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I am a student at Cornell University currently working on developing a Wiki page for Ithaca Bakeries. I was wondering if you would mind looking over what we had already or would be interested in linking our page to yours. Here is the page under construction now: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Jrb374/Ithaca_Bakery_and_Collegetown_Bagels --] (]) 20:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC) |
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== <s>Boosterism</s> removal == |
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: ''Cornell is usually ranked among the top twenty universities in the world in a variety of rankings.'' |
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: ''Many of Cornell's schools have been consistently ranked as some of the top schools in the United States.'' |
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Despite clearly noting this issue in the edit history, ] is insistent on keeping these claims. The only argument he has offered in support for keeping them is that he believes they are true, which is irrelevant to the issue. --] (]) 23:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:I think you're taking this a little far. The comments are no different than on many university wiki articles. As "boosterism", it's exceptionally tame, *IF* it even qualifies as that. |
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* <nowiki>]</nowiki> The anchor (#Collections of books) is no longer available because it was ] before. <!-- {"title":"Collections of books","appear":{"revid":19534857,"parentid":19534783,"timestamp":"2005-07-24T22:46:36Z","removed_section_titles":,"added_section_titles":},"disappear":{"revid":533220974,"parentid":532886903,"timestamp":"2013-01-15T16:37:43Z","replaced_anchors":{"Paper and conservation issues":"Paper and conservation"},"removed_section_titles":,"added_section_titles":}} --> |
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<blockquote>''Cornell is usually ranked among the top twenty universities in the world in a variety of rankings.'' </blockquote> |
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:This is a factual statement. |
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<blockquote>''Many of Cornell's schools have been consistently ranked as some of the top schools in the United States.''</blockquote> |
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:This, too, is a factual statement. References can be found, but until then, maybe I'll add the {{fact}} template. I mean seriously, simply because a ref needs to be found has exactly zip to do with "boosterism", and these statement hardly qualify if at all. =//= ] 01:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC) |
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::The sentences don't really add much value to the encyclopedia, and ] invites us to "assert facts, not opinions" and to "avoid vague terms of praise" in pursuit of establishing a NPOV. Saying the university "is ''usually'' ranked" well is weak prose, as is saying "''many'' of Cornell's schools" rank well . —''''']''''' <sup>'']''</sup> 03:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:::First, there are many short sentences in many Wiki articles that "really don't add much", which is clearly a subjective statement in any case. However... |
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== Cornell Graduate Student Union == |
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:::Saying that something us "usually ranked..." at a certain level ''is not a random opinion''. Likewise, pointing out that Cornell's various colleges/departments are consistently ranked at a certain level ''is not a random opinion'', but rather a statement of something that exists as a fact or in this case some type of ranking or evaluation by a known and respected publication or organization that does such rankings. All that is missing is a proper reference, which can almost certainly be found. =//= ] 04:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC) |
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Given there is a mention of the rejected vote to unionize twenty years ago, it seems notable to reference the fact that another vote in 2023, displaying overwhelming support for unionizing, resulted in the formation of the CGSU. ] (]) 19:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:::: This game of parroting rankings to the point of ] within the article (above and beyond the fact they're statistical abstractions that are trivially gamed) and introducing ] into the article ignores the desperate need for attention to other glaring holes in the article. For instance, is there an undergraduate core curriculum that students take, or do they simply learn whatever's ranked highly in a magazine? I'm of the opinion the ranking section could be removed in its entirety and the quality of the article would actually be improved. ] (]) 06:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::Your view is classic POV. Rankings are a matter of public record just like every other subjective thing at Misplaced Pages. The standard is the acceptability of the reference. I'm sorry if you have a personal problem with Ivy League schools, that's your issue. I attended the University of Oregon, a ''public school''. But I'm not carrying any chips about those more fortunate than I who went to the "snooty" schools, and your issues have no relevance here. =//= ] 07:02, 19 January 2013 (UTC) |
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Given there is a mention of the rejected vote to unionize twenty years ago, it seems notable to reference the fact that another vote in 2023, displaying overwhelming support for unionizing, resulted in the formation of the CGSU. NyanarWelden (talk) 19:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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