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January 12

Logged in on another device

Hello. I am ImperialAficionado, and i logged in on another device (my original device got crashed). I am leaving this messege because I want to let you know before me making edits on this device. I hope this won't be an issue :⁠-⁠) Imperial 03:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@ImperialAficionado: It's never an issue to use the same account on different devices. You can always use whichever device you want. It's the first time in 20 years here I have heard somebody be worried about it. If you think you heard something then it was probably about using multiple accounts (see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppetry) and not multiple devices. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:55, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Article title capitalization

I am having a hard time understanding how capitalization of articles works. In the article 2026 Alabama Attorney General election the words “attorney general” are capitalized but in 2026 Alabama gubernatorial election, the term “gubernatorial” is not. In what situations do terms like this get capitalized versus when they don’t? Thank you Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 04:23, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

As per WP:NCCPT, only the first letter of the first word or any proper names should be capitalized. So in this case, "Attorney General" is a proper name, whereas "gubernatorial" is an adjective and thus no capitalization. If you are unsure about capitalization in the future, you can also check how capitalization was done in the cited sources of that particular article. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 05:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 07:48, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

English is not my native language and it has always annoyed me how different and complicated "gubernatorial" is compared to governor. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Halvfems times as complicated. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:34, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Touché! For non-Scandinavians, the Danish word for 90 is halvfems, short for halvfemsindstyve which means half five times twenty, or (5 – 1/2) × 20. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

More at Danish_grammar#Vigesimal_system. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:52, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

January 13

Overusage of Citation

I'm currently writing an article regarding a military battle (Battle of Geumyangjang-Ri) with limited sources which can be cited. I've only been able to find one academic paper (can attach if requested) with somewhat comprehensive details of the battle. Other sources have limited/unimportant information or cannot be cited. Whats the point at which it becomes an issue to rely on one source? ExiaMesa (talk) 02:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

If you only have one reliable source, it's already a problem, as you haven't begun to approach notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:31, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

That was my secondary concern. Though based on my research its a moderately notable battle (not in terms of the Misplaced Pages guidelines), I think the lack of reliable english sources is contributable to the lack of US involvement. (The engagement occurred between an Turkish Brigade and PLA forces.) Is 2-3 sources sufficient or should I try a search into various romanizations and possibly turkish language sources. ExiaMesa (talk) 03:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

It is a battle about which war ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 02:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Korean War ExiaMesa (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

This Korean War ?

About the battle. Did you tried to find sources in Korean ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 03:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

If it was a battle that was a part of the Korean War than it might be appropriate as a section within the greater war, and a single reliable source might be sufficient, but it sounds like right now without more reliable sources a separate article might be problematic. TiggerJay (talk) 04:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree with @Tiggerjay Anatole-berthe (talk) 22:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I've since found a variety of sources (with the aid of a turkish friend). I appreciate your help. ExiaMesa (talk) 00:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

If there are sources whatever the language. It is a good thing. Anatole-berthe (talk) 01:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Filter log by namespace?

Special:Log has a bunch of filter options, but not one for namespace. Is it possible to only see log entries for a particular namespace, like how Special:NewPages does it? Thanks. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 11:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

It is not, and we've been asking since (at least) 2008 - there are a few combinations of parameters (primarily log type) that, combined with this, would make it unacceptably slow, and resistance to adding indices to fix that. There's support for doing it through the API (most recent deletions from mainspace, for example), and it can be queried for through Quarry or similar tools - and if you have specific queries you want to run, I can help with that - but adding it to the web interface would amount to a free denial-of-service attack. —Cryptic 09:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh wow, I didn't expect this to have been an issue for nearly 2 decades. I'll run a simple Quarry query then. Thanks for the reply! ''']''' (talk • contribs) 08:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I add a Polish-language article to the English Wiki?

Good morning! I am interested in Colonel Kazimierz Deszberg of the Austro-Hungarian Army in WWI and the Polish Army in the inter-war period. He is featured in the Polish Wiki at pl:Kazimierz Deszberg – Misplaced Pages, wolna encyklopedia though his biography is a bit incomplete. Can I simply do an English translation of that article, trim it up a little (a second marriage and a link to the article about Brygidki Prison where he was imprisoned before being murdered in the Katyn Forest massacres), and publish it complete with the Polish-language citations?

Thank you, and if there's a better place to ask, please point me there.... AVGbuff (talk) 12:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @AVGbuff. I'm afraid that the answer is probably "No"; but it depends on the quality of the citations in the Polish article. If enough of the sources cited there meet English Misplaced Pages's criteria for reliability, independence, and significant coverage of Deszberg to establish that he meets English Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability, then yes, you can simply translate it. (If there are equally good sources in English, it would be preferred to cite them rather than Polish ones, but Polish sources are perfectly acceptable if they are better than any English ones).

But most articles in other Wikipedias (and, to be honest, many articles in English Misplaced Pages) do not meet the current standards for sourcing, so will not be accepted as they stand.

General guidance is at WP:translation. ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

A translated article has to meet the same requirements as any other article, so Help:Your first article is relevant as well. TSventon (talk) 13:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

"Via" formatting/usage

Hi all, quick question about formatting the "via" in a web-based citation.

I'm using this open-source link for an exhibition catalogue for the artist Melvin Edwards published in 2019 (OCLC 1232485775) in the further reading section of an article. The link is a digitized version of the catalogue, seemingly scanned and uploaded from the Metropolitan Museum of Art's library. I have to assume they got the correct the permissions to digitize the catalogue and make it freely available given that library's size/expertise on these kinds of sources, so I think it would be appropriate to use that link, correct? But I wasn't sure if it was necessary to add a "via library..." to the citation to show where the link originated. Is that necessary here? Thanks all!

Here's how I think it would be formatted:

• Martins, Sérgio B. (2019). "Lines for Melvin Edwards' Painted Sculpture". In Jassan, Alejandro (ed.). Melvin Edwards: Painted Sculpture (PDF) (Exhibition pamphlet). New York: Alexander Gray Associates. pp. 5–9. ISBN 9780578604220. OCLC 1137340955. Retrieved 13 January 2025 – via Thomas J. Watson Library.

19h00s (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

What do you mean by open source? Did you mean free-to-read?

You are citing an exhibition catalog published by Alexander Gray Associates. When I click on the linked title, I end up at some more-or-less anonymous Amazon Web Services page without any apparent connection to the publisher. We use |via= to name the delivery service if different from the publisher so some sort of |via= is appropriate here. You could be right that the Amazonws page is 'owned' by the Metropolitan Museum of Art Thomas J. Watson Library. But, if I backtrack to http://libmma.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com I get a 404-not-found error so the 'owner' apparently doesn't care to explicitly identify themselves.

How did you get to the Amazonws page? Is there a landing page at either of the Metropolitan Museum of Art or Thomas J. Watson Library websites with a link that gets you to the Amazonws page? If yes, use that landing page url for |url= and name the museum or library (as appropriate) in |via=. That not being possible, I suppose that you are stuck with what you've got but the provenance isn't as good. You might want to make sure that the catalog is archived someplace.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

The WorldCat listing for the digital version of the catalogue describes the link as "open access", which is why I linked it in my question. That is where I got the link for this source. And it took me 5 seconds to Google "libmma" and realize that link was hosted via the Met's library, as confirmed by the listing in their catalogue. --19h00s (talk) 21:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Article_wizard/HowToDiscloseCOI

At least for me, there is a short description reading "Youngest Somali Writer is Mohamed Aden Ibrahim or Maxamed Aadan Samaysane he is the Author of Da'yartii Dunida book and more than 100 articles." I can't figure out which template this is coming from, could someone take a look? JayCubby 17:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Something on the Wikidata side. Believe I've removed it now. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. JayCubby 17:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Is there any chance this could be a problem on other pages? I'm basing that off this Wikidata entry including about a dozen other Wikipedias' COI disclosure wizard links. Is it possible to nominate an entire Wikidata entry for deletion? - Purplewowies (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Or the actual links have been removed and I'm just seeing a bit of garbage info near the top of the entry. Question still stands but I'm less worried about it affecting the wikis now. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

@Pickersgill-Cunliffe: Looks like the entry was supposed to be linked to those pages but someone thoroughly vandalized it. I've reverted to the last good version of the entry. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 17:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Adding a photo to our father's Misplaced Pages page.

We would like to add a photo to our dad's Misplaced Pages page. Can you please tell us how to do that? It is a photo of him (and our mother) standing beside the plaque in his honour at the RMC Wall of Honour in 2009. Here is a link for confirmation of that honour: https://www.rmc-cmr.ca/en/college-commandants-office/rmc-wall-honour-citations. Here is a link for his page: Paul David Manson. Thank you for your help. Citizen100 (talk) 17:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Who took the photo? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:37, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I see a COI from 6 years ago. Same subject (their "dad") . 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 19:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

What's your point? —Tamfang (talk) 21:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

That Citizen100 appears to contribute almost solely to their late father... With virtually all 20 edits having to do with the article on Paul. And in a way that clearly suggests that, unless disclosed absolutely, may still imply potential COI (and until 2023, a BLP kind). 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 22:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

@Citizen100 If you are the photographer, you are welcome to upload it, see Misplaced Pages:A picture of you (I'd use the Upload Wizard, but that's me). If someone else is the photographer, show them that page. Once the pic is uploaded, it can be added to the article, you can ask for help with that here, or if you like you can ask me on my talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

January 14

Age wrong? Date of birth correct.

Dorothi Fox shows "Born 8 January 1930 (age 94)". Shouldn't that be (age 95)? Boers1 (talk) 00:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. The wrong code was in the template, it's been fixed. Schazjmd (talk) 00:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Trying to add a category to a talk page

On all the vital articles pages, more specifically the talk pages, there are these categories on the bottom of the page (ex. Talk:The arts) B-Class level-1 vital articles Misplaced Pages level-1 vital articles in Arts B-Class vital articles in Arts. My question to you is I would like to edit the template so that it adds the broader category of Category:Misplaced Pages level-1 vital articles to each article at the appropriate level. Any idea on how I could do that? I hope I explained my query well. Interstellarity (talk) 00:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Interstellarity, there is a list at Misplaced Pages:Vital articles/Level/1, so I don't think adding the individual articles to Category:Misplaced Pages level-1 vital articles would be useful. TSventon (talk) 02:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Achieve the same effect that the TAB key achieves in word processing?

I MS word, I can get this effect using the TAB key:

A  This text is a certain distance from the left edge of the page.
     This text should be the SAME distance from the left edge of the page (but may be a bit off now).
B  This text is a certain distance from the left edge of the page.
     This text should be the SAME distance from the left edge of the page (but may be a bit off now).
How do I make a Misplaced Pages page look likek this? Thank you in advance. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 01:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Template:Indent might be what you're looking for. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks but no. Template Indent does not allow me to put the “A” and the “B” on the first and third lines of my example above. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 08:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

I can think of, hm, at least three ways to format text like that, depending on what it's supposed to convey semantically - a list of two items each split by a linebreak, a list of four items with no list marker on #2 and #4 and an explicit value on #3, and a table. They're all kind of clumsy and I don't think any of them would be appropriate in articles. What specifically are you trying to do? —Cryptic 09:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thansk for responding. You can see what I am trying to do in an article that I have only worked on in Swedish at the moment. Please go to Högstenagaldern  by clicking “sv”. Please go to section “Radikal nytolkning”. There you will see four lines in a runic inscription. It means side A, line 1, side A, line 2, side B, line 1, side B, line 2. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 09:36, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

{{Ordered list}} does what you want. Example:

1. 1. kalanta uiþr kalkla uiþr riþa‐ta uiþ
   2. uiþr rinanta uiþr salianta ui‐
2. 1. r sikn--a uiþr f-ranta uiþr f̣liuh
   2. a͡nta s-̣-a͡lọlt fuþiʀ auk um tu-ạ

Or directly with html tags, if you don't want to import the template:

1. 1. kalanta uiþr kalkla uiþr riþa‐ta uiþ
   2. uiþr rinanta uiþr salianta ui‐
2. 1. r sikn--a uiþr f-ranta uiþr f̣liuh
   2. a͡nta s-̣-a͡lọlt fuþiʀ auk um tu-ạ

The extra whitespace displaying here before the numerals is fixable, but how to do that depends on how the css is set up on svwiki. —Cryptic 10:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 11:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Jan Arvid Götesson: Here is a method with span style="width:2.5em;display:inline-block; which doesn't rely on local CSS rules or templates and let's you set the width:

AThis ...
This ...

PrimeHunter (talk) 14:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Works perfectly. Thanks. Jan Arvid Götesson (talk) 19:13, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Creating a disambiguation page

Hi, I have a somewhat technical question related to creating a disambiguation page. I've noticed that the word "Nuda" redirects to Beroidae, and there are two pages whose title is the word "Nuda" itself, but with a disambiguating parenthesis (Nuda (album); Nuda (song)). I think it would be appropriate to create a disambiguation page for these and make it the primary page, but I'm not sure how to proceed without breaking links or perhaps going against MOS. Could you please give me some pointers? Cheers! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Revirvlkodlaku You could

• move Nuda to Nuda (zoology) and update 40 incoming links (I don't think there is a primary topic)
• create Nuda (disambiguation)
• move Nuda (disambiguation) to Nuda using Misplaced Pages:Requested moves/Technical requests if necessary
• link Nuda to it:Nuda via Wikidata item Q3879241. TSventon (talk) 03:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @TSventon. If I move Nuda (disambiguation) to Nuda, would the latter then become the disambiguation page? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Revirvlkodlaku yes, my suggestion produces a disambiguation page at "Nuda" and a redirect at "Nuda (disambiguation)". You could achieve a similar result by editing "Nuda" to create a disambiguation page and creating a new redirect at "Nuda (disambiguation)". TSventon (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Justine Bateman

Please look at reference number 41 - I have tried so hard to get it right. Thanks for repairing. Srbernadette (talk) 05:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: I replaced the reference to fix the errors. The first CS1 error was indicating that there was a generic name in the |last= parameter. In this case, it looks like the last name was listed as Correspondent, which is the generic name the template didn't like. The second error was stating that bolding or italics markup isn't allowed in the |website= parameter. The ''Newsweek'' name with the apostrophes isn't allowed with that parameter because the name is automatically italicized when it renders. When citing websites or books, I will usually use this tool to create the reference for me because its a lot simpler. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask them here. cyberdog958 08:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Any alternatives for Misplaced Pages:Updating information?

It's too short for me. Is there more in depth essay or other policy to read relating to this topic? All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 12:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Also what do people mean when they say "I !voted" or something like that? I have a guess but I just wanna be sure. All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 13:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @All Tomorrows No Yesterdays. I'm not clear what you think is lacking in that document. Please clarify.

As for your second question - see WP:!VOTE. ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Uhh.. I don't even know anymore. I was just pretty curious about its brevity. All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 13:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Regarding GA Nominations

Could one nominate an article, even while >90% of the article is copied? I'm planning on putting General secretaryship of Mikhail Gorbachev up at GAN after some copyediting if that is allowed. All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 14:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello All Tomorrows No Yesterdays! Any article can theoretically be nominated if it meets the good article criteria, but you should have a strong understanding of the sourcing it uses and make sure you've checked it against the criteria. You might consider raising this at the good article talk page. The most active GAN reviewers watch that page so you should be able to get a more in-depth answer about the actual process there. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

question about deletion review

i posted a request at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review, and now my request no longer appears there. is it routine for requests to be moved once they have been read, or should i be worried? please ping me when you reply. thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 15:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sm8900: Your post was accidentally deleted by the next editor. I have restored it. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@John of Reading that is very helpful of you indeed. thanks!!  Thanks Sm8900 (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

What is considered sockpuppetry?

Can i make another account to use the user talk page to chat about non-wikipedia subjects? Bart Simon the Wikiracer (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not social media and the talk pages should not be used to chat about non-wikipedia subjects--Escape Orbit 15:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

i don't have an email and live 40 kilometers away from my freinds

hope this clears my reasons up Bart Simon the Wikiracer (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Bart Simon the Wikiracer. I'm sorry for your isolation, but Misplaced Pages is not the answer, and attempting to use it for purposes that aren't congruent with Misplaced Pages's purposes are not acceptable. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

do you know what the answer is?

Bart Simon the Wikiracer (talk) 16:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bart Simon the Wikiracer: Digital communication with friends is usually by text messages, social media or email. An email address is useful for many other things. Webmail only requires a browser. See e.g. Comparison of webmail providers for some options. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Answer: anything like this. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 16:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

How to add image of Print newspaper in pdf file as source?e

Daily Star is a prominent Bangladeshi newspaper. It has covered so many news for long days. There had been many things happened from 90s to 2025. Various important topics which is widely cited before we can't add in English Misplaced Pages as there is no source or is not available in online. But I have images of Daily star news as pdf file. i want to add it as source. How can I do that? Anyone can check it from প্রলয়স্রোত (talk) 20:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@প্রলয়স্রোত: A reliable published source does not have to be available online. See WP:RS. It just must be theoretically possible for a member of the general public somewhere to go see a physical copy, e.g., in a library in Bangladesh. It is not legal for you to upload an image as that would be a copyright violation. -Arch dude (talk) 21:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

uploaded wrong picture

I uploaded an image inadvertently. How can I remove it? Lauranorcal (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Lauranorcal: You uploaded it at commons:File:Michael Alexander Kahn.jpg. Place {{SD|G7}} at top of the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

How can I delete it? I'd like to do that before I upload the right one. Thanks. Lauranorcal (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Lauranorcal: you can edit the code at commons:File:Michael Alexander Kahn.jpg and add {{SD|G7}} at top of the page. That will show a notice that you have requested deletion and Commons admins will deal with your request. TSventon (talk) 23:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

January 15

Template Categorization Confusion

So I'm trying to work on categorization tasks; specifically in Category:All uncategorized pages. Lets take for example, Template:Delay safesubst.

How am I supposed to correctly categorize this template?

At first I thought I should just write:

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Then I read a bit and now thought, what if I put the category on the /doc page and {{subst:Delay safesubst} } on the main template.

What am I supposed to do for moving both template and their doc pages? Even if I give the doc page a category, Category:All uncategorized pages, still retains the template (item). Bondishloka (talk) 09:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bondishloka generally the way templates are categorized is by using {{sandbox other}} on its doc page, like this. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 09:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Annoying map in Infobox

Using "display=title" in "Template-Coord"" displays the coordinates above the wiki article.
In my sandbox of the "Yisan" article, no map is shown under "Tambon" in Infobox.
But when I copy this "Yisan" article from my sandbox to the "Yisan" wiki article, a map automatically appears under "Tambon" in Infobox.
The question is how can I stop this annoyance.
SietsLSietsL (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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