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== DC meetups on April 19 and 20 == == Last of the Mohicans ==

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Hi, Carolmooredc.
I have seen this rather amusing barnstar floating around and cannot think of anyone who deserves it more than you do. You have continued to ], and have patiently answered even the most hostile statements, long after anyone else would have lost patience and concluded that they were being trolled. Just for the record, this is no longer a gender-specific barnstar, but the irony of the original version is just too perfect.
Regards, —] (]) 13:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks. I actually looked up WP:NOTSUICIDE and I don't get it. As I asked at talk "Does it mean we can kick obvious trolls butts? Or that we should quit rather than commit suicide?" <small>'''] (])'''</small> 13:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
::Ha, ha, enjoy. —] (]) 15:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

== Feminists Engage Misplaced Pages ==

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:Back at ya! But you know my definition of feminist: any woman who doesn't take any bull in any part of her life. So that's most of 3.6 billion women on the planet :-) <small>'''] (])'''</small> 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

==Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors==
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Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.<br><center><small>'''] (])'''</small> 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)</center>
<small>Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.</small>
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== Your return is eagerly awaited !!!! ==

Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.] (]) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right... {{Smiley}} <small>'''] (])'''</small> 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

::Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.] (]) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

:::Hmmm, gives me ''yet another idea''. A quickie video like on ] with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! <small>'''] (])'''</small> 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Misplaced Pages. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. ] (]) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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== Thanks ==

Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them.

I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. ] (]) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

:Guess Misplaced Pages needs a wikilove puppy lobby! <small>'''] (])'''</small> 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

== A pie for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Misplaced Pages sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --] (]) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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*Mucho gracias, senor naughty! <small>'''] (])'''</small> 22:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:: One more. I am so sorry, Carol. Best wishes to you. --] (]) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

== Kitten ==

Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Misplaced Pages was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something.

I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? ] (]) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

:Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

== Kitten (2) ==

I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --] (]) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

== Good luck ==
Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with . I look forward to your return. -- ] (]) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Misplaced Pages, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. ] (]) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
*Will just drop here, for anyone interested, that Slate published an article today noting the incredible results of the arbitration, very negative piece. --''']''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">]</span></sup></small> 20:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
*:Interesting to see a summary from an external world view. I have added the link to ]. --] (]) 20:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

:Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at ]. ] (]) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


::FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Misplaced Pages's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: ]. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment ''after'' Arbcom voted to ban me.) <small>'''] (])'''</small> 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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This member of ], hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. ] (]) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
:Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
::I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( ] (]) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


Hi Carol. <b><font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font></b> (]) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
On Saturday, April 20, we've partnered with the George Washington University to host the ''']''' at the Teamsters Labor History Research Center. Please join us for behind-the-scenes tours of the University Archives and help edit articles about GWU history.


We look forward to seeing you at one or both of these events! ]&nbsp;<sup>]]</sup> 20:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC) Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? --] (]) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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:Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) <small>'''] (])'''</small> 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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:Thanks! Hopefully will make my life easier!! '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 02:01, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


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I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at ]. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you.
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:Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Mau Mau IP == ==Limited editing rights==
I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Are you an admin? Very sorry to hassle you, but I have an IP persistently trying to add highly dubious claims without so much as citing a source. I know the Mau Mau Uprising can be contentious, but that is no excuse for repeatedly trying to introduce unsourced material into the article. Are you able to add protection so IPs cannot edit the page? Sorry. ] (]) 16:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
:Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us? :-) Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> (]) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
:No, I'm not. Go to ] and provide diffs which help. '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 18:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
::Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
::Whoops, forgot to say thanks for getting back to me and for the helpful link to this An/I thing! So... thanks! ] (]) 20:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Cool! <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> (]) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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:Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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== Merge proposal relisted== == Senior Wikipedians ==
Hello Carol, I've reactivated the long-standing merge proposal on ], see ].] (]) 07:46, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


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:didn't see offhand. were you going to fix? As I said in talk, when things calm down and I remember I'm going to verify his use of sources and may fix bare urls - and remove any that look like more there for pure POV padding. ;-( '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 19:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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:Great. Will watch and see what I can add! '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 21:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


:Misplaced Pages is in pretty sad shape with so many articles outdated. But I hear women editors still regularly harassed for daring to correct poor male editing so I'll pass. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 11:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
::What is your intent for the your verify tag you put on the article? ] (]) 00:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
::I heard you were working on your own stuff back four years ago. If you have sorted things out, I hope you would return to editing, so that there are less outdated articles :). If people harass you, stay civil to avoid boomerang, then get them sanctioned at ANI, don't listen to the loud minority! ] (]) 23:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for thinking of me!! Despite many interruptions having to fight patriarchal abuse in probate court and in an apartment situation, I am still working on my own stuff. Now that I'm getting the hang of self-publishing and AI, I've got several books to finish off and get out there before my 76 year old body gets to be 85 and too old. U/C willing. ;-)
:::Even if I did somehow avoid editing on articles where guys don't throw tantrums at the slightest touch to their sacred edits, it would still be too much temptation to add material that stalkers - old and new - would find fault with. But I still give Misplaced Pages $20 odd bucks year and use it and refer others to it freely. I even defend use of it as a source - for sources anyway - when others joke about it. So that continues to be my contribution. And your email did finally get me to ask the question to which this WikiFoundation article is a partial answer. ] <small>'''] (])'''</small> 15:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)


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:::I was wondering what that source says that's worth putting in, since it's not on the books.google page. I'm sure there are lots of articles that say the same thing - except possibly "controversial" which the first ref doesn't say directly. Does it say he's controversial? Other sources don't say that and, except for the one criticism, text doesn't look too much like he's controversial. thanks. '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 01:29, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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::::that particular text does not say that. I just used that as the first ref as it is a dictionary of notable people on the topic, so it seemed like a good way to jump the GNG hurdle. The controvercial bit I think is a carrot to the gun control editors, and is probalby not to difficult to source from some liberal column discussing him ] (]) 01:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


:::::Then we should use a specific source and attribute it. Controversial is not necessarily bad, but it should be sourced. I'm bogged down in yard work and personal stuff and putting out wiki fires, so hopefully next week I can add some good stuff to his article. '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 15:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


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:I thought of "Retired" Wikipedians which sounded good at first. Then I realized it sounds like "Retired from Misplaced Pages", not retired from working full time. How about MATURE? that has a good double entendre meaning. hahaha
:But I'm too busy to come back and fight with prejudiced and privileged macho people with penises (to be PC) like the ones who got me kicked off last time. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 21:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)


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Live and learn... they don't let 3rd parties appeal and I ain't a gonna. Thanks anyway. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
We may not like or have high regard for each other, but the tone of your and my comments/edits needs to get better. We both need to focus on content rather than contributors (i.e. you should cease focusing on me and me on you). While you are welcome to voice complaints about my conduct to the right venues, I ask that in future edits and disputes related to content, you keep the personal stuff and loaded languageout of it, and I pledge to do the same. Failing to live up to this commitment is clearly at odds with WP guidelines and will undermine this community. I hope you agree with my view that we both need to make a change in this regard and join me in trying to make it happen. ] (]) 17:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:The good news is I reminded myself to treat this just like I treat articles in the Israel-Palestine issue; overwhelm the nasty stuff with good WP:RS info in a Wikipolicy correct fashion so most readers never even get there. However, note that noticeboards ''are'' the place where one can comment (politely) on POVs and I will feel free to do so when if feel it relevant and necessary. I think your POV comes out pretty quickly on most article talk pages anyway, so I shouldn't have to play Paul Revere anymore.
:Note that you should stop claiming you know what my political views are and I don't have to declare them.
:You do know that doing opposition research and making claims about who you think people are can be looked at as ] (unless they obviously are using a company/orgs IP or editing their own article, and even then there are proper procedures to follow). At the least get you looked on as being very tacky.
:And POVs aren't illegal here anyway; just messing with policy. Running around to policy boards yelling about violations of policy that you don't understand can just make you look foolish. (It took me almost 3 years before I went to one and you see how assertive I am!)
:COI-wise, the only people I'm getting any substantial money from is myself from all the money I put into social security for the 30 years I bothered to pay it (at least til the debt is repaid, which may or may not be before SS collapses.) But you won't find me writing Wiki articles singing social securities praises. And I don't think anybody cares about who I got the $164 of other income from last year...but it wasn't Lew Rockwell. {{=)}} '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 18:27, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::Well, it looks like progress is being made. E.g., you two are exchanging actual ] to one another! – ] (]) 18:32, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Carol, just speaking as a fly on the wall. My personal reaction to your talk messages is not that you're being assertive at all but just that you are expressing personal rage. The rage is so overwhelming that I can not find any underlying assertion of substance or dialogue that could promote communication or resolution the issues between you and Steeletrap. Just my personal reaction, and I am not expecting any response and please do not be offended. ] ] 18:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::::''Generally speaking'' males often experience strongly held and clearly expressed female <s>ideas</s> words or writings as psychotic rage. Have you heard about the to bring more women into wikimedia/pedia so males will get more used to it? '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 18:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::::: That insinuation is not conducive to the dialogue, Carolmoore. 1) Even if your "general" statement regarding double-standards to which women are subject true (and I think it very likely is), it does not follow that every accusation of rage toward women is motivated by sexism. 2) Even if you think it is justified to insinuate that SPECIFICO is motivated by a sexist sentiment (and I consider there to be no justification whatsoever for that belief), claiming he is motivated by sexism constitutes WP:PA. I cannot speak for SPECIFICO, but I hope we can get passed all of this stuff, and argue specifically over content rather than contributors. ] (]) 18:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::There's a difference between pure sexism and just not being familiar enough with (dare I say ignorant of) certain types of people in certain situations to react to and deal with them in a rational manner. I don't have kneejerk reactions to others foolishness, though sometimes I do make fun of it. '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 19:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::What is a "female idea?" Please do not be sexist. If you do not like my ideas, please do not attack me for my gender. ] ] 19:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::See clarification above to "words and writings". '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 19:14, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::: Carol, I am a transgender person who does not identify with my birth gender, so I am not unsympathetic to your *general* statement about subtle biases. But WP:PA still applies. Suppose I were in an edit war with a social conservative who is aware of my identity and whom I regard as acting snidely toward me; I may speculate to myself about her or his motives, but I still have to abide by WP regulations, and calling them out as "transphobic" would constitute a PA. I also must say I do not see strong (or any, really) evidence of sexist bias on SPECIFICO's part. ] (]) 19:15, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::You have your opinions and I have mine. But enough of this conversation because it's starting to feel like ] because it is getting off topic into repeated and increasingly unwelcome issues of politically correct ideology and personal style and not POVs or actual edits. '']''<big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 19:47, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 02:05, 16 October 2024

Green Box Links to Barnstars, Archives, Other Stuff (click "show" --->)

ON A LONG WIKIBREAK! YAY!!
I'll be back.
Too busy to appeal my BAN FROM EDITING for reasons described HERE. ("Evidence" here.) Remember:

WELL-BEHAVED WOMEN SELDOM MAKE HISTORY!!!
This user wants to see everything in its place.




Last of the Mohicans

The Working Man's Barnstar
For being the "Last of the Mohicans"--one of the few women who has not been driven off the Gender Gap Task Force or the GGTF ArbCom case.

Hi, Carolmooredc. I have seen this rather amusing barnstar floating around and cannot think of anyone who deserves it more than you do. You have continued to Assume Good Faith, and have patiently answered even the most hostile statements, long after anyone else would have lost patience and concluded that they were being trolled. Just for the record, this is no longer a gender-specific barnstar, but the irony of the original version is just too perfect. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 13:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I actually looked up WP:NOTSUICIDE and I don't get it. As I asked at talk "Does it mean we can kick obvious trolls butts? Or that we should quit rather than commit suicide?" Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 13:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Ha, ha, enjoy. —Neotarf (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Feminists Engage Misplaced Pages

The Feminists Engage Misplaced Pages Award!
If Adrianne Wadewitz were here, she'd give you this award for all you have done! Djembayz (talk) 23:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Back at ya! But you know my definition of feminist: any woman who doesn't take any bull in any part of her life. So that's most of 3.6 billion women on the planet :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors

Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.

Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.

Your return is eagerly awaited !!!!

Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right... Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm, gives me yet another idea. A quickie video like on Talking Dead with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Misplaced Pages. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them.

I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. Ca2james (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Guess Misplaced Pages needs a wikilove puppy lobby! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Misplaced Pages sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
One more. I am so sorry, Carol. Best wishes to you. --GRuban (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Kitten

Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Misplaced Pages was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something.

I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Kitten (2)

I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Good luck

Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with Tarc's remark. I look forward to your return. -- C1cada (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Misplaced Pages, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. Sadads (talk) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at list of Misplaced Pages controversies. Tarc (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Misplaced Pages's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: Misplaced Pages gender gap-related Media hits. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment after Arbcom voted to ban me.) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

You haven't been forgotten

This member of WP:RETENTION, hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( 91.125.81.13 (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Carol. North8000 (talk) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? -- (talk) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Shooting of Al Hallaq

I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at Shooting of Eyad al-Hallaq. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you.

Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Limited editing rights

I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. Prompt Global Strike Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us?  :-) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Cool! North8000 (talk) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Senior Wikipedians

WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older has been inactive for some time. The following three proposals may help invigorate this project.

  1. Change the name of this project to WikiProject Senior Wikipedians.
  2. Open membership in this project to users who are at least 60 years of age and have made at least 50 edits in the past year.
  3. Open supporting membership in this project to users who are less than 60 years old but have made at least 50 edits in the past year and support the goals of this project.

Suggested goals for this project:

  1. To support collaboration and communication among members for the advancement and improvement of Misplaced Pages and the Wikimedia movement.
  2. To encourage older people, retired people, and soon-to-be-retired people to participate in Misplaced Pages both for the advancement of the encyclopedia and for their own personal enjoyment.
  3. To encourage older people to share their experience and expertise for the improvement of Misplaced Pages.
  4. To encourage older users to use their experience and expertise to help younger and less experienced users.
  5. To encourage participation in local and regional Wikimedia events.
  6. To sponsor Misplaced Pages meetings and classes at places where older people gather.
  7. To advocate for the elimination of ageism and sexism in Misplaced Pages and the Wikimedia movement.

Notes

  1. The current name of this project, WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older, is somewhat cumbersome and excludes participation by any users under the age of 70 years.
  2. This current minimum age limit of this project is 70 years. A minimum age limit of 60 years should permit the participation of most retired users. The minimum activity level of 50 edits per year is arbitrary. A minimum activity level indicates continued interest. Members who do not meet the minimum activity level shall be moved to inactive status. Members who have died shall be moved to memorial status.
  3. A new class of Supporting Members allows those users under 60 years to support the goals of the project. Users approaching the age of 60 years may wish to become supporting members in anticipation of reaching the minimum age limit for members.

Please add your suggestions for this project at Senior Wikipedians. Thank you,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 01:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is in pretty sad shape with so many articles outdated. But I hear women editors still regularly harassed for daring to correct poor male editing so I'll pass. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 11:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
I heard you were working on your own stuff back four years ago. If you have sorted things out, I hope you would return to editing, so that there are less outdated articles :). If people harass you, stay civil to avoid boomerang, then get them sanctioned at ANI, don't listen to the loud minority! Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 23:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for thinking of me!! Despite many interruptions having to fight patriarchal abuse in probate court and in an apartment situation, I am still working on my own stuff. Now that I'm getting the hang of self-publishing and AI, I've got several books to finish off and get out there before my 76 year old body gets to be 85 and too old. U/C willing. ;-)
Even if I did somehow avoid editing on articles where guys don't throw tantrums at the slightest touch to their sacred edits, it would still be too much temptation to add material that stalkers - old and new - would find fault with. But I still give Misplaced Pages $20 odd bucks year and use it and refer others to it freely. I even defend use of it as a source - for sources anyway - when others joke about it. So that continues to be my contribution. And your email did finally get me to ask the question to which this WikiFoundation article is a partial answer. Misplaced Pages’s value in the age of generative AI Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

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Elder Wikipedians

WikiProject Elder Wikipedians

My proposal to make extensive changes to WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older was a bust, primarily because many users felt that the term "Senior Wikipedian" implied a higher ranking Misplaced Pages membership. Therefore, I am making two less ambitious proposals:

Proposal #1. Change the name of "WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older" to "WikiProject Elder Wikipedians".
Proposal #2. Drop the minimum age requirement to 60 years.

Please respond to Elder Wikipedians and let us know what you think of each of these proposals.
Thank you,  Buaidh  talk e-mail

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I thought of "Retired" Wikipedians which sounded good at first. Then I realized it sounds like "Retired from Misplaced Pages", not retired from working full time. How about MATURE? that has a good double entendre meaning. hahaha
But I'm too busy to come back and fight with prejudiced and privileged macho people with penises (to be PC) like the ones who got me kicked off last time. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 21:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

I request that User:Carolmooredc be unblocked from the English language Misplaced Pages. She was blocked indefinitely on December 1, 2014, and I think ten years is quite a long time to block a productive user. I need Carol to help me with WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Procedural decline. We don't accept third party requests. This is also not a simple block, it is a ban imposed by the Arbitration Committee. This user needs to appeal to the Committee directly. 331dot (talk) 01:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)


If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Live and learn... they don't let 3rd parties appeal and I ain't a gonna. Thanks anyway. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)