other similar cases raised, the material deleted was '''''not''''' dubious or doubtful and easily found, therefore it's a disruptive breach of editing policy. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">'''&tilde;]'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</span> 03:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::No, they don't. The community consensus was that Epeefleche's actions are acceptable to the community per ]. Under no grounds does that grant you any authority, obligation, or exception to stalk his edits. That you do not like the process is not at all anyone's concern. It works, as has been demonstrated. If you have anymore concerns about Misplaced Pages's verifiability policy, you should address them at ].--v/r - ]] 13:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::You said in your closing remarks that "the burden is on Danjel to find a source for the content." So you effectively said that it was my responsibility to do what Epeefleche does not, for all the articles where he does not spend 3 seconds googling for an easily sourceable piece of content, I should because "the burden is on ". I reject this, utterly, as it is patently ridiculous to assign such a responsibility to anyone give a user licence to ignore the parts of ] and ] that he is too lazy to follow.
:::::::Personally, I'm only prepared to work in regards to my watchlist, but then, what about the other articles where Epeefleche has removed easily source-able content? The process has '''''inarguably''''' not worked there. For example, is it my responsibility to find a source for or are we meant to just write off that content? By the way, not that it's a category 1 premium RS, but: (go down to the fifth result - 10 seconds in google). What about the many others (just from the last 24 hours or so): , , , , , , . Where does my "burden" end, and Epeefleche's responsibility to fix easily fixable content and/or sourcing problems before deleting begin? <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">'''&tilde;]'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</span> 15:03, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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I remember that! I believe this was also the same day that Ford Island hit the front page for the first time too. Thank you! v/r - TP 14:57, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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