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	== Just some typos ==

			== Original "Tea Party" VS RINO "Tea Party Patriots" ==
	Under Organization:

			During Ron Paul's bid for presidency, the "Tea Party Patriots" (red white & blue "Shield / flag" logo) ran an online discussion board called "Tea Party Patriots" - teapartypatriots.ning.com:
	"...notable politicians Republican politicians Ron Paul, his son Rand Paul,..."

			Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20101001205028/http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/
	should be

			They were the Republican RINO group that promoted Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney and actively demonized RON PAUL and his stands on Non-intervention, "End the Fed" positions etc. and dismissed the "Original" "Tea Party" members who followed Ron Paul as well as dismissing Ron Paul as "the crazy uncle" to derail the true Tea Party movement.
	"...notable Republican politicians Ron Paul and his son Rand Paul,..."

			RINO backed Radio hosts Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Mark Levin all slandered Ron Paul by dismissing him as "the crazy uncle".
	for clarity and correctness.

			At that time the (RINO) Republican Party would explain to the public at all the local republican headquarters that they were promoting Gingrich, Santorum and Romney and explained to people that "they", the Republican Party, "were" the "Tea Party".
	Under Agenda:
	Delete New York Times definition - They are far left and not factual or credible.
	NOT "anti-government", but anti "irresponsible" government

			This clever move by RINOs who derailed the Original RON PAUL "Tea Party" (for Constitutional Originalism) movement into the Republican "Tea Party Patriots" (Corporate Capitalist so called Conservative) movement. This occurred from 2007 to 2012.
	== Foreign policy ==

			I was active both on the teapartypatriots.ning.com discussion board defending Ron Paul as well as being active in the Ron Paul original "Tea Party" discussion board called the "Daily Paul" that promoted Ron Paul http://www.dailypaul.com:
	I've moved the following unsourced text here, with the hopes that someone could provide a reliable source citation for it:
	::''As a result, the Tea Party has shown it is largely distinct from the ] and ] viewpoints on foreign policy, while not totally endorsing the non-interventionist approach of the ] and ]. Some Republicans with links to the Tea Party, however, like ] and ] have embraced the neoconservative foreign policy through their votes on bills such as these.''
	It appears to be a conclusion of sorts, but I don't see it conveyed by the two "vote list" sources that precede it. Any help? ] (]) 18:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

			Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20080701000000*/http://www.dailypaul.com
	== Cspan caller to Norm Ornstein Called for Tea Party Early February ==

			I and others battled the RINO's on the "Tea Party Patriot" discussion board for months in support of Ron Paul and to educate others to who the "Tea Party Patriots" were and what they were doing.
	On Cspan early in February 2009, a caller from Minnesota called for a Tea Part movement for America during a segment with Norm Ornstein. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:37, 17 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			The present "Tea Party Patriots" may still be influenced or backed by Newt Gingrich (the RINO who allowed Bill Clinton to run over all of us in the west when he was Speaker), Rick Santorum ...and others, possibly still even Mitt Romney who the "Tea Party Patriots" Promoted in the 2012 Election.
	== The tobacco industry and the Tea Party ==

			Understanding the True "Tea Party" movement, (or even Trumps Movement, which follows many of Ron Paul's non-intervention and other policies) so the cause is not derailed again is important as RINO's will try to make "similarities" of "causes" to get close and then veer people in the wrong direction.
	*
	*Amanda Fallin, Rachel Grana, Stanton A Glantz,

			Links referring to Ron Paul Tea Party VS RINO's can be found on the old American Patriot Party (of Oregon) website: http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/
	{{cquote\|Background The Tea Party, which gained prominence in the USA in 2009, advocates limited government and low taxes. Tea Party organisations, particularly Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, oppose smoke-free laws and tobacco taxes.

			Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20120717105509/http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/
	Methods We used the Legacy Tobacco Documents Library, the Wayback Machine, Google, LexisNexis, the Center for Media and Democracy and the Center for Responsive Politics (opensecrets.org) to examine the tobacco companies’ connections to the Tea Party.

			Submitted by Richard Taylor, American Patriot Party: http://www.americanpatriotparty.com <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	Results Starting in the 1980s, tobacco companies worked to create the appearance of broad opposition to tobacco control policies by attempting to create a grassroots smokers’ rights movement. Simultaneously, they funded and worked through third-party groups, such as Citizens for a Sound Economy, the predecessor of AFP and FreedomWorks, to accomplish their economic and political agenda. There has been continuity of some key players, strategies and messages from these groups to Tea Party organisations. As of 2012, the Tea Party was beginning to spread internationally.

			:What exactly are you proposing to change in the article? The links you give are not ]. If you want to portray anybody in that movement as anything other than a crazy uncle (or aunt), you will probably encounter difficulties in finding reliable sources saying so. --] (]) 06:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
	Conclusions Rather than being a purely grassroots movement that spontaneously developed in 2009, the Tea Party has developed over time, in part through decades of work by the tobacco industry and other corporate interests. It is important for tobacco control advocates in the USA and internationally, to anticipate and counter Tea Party opposition to tobacco control policies and ensure that policymakers, the media and the public understand the longstanding connection between the tobacco industry, the Tea Party and its associated organisations.}}
	— ] 23:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

			== Original History of "Tea Party" Political Momentum ==
	The first items is about 6 levels below being a source and credibility. The second one has some real facts in it plus spun statements that don't follow from the facts listed. Sincerely, <font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 00:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
			Related to the links supporting the reference to the T-Party as the recent culmination of the tobacco direct enfluence on the democratic process here are a couple of links.
	:As usual, your comments are strictly partisan, have no relation to Misplaced Pages policy, and can be ignored as irrelevant. The academic journal article that the blog post describes and which the abstract summarizes is a reliable source of the highest order and will be used in this article. — ] 14:11, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
			https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/instance/4078698/bin/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815f01.jpg, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23396417/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-1-uid-0
	::Why don't you discuss without the baseless personal insults? More specifically:
			This also bears a relation to the reference to Ron Paul taking the chair of the CSE.
	::#On the first item, I was commenting on what you linked to (a clearly anti-TPM advocacy blog) not the item which you are now referring to but didn't link to.
			In an emmotionally neutral space where openness is encouraged and all viewpoints and participants are civil.
	::#On the second item, a link to the "TobaccoControl" web site, what I said is that the material on that web page it contained some factual items and some statements that didn't follow from those factual items.
			How have Philip Morris Brown & Williamson Lorillard RJ Reynolds furthered democracy with financial backing for Citizens for a Sound Economy, RJR Smokers’ Rights Groups, National Smoker Alliance, TASSC to enter a neutral political space where openness is encouraged and all viewpoints and participants are civil? ChatGPT: It is not accurate to say that Philip Morris, Brown & Williamson, Lorillard, and RJ Reynolds furthered democracy by providing financial backing to organizations such as Citizens for a Sound Economy, RJR Smokers’ Rights Groups, National Smoker Alliance, and TASSC.
	::How in your imagination do you get your "strictly partisan" crap out of that? Quit it! <font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 15:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
	:::Actually, I am being more polite and charitable than your comments warrant. No matter, I have already requested through my local public library a copy of the full text of the academic journal article. I suggest that you do the same. — ] 15:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
	::::I'll charitably skip to your second sentence. Sounds like a good idea to see what is in there. It might be good material. <font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 16:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
	:::::I love these correlation without causation studies. Some anti-TP people think that Big Tobacco must be behind the TP and then go look for anything that confirms their hypothesis. Finding anything then confirms their hypothesis. It might be more believable if the TP had been a notable participant in any big tobacco issues. I would be far more likely to believe that the TP was created by Big Oil, but that is just to passe to be of interest by the MSM. ] (]) 17:03, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
	::::::agreed, i first heard of the tea party in 2007 and was about income tax. ] (]) 18:41, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::The whole core of the TPM agenda and driving force of the movement is prioritizing less government, lower taxes, lower spending. A reader of this crap-hole attack piece of an article, where every possible piece of negative trivia has been gamed and battled in would think that it is about everything but those things. And a few people have work aggressively and tendentiously to prevent it rising from attack-piece junk status, and people have given up on fixng it. <font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 18:47, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::Well, if you can tell that a study is flawed without reading it, then I guess you don't need a copy of it. — ] 01:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::Please look up a few lines, I didn't say that. More specifically I said "Sounds like a good idea to see what is in there. It might be good material." <font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 02:53, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

			These tobacco companies have a long history of engaging in deceptive and manipulative practices to protect their profits and influence public policy in their favor. They have been known to fund and support organizations that advocate for policies that benefit the tobacco industry, such as opposing tobacco taxes and smoking bans, while downplaying the health risks of smoking and targeting vulnerable communities.
	Most Muslims claim their religion goes back to Adam instead of Mohammad. We do not accept this claim but merely note it and go with outside observation. We have outside academic observation that the Tea Party was created by non-profit groups founded and funded by corporate interests. Per NPOV, unless we find ''academic'' sources that present them as being a grassroots movement, we cannot present them as such. I've summarized the findings, and only cited the HuffPost article for verification that Citizens for a Sound Economy (mentioned even in the abstract). I could also cite the source that says the same thing at our article on CoaSE, but this source, which is about the study, is the most appropriate secondary source. ] (]) 14:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
	:The issue, of course, is that we're not required to use any source that comes around, especially if it doesn't pass the smell test. Per WP:V, it seems pretty controversial to add so far, and I would agree with its removal at the moment until we've got more information on it. ] (]) 14:24, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
	::''Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks'' are not the whole of the tea party, or even a majority. OR at best, POV pushing more likely. ''Nonprofit organizations associated with the Tea Party have longstanding ties to tobacco companies'' is the snippet sniped from the cancer study some unknown blogged about. weasel word alert; '''associated''', '''ties''', is a far cry from the edit you support. ] (]) 14:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

			While it is important for all voices to be heard in a democratic society, it is concerning when corporate interests use their wealth and power to sway public opinion and policy in their favor. It is crucial for citizens to be aware of these tactics and to critically evaluate the sources of information and influence in public discourse.
	== "Tobacco Control" ==
			<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)</small>

			== Trump not "President" in 2015! ==
	Is not a reliable source for making contentious claims about living persons. One eensy indication that it is not a "neutral source" is the bit:
	:''It is important for tobacco control advocates in the USA and internationally, to anticipate and counter Tea Party opposition to tobacco control policies and ensure that policymakers, the media and the public understand the longstanding connection between the tobacco industry, the Tea Party and its associated organisations. ''
	Sources which make clearly editorial comments are unlikely to meet Misplaced Pages requirements about contentious claims. ] (]) 14:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
	::It has a LOT of problems. An "F" grade source telling us what the "study" says, and it only talking about a tiny piece of the TPM, not the TPM. <font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 14:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

			A sourced sentence near the bottom of the article refers to President Donald Trump. The source was written in Aug. 2015 when he was one of numerous candidates. Even saying "future president" would not be a correct usage of the sourced material as he was a third-generation real estate investor at the time. If anything, it would only be correct terminology to say "businessman Donald Trump". ] (]) 12:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
	: is the website of the academic journal ''Tobacco Control''. It is unquestionably a reliable source of the highest caliber. That the article argues about what is important for tobacco advocates to do or to not do in order to be effective has absolutely no bearing on its status as a reliable source. — ] 15:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
			:Fixed. --] (]) 14:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
			::Thanks for the fix. ] (]) 15:48, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

			== Why "was"? ==
	:The journal is published by ]. — ] 15:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

			The related organizations – e.g., ] – still exist. Why are past tenses used in the article? ] (]) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
	::The "study" is based on Google and Wayback - and the journal is not a reliable source on ''political issues'' at all -- any more than the JAMA would be a reliable source on economics. No journal is "reliable" when it ventures far outside its actual sphere of expertise. ] (]) 16:11, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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Original "Tea Party" VS RINO "Tea Party Patriots"

During Ron Paul's bid for presidency, the "Tea Party Patriots" (red white & blue "Shield / flag" logo) ran an online discussion board called "Tea Party Patriots" - teapartypatriots.ning.com:

Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20101001205028/http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/

They were the Republican RINO group that promoted Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney and actively demonized RON PAUL and his stands on Non-intervention, "End the Fed" positions etc. and dismissed the "Original" "Tea Party" members who followed Ron Paul as well as dismissing Ron Paul as "the crazy uncle" to derail the true Tea Party movement.

RINO backed Radio hosts Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Mark Levin all slandered Ron Paul by dismissing him as "the crazy uncle".

At that time the (RINO) Republican Party would explain to the public at all the local republican headquarters that they were promoting Gingrich, Santorum and Romney and explained to people that "they", the Republican Party, "were" the "Tea Party".

This clever move by RINOs who derailed the Original RON PAUL "Tea Party" (for Constitutional Originalism) movement into the Republican "Tea Party Patriots" (Corporate Capitalist so called Conservative) movement. This occurred from 2007 to 2012.

I was active both on the teapartypatriots.ning.com discussion board defending Ron Paul as well as being active in the Ron Paul original "Tea Party" discussion board called the "Daily Paul" that promoted Ron Paul http://www.dailypaul.com:

Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20080701000000*/http://www.dailypaul.com

I and others battled the RINO's on the "Tea Party Patriot" discussion board for months in support of Ron Paul and to educate others to who the "Tea Party Patriots" were and what they were doing.

The present "Tea Party Patriots" may still be influenced or backed by Newt Gingrich (the RINO who allowed Bill Clinton to run over all of us in the west when he was Speaker), Rick Santorum ...and others, possibly still even Mitt Romney who the "Tea Party Patriots" Promoted in the 2012 Election.

Understanding the True "Tea Party" movement, (or even Trumps Movement, which follows many of Ron Paul's non-intervention and other policies) so the cause is not derailed again is important as RINO's will try to make "similarities" of "causes" to get close and then veer people in the wrong direction.

Links referring to Ron Paul Tea Party VS RINO's can be found on the old American Patriot Party (of Oregon) website: http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/

Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20120717105509/http://www.pacificwestcom.com/oregonpatriotparty/

Submitted by Richard Taylor, American Patriot Party: http://www.americanpatriotparty.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C55:7900:D9A:A828:65A4:C9FA:58 (talk) 23:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

What exactly are you proposing to change in the article? The links you give are not reliable sources. If you want to portray anybody in that movement as anything other than a crazy uncle (or aunt), you will probably encounter difficulties in finding reliable sources saying so. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Original History of "Tea Party" Political Momentum

Related to the links supporting the reference to the T-Party as the recent culmination of the tobacco direct enfluence on the democratic process here are a couple of links. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/instance/4078698/bin/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815f01.jpg, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23396417/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-1-uid-0 This also bears a relation to the reference to Ron Paul taking the chair of the CSE. In an emmotionally neutral space where openness is encouraged and all viewpoints and participants are civil. How have Philip Morris Brown & Williamson Lorillard RJ Reynolds furthered democracy with financial backing for Citizens for a Sound Economy, RJR Smokers’ Rights Groups, National Smoker Alliance, TASSC to enter a neutral political space where openness is encouraged and all viewpoints and participants are civil? ChatGPT: It is not accurate to say that Philip Morris, Brown & Williamson, Lorillard, and RJ Reynolds furthered democracy by providing financial backing to organizations such as Citizens for a Sound Economy, RJR Smokers’ Rights Groups, National Smoker Alliance, and TASSC.

These tobacco companies have a long history of engaging in deceptive and manipulative practices to protect their profits and influence public policy in their favor. They have been known to fund and support organizations that advocate for policies that benefit the tobacco industry, such as opposing tobacco taxes and smoking bans, while downplaying the health risks of smoking and targeting vulnerable communities.

While it is important for all voices to be heard in a democratic society, it is concerning when corporate interests use their wealth and power to sway public opinion and policy in their favor. It is crucial for citizens to be aware of these tactics and to critically evaluate the sources of information and influence in public discourse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiIndie (talk • contribs) 21:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Trump not "President" in 2015!

A sourced sentence near the bottom of the article refers to President Donald Trump. The source was written in Aug. 2015 when he was one of numerous candidates. Even saying "future president" would not be a correct usage of the sourced material as he was a third-generation real estate investor at the time. If anything, it would only be correct terminology to say "businessman Donald Trump". 173.23.42.9 (talk) 12:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. --Hob Gadling (talk) 14:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix. 173.23.42.9 (talk) 15:48, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Why "was"?

The related organizations – e.g., Tea Party Patriots – still exist. Why are past tenses used in the article? 93.45.229.98 (talk) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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