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Hi Nikkimaria, I think ] has had a pretty thorough look and is just about done except for something to do with the images. If you'd like to take a final look (? I really don't have a sense of how PR gets wrapped up) in the next day or two I don't think you or Brian will step on each other's toes. And, as long as I'm here, a question. It looks like a number of the classical composer pages have a signature on them. I imagine I can get a signature image relatively easy off the Gustavus Adolphus professor's website and I believe there aren't any copyright issues (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong of course). I'm not a particular fan of signatures but I want to conform to whatever the "current and best" standard is before I submit for the next step (either GA or FA, your advice is welcome). Anyhow thanks for your help so far, and I'm hopeful we'll have closure on this article in the near future, as I'm eager to get to work on my next one. Thanks again, ] (]) 23:44, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
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:Hey Dictioneer. Signatures are an optional thing - some people really like them, some really don't. I don't have a strong opinion either way, and there's no real "best practice" on the issue. If you do decide to use one, is the info on copyrights. You can close the PR whenever you like using the steps outlined on the main PR page. ] (]) 17:28, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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== Small request ==
Nikki, I've responded to your comments over at ]. Thank you for your help so far! ] (]) 15:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


Hello, I need to delete my old username which is redirecting to my page? Can you help me with this deletion? If not, who should I talk to? Thanks in advance. ] (]) 11:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks like this has gotten sorted? ] (]) 23:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
hi Nikki..
::Yes. Another admin help me out. Thanks anyway! ] (]) 06:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
I need to add the article names and peer reviews on our course page..
but I can't see the students section.. when I click on Edit..


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Hi, I didn't read the whole article. I would like to ask you: do you think what this user wrote is true or not? Almost everything seems fine to me. ] (]) 12:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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== Why did you delete Kellogg? ==

no need to just redirect it as he is such a popular character and has an entire character arc and should not be reduced to a simple page with no text and a simple redirect. Please answer me as to why you did this ] (]) 20:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

:Hi ], the article's only reference was to an open wiki, which is ]. It also does not appear that the character has received ], which is what is generally needed to have a standalone article. 20:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

== FAC Mentoring ==

I talked to {{U|Gerda Arendt}} on having my article I'm working on (]) for FAC months ago, and she said that she is currently busy with other things. Which is why I'm finding a second mentor for FAC. Do you mind checking the article and ] for any feedback, updates, and improvements? Thank you. ''']''' <small><small>''']]'''</small></small> 12:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Hi ], pop music isn't really my area of interest, but I can give some general feedback. Could you clarify your plan regarding the sandbox? Will it replace the current article, or are you going to try to merge the two? ] (]) 00:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Nikkimaria}} Sorry for the late reply. The content of my sandbox will replace the current article once its complete. Currently, I believe it's 85-90% complete. ''']''' <small><small>''']]'''</small></small> 12:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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== Working paper numbers ==

{{ping|Chipmunkdavis}} - {{ping|CambridgeBayWeather}} Not sure what is best to do here. We have some great infomation from ] about forest being added all over...however they are using a ] not peer reviewed or published in an academic journal or offical yet. In the cases of Canada we have "real" numbers.
Though the numbers are close to Canada offical numbers they are a bit off. I plan to fix the Canada numbers..but what about the rest?

Working paper = https://openknowledge.fao.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/a6e225da-4a31-4e06-818d-ca3aeadfd635/content
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:@] I'm out of town until Sunday, and I forgot my laptop. I'll take a look on Monday. ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 12:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::I saw this pop up on Botswana but haven't taken a closer look yet. As an initial comment, these pushing the same edit over hundreds of articles type missions don't usually lead to great improvement. I'm not opposed to an FAO working paper in principle, but I would not use it over the Canada document you link. ] (]) 12:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi {{ping|Chipmunkdavis}}, {{ping|CambridgeBayWeather}}, {{ping|Moxy}}, just to correct a missunderstanding, to clarify:
:::* The numbers '''do not''' come from the working paper, the working paper is to provide a reference for the terms used in the text.
:::* The numbers come from the main UN Food and Agriculture Organization ], the data for Canada is taken from . The data for the FRA is collated from each government, so there will also be a Canadian government source which also includes these statistics (perhaps the one you reference). The data collated by the UN is published every 5 years since 1948 so its possible that the source you site is more up to date.
:::I hope that helps
:::Thanks
:::] (]) 13:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks. It's not a bad source, but like all UN data it should be treated with care. An odd case, for some reason Italy submits a different official English name to the UN than it uses on its constitution's official English translation. ] (]) 13:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

:::::I think regardless of sourcing, the level of detail being added is excessive for a top-level country page. ] (]) 23:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

== Singapore ethniticities ==

Regarding the cleanup at Singapore, while ethnicity can sometimes be hard to put figures on, in Singapore it's a strictly regulated system where each person is legally assigned to a race. It would likely be a better reflection of the country for the reader to include that in the infobox instead of citizen vs resident. ] (]) 02:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

:No objections to swapping from me. ] (]) 02:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

== Chicken gun is a game ==

Shame on you for deleting my edit ] (]) 07:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

:Hi IP, if there is sourcing to demonstrate the game is ], then there can be an article about it and a hatnote that points to that article. But external links don't belong in hatnotes. ] (]) 13:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

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You should pull out a book on English grammar and review punctuation with respect to subordinate clauses. Your undoing of my edits to ] show that you are deficient in this area. —&nbsp;] ] 04:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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:Hi ], your account has to be activated by Newspapers.com before it will have full access - suggest trying again in a week or two. ] (]) 00:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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:Hi ], per ] such entries require secondary sourcing indicating their significance to the topic. ] (]) 23:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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== Reference bundling ==

I assume you seen my reference bundling at Canada. Was thinking of doing this for other FA country articles... because in my view it makes things so much more legible.... what do you think
Japan Germany Australia? ]. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span>🍁 23:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:Hi ], I find bundling useful when there's a reason to do it, like adding annotation, but I'm not generally a fan for just combining citations - in my view having multiple clickable numbers is no different from a usability perspective from having multiple citations within one clickable number (plus it makes it harder to repeat a single ref). ] (]) 01:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== ] ==

You reversed my correction of her birthplace. It is written on her gravestone, which can be seen on . Is this not reliable enough? ] (]) 10:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

:Oxford DNB also writes "Croker , Bithia Mary (1847–1920), novelist, was born in Warrenpoint, co. Down, on 28 May 1847" (it's paywalled, but this part shows up with a Google search), so I will add Warrenpoint again. ] (]) 14:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

::Perfect, I've added that ref, thanks. ] (]) 00:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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== YGM == == Parsec ==


Unless there's a real reason as to why my popular culture addition about the Terminator and Parscs shouldn't be added, don't remove it. What reason would there be? It's popular culture and I cited the references. ] (]) 22:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
...from me. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 01:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
*and your post is beautiful. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 02:39, 23 March 2013 (UTC)


== DYK overtones hook ==


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Nikkimaria, I'm not quite sure when the overtones tuning hook you just moved to {{queue|1}} regained its comma after the initial "that", but I had removed the comma when I promoted the hook to {{prep|2}}, and really think it doesn't belong. (There's almost never a good reason for a comma after "that".) Can you please take it out again? Many thanks. ] (]) 01:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

:Obviously, I disagree with Kiefer's edit, but if you think he has the right of it grammatically, you can disregard the above. (I don't see how it is a parenthetical phrase, however, because if you delete it entirely, the remaining sentence makes no sense on its own.) ] (]) 01:42, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
:Hi ], this type of content needs ], ] sourcing that ] in order to be included. ] (]) 01:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks; guess we were editing at about the same time. ] (]) 01:43, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
::Really?! The pop culture tidbit above mine using citation #23 has an invalid link! I went above and beyond to cite my sources. ] (]) 06:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

:::Yes, really - if other entries are inappropriately sourced those should be addressed rather than more added. ] (]) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

== Peer Review Request ==

Hello Nikkimaria, I was wondering if you could give this article a peer review? I saw you on the peer review volunteer page and wanted to ask someone for one. The article is ] and here's the ]. She's a jazz bassist in New York City who has released two albums so far. I came across this article a week ago and have been improving it as much as I can. I'm not a very experienced editor and I'm sure I'm missing a lot in this article. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks, ] (]) 23:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

== rimsky korsakov ==

hi hi, seen you’ve taken down my rimsky-korsakov infobox, i checked the note and the annexed wiki project, and decided to still add the infobox as the talk page for him isn’t active, how shall i proceed with it? ] (]) 10:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

:The talk page is now active so let's continue this conversation there. ] (]) 13:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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== William D. Hoard portrait ==

Hi Nikkimaria, I was looking at your comments on the William D. Hoard portrait and I am having a heck of a time fixing the link. The Wisconsin Historical Society doesn't allow direct linking to specific portraits from what I can tell, and this particular version of this image doesn't appear to exist in their archives anymore. Going to , searching for William D. Hoard, and downloading their image collection (clicking print on the left side, selecting images) provides a PDF with various images in it of the oil painting, including what appears to be a restored/more color-accurate version on the last page. These images should be public domain, but it's not clear to me if the digital recreations are also public domain, nor if the WHS actually applies in this case or if it only applies to purchased images. I'd be curious for your thoughts and any suggestions you might have. Thanks for looking! ] (]) 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

:Hi ], ] the original image is PD, I don't think there have been significant enough changes that the new version would be anything other than PD. But what leads you to believe the original is PD? I don't see anything in the WHS portrait record on copyright status, despite what the ToU says. ] (]) 02:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::The portrait was painted in 1891, so it should be PD by virtue of being published prior to 1929 according to if I am understanding everything correctly. Near the bottom of the portrait entry it says "This portrait was painted in 1891 by James Reeve Stuart (1834-1915)". ] (]) 02:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

:::Hi ], publication has a in US copyright law, and simply being created or even displayed prior to 1929 does not guarantee that it meets that definition. ] (]) 02:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Learn something new every day! The portrait entry says this in the second to last paragraph:
::::{{small|This portrait of William Hoard was donated to the State Historical Society of Wisconsin by Governor James O. Davidson. It was noted thusly, "Oil portrait, framed, of Gov. W.D. Hoard, formerly hung in the Executive Chamber, Capitol. Painted by J.R. Stuart, September, 1891." (Proceedings of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin...1907, 1908, p. 92.)}}
::::So if I'm reading things correctly I think that would satisfy the requirement in section 1902 by transfer of ownership to be considered published, and it would still be PD by this definition of publication in 1907-1908:
::::{{small|Section 101 of the Copyright Act defines publication as “the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.}}
::::Does that make sense to you? I am very much a novice with this kind of thing and want to make sure I'm doing things right. ] (]) 02:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::Hi ], 1902 references distribution to ''the public'' - I don't think what's being described here would qualify. ] (]) 02:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::I wonder if the state historical society being a government agency would impact that at all? In any case, I think the provision for would apply for it be PD.
::::::Commons says for unpublished works, if there is a "Known author with a known date of death 70 years after the death of author." James Reeve Stuart died in 1915, so it has been more than 70 years since his death and the portrait should be PD under that provision.
::::::If the portrait was work for hire (which seems likely) the copyright term has also expired. Works for hire had their copyright expire 120 years after creation, so anything created prior to 1904 is PD according to the chart I linked on Commons (also available on the ). The portrait was made in 1891, so it has been PD for at least 13 years if it was work for hire and I'm reading things correctly. ] (]) 02:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::::If it was ''never'' published before 2003, PD-US-unpublished would be the way to go. Is that known to be the case? ] (]) 03:04, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I think it may be old enough where even if it had been officially published at some point in the last 100 years, it wouldn't make a difference. The Commons page says the copyright expires when "the '''earlier''' of 95 years after first publication or 120 years after creation" comes to pass -- it could be officially published tomorrow under the definition of publication in chapter 1900 but 120 years would still have passed since its creation, so it should still be PD I would think. ] (]) 03:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::It might make a difference, depending on if/when it was published. If never before 2003 or definitely before 1929, it's PD. But if it was published at some point after 1929 but before 2003, maybe not. ] (]) 03:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::That's an interesting interpretation, one that could cause problems for a lot of portraits on Commons now.
::::::::::When it comes to publication, the " distribute copies... for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display, constitutes publication." We know that the portrait hung in the "executive chamber" (either the governor's office or governor's conference room), both which are a gray area as far "public" areas go. Does that constitute being published under the rule of intent to distribute for public display?
::::::::::It was also given to a government agency (the historical society) in 1907 or 1908. That agency is charged with the "preservation and care of all records, both printed and written, and all articles and other materials of historic interest and significance placed in its custody" as well as charged with cataloging those materials "for the more convenient reference of '''all persons''' who have occasion to consult the collections", including the ability to loan out materials , which sounds an awful lot to me like it was offered to be distributed for public display, constituting publication ~116 years ago, which would make it PD.
::::::::::I don't know! It's a weird question. Appreciate you sticking with me this long and considering everything on this topic. ] (]) 05:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::::The original display of the work would fall under "public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication" per 1902. As to the historical society, unless there is an agency-specific exception that I'm not aware of, unpublished materials available in an archival capacity are still considered unpublished. See for example from the Society of American Archivists]. (As they and you note, this creates lots of problems, especially when the provenance of a work is less clear.)

:::::::::::So in terms of moving forward for this image, I'd suggest doing some searching to see what's the earliest confirmed publication of the portrait you can identify. Once we've figured out what that is, the next steps will be much clearer. ] (]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hi there! Thought I'd circle back to this discussion. I've done all the digging I know how to do, including searching copyright registrations back to 1923, and have seen no instance of the portrait being registered for copyright nor evidence of a formal publication. I took the discussion to the copyright village pump on and editors there believe the portrait to be in the public domain, so I think we should be good. Thanks for all the discussion here! This was a great conversation. Cheers ] (]) 15:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

== "Murder of" ==

Over the years I have seen you delete infoboxes within Misplaced Pages articles. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I do not. Is this a thing on Misplaced Pages that there should only be one infobox per page? I agree that having 5 would be excessive, but for a "Murder of" article for example, if there is only one perpetrator involved I fail to see why there is a need to remove an infobox for the perpetrator if one already exists for the victim, especially if the article is already reasonably long. I can't see in Misplaced Pages policy where this a thing to only have 1 infobox per page. ] (]) 16:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)\

:Hi ], these templates are to key facts about the page's subject"]], which in the case of these articles is not the perpetrator but rather the event. As per ], for people who are notable for only one event, we should avoid the creation of pseudobiographies. ] (]) 21:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

== East Germany and Polish People's Republic ==

Hi Nikkimaria, I see that you keep deleting descriptions in make for governments of Eastern block countries. I personally don't think that the overly short description of "socialist republic" works for either of these two countries. Considering that the type of socialist country they were were Marxist-Leninist in nature, I think it would be more accurate and informative to describe them as what they were, Marxist-Leninist one party socialist republics. There are many other pages of Marxist-Leninist states where they're government description is the same as I had put for East Germany so I don't see why it shouldn't also have its description as such. As for the Polish People's Republic, I think that the inclusion that it was under a stalinist dictatorship from 1947-1956 and the detail about the country being under a military junta are good details as they show how the form of government changed. I think the way you oversimplify the descriptions is reductive and degrades the quality of the articles. ] (]) 05:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:I think the shorter version both identifies the government type and does so at a glance, but you'd be welcome to take your proposal to the articles' talk pages. ] (]) 01:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, I wanted to inform you that I added my vote to the infobox discussion for ] and as there appeared to be no consensus (5 votes for, 3 against), I removed the infobox pending further votes as I do not think as it stands there is clear consensus. I also object to how the infobox remained static for months until a new vote after months of no discussion was used to add the infobox. I do not think that adding it at this time is warranted. ] (]) 17:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

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== Source removal ==

Hi, I just wanted to explain a little bit more in-depth my reversion of your removal of the sources in ]. Per ], grave markers are valid sources under {{Template link|cite sign}}. My understanding is that FindAGrave is not allowed for its user-generated, non-reliable content on obituaries, etc; the URLs in the sources simply give the non-free photos of graves being cited. Seeing as the citations would be valid and reliable without the link, I didn't think that adding the link as an additional piece of information with the grave photos would be an issue. If it is, please remove the links but leave the grave citations themselves. ~]<sup>]/]</sup> 02:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

:Hi ], what do you see as the benefit of doing that? Even if they belong to the people mentioned in the article, the graves don't support the claims being made about them. ] (]) 02:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::The name of his father and the full name (Johanna) of his mother are not found in any other sources at the moment. The ''Current Biography Yearbook 1955'' source is currently offline until the Internet Archive figures its stuff out and the article is currently being reviewed for Good Article, and the reviewer asked for a source for the names other than that source. ~]<sup>]/]</sup> 02:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

:::But this source doesn't give you that. Primary sources can be used only for they themselves say, without analysis or synthesis. You can prove that stones with those names exist, but not that they are the parents whose full names you don't have. ] (]) 02:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Fair enough. ~]<sup>]/]</sup> 02:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

== Rollback on Josefina Echánove ==

@], I understand why you did it because I 99% of the time would have done the same. I get that it looks immensely weird to be changing the birth and death place on a dead person, ]. If you will have read the inline source from the LA times, the memorial that I added from ancestry thru the wiki resources. At some point, someone entered her place of birth and dying in Guanajuato. It's so bad because the Wikidata statement literally says it but cites a source that says the correct birth place of New york, I am at this moment updating the wikidata statements so I won't need to change the info in 7 different languages.

I thought my summaries would be enough to cause a second glance, obviously I was mistaken.
Can you please self revert your rollback? ] (]) 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

:FYI: the change was done by IP user 201.168.135.200 03:55, 14 October 2024. ] (]) 21:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

::Done. ] (]) 00:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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== Sparrow Mass == == Guy Fawkes Night ==


Hi, I noticed you reverted my edits. I use ISBN-10 for books published before 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 for books published after 1 January 2007. I don't think this is wrong. Also, you reverted "LLC" deletion, but {{tl|cite book}} states: Corporate designations such as "Ltd", "Inc.", or "GmbH" are not usually included.-- ] (]) 20:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, as you've clearly read my talkpage, you know that I have no strong feelings about infoboxes either way, particularly in composition articles. However, I feel that your removal in this article should be discussed further - particularly given that you've a misleading edit summary. "Cleanup" generally refers to copy-editing or wikification, not an outright removal of a chunk of the article.


:Why do you believe switching to ISBN-10 is correct? ] (]) 00:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Again, I have no opinion on infoboxes in these articles either way (leaning slightly towards not having them at all) but I do believe in discussion, so I would appreciate your input on this. ~ ] 13:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::Because ISBN-10 was standard until 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 after 1 January 2007.-- ] (]) 08:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:I've tried to start a conversation ]. ~ ] 13:59, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::I haven't actually read your talkpage, just the single conversation with Gerda - apologies if you thought my comment was patronizing, it wasn't intended as such, but this has been previously raised as an issue. We'll see where the conversation goes, I guess. I did not remove a chunk of an article - I reverted Gerda's addition of a template, and I stand by that reversion. ] (]) 14:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Okay - hopefully we can shake hands and let this one go - I apologise if I was excessively growly. I can assure you that I was not canvassed (I actually came to the page prepared to disagree with an infobox, but I liked the look of the mini infobox, so it's not really like I approve of wholesale addition of infoboxes to /all/ composer articles).
:::Fair enough if you're sticking to your guns regarding the Sparrow Mass. I'm not about to revert anything there myself as, like I said, I've got no strong opinions either way, and I've no desire to instigate an edit war over an issue I regard as fairly unimportant in the scheme of things. It would be good if you would join the discussion on the talkpage, a variety of opinions would be really great. ~ ] 14:39, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::::Sure, thanks. ] (]) 14:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


:::But when there is an ISBN-13 which is assigned to a work, what do you feel the benefit is of changing it to an ISBN-10? ] (]) 23:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
You ask me to explain my addition on the talk. Why? I am one of the editors of that article, I didn't see your name. I know by now that project classical music is against infoboxes for composers, but I don't know anything about compositions. An infobox for the compositions of Bach ], why not others? Did you know that an {{tl|infobox opera}} is in the making? See the example for amusement, not by me;) --] (]) 15:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:Has been discussed and has been criticized, Gerda. You made an addition, it was disputed, you have to justify on talk - even if you previously added an external link to the article. I've bit my tongue and not said anything as you've added infoboxes to a number of articles that you created - you had complained about not having leeway on "your" articles (), so fine - but you've pushed enough. Please stop. ] (]) 16:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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:Show them the article as it stands - that church image is beautiful. ] (]) 16:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


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::::::What point might that be? She advised against edit-warring ; not a very strong argument. Anyways, I'm not warring any more, but someone should - the box was and remains wrong. ] (]) 21:26, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::The point about going to an article you never edited before to remove an infobox (something you're known to be against) just one hour after it was posted. I'm sure Gerda and Andy would say you're trying to impose your view in an inappropriate manner. This infobox war has been simmering a long time and if those involved don't work it out it blow up badly for all concerned. ] ] 21:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::::::::The key point of that is ''all'' those involved need to work it out - this isn't just about me and Gerda. Furthermore, your point needs to apply to both "sides" - if it's inappropriate for me to remove an infobox from an article I've never edited, it's equally inappropriate for Andy to add one to an article's ''he's'' never edited. ] (]) 21:33, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::My feeble attempt to resolve this peaceably is over. I won't bother you anymore.] ] 21:39, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::You're not bothering me, but you're also not going to be able to resolve this by just talking to me. ] (]) 21:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


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Hello, I see you reverted my infobox edits on ].
Nikkimaria - Just stop! Looking at is likely to lead to some very unpleasant conclusions. No matter how one chooses to word , it is unacceptable - and that's ''exactly'' how it's coming across. You are a great editor, and in fact in the past I have even find ways forward when you had problems. There is a currently open thread regarding your actions on AN/I at this very moment, and you choose to edit in this manner? I really do not want to see you ], please take a break and re-think your approach here. You are a long time admin., and <s>should</s> ''DO'' know better. Take a break or something. With 3 blocks on your record for ], the next one is likely to be much more than a 24 hour block. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 16:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
:Ched, we are discussing the matter on the talk page - you are welcome to join in if you choose. That would be a much better way forward than your statement here. ] (]) 16:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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:::Nor do I, but you misunderstand - I would prefer to see you (or any other interested parties) engaging with the issues we are currently discussing on the talk page rather than making statements like the above, which are unlikely to solve the problems being discussed. ] (]) 17:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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:::::An RfC large enough to be advertised as CENT is unlikely to be addressing the issues we're currently discussing at that talk page. Might be a better venue for the larger issue than ANI, though. ] (]) 17:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::: If it's something you're considering, and suggesting we work together on something like that .. sure - I'm willing. Rianna might be a help in that as well. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 17:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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I have reviewed the talk page and found a discussion on whether or not to include a infobox, but not on the content of the infobox.
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So there is now no guidance on how many paragraphs a lead section should be composed of? ] (]) 15:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)


:Correct, it's been switched to a word count. ] (]) 15:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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::So would this user's edit now be considered an acceptable lead layout? Because it looked like a complete mess to me.
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:Hi ], I appreciate that you've done some work there, but there is considerably more needed, and there is an existing suggestion by another editor on the talk page about how to approach that. ] (]) 18:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Nikkimaria: several of the articles created by my students this semester no longer have functioning links. They were functioning earlier, now broken. The trouble is that students are supposed to write peer reviews by this evening and are unable to access the articles. I will alert them and ask them to go via the user contributions pages, but I hope you fix the links. I will post this same message on Jami's talk page. I hope one of you can fix the broken links. Thank you! 23:52, 19 April 2013 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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Please stop removing the opera from Oktophonie's "Related" section. Arguing that the information is contained in the opus number is like saying one can infer from ''A Clash of King's'' Dewey Decimal number that it is a sequel to ''A Game of Thrones''. "1. ex 61" means absolutely nothing to most readers. The "Related" field in the musical composition infobox is specifically there for works like this. ] (]) 00:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:I don't think that comparison makes a lot of sense, and the information is also provided above the image. ] (]) 00:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Your logic was that the Opus number implied the relationship. That's nonsense. The "Related" field is explicitly there to spell out the relationship.] (]) 00:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

:No, my logic is that you've already linked the piece from the Opus number, and therefore do not need to link it again; there is a broader problem with unnecessary repetition. The Related field doesn't spell out the relationship at all. ] (]) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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== Deletion of content from ''How I Met Your Mother'' episode articles ==


:Hi ], ] provides links to previous discussions, but to summarize, it's because it is a ]. ] (]) 01:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that you recently deleted large amounts of content from several ''How I Met Your Mother'' episode articles (just a few examples: , , , , , , ). Some of these were tagged {{tl|Unreferenced}} but many were not. The only comment you left for the removal was a not very explanatory "rm". I'm sure you have a good reason for each of your deletions and I don't mean to question that. Could you please post your reasoning for the deletions to the talk pages of the articles you modified? Otherwise, could you post a link to the talk pages about why the information you deleted is not appropriate for wikipedia articles (copyright protected, not notable, unreferenced content, etc.). I'm concerned that if you don't do this, your changed will be reverted by an uninformed editor, as has happened before (examples: and ). Thanks! - <b>]</b>\<font face="serif"><sup>]</sup></font> 23:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:Hey Tucoxn, ] advises against such content, and most of it is ] ] or poorly sourced ]. If you or others would like to make a case for some of the content specifically, go ahead, but for the most part it's not appropriate for inclusion. ] (]) 00:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


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{{user|EliRykellm}} has been doing wholesale reversion of your removal of OR from ''How I Met Your Mother'' articles. After warning them to stop first and discuss, they continued with no response. I blocked them for 12 hours to get their attention and to force discussion. Can you look in and see whether they'll respond to you? I see there's been some discussion with another user above. '''<font face="Arial">] <small>]</small></font>''' 01:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
:Huh. I'm not sure that's the approach I would have taken, but I've posted on their talk page. I'm kind of confused by their contribs history - they came back from a four-year break to revert? Beginning with an article that was created well after they stopped editing? Something seems weird there. ] (]) 04:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
::Sadly, it's not as weird as you might think. I've seen this far too often in TV series related articles. --] (]) 11:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
::It was sufficiently strange that I believed blocking was warranted (as essentially disruptive editing), and I'd have been happy to unblock if they'd shown any willingness to pause and/or discuss, but they did neither. '''<font face="Arial">] <small>]</small></font>''' 11:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
:::] fans (one especially) can be pretty rabid about "their" episode articles. There's a lot of resistance to building encyclopaedic episode articles; instead they prefer to fill them with issues like continuity (which affects every TV series), "cultural references" and other non-notable (and usually unsourced) trivia and OR, thinking that a single reference from somebody who watched the episode is enough to establish notability. It's not at all uncommon for episode articles to be created with little or no content in them. Editors have already decided there will be an article, regardless of whether or not the episode meets notability guidelines. I tried cleaning up ], the edit history shows the opposition. --] (]) 21:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::I actually reverted because as a new comer to the show ] I found the continuity sections rather interesting. Then all of a sudden they were deleted and I wanted to finish reading them. I then came to find out that the "administrators" of this website take it way to seriously. I hope "policing" Misplaced Pages is a great lifestyle choice for yall. Have your episode pages however you want them. I'm done with this website; I enjoy spending my time with real life human beings. Later! ] (]) 02:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


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Rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he plans to speed up and stay ahead in this season. He shares his feeling and desire to go more faster as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Stolz won four races of the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. ] (]) 04:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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:Hi ], no, that's not going to be sufficient - that specific excerpt is still ] from the source for it, and these kinds of issues appear to be pervasive in the article. ] (]) 04:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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::How should I wrote? Can you give me some opinion? Thanks. ] (]) 04:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)


:::In some cases, where opinions or intentions are being expressed, specific phrases like "plans to speed up" can be quoted, as long as they are appropriately marked as being direct quotes and a limited amount of quotation is used. ] (]) 04:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he intends speed up faster in this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Is this any problems? Thanks. ] (]) 04:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)


:::::Yes - "this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026" is still copied exactly and "intends speed up faster" is almost the same as "plans to speed up", with the addition of a grammar problem. Perhaps this is a language issue? ] (]) 04:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::::Sorry I'm not American and hopefully you can considerate. First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he will training his speed skating skills in this season to prepare his second Olympics. Is this any problems? Thanks. ] (]) 04:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)


:::::::Perhaps it would be worthwhile to consider contributing to a non-English Misplaced Pages and/or doing tasks that don't involve adding prose? Paraphrasing can be challenging for anyone, and a language barrier only exacerbates that. ] (]) 04:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
I agree with your expression . Look at the edit that I reverted and you reverted back. Instead of internationally known abbreviations of instruments, that are explained and linked to a table of instruments which supplies links for most of them (only few a red links), instead of a wealth of information that is, you now get a list of instruments in Italian, without links, without specifying the language as Italian, without arranging them as a Plainlist or Flatlist as the instructions request. The reader is left alone with a term like "tromba". I fail to see the improvement. I don't even see quality. (I discussed this with the changing editor on his talk and at the template talk, I don't want to repeat the details here.) --] (]) 07:35, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::::So does it any problem or any mistakes in my rewrite? Thanks. ] (]) 05:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hello Gerda - would you prefer omitting that listing entirely? After all, the discussion found a fairly strong consensus not to use those abbreviations. Or perhaps you could link the instrument names if you like. ] (]) 12:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


:::::::::It is better in terms of paraphrasing, but it is also worse in terms of English language - thus my suggestion. ] (]) 05:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
ps: I cant agree with your edit summary because you didn't leave one, --] (]) 07:42, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks a lot. How about second sentence rewrite: Stolz won four races in the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. ] (]) 05:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
:In {{diff2|552368313|this edit}} you undid the contribution of another editor without an edit summary. You are experienced enough to know that such action is reserved for indisputable vandalism only. This was not vandalism and your action was extraordinarily rude, not least when you consider that the editor you insulted is one of the kindest, gentlest Wikipedians editing today. You really owe her an apology. --] (]) 11:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::I'm afraid I can't agree with most of your statement. Certainly it wasn't vandalism, but the default edit summary was in this case an accurate expression of my edit and didn't (IMO) make any judgement of her edit - it wasn't rollback or Twinkle, both of which do so. After all, you had previously objected to "rm", which would also be an accurate description of the edit. (Your somewhat one-sided language policing does rather limit options). I'd be happy to discuss the edit with Gerda if she wishes, although I'm not sure we can come to much agreement given her comment above and previous complaints about the topic in general. ] (]) 12:31, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry, Nikki, but that's really unacceptable. You've been editing for over seven years now and you cannot simply claim that you've never read the injunction at the top of the page whenever you use the undo function:
If you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary. Do not use the default message only.
You know as well as any experienced editor that undoing with the default edit message is for vandalism only and implicitly casting Gerda's good-faith efforts to improve an article as vandalism is beyond the pale. Whether or not anyone agrees that a good-faith edit is actually an improvement, it can never be vandalism. If you cast your mind back, I have complained in the past when you have reverted other editors' work with an edit summary of "cleanup". It was not my intention that you should switch to leaving no edit summary at all. When an editor has spent time and effort in making a contribution, it is appallingly uncollegiate to throw it out without even taking a few moments to explain why. --] (]) 15:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Fine. I will use a different edit summary on the next occasion, and we will agree to disagree on exactly what behaviour counts as "appallingly uncollegiate". ] (]) 15:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::::: Thank you, Nikki, I have no problem with that. --] (]) 15:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't know how to react, because you combined two independent entries. For the Bach cantata edit, I need more time to explain than I have right now. For the infobox on the church, which my edit summary when I entered it had marked as "start infobox" (stress on "start"), I would like to discuss, yes please. I don't know what in my statement above could be interpreted as "complaint". It's simply fact that the edit to ] is not properly formatted (details above), and misses the number of violin parts. Please see the talk of the template for now, --] (]) 13:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:I'm watching. So since consensus regarding abbreviations is against you, which of the following would you prefer: removing the instrumentation entirely; simplifying (to something like "instrumental ensemble" or similar); linking and flatlisting the list of instrument names. I'd prefer option 2, but I'd be happy to accommodate whichever of those you might like (keeping in mind that there have been objections to #3 from others in the discussion). (By the way, while you're here - are you aware of ]?). ] (]) 13:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:: (ec) Repeating: I have no time to discuss the cantatas now, it's too complex and has no easy solution, none of the three you suggest. - I am interested in a "late" explanation of your revert of a start of the church infobox. --] (]) 13:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Okay, let me know when you have time - in the interim, though, you shouldn't be reverting if you don't have time to discuss. Your infobox has already been edit-warred in without any discussion, as usual, so I guess you'll be happy with that. ] (]) 13:55, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Define happy. Hearing "edit-warred", I am not happy. To avoid a next time, I would like to know why you reverted, and why you reverted without leaving a hint of explanation, --] (]) 14:19, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::This still being open, I see you changing Bach cantatas. Please keep in mind, that for all of them, the English translation is only a translation, not a title, no italics please. The individual instruments are of prime importance for Bach, who assigned a specific character to recorder, trumpet, oboe d'amore, you name it, - they should not be reduced to "instruments" (under the edit summary "cleanup"). Please use the Flatlist template for multiple entries on one parameter in the infobox, as the documentation requests. The term "four-voice choir" is not necessarily SATB (could be TTBB, for example), I would not use it, especially as there is an article to the more precise ] that can be linked without a pipe. Happy cleanup, --] (]) 19:57, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::Perhaps you will go through and fix the italics on the other articles, as there are several that already used that formatting before I edited them. As to individual instruments, they are listed in the body of the article, as appropriate; as has been pointed out in several discussions now, the infobox is meant to be a quick summary, and long lists do not contribute to that goal. I did ask you to clarify your wishes earlier, but you declined to do so. Unfortunately, my ] skills are poor ;-) so I rely on my own judgement. ] (]) 20:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I am sorry that you had to read my mind, because I had work other than wiki for most of the day. If you say nothing more about the scoring than soloists - choir - instruments, you can drop it altogether because that is what makes a cantata a cantata. The specific thing about Bach's cantatas is which individual instruments he uses for what text and occasion, as in said in the DYK hook for ]. Why not say that precisely? - Yes, some cantatas are more advanced than others, I go over one a week, no more. - Thanks for cleanup, --] (]) 21:09, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Your latest edit summary "" for a complete removal of the scoring is amusing ;)
What "gerda" would like:
*list the scoring, that's the music, it has a paragraph that should appear in the infobox
*list voices in one line, I thought about it, will propose, please wait
*list all instruments in all Bach cantatas (and the Passion and the Mass in B minor) because that's where the cantatas differ, I tried to find a short way, - if that is not acceptable, I need to think and then discuss a better way (that will be longer), please wait


:::::::::::That has similar issues. ] (]) 00:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Looking at the history of ], at the moment, the reader gets "instruments", before, he got "instruments: abbreviations", forgive me that I believe that was more informative. Please wait,
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::Well, I better stop sarcasm, - I added to the template docu and discussion now. Peace music: all the best for your FAC, and nice to share the present DYK set with yours, --] (]) 22:08, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::I replied at the template talk. - I didn't mention there that the present scoring in the infobox ignores the request in the documentation (second line) that the list should be a template list (as any list in any infobox), --] (]) 07:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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:Hi ], this isn't my article - I think you meant to notify {{noping|CertifiedAmazing2}}? ] (]) 15:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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RE my comments again. ] ] 13:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:PSky, it was an edit conflict, I didn't see your comment. Could you please tone it down and stop being so hostile? We're all trying to improve the article here, and your personal comments really aren't constructive. ] (]) 13:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::Neither is your crusade on infoboxes and continued edit warring and following people around. But you two do what you want on FK. I've taken it off my watchlist. And don't you see the notice that pops up on the screen?] ] 13:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Case in point. I'd love to debate the issue with you, but we can't talk when you're going to be personalizing everything and hurling rhetoric around. It's about the article and the readers, and you flouncing isn't going to help those. Could you please just calm down and discuss the issues constructively? ] (]) 14:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: Hi Nikkimaria. You've once again removed part of someone's post, which I have now restored. These edit conflict problems can be avoided by using the "show changes" button; it makes it obvious when you have removed someone's edit. -- ] (]) 14:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. I sometimes use preview, but not usually that button. ] (]) 14:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::: I gotta be honest, I ''always'' use that button, and sometimes forget to preview. Just try to be more cautious here please. Talk about pushing buttons, poor Pumpkin Sky is getting a little stressed :/ -- ] (]) 14:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::: I don't use either of those button; I just hit save. But if I get an edit conflict I can swipe back through several screens and then hit save. So was probably my fault for doing that - I suspect it wiped out the interim comments. ] (]) 14:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


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:], if you click on "...more" on the description under the video, there's a CC licensing statement there. ] (]) 02:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
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Back in you added <nowiki>{{in popular culture|date=February 2024}}</nowiki> to this article. Was wondering what struck you as being specifically or generally irrelevant in that section. I am going to start work on adding sources for individual entries... - ] (]) 20:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
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:There are many entries in that section, some of which don't appear to be notable, others of which appear to be minor mentions (such as the TMNT example). ] (]) 23:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
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== Question about edit to William Walker ==
Please ask first before moving all the pages for a project you have had no involvement with (AFAIK). ] (]) 14:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
:I was asked to unabbreviate all the GLAM pages, particularly that one. Is there a reason you feel that shouldn't be done? ] (]) 14:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
::By who? I already protested when someone else did the BL ones. It makes the pages more of a pain for those who actually use them, for no great gain in clarity. "BM" is very widely understood over here. ] (]) 14:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Another Believer and Klortho - they were working on moving/categorizing pages and asked for admin assistance in dealing with subpages efficiently. I get that BM is recognized in the UK, but GLAM is meant to be a global project, right? And it's good to be consistent in how those pages are named. ] (]) 15:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
::::There's the unpleasant association with "BM" - shorthand for ] - I don't know how common that abbreviation is in Britain, but it's the first thing I think of when I hear "BM". Another aspect we were talking about is that GLAM volunteers may want to show potential new partners these pages, and making page titles nice and clear would be a benefit there. <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">] ]</span> 15:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::No we don't use that at all! ] (]) 16:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::"We" = ]. ]&nbsp;<sup>]] ]]</sup> 15:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::I hope it won't be like the last NY one which imposed a dreadful US-centric design on the main GLAM pages, and I'm not sure achieved much else. At least that one had some international participation. GLAM Is indeed a "global project" and a handful of people in the US ought to be careful about making sweeping changes to pages relating to projects elsewhere. ] (]) 16:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::::That's true, but at the same time I think you'll agree that the GLAM pages are horribly decentralized onto multiple pages and wikis, and some tidying is in order. :-) ]&nbsp;<sup>]] ]]</sup> 23:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi, I was wondering why you deleted 22 short paragraphs that my students added to this article. Thanks, ] (]) 03:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
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:Hi ], biographies (even short ones) of that many other people are misplaced in an article that is meant to be a biography of Walker himself. I'm in the process of relocating the content and will ping you when that is done. ] (]) 03:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for making the names of those GLAM-related projects a bit clearer... What do you think of my proposal at ]? Mostly looking to drop the "-related" from the project category names. ] (]) 19:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
:I think ] was looking at reorganizing GLAM-related categories - maybe give him a ping about it. ] (]) 04:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::Did so. Thanks for the pointer. :) ] (]) 06:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


::], now done; see ]. ] (]) 03:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
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:], this will be for your students. ] (]) 03:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
re: ]. I saw a post regarding the lead. I wasn't real sure about some of the commas there, but given the reason to "pause" in the discussion - I didn't change anything. I always respect the original author's intent. So in the end, I think it's a beautiful article, and I thank you for all that work. I admit that the topic is not my forte, but a friend or two asked that I have a look and offer a supportive word. You do good work Nikki ... thank you for your efforts. Cheers. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 07:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


==Washington==
== re: Hemingway cats ==
Hi Nikkimaria, I've noticed your help edits on the George Washington page a week or two ago, and also your similar edits on James Madison before that. My thoughts were to ask if you might be interested in looking at the Washington page with the possibility of moving it forward for a promotion. The James Madison article from last year was promoted and I thought it might be nice to do something like this for Washington as well. The Washington page seems to average over 10K page count daily which appears to highlight its visibility to Misplaced Pages readers, and maybe you might think about doing it as a co-nomination. Any thoughts? ] (]) 00:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
You may want to read this: ], specifically "Unless the change is non-controversial (such as vandalism or a duplicate), please do not remove the category from pages before the community has made a decision.". Adding a cat, but not being allowed to delete it, it standard practice, and not gaming the system. Adding cats is allowed so that people can see the full potential scope of a category, especially one nominated for deletion - deleting is disallowed for the same reason (if the cat is deleted by consensus, it will be removed automatically) Best regards, --] (]) 14:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:Sorry, but no. Saying that a category can be added but not removed is absolutely gaming, because it does not allow for the normal consensus-seeking process. You made an edit, it was reverted, you need to allow time for discussion. ] (]) 14:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::Did you actually read the guidance? Have you participated in CfD discussions before? --] (]) 14:47, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes and yes. Have you actually read ], the page you cited incorrectly to kick this off? ] (]) 14:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::::let's just centralize this then at Hemingway.--] (]) 14:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


:Hi ], by promotion do you mean you'd like to nominate it for ]? If so, I think the challenge will be ensuring that ] is met, given the sheer volume of sources out there. ] (]) 00:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
== TFA ==
::Yes, the FA nomination would be next in order. Your comment of the cites is accurate since the article is approaching 500 references. I've done a semi-random citation check of checking one random citation for each group of 20 cites in the article, and the article cites seem to hold up. The main ones among the citations at this time seem to be from the ] biography of Washington which appear with some prominence throughout the article, and the cites look pretty well done. ] (]) 01:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)


Hi Nikki, congrats on the ] -- very happy to be sharing ] of the front page with you... ;-) Cheers, ] (]) 01:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC) :::Are there other biographies that warrant additional prominence, in your view? ] (]) 01:27, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks Ian! ] (]) 04:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
::Excellent article, thank you! Minor point: the picture on the left, right under a heading, as in "Effects", should be avoided, according to the MOS, - but now TFA does it every day ;) --] (]) 07:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


::::From the general standpoint, following the presidents in order, then the James Adams article is currently at FA, while the Jefferson article is somewhat undeveloped. The Madison article was promoted to FA last year, if that is what you were mentioning. The Washington article seems to have gone through an early phase and a later phase of editing in Misplaced Pages's history, with the later phase incorporating a thorough reading of the Chernow biography from 2010 by a previous editor. The Washington article appears to have the highest daily page counts of these four president biographies. ] (]) 17:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Sorry, I wasn't clear - other than Chernow, are there other biographies of Washington that you think should be given prominence in that article? ] (]) 00:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
== 2012 tour of She Has a Name ==


::::::The current construction of the Misplaced Pages Washington biography appears to have started with the 1988 biography written by John Flexner a number of years prior to the Chernow biography in 2010. Chernow I believe currently is the most expansive and competent biography of Washington in recent years. The short list of some of John Ferling's leading book titles contains: Ferling, John E. (1988). ''The First of Men: A Life of George Washington''. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0199752751. ''Setting the World Ablaze: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and the American Revolution''. Oxford University Press. 2002. ISBN 978-0195134094. ''The Ascent of George Washington: The Hidden Political Genius of an American Icon''. Bloomsbury Press. (2009) ISBN 978-1608191826.
Hi Nikki,


::::::The current Misplaced Pages article which presently includes extensive citations to the Chernow biography is comprehensive in the coverage it provides going to about 90K in prose, and might actually be trimmed somewhat in size. ] (]) 15:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
It was great to meet you this past weekend. You asked me to let you know when I initiated my next FAC. I just did so ]. Any constructive comments you are willing to provide there would be greatly appreciated.


] (]) 20:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC) :::::::Sounds like a good plan. ] (]) 18:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I've noticed your previous 'condense' edit from the Madison page and was thinking maybe you could try it for the Washington page also, which you did here: . The wordy parts of the Washington article would benefit from this. My own plan is to start to target the "Commander in Chief" section which appears to be much too long at present, and it often looks like a duplication of the material already found on Misplaced Pages sibling pages for the 'Revolutionary War.' I'll try to start today. Regarding timing for the article upgrade, how does a co-nomination in about one week from now sound? ] (]) 15:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)


:::::::::I think that's a bit tight for a turnaround. I can certainly do a condensing edit this week, but once the content is set there's some additional work to do for FA level - citation formatting, MOS edits, checking image licensing, etc. I'd say two to three weeks is probably more realistic. ] (]) 16:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
== Modern skin ==
::::::::::That sounds pretty good for 2-3 weeks. I've already taken a pass at abridging those subsections I mentioned above in the 'Commander in Chief' section of the Washington article, and the subsections in that section are now all down to 3 paragraphs or less in each subsection. ] (]) 16:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hi ], it looks like verifiability was raised as a concern in previous FACs for the article, so a bit more in-depth spotchecking will be warranted - do you have access to the Chernow biography to check that it supports the material that it should? ] (]) 03:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
I hope it's better now for you, I added some english wikipedia specific 'quickfixes', until the time arrives that the devs get it fixed. —] (] • ]) 22:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm in possession of the Chernow. In addition to the semi-random check of the article which I previously mentioned to you above, given your current note on more in-depth spotchecking I've gone further now. My current check took the first 40 citations in the article and checked all of the Chernow citations one-by-one. The result is that for the first 40 citations, there were 15 Chernow citations which held up very well on a one-by-one basis. For example, the Chernow cite for "tuberculosis" for his brother Lawrence did verify, as did the Chernow cite for "small pox" for George himself. Many of the Chernow cites also are paired as double citations along with other Washington biographers such as Ferling and others. I'm happy to do more checks on this if you think it useful, though this initial batch of Chernow cites has been fairly meticulous as to giving accurate page cites. Separately, I've further trimmed the article and removed some more of the images; the prose length may be lower now by 10K to 15K than previously. Your 'condensing' from yesterday looks effective for the opening sections and I'll look for more of it to come in the remaining sections. I'm going to continue with more MOS checks for now, and let me know if I should do more with the Chernow spotchecking. ] (]) 20:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:Cool, at least the thing sort of works now, thanks. ] (]) 22:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
That looks like a productive week-end of nice edits for you in the article. Very clever use of the postage stamp image for Long Island. Are there any other areas that might need some further research or proof-reading. ] (]) 15:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)


:I was looking through some of the old reviews, and one major issue that came up other than verifiability and length was the use of dated and/or web sources over recent scholarship. There's a few dated sources remaining - do you want to take a look at potential replacements? Thinking particularly of Adams 1928 which should be a fairly straightforward swap. ] (]) 00:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
== ''The Signpost'': 29 April 2013 ==

::Also Freedman, which appears to be juvenile literature - that was another type of sources that was raised as to be avoided. ] (]) 00:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Agreed on Freedman, and his book is now switched out with my rewrites for the new source which I have added. Alter wording as needed. The Adams (1928) cite on Benedict Arnold seems innocent enough and appears accurate. Let me know if you want it changed out. ] (]) 01:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

::::I don't think accuracy is an issue, and I don't think we need to absolutely eliminate all older works, but I do think this particular one is worth replacing - it should be easy to do and not worth drawing extra scrutiny over.
:::::Agreed. I'll try to have it switched out in the morning. ] (]) 01:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Adams 1928 removal was more of a clean-up than a revision since his material is covered by the Philbrick and Chernow cites already there. Let me know if there are more of these or if further research might be needed after your good trims from earlier. ] (]) 16:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Cite #30 in article appears to have stopped working correctly on this edit . Cite format listed in cite #30 itself for Coe in Bibliography. Could you look at it? ] (]) 00:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:I'm noticing the Holiday Greetings you are receiving below, and its been 2 weeks of improvement edits to Washington. Any thoughts of whether it might be good timing for putting the article up for FAC either before or after holiday celebration in 4 days? ] (]) 21:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

::I'd suggest 27 December. In the interim, can you look through the old reviews and double-check that you think the previous objections have been satisfied? I think we're close but another pair of eyes wouldn't hurt. ] (]) 00:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Sounds good for 27 December. The cites seem to have largely been holding up, and I'll double check another ten of them today. ] (]) 15:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::P.s. I've just done all of "T to Z" in the book cites, and "Twohig, Dorothy (2001)" is coming back as an insecure link on my screen. Could you give it a look. The others are linking successfully mostly to Google Books. ] (]) 15:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::P.s. I've continued further this morning and just done all of "P to Z" in the book cites, and "Rasmussen, William M. S.; Tilton, Robert S. (1999). George Washington: The Man Behind the Myths. University Press of Virginia," is linking to a book about Hamilton by another author. I could just drop the link though I thought you might want to know. I'll try to do more cite link checks this evening. ] (]) 15:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::P.s. All the rest of the cite links for books did check out now from "A to Z". I'm not sure I'll be signing on much for the next day or two until Thursday and Friday. Good holidays. ] (]) 00:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
It looks like GMT is saying that it is 11-27-2024 and I'm thinking that I could put it on FAC either now or tomorrow night, unless you would like to do it at a different time. Article looks fairly stable. Any preferences? ] (]) 00:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:Either is fine with me. ] (]) 00:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::Nomination is in with your name added in the preface to the nomination as the co-nominator, and you can add your signature to it whenever you are ready. I'll try to sign in tomorrow morning if there are any comments. ] (]) 01:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
There seem to be new comment on the review page which I've started to address. Maybe you can pick up some of them, and I'll get to more of them tomorrow. ] (]) 15:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:More from Gog the Mild which I've started on. Maybe you can look at another of the subsections he looked at. I'll try to sign on tomorrow night again. ] (]) 01:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm discovering this book on the Grand Forage of 1778 which you introduced as a link last week here: . Your link is in the Valley Forge section. It looks like Gog the Mild has added some new comments today, which I'll start in on. ] (]) 15:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Thanks ] - for the lead I'd suggest focusing on Washington's role rather than the general context of the war. ] (]) 00:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Nice to see you are online at this hour. Since you have been handling most of the lede revisions maybe you would like to pick at this time on the edit requests from Gog the Mild? ] (]) 00:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::I've gone ahead and completed those comments from Gog the Mild, and I'll be signing off for now. I'll try to sing on tomorrow night again. ] (]) 01:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Answer me. ] (]) 05:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
I like . Please act on it. The single instrumental parts need to appear, - if the list is too long, they can be abbreviated ;) --] (]) 10:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
:No, they don't. We've been over this already. ] (]) 12:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::Define "we". Voceditenore and I know that they have to appear as substantial information from the article (and I could find a few other people, if you need it). The only question is how they can appear best, you know that we are working on it. Until we found a better solution, the list with all links seems the most precise. --] (]) 13:26, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
:::I know you're working on not addressing concerns. There is no "have to appear", Gerda. ] (]) 13:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::::You know more than I do then. The individual instrumentation of the cantatas is the distinction between them, yes, it has to appear, the infobox should reflect the important facts from the article, that s my concern. Did you read ? --] (]) 19:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::Gerda, not everything can or should be in a box. I know you feel differently, so I've tried multiple ways at compromising and addressing your concerns - but so far you and your compatriots have seemed more interested in reverting. Remember, I told you, compromise not capitulation. ] (]) 19:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::You are so right, not everything belongs in a box. For a piece of music, the essential information about the music (!) should go in the box. For ], that is the scoring. It doesn't take room in the article that would not be white space otherwise. I confess that I have no clue what your interest is. Mine is to represent Bach's music as well as I can. (Please tell me what "compatriots" means.) --] (]) 19:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::ps: , with thanks, --] (]) 07:09, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::pps: you saw what Bach thought about the importance of the instruments, original title for example "Concerto a 1 Oboe, 2 Violini, 2 Viole, Fagotto è 4 Voci coll' Organo", --] (]) 07:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I ''do'' wish people wouldn't treat the infobox as some sort of important summary of the article. It's a superficial and reductive presentation of 'select' information. Hell, the infobox isn't event mandatory. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small><sup>]</sup> 10:04, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


:It means the content was removed because it cited an ]. ] (]) 05:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
== Request for help? ==


== Deaths from cardiovascular disease ==
Thank you for your helpful comments and suggestions on cleanup at the FAC for '']''.


I have to agree with you that not all known causes of disease are defining. However I think the ending of our overly large tree of death by cause articles, which leads to Rome people being in a half smdozen or more death cats, it going to have to be done on a case by case basis. I think Containerizing the cardiovascular disease Category is a good first step. I think the other thing we need to do is take seriously the fact that place of death is not defining.] (]) 03:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps you could help a bit? I'll do my best to address your concerns, but after that I might need some more specific pointers on where to fix up the formatting issues.


Thanks again for your helpful suggestions on this important topic related to ], &mdash; ''']''' (]) 19:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC) :Agreed on the latter, though I hold out hope on the former. ] (]) 03:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:To do the last we need to treat things like "deaths from infectious disease" as container categories all the way down. So that deaths from infectious diseases in California only has sub-categories and no direct articles.] (]) 03:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:Okay, but let's centralize this at the review page - post any questions you might have over there. ] (]) 22:08, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::Sure, I've been trying to focus on your helpful recommendations and editing the article to address those. I'm almost done but might be a few more hours. &mdash; ''']''' (]) 02:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
{{outdent}}Update: I've posted a response at ].


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:Update: Added responses to your 2nd set of recommendations. I agree the article is looking better thanks to your help! Thanks again, &mdash; ''']''' (]) 20:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks very much for your great suggestions, we've made a bit of changes to address them, and also done several passes of copyediting. Care to have another look and perhaps reevaluate your position at ]? :) &mdash; ''']''' (]) 01:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Update: {{user|Neelix}} made some really great recommendations and I've gone ahead and implemented all of those suggestions. Perhaps you could reevaluate your position on the article? &mdash; ''']''' (]) 05:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::::Hey Cirt, I'll drop by again after Tony's comments have been addressed - he's raising some more issues with prose. ] (]) 14:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. :) I'll get right on addressing those. Sometimes in my past FAC noms {{user|Tony1}} opposes right away, so it's encouraging he didn't do that and just left some helpful comments, instead. :) His remark at the end of his comments, "Nice to see one of our main experts in the US Supreme Court preparing a nom.", also was motivational for me to go ahead and address things in the hope this FAC nom might actually make it! :) Thank you, &mdash; ''']''' (]) 15:02, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::Update: Okay, I've gone ahead and implemented all the suggested changes made by {{user|Tony1}}. I happened to agree with all of those recommendations so I just incorporated all of them. Hope you're doing well, &mdash; ''']''' (]) 15:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I've gone ahead and implemented all the helpful suggestions, by {{user|Neelix}}, at the FAC. I also trimmed one of the images from the image check by {{user|Crisco 1492}}. Perhaps you can check back and reevaluate your position? Thank you for your time, &mdash; ''']''' (]) 18:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
{{outdent}}'''Update:''' Could you please have another look at '']''? I've left some updates at ]. I went back through your comments and incorporated more of your suggestions and those of others. The article now includes only two (2) quoted sentences in its entirety. Perhaps it is now up to a level where you could reassess your position at the FAC? &mdash; ''']''' (]) 01:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


==Mount Rushmore navbox image==
== Thanks! ==
Probably a better image, thanks (the one replaced was very good except for the pesky cloud). On your image {{tl|Mount Rushmore}}, could that be the shadow and hair of Donald Trump nudging in to take his place to the right of Lincoln? I don't know if I've come to your talk page before, but certainly have joined you in many RM's thoughout the years. Happy holidays and best wishes for 2025. ] (]) 12:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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==Io Saturnalia!==
Hi there - I saw your summary note for ]. Must say, I wasn't aware about dropping accessdates for gbooks. Will try and remember to delete that in the future as it's an autopopulated field in the gbooks citation tool which I use. --] (]) 13:39, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:I know, and it shouldn't be - GBooks are (almost always) digital versions of print books rather than independent web sources. ] (]) 13:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:Just saw this .... if this is the case now (It is what I do anyways) we should talk to someone about removing the parameter from and ]. The tools are used thousands of times a day - thus we will never catch up if the tools are not fixed...loosing battle that we should address.] (]) 17:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


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:Cheers and best to you as well! ] (]) 00:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
==Obiwankenobi==
Stop reverting without discussion. It's rude and dismissive. I've made my case but you
And truth seeker haven't made yours. You can't say take it to talk and then not go to talk.


==Merry Christmas!==
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:No, you stop. There are hundreds of kilobytes of discussion about this all over the wiki, and it's eminently clear that there is no consensus to do much of anything at the moment. Your revert warring is doing a lot of damage, so we need to discuss ''first'', slow things down, talk it out like reasonable human beings. Better yet, why don't you devote this time to working on that category-intersection thing? That looked like a viable idea. In the meantime, if you need a policy-based argument, here one is: ]. It's against you, whether you agree with it or not. ] (]) 14:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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:: Nikki that is a passive aggressive argument. You've reverted 3 times since April 30 but you haven't said a single word on talk. I'm there and have laid out my case. where is yours? The last word in ] is discuss, but you're just silently reverting. Not acceptable. If you have a good argument why Hemingway is either not a man or not a 20th century novelist please bring it to talk. There are not any discussions anywhere on the wiki that I've see that dispute the validity of the by-century cats like {{cl|20th-century American novelists}}, so you're gravely mistaken, And the {{cl|American men novelists}} cat '''cannot be removed from an article currently under discussion''' - you should know this - and truthseeker has already been warned of same on her talk page by experienced admin (brownhairedgirl). So if you wanna to talk, talk - but otherwise plz go away and cut out the passive aggressive silent reverts. --] (]) 15:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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:::First off, try getting her name right. As I've already explained, your assertion regarding the men cat is contrary to policy, and there's plenty of discussion elsewhere to explain why keeping the more general categories is a valid approach. Given the obvious tension surrounding this issue, it would be best to determine what categories the article should have on talk before applying them. As for discussion, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I "haven't said a single word on talk" from - even a cursory glance there will show that to be false. ] (]) 16:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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::: Nikki you've reverted twice since April 30 and have made zero posts to talk since the 30th. Therefore
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:Cheers, best wishes for the new year! ] (]) 16:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Secondly, please rename this Section Header, it is demeaning and gives an impression
That this is how I named the section for people who don't read edit history. It's also childish, and
For someone with a mop I expect more maturity. Please rename to something neutral.


== Wikidata "United States of America" vs "United States" ==
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:Obiwan, there is an ongoing discussion at talk in which three editors, including myself, have objected to all or part of your changes to categories. Whether I respond to every post of yours there or not, consensus is currently against you, so you shouldn't be trying to push your changes through again, and it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that your changes are reverted. Nor should you have been changing comments by other people or reverting me on my own talk page, but as a show of good faith I've changed the header. ] (]) 22:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:: thanks. For another show of good faith, show up at the talk page and make your case. Your last revert
Removed a category you yourself had added a few days earlier so it's completely
Nonsensical and I feel like you're not even reading diffs. Plz propose the set of cats
You accept, those you dont, and reasons why. Silent reverts helps nothing. If you don't show up
At talk, I will assume silence is consent. --] (]) 22:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:I would prefer you actually read what I wrote. I read the diff, and I agree with TK that it's preferable to go back to the status quo while discussions everywhere are ongoing. That's why I reverted both your edit and my own. For now, given the broader discussions going on, it would be better to hash things out at a meta-level first and leave the articles alone until our approach has been solidified. The status quo will do for now. ] (]) 01:11, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


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==DYK for Christum wir sollen loben schon, BWV 121==
You read ] and know that they typically rely on three types of text, contemporary poetry, Bible text and chorale. Which amount in a specific cantata, is important, believe me. I will update the infobox documentation, but not now. Can you can tell me a better way than naming the movements with Bible text and chorale, and more precision than naming the specific passage and chorale? Please improve, --] (]) 20:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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:]: you collapsed, again, knowing that I am against collapsing of infoboxes. Where is your problem? That infobox is not long, and doesn't moving a picture out of context. - Some authors like infoboxes on "their" articles collapsed, - I respect that. --] (]) 20:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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:]: In that case your collapsing creates whitespace,- please explain why you want the poor reader to click once more to get vital information, text and music??? --] (]) 20:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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:]: I read "solo voices: A T B • 2 oboes ..." - if you don't explain by adding "instruments:" before "2 oboes", it looks misleading, if you do, it's longer than {{para|vocal}} and {{para|instrumental}}. This is tomorrows cantata, I will revert as not convinced it's an improvement. --] (]) 21:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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::Gerda, I'm trying to find a way to compromise between what we want. Not everything is important, not everything can be explained well or precisely in a box. We can certainly discuss a different way of compromising, but simply reverting doesn't accomplish that. I've changed the order on 87 to address your concern. The list on 103 is quite long, so collapsing is a good compromise; otherwise, I'd suggest removing the list entirely, as this article is about structure, not the piece as a whole - the table one screen down gives a much more precise overview of instrumentation. On 76, the uncollapsed box displaces a section heading and causes sandwiching of text with the next seciton; the whitespace with the collapse is minimal and much less concerning. On 37, sure: a better way would be to explain it in the article. You just added that template today, and the article was better without it. ] (]) 22:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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:::I am not "simply reverting", I explained above. I am ready to discuss, but it's hard to see you changing things in many articles that you seem not to to understand. Please say whom you mean in "we want". I am dealing with Bach cantatas for three years now, I don't try to put "everything" in the infobox", but the vital information on text and music should appear and be visible. - I don't find any Bach cantata infobox long, compared to politicians. I don't see a problem with a section header (sandwiching a picture would be different). I said before that I don't think collapsing (other than a long list for one parameter) is any good, it's no service to the reader to ask him for an extra click to see something hidden. I have a hard time to accept it in articles of others, much harder in those close to my heart. Do you understand? --] (]) 22:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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::::You said: "I've changed the order on 87 to address your concern." - Sorry, it doesn't work. The standard order is solo voices - choir - orchestra. To mention the choir first was my compromise. To go further as you did and mention the oboes first doesn't make any sense, actually it looks unprofessional. --] (]) 22:33, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Actually, solo - choir - orchestra would also address your concern that a reader might think an oboe was a voice. Why don't we do that, then? Or we could change "solo voice" to "solo vocal". I'm not sure why mentioning choir first would be a compromise, given that it doesn't actually fix anything, so if you prefer the other way that's fine. ] (]) 01:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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::::Yes, Gerda, I understand that you have a hard time accepting anything other than what you want. You've made that abundantly clear. However, what I don't think you understand is that you are already getting almost everything you want. I would much prefer that most of the cantata articles not have any infoboxes at all, because pretty much every example I've looked at is misleading, confusing, or otherwise problematic. The only reason I haven't gone through and removed all of them is because I respect that you like them. So I'm trying to find a way to improve a poor medium, to compromise with you. I've tried many many different approaches at doing that, and almost every effort you have reverted or denigrated. You've also reverted improvements unrelated to the infobox, with no explanation. So yes, Gerda, you are simply reverting, and yes, you are trying to fill pretty much every parameter that infobox has. ] (]) 01:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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:::::I am sorry you see it this way. I think an infobox is a good medium, and if we don't add one, others do. Look what you get if you "google" Bach or Carmen. You go through all Bach cantatas before the discussion on the template talk is even finished, why? - Order: in a vocal work, you mention voices first and separate. Changes to your changes are in order, please consider to do so yourself, I did it for the two of today, fifth Sunday after Easter, called Rogate. In an opera, you don't list an orchestral oboe first, even if it may play a solo in an aria. --] (]) 08:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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== I saw you deleted my edit of Rand Brooks's article where I added his son Alexander died in 2016. ==
== Peace music ==
Is there a reason for it? The article mentioned his first wife being deceased


"He married Lois Laurel (d. 2017)"
Congrats to having it featured! Well deserved, --] (]) 10:10, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


and yet you got rid of my edit of his son's death. I'm a little confused so I'm wondering if there's a reason for it. ] (]) 02:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
== My apologies ==


:Hi ], the source you provided for that claim is ]. ] (]) 02:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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==''Hair''==
Perhaps you might be interested, I've been thinking about a new quality improvement project next &mdash; an intersection between women and the category ].
Thanks for your edits to the Lead at ]. Can you give the rest of the article a similar treatment? Happy New Year, and happy editing! -- ] (]) 06:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


I looked through the category and ] looks like a good one for quality improvement, what do you think? &mdash; ''']''' (]) 20:17, 6 May 2013 (UTC) :Thanks very much! -- ] (]) 00:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:No worries, it happens (and around here "user = male" is more often than not the correct assumption). I'd imagine there'd be a lot of articles needing improvement in that area, but Krug looks like as good a place to start as any. ] (]) 20:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::Ah, glad you agree ] could use some improvements. :) Perhaps you might be interested on a collaboration project? &mdash; ''']''' (]) 20:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hello Nikkimaria. Thanks for approving my Newspaper.com access request on the Misplaced Pages Library at the start of this month. Would you know how long Newspaper.com usually takes to next approve the request? Regards, '''] (] / ])''' 13:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm not going to template a regular who is normally a solid contributor, but you have almost violated 3RR . I'm concerned that you seem to be deliberately collapsing or removing scoring information from these infoboxes and are claiming some sort of consensus exists where I see an ongoing debate with at least 4 or 5 different people all having slightly different nuanced positions. I'm rather tired of infobox wars (infoboxes are good in general, should contain proper documentation for the user to get a quick glance, and "seaofblue" isn't relevant in an infobox, that's a text issue) so I'm not going to be arguing with you a lot about this, but it seems you are rather determined to try and derail the work of a solid content editor for whom I have considerable respect and I do wish you'd stop. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:I have no intention of violating anything. I've already pointed out that your reading of various discussions on the matter has been less than accurate, but I also don't want to argue with you about it, as it's fairly clear we're not going to agree. However, let me just say this: I am trying to show respect for all content editors involved (and there's a conversation above that might provide some background for you). In my opinion, you don't appear to be doing the same. I understand the urge to defend a friend, but I wish you'd stop - you're not helping matters. ] (]) 21:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
:::RE-"I am trying to show respect for all content editors involved" - I don't see how when you continue in edit warring to the limit on multiple articles with multiple editors over a long period of time in your war upon infoboxes until others give up and leave it in the form you want. You've been around plenty long enough to what karma brings in such a case. And admins should know better, they are not immune. ] ] 22:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::::Never claimed to be immune, Pumpkin, but you're not seeing everything. ] (]) 01:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::Oh, and you are? Hardly. But that's okay because you know that John Lennon song, "Instant Karma's gonna get you", and the best part is I won't have to do a single thing. You can't escape karma. ] ] 02:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::Never claimed that either - y'all might read a bit more carefully. ] (]) 02:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::What you say in a discussiona and what your actions are don't mesh--that's the problem.] ] 13:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Pumpkin, it doesn't seem like you're reading what I say in a discussion anyway. But let's leave Ealdgyth's post below as the last word on the matter - she makes good points. ] (]) 13:15, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
: May an outside observer point out that from my viewpoint, both sides have a point about the other side's behavior over infoboxes? The people adding them are definitely pushing to get them into every single article - or at least so it appears. And the guidelines are pretty clear that infoboxes are not required. And I've yet to see a very good discussion that clearly shows a consensus on the project that they are considered "almost required". On the other hand, it doesn't help the people trying to avoid having infoboxes everywhere to adopt the same tactics of just reverting reverting reverting either. There are good points on all sides, and it would help if folks quit treating it quite so much like "my side has to win". That is all. ] - ] 12:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


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== Mary Ball Washington article & years-living ==

I have a couple of thoughts about your removing birth years & death years citing ] in the ] article...
*Many times in colonial American families, duplicate names are repeated from generation to generation and sometimes even repeated within a generation with especially male cousins and various male relatives being given the same name. The only way to keep them straight is to have the birth years & death years given alongside the names. In the Mary Ball Washington article, "Joseph Ball" is a name that is repeated between father and son and so it is helpful to readers to give the birth year & death year along with the name, for instance Joseph Ball(1649–1711) is the father and Joseph Ball (1689–1760) is the son.
*The MOS states "birth and death ''details''"...are the actual years of birth & of death the details meant in this part of the MOS? If these years appear in the sources that are cited, it seems to me that the particular information should also appear in the articles (the months & days, for instance, <u>would</u> seem to be a possible trivial detail.) The actual length of people's lives who are members of notable figures' families - even if these people do not have their own Misplaced Pages article - can be important for our readership. I think including the birth year/death year should be retained.
**Btw when I dug through the changing statements for MOS:Birthdate, I came upon . The editor who added the initial statement seems to mostly have been referring to the subject of the article, that Misplaced Pages didn't need to repeat the ''subject's'' birth year & death year within the article text (especially because that information already appears in the lead section), it doesn't really seem to refer to other people's years-living information within an article. A pattern I noticed for this article is that even if the 2 Joseph Balls' years-lving is restored...well, when the years-living are removed, at least in this article, it reveals a possible iniquity regarding the familial women's information. - ] (]) 19:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Hi ], as far as I'm aware, previous discussions around the issue have come to the consensus that years for family members should generally be excluded (]; I recall a more recent discussion but can't find it at the moment). This seems consistent with ] as well. In the context of this article, in the locations where the dates were included for the two Josephs, they are already being introduced as her father and half-brother, which provides the necessary context. ] (]) 19:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::The linked discussion you mention above was concerned with what "special contextual relevance" meant and there was no resolution. I think the birth year/death year is not trivial, is useful information for our readers, and such information does serve to differentiate, in an immediately clear way, historical people in an article who have the same name. WP:NOTACATALOG wouldn't seem to be all that relevant here since it is only concerned with Misplaced Pages Lists. We will have to agree to disagree on the matter of birth year/death year being included in articles. People's lifespans - when they are born and when they died - seems rather important to me. - ] (]) 20:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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== Specifying borough as place of birth / death in infobox ==
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You approved my application for access to Newspapers.com on Jan. 5, 2025, but it doesn't yet show up in "My Collections". Am I just impatient, or is there a problem? Thanks. ] (]) 15:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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== ACLU History - Any text deleted? ==

Hi. I'm starting to work on ] History section, as mentioned in talk page at ]

Just to confirm: In April 2024, when you split-off the History section into new article ] all the text (from the orig History section) was retained (in the new article) correct? Knowing that would be helpful as I go forward in the main ] article. Thanks 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC) ] (]) 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi ], almost but not quite - are the differences. ] (]) 00:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hello, I need to delete my old username which is redirecting to my page? Can you help me with this deletion? If not, who should I talk to? Thanks in advance. Benzekre (talk) 11:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks like this has gotten sorted? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Yes. Another admin help me out. Thanks anyway! Benzekre (talk) 06:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, I didn't read the whole article. I would like to ask you: do you think what this user wrote is true or not? Almost everything seems fine to me. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I think the article is mostly appropriately balanced. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I hope the article isn't even a little biased against Italy, it wouldn't be fair at all. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Why did you delete Kellogg?

no need to just redirect it as he is such a popular character and has an entire character arc and should not be reduced to a simple page with no text and a simple redirect. Please answer me as to why you did this WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi WikipedianAncientHistorian, the article's only reference was to an open wiki, which is not considered a reliable source. It also does not appear that the character has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, which is what is generally needed to have a standalone article. 20:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

FAC Mentoring

I talked to Gerda Arendt on having my article I'm working on (Sarah Geronimo) for FAC months ago, and she said that she is currently busy with other things. Which is why I'm finding a second mentor for FAC. Do you mind checking the article and my sandbox for any feedback, updates, and improvements? Thank you. ScarletViolet tc 12:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi ScarletViolet, pop music isn't really my area of interest, but I can give some general feedback. Could you clarify your plan regarding the sandbox? Will it replace the current article, or are you going to try to merge the two? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria: Sorry for the late reply. The content of my sandbox will replace the current article once its complete. Currently, I believe it's 85-90% complete. ScarletViolet tc 12:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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Working paper numbers

@Chipmunkdavis: - @CambridgeBayWeather: Not sure what is best to do here. We have some great infomation from User:John Cummings about forest being added all over...however they are using a working paper not peer reviewed or published in an academic journal or offical yet. In the cases of Canada we have "real" numbers. Though the numbers are close to Canada offical numbers they are a bit off. I plan to fix the Canada numbers..but what about the rest?

Working paper = https://openknowledge.fao.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/a6e225da-4a31-4e06-818d-ca3aeadfd635/content

The Forest Resources Assessment Working Paper Series is designed to reflect the activities and progress of the FRA Programme of FAO. Working Papers are not authoritative information sources – they do not reflect the official position of FAO and should not be used for official purposes. Please refer to the FAO forestry website (www.fao.org/forestry) for access to official information. The Forest Resources Assessment Working Paper Series provides an important forum for the rapid release of information related to the FRA programme. Should users find any errors in the documents or would like to provide comments for improving their quality they should contact fra@fao.org

Offical numbers = https://natural-resources.canada.ca/sites/nrcan/files/forest/sof2023/NRCAN_SofForest_Annual_2023_EN_accessible-vf(1).pdf - Moxy🍁 12:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Moxy I'm out of town until Sunday, and I forgot my laptop. I'll take a look on Monday. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 12:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
I saw this pop up on Botswana but haven't taken a closer look yet. As an initial comment, these pushing the same edit over hundreds of articles type missions don't usually lead to great improvement. I'm not opposed to an FAO working paper in principle, but I would not use it over the Canada document you link. CMD (talk) 12:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Chipmunkdavis:, @CambridgeBayWeather:, @Moxy:, just to correct a missunderstanding, to clarify:
  • The numbers do not come from the working paper, the working paper is to provide a reference for the terms used in the text.
  • The numbers come from the main UN Food and Agriculture Organization Global Forest Resources Assessment, the data for Canada is taken from this page. The data for the FRA is collated from each government, so there will also be a Canadian government source which also includes these statistics (perhaps the one you reference). The data collated by the UN is published every 5 years since 1948 so its possible that the source you site is more up to date.
I hope that helps
Thanks
John Cummings (talk) 13:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. It's not a bad source, but like all UN data it should be treated with care. An odd case, for some reason Italy submits a different official English name to the UN than it uses on its constitution's official English translation. CMD (talk) 13:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
I think regardless of sourcing, the level of detail being added is excessive for a top-level country page. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Singapore ethniticities

Regarding the cleanup at Singapore, while ethnicity can sometimes be hard to put figures on, in Singapore it's a strictly regulated system where each person is legally assigned to a race. It would likely be a better reflection of the country for the reader to include that in the infobox instead of citizen vs resident. CMD (talk) 02:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

No objections to swapping from me. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Chicken gun is a game

Shame on you for deleting my edit 36.65.196.37 (talk) 07:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP, if there is sourcing to demonstrate the game is notable, then there can be an article about it and a hatnote that points to that article. But external links don't belong in hatnotes. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

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You should pull out a book on English grammar and review punctuation with respect to subordinate clauses. Your undoing of my edits to Stanley Kubrick show that you are deficient in this area. — Foxtrot1296 (talk) 04:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers.com renewal error

Hi there,

I requested a renewal for complimentary access to Newspapers.com on September 27. However, I cannot access the full archive. When I clicked on "Account Details," it reads under the Subscription info, "You're currently a Registered Guest. This free subscription gets you access to search newspapers but you will not be able to view the full page. Get a paid subscription for access." Birdienest81talk 08:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Birdienest81, your account has to be activated by Newspapers.com before it will have full access - suggest trying again in a week or two. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hallowell

Why did you scratch the pop-cultural ref to The Frozen River? You just asked for relevance; how-ever, it is common in Misplaced Pages articles to include songs and books that focus on the given community. This particular book about Martha Ballard, midwife in the village in the 18th century takes place almost exclusively in the community and gives a picture of its character. Kdammers (talk) 06:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kdammers, per this RfC such entries require secondary sourcing indicating their significance to the topic. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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The Original Barnstar
To Nikkimaria on the occasion of your closing the Minneapolis FAR as kept. A thousand thanks for more than a year's coordination. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Congrats to you on the fine work on that article. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Reference bundling

I assume you seen my reference bundling at Canada. Was thinking of doing this for other FA country articles... because in my view it makes things so much more legible.... what do you think Japan Germany Australia? Help:Citation merging. Moxy🍁 23:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Moxy, I find bundling useful when there's a reason to do it, like adding annotation, but I'm not generally a fan for just combining citations - in my view having multiple clickable numbers is no different from a usability perspective from having multiple citations within one clickable number (plus it makes it harder to repeat a single ref). Nikkimaria (talk) 01:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Bithia Mary Croker

You reversed my correction of her birthplace. It is written on her gravestone, which can be seen on findagrave. Is this not reliable enough? RabbitFromMars (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Oxford DNB also writes "Croker , Bithia Mary (1847–1920), novelist, was born in Warrenpoint, co. Down, on 28 May 1847" (it's paywalled, but this part shows up with a Google search), so I will add Warrenpoint again. RabbitFromMars (talk) 14:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Perfect, I've added that ref, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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Parsec

Unless there's a real reason as to why my popular culture addition about the Terminator and Parscs shouldn't be added, don't remove it. What reason would there be? It's popular culture and I cited the references. Metaphysical typist (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)


https://en.wikipedia.org/Parsec#In_popular_culture — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metaphysical typist (talk • contribs) 22:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Metaphysical typist, this type of content needs reliable, secondary sourcing that indicates its significance in order to be included. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Really?! The pop culture tidbit above mine using citation #23 has an invalid link! I went above and beyond to cite my sources. Metaphysical typist (talk) 06:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes, really - if other entries are inappropriately sourced those should be addressed rather than more added. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Peer Review Request

Hello Nikkimaria, I was wondering if you could give this article a peer review? I saw you on the peer review volunteer page and wanted to ask someone for one. The article is Adi Meyerson and here's the peer review page. She's a jazz bassist in New York City who has released two albums so far. I came across this article a week ago and have been improving it as much as I can. I'm not a very experienced editor and I'm sure I'm missing a lot in this article. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks, Surfinsi (talk) 23:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

rimsky korsakov

hi hi, seen you’ve taken down my rimsky-korsakov infobox, i checked the note and the annexed wiki project, and decided to still add the infobox as the talk page for him isn’t active, how shall i proceed with it? Antniomanso (talk) 10:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The talk page is now active so let's continue this conversation there. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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William D. Hoard portrait

Hi Nikkimaria, I was looking at your comments on the William D. Hoard portrait and I am having a heck of a time fixing the link. The Wisconsin Historical Society doesn't allow direct linking to specific portraits from what I can tell, and this particular version of this image doesn't appear to exist in their archives anymore. Going to the WHS portrait search, searching for William D. Hoard, and downloading their image collection (clicking print on the left side, selecting images) provides a PDF with various images in it of the oil painting, including what appears to be a restored/more color-accurate version on the last page. These images should be public domain, but it's not clear to me if the digital recreations are also public domain, nor if the WHS Terms of Use actually applies in this case or if it only applies to purchased images. I'd be curious for your thoughts and any suggestions you might have. Thanks for looking! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi M4V3R1CK32, iff the original image is PD, I don't think there have been significant enough changes that the new version would be anything other than PD. But what leads you to believe the original is PD? I don't see anything in the WHS portrait record on copyright status, despite what the ToU says. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
The portrait was painted in 1891, so it should be PD by virtue of being published prior to 1929 according to Commons if I am understanding everything correctly. Near the bottom of the portrait entry it says "This portrait was painted in 1891 by James Reeve Stuart (1834-1915)". M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi M4V3R1CK32, publication has a very specific definition in US copyright law, and simply being created or even displayed prior to 1929 does not guarantee that it meets that definition. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Learn something new every day! The portrait entry says this in the second to last paragraph:
This portrait of William Hoard was donated to the State Historical Society of Wisconsin by Governor James O. Davidson. It was noted thusly, "Oil portrait, framed, of Gov. W.D. Hoard, formerly hung in the Executive Chamber, Capitol. Painted by J.R. Stuart, September, 1891." (Proceedings of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin...1907, 1908, p. 92.)
So if I'm reading things correctly I think that would satisfy the requirement in section 1902 by transfer of ownership to be considered published, and it would still be PD by this definition of publication in 1907-1908:
Section 101 of the Copyright Act defines publication as “the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.
Does that make sense to you? I am very much a novice with this kind of thing and want to make sure I'm doing things right. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi M4V3R1CK32, 1902 references distribution to the public - I don't think what's being described here would qualify. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
I wonder if the state historical society being a government agency would impact that at all? In any case, I think the provision for unpublished works or works for hire would apply for it be PD.
Commons says for unpublished works, if there is a "Known author with a known date of death 70 years after the death of author." James Reeve Stuart died in 1915, so it has been more than 70 years since his death and the portrait should be PD under that provision.
If the portrait was work for hire (which seems likely) the copyright term has also expired. Works for hire had their copyright expire 120 years after creation, so anything created prior to 1904 is PD according to the chart I linked on Commons (also available on the Copyright rules by territory page). The portrait was made in 1891, so it has been PD for at least 13 years if it was work for hire and I'm reading things correctly. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
If it was never published before 2003, PD-US-unpublished would be the way to go. Is that known to be the case? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:04, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
I think it may be old enough where even if it had been officially published at some point in the last 100 years, it wouldn't make a difference. The Commons Copyright rules by territory page says the copyright expires when "the earlier of 95 years after first publication or 120 years after creation" comes to pass -- it could be officially published tomorrow under the definition of publication in chapter 1900 but 120 years would still have passed since its creation, so it should still be PD I would think. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 03:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
It might make a difference, depending on if/when it was published. If never before 2003 or definitely before 1929, it's PD. But if it was published at some point after 1929 but before 2003, maybe not. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
That's an interesting interpretation, one that could cause problems for a lot of portraits on Commons now.
When it comes to publication, the " distribute copies... for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display, constitutes publication." We know that the portrait hung in the "executive chamber" (either the governor's office or governor's conference room), both which are a gray area as far "public" areas go. Does that constitute being published under the rule of intent to distribute for public display?
It was also given to a government agency (the historical society) in 1907 or 1908. That agency is charged with the "preservation and care of all records, both printed and written, and all articles and other materials of historic interest and significance placed in its custody" as well as charged with cataloging those materials "for the more convenient reference of all persons who have occasion to consult the collections", including the ability to loan out materials , which sounds an awful lot to me like it was offered to be distributed for public display, constituting publication ~116 years ago, which would make it PD.
I don't know! It's a weird question. Appreciate you sticking with me this long and considering everything on this topic. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 05:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
The original display of the work would fall under "public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication" per 1902. As to the historical society, unless there is an agency-specific exception that I'm not aware of, unpublished materials available in an archival capacity are still considered unpublished. See for example this statement from the Society of American Archivists]. (As they and you note, this creates lots of problems, especially when the provenance of a work is less clear.)
So in terms of moving forward for this image, I'd suggest doing some searching to see what's the earliest confirmed publication of the portrait you can identify. Once we've figured out what that is, the next steps will be much clearer. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi there! Thought I'd circle back to this discussion. I've done all the digging I know how to do, including searching copyright registrations back to 1923, and have seen no instance of the portrait being registered for copyright nor evidence of a formal publication. I took the discussion to the copyright village pump on Commons and editors there believe the portrait to be in the public domain, so I think we should be good. Thanks for all the discussion here! This was a great conversation. Cheers M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

"Murder of"

Over the years I have seen you delete infoboxes within Misplaced Pages articles. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I do not. Is this a thing on Misplaced Pages that there should only be one infobox per page? I agree that having 5 would be excessive, but for a "Murder of" article for example, if there is only one perpetrator involved I fail to see why there is a need to remove an infobox for the perpetrator if one already exists for the victim, especially if the article is already reasonably long. I can't see in Misplaced Pages policy where this a thing to only have 1 infobox per page. Inexpiable (talk) 16:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)\

Hi Inexpiable, these templates are to "summarize key facts about the page's subject", which in the case of these articles is not the perpetrator but rather the event. As per WP:1E, for people who are notable for only one event, we should avoid the creation of pseudobiographies. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

East Germany and Polish People's Republic

Hi Nikkimaria, I see that you keep deleting descriptions in make for governments of Eastern block countries. I personally don't think that the overly short description of "socialist republic" works for either of these two countries. Considering that the type of socialist country they were were Marxist-Leninist in nature, I think it would be more accurate and informative to describe them as what they were, Marxist-Leninist one party socialist republics. There are many other pages of Marxist-Leninist states where they're government description is the same as I had put for East Germany so I don't see why it shouldn't also have its description as such. As for the Polish People's Republic, I think that the inclusion that it was under a stalinist dictatorship from 1947-1956 and the detail about the country being under a military junta are good details as they show how the form of government changed. I think the way you oversimplify the descriptions is reductive and degrades the quality of the articles. WildRaptor777 (talk) 05:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I think the shorter version both identifies the government type and does so at a glance, but you'd be welcome to take your proposal to the articles' talk pages. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
I disagree, but thanks for being reasonable and respectful WildRaptor777 (talk) 01:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
I’ll make sure to take my proposal to the talk page WildRaptor777 (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Why did you remove his Find a grave?Johnny Spasm (talk) 16:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Johnny Spasm, see WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Find a Grave - SchroCat (talk) 16:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
That's the dumbest thing ever. Why would Misplaced Pages have a templet for a source they don't trust?Johnny Spasm (talk) 01:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Haydn discussion

Hello, I wanted to inform you that I added my vote to the infobox discussion for Joseph Haydn and as there appeared to be no consensus (5 votes for, 3 against), I removed the infobox pending further votes as I do not think as it stands there is clear consensus. I also object to how the infobox remained static for months until a new vote after months of no discussion was used to add the infobox. I do not think that adding it at this time is warranted. Barbarbarty (talk) 17:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! Nikkimaria (talk) 21:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Source removal

Hi, I just wanted to explain a little bit more in-depth my reversion of your removal of the sources in Patrick J. Ryan (chaplain). Per Misplaced Pages talk:Citing sources/FAQ, grave markers are valid sources under {{cite sign}}. My understanding is that FindAGrave is not allowed for its user-generated, non-reliable content on obituaries, etc; the URLs in the sources simply give the non-free photos of graves being cited. Seeing as the citations would be valid and reliable without the link, I didn't think that adding the link as an additional piece of information with the grave photos would be an issue. If it is, please remove the links but leave the grave citations themselves. ~Darth Stabro 02:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Darth Stabro, what do you see as the benefit of doing that? Even if they belong to the people mentioned in the article, the graves don't support the claims being made about them. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
The name of his father and the full name (Johanna) of his mother are not found in any other sources at the moment. The Current Biography Yearbook 1955 source is currently offline until the Internet Archive figures its stuff out and the article is currently being reviewed for Good Article, and the reviewer asked for a source for the names other than that source. ~Darth Stabro 02:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
But this source doesn't give you that. Primary sources can be used only for they themselves say, without analysis or synthesis. You can prove that stones with those names exist, but not that they are the parents whose full names you don't have. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough. ~Darth Stabro 02:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Rollback on Josefina Echánove

@Nikkimaria, I understand why you did it because I 99% of the time would have done the same. I get that it looks immensely weird to be changing the birth and death place on a dead person, Josefina Echánove. If you will have read the inline source from the LA times, the memorial that I added from ancestry thru the wiki resources. At some point, someone entered her place of birth and dying in Guanajuato. It's so bad because the Wikidata statement literally says it but cites a source that says the correct birth place of New york, I am at this moment updating the wikidata statements so I won't need to change the info in 7 different languages.

I thought my summaries would be enough to cause a second glance, obviously I was mistaken. Can you please self revert your rollback? RCSCott91 (talk) 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

FYI: the change was done by IP user 201.168.135.200 03:55, 14 October 2024. RCSCott91 (talk) 21:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Done. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Thank you RCSCott91 (talk) 07:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Newspapers.com account struggling to reboot after approval

Howdy Nikkimaria. Ain't the first time I've had to reach out to you about problems with my Newspapers.com account. You reapproved my registration, but the account still says Registered Guest rather than member. Just need a quick refreshers. I've logged out and in multiple times. Just wondering what the update is. Mitch32 01:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mitchazenia, after approval the account has to be processed by Newspapers.com, which takes a bit of time - suggest checking back in a week or two. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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Silverfish Popular Culture

I reverted it and then was going to edit it again to add more reliable sources, but you reverted it before I could add new sources. Then an "edit war" pop-up appeared. Idk, just saying. Deerare2good (talk) 02:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

What sources did you want to add? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
​​Everything You Need To Know About Silverfish
​​​Mob Menagerie: Silverfish | Minecraft
Please let me know if you approve of these sources. None of these are wikis to my knowledge. Deerare2good (talk) 02:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
They're definitely better, but this type of content needs sourcing that demonstrates the subject's cultural impact, rather than just its use - see MOS:IPC. I don't think these quite get there. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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Guy Fawkes Night

Hi, I noticed you reverted my edits. I use ISBN-10 for books published before 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 for books published after 1 January 2007. I don't think this is wrong. Also, you reverted "LLC" deletion, but {{cite book}} states: Corporate designations such as "Ltd", "Inc.", or "GmbH" are not usually included.-- Carnby (talk) 20:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Why do you believe switching to ISBN-10 is correct? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Because ISBN-10 was standard until 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 after 1 January 2007.-- Carnby (talk) 08:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
But when there is an ISBN-13 which is assigned to a work, what do you feel the benefit is of changing it to an ISBN-10? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for accepting my application! However, when I try to access Newspapers.com, I still receive the usual info I would if I used a free account. Is there a reason why? Tavantius (talk) 22:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tavantius, it has to be processed by Newspapers.com - check again in a couple of weeks. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I see you reverted my infobox edits on Richard Wagner.

I have reviewed the talk page and found a discussion on whether or not to include a infobox, but not on the content of the infobox.

I have added such a discussion to get things going: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Richard_Wagner#Infobox_improvements

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Looking forward to your response. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 08:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi MSincccc, it appears so. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, Nikkimaria! It's been a while since we visited. I've been busy growing old. *lol*. I was hoping my access to newspapers.com would have been granted by now–it's been a few weeks–so if it has, I have not received anything confirming it. I'm thinking my only resources about Don Decker (90+ yrs old) will be in news sources, so please advise. As ever...Atsme 💬 📧 21:32, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Atsme, if you log into your account, are you able to access full text? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure to what you're referring. Is that a new feature? I don't have any issues at TWL relative to accessing my saved pages at TWL. This page is what inspired my question. Atsme 💬 📧 12:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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Artwork in biographies

Hey, Nikkimaria. There's a new editor, HejRonja, continuing the cartoon additions of Maitesob that you've been cleaning up after. I've indeffed HejRonja, as the name itself is promotional (compare this edit), and inquired about socking on Maitesob's page. I have a notion that account has probably been abandoned, though. Please let me know if you should come across any more apparent socks that need blocking. Bishonen | tålk 20:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

Will do, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

RV of new category

Hello,

I noticed that you reverted my edits adding some pages to Category:Misplaced Pages Manual of Style (related guidelines) and that you modified Template:Manual of Style. This was my goal - using WP:BRD to test the waters for consensus, because I had no opinions either way on the inclusion of any of those pages. I am going to go ahead and reflect your edits on Template:Style as well. If you have any other thoughts, please feel free to let me know!

Once again, thanks for helping out!

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 06:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Lead sections

So there is now no guidance on how many paragraphs a lead section should be composed of? Rodericksilly (talk) 15:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Correct, it's been switched to a word count. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
So would this user's edit now be considered an acceptable lead layout? Because it looked like a complete mess to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Only_Fools_and_Horses&diff=prev&oldid=1183400464

Rodericksilly (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

You can argue that's a bad edit for other reasons - a pile of short stubby paragraphs is bad writing for reasons other than there being a maximum number of paragraphs allowed. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Rafael Nadal article length

Myself (and another editor) have reduced the length of this article substantially, but I do not find it helpful for you to keep placing a too long tag on it. How about suggesting ways to reduce the length of the page or make changes to it yourself. I agree there is still scope for it to be reduced further (there was already a consensus established for reduction), but I am not prepared to do any more reducing until I know what you think should be removed. Tennishistory1877 (talk) 16:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tennishistory1877, I appreciate that you've done some work there, but there is considerably more needed, and there is an existing suggestion by another editor on the talk page about how to approach that. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
There is a comment on the career section being trimmed, with a reduction in week to week results, is that what you are referring to? Having studied the article, I am surprised how much trivia there is in it. Personally I could not care less what Rafa eats or what films he watches. Also, the sections on equipment sponsorships and endorsements seem far too long to me. Tennishistory1877 (talk) 18:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes, although there are absolutely other opportunities as well. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Library Arcanum

Hey Nikkimaria

I applied for an access to Arcanum. You granted my application on 10 November 2024.

Until now I haven't received any code for the access. Last week I wrote Arcanum and they said that Misplaced Pages Library should provide me with a code.

Kind regards 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 14:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Malo95, you should have received an email - suggest checking your spam. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
I couldn't find the mail. Have you send it to mail@malo95.ch? 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Did you receive a new notification? Nikkimaria (talk) 18:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
I received a message at Misplaced Pages Library. But no E-Mail. Thank you. It works now. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Stockhausen

Please stop removing the opera from Oktophonie's "Related" section. Arguing that the information is contained in the opus number is like saying one can infer from A Clash of King's Dewey Decimal number that it is a sequel to A Game of Thrones. "1. ex 61" means absolutely nothing to most readers. The "Related" field in the musical composition infobox is specifically there for works like this. Trumpetrep (talk) 00:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that comparison makes a lot of sense, and the information is also provided above the image. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Your logic was that the Opus number implied the relationship. That's nonsense. The "Related" field is explicitly there to spell out the relationship.Trumpetrep (talk) 00:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

No, my logic is that you've already linked the piece from the Opus number, and therefore do not need to link it again; there is a broader problem with unnecessary repetition. The Related field doesn't spell out the relationship at all. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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How to protect a user page

How to protect a user page! Thank you. Happy editing! Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X (talk) 14:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X, you can request page protection here, but I'd suggest first having a read through the protection policy - you usually need to present a reason why you think the page needs to be protected according to that policy. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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tell me why Fandom is a unreliable source

You have been deleting my edits to the page "Wolfoo" because it has references from its wiki that is about the latter from Fandom(website). Why is it non-RS?Tell me. Spongebob796 (talk) 01:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Spongebob796, this page provides links to previous discussions, but to summarize, it's because it is a user-generated source. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, sorry mate. Spongebob796 (talk) 08:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution

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Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems/2024 November 29

Information icon Hi there, it seems that you find a copyright problems in Jordan Stolz. I've rewrite it and please check it isn't any problem. Thanks.

Rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he plans to speed up and stay ahead in this season. He shares his feeling and desire to go more faster as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Stolz won four races of the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Stevencocoboy, no, that's not going to be sufficient - that specific excerpt is still closely paraphrased from the source for it, and these kinds of issues appear to be pervasive in the article. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
How should I wrote? Can you give me some opinion? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
In some cases, where opinions or intentions are being expressed, specific phrases like "plans to speed up" can be quoted, as long as they are appropriately marked as being direct quotes and a limited amount of quotation is used. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he intends speed up faster in this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Is this any problems? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes - "this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026" is still copied exactly and "intends speed up faster" is almost the same as "plans to speed up", with the addition of a grammar problem. Perhaps this is a language issue? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Sorry I'm not American and hopefully you can considerate. First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he will training his speed skating skills in this season to prepare his second Olympics. Is this any problems? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be worthwhile to consider contributing to a non-English Misplaced Pages and/or doing tasks that don't involve adding prose? Paraphrasing can be challenging for anyone, and a language barrier only exacerbates that. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
So does it any problem or any mistakes in my rewrite? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 05:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
It is better in terms of paraphrasing, but it is also worse in terms of English language - thus my suggestion. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. How about second sentence rewrite: Stolz won four races in the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. Stevencocoboy (talk) 05:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
That has similar issues. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Rolling Sky moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Rolling Sky. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Apologies! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 01:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Is photo licensed?

Someone recently added this image: File:Frankie Grande Wicked Special Screening in NY.jpg to the Frankie Grande page. I clicked on the image, and it says that it is licensed under the creative commons 3.0 license, but I don't see any license at the source. Am I missing it? Thanks for any help. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Ssilvers, if you click on "...more" on the description under the video, there's a CC licensing statement there. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much! -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Question about edit to Johnstown Flood

Back in February you added {{in popular culture|date=February 2024}} to this article. Was wondering what struck you as being specifically or generally irrelevant in that section. I am going to start work on adding sources for individual entries... - Shearonink (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

There are many entries in that section, some of which don't appear to be notable, others of which appear to be minor mentions (such as the TMNT example). Nikkimaria (talk) 23:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough. I'm going to work on that section & will be removing the maintenance template sometime soon. - Shearonink (talk) 01:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Mentoring for FAC

Hi, I'm contacting you because I noticed your username is listed at WP:FAM and I am interested in nominating a FAC but have never done so in the past. I'm contacting several people listed as FA mentors so if you are busy that is okay. The article is Neurocysticercosis, a parasitic brain disease. I have started a peer review for the article which can be found at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Neurocysticercosis/archive1. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration! IntentionallyDense 21:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Question about edit to William Walker

Hi, I was wondering why you deleted 22 short paragraphs that my students added to this article. Thanks, Iwritehistory100 (talk) 03:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Iwritehistory100, biographies (even short ones) of that many other people are misplaced in an article that is meant to be a biography of Walker himself. I'm in the process of relocating the content and will ping you when that is done. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Iwritehistory100, now done; see List of participants in the Walker affair. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on List of participants in the Walker affair

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Iwritehistory100, this will be for your students. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Washington

Hi Nikkimaria, I've noticed your help edits on the George Washington page a week or two ago, and also your similar edits on James Madison before that. My thoughts were to ask if you might be interested in looking at the Washington page with the possibility of moving it forward for a promotion. The James Madison article from last year was promoted and I thought it might be nice to do something like this for Washington as well. The Washington page seems to average over 10K page count daily which appears to highlight its visibility to Misplaced Pages readers, and maybe you might think about doing it as a co-nomination. Any thoughts? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi ErnestKrause, by promotion do you mean you'd like to nominate it for featured status? If so, I think the challenge will be ensuring that criterion 1c is met, given the sheer volume of sources out there. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes, the FA nomination would be next in order. Your comment of the cites is accurate since the article is approaching 500 references. I've done a semi-random citation check of checking one random citation for each group of 20 cites in the article, and the article cites seem to hold up. The main ones among the citations at this time seem to be from the Ron Chernow biography of Washington which appear with some prominence throughout the article, and the cites look pretty well done. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Are there other biographies that warrant additional prominence, in your view? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:27, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
From the general standpoint, following the presidents in order, then the James Adams article is currently at FA, while the Jefferson article is somewhat undeveloped. The Madison article was promoted to FA last year, if that is what you were mentioning. The Washington article seems to have gone through an early phase and a later phase of editing in Misplaced Pages's history, with the later phase incorporating a thorough reading of the Chernow biography from 2010 by a previous editor. The Washington article appears to have the highest daily page counts of these four president biographies. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't clear - other than Chernow, are there other biographies of Washington that you think should be given prominence in that article? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
The current construction of the Misplaced Pages Washington biography appears to have started with the 1988 biography written by John Flexner a number of years prior to the Chernow biography in 2010. Chernow I believe currently is the most expansive and competent biography of Washington in recent years. The short list of some of John Ferling's leading book titles contains: Ferling, John E. (1988). The First of Men: A Life of George Washington. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0199752751. Setting the World Ablaze: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and the American Revolution. Oxford University Press. 2002. ISBN 978-0195134094. The Ascent of George Washington: The Hidden Political Genius of an American Icon. Bloomsbury Press. (2009) ISBN 978-1608191826.
The current Misplaced Pages article which presently includes extensive citations to the Chernow biography is comprehensive in the coverage it provides going to about 90K in prose, and might actually be trimmed somewhat in size. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Sounds like a good plan. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
I've noticed your previous 'condense' edit from the Madison page and was thinking maybe you could try it for the Washington page also, which you did here: . The wordy parts of the Washington article would benefit from this. My own plan is to start to target the "Commander in Chief" section which appears to be much too long at present, and it often looks like a duplication of the material already found on Misplaced Pages sibling pages for the 'Revolutionary War.' I'll try to start today. Regarding timing for the article upgrade, how does a co-nomination in about one week from now sound? ErnestKrause (talk) 15:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
I think that's a bit tight for a turnaround. I can certainly do a condensing edit this week, but once the content is set there's some additional work to do for FA level - citation formatting, MOS edits, checking image licensing, etc. I'd say two to three weeks is probably more realistic. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
That sounds pretty good for 2-3 weeks. I've already taken a pass at abridging those subsections I mentioned above in the 'Commander in Chief' section of the Washington article, and the subsections in that section are now all down to 3 paragraphs or less in each subsection. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi ErnestKrause, it looks like verifiability was raised as a concern in previous FACs for the article, so a bit more in-depth spotchecking will be warranted - do you have access to the Chernow biography to check that it supports the material that it should? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I'm in possession of the Chernow. In addition to the semi-random check of the article which I previously mentioned to you above, given your current note on more in-depth spotchecking I've gone further now. My current check took the first 40 citations in the article and checked all of the Chernow citations one-by-one. The result is that for the first 40 citations, there were 15 Chernow citations which held up very well on a one-by-one basis. For example, the Chernow cite for "tuberculosis" for his brother Lawrence did verify, as did the Chernow cite for "small pox" for George himself. Many of the Chernow cites also are paired as double citations along with other Washington biographers such as Ferling and others. I'm happy to do more checks on this if you think it useful, though this initial batch of Chernow cites has been fairly meticulous as to giving accurate page cites. Separately, I've further trimmed the article and removed some more of the images; the prose length may be lower now by 10K to 15K than previously. Your 'condensing' from yesterday looks effective for the opening sections and I'll look for more of it to come in the remaining sections. I'm going to continue with more MOS checks for now, and let me know if I should do more with the Chernow spotchecking. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

That looks like a productive week-end of nice edits for you in the article. Very clever use of the postage stamp image for Long Island. Are there any other areas that might need some further research or proof-reading. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I was looking through some of the old reviews, and one major issue that came up other than verifiability and length was the use of dated and/or web sources over recent scholarship. There's a few dated sources remaining - do you want to take a look at potential replacements? Thinking particularly of Adams 1928 which should be a fairly straightforward swap. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Also Freedman, which appears to be juvenile literature - that was another type of sources that was raised as to be avoided. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Agreed on Freedman, and his book is now switched out with my rewrites for the new source which I have added. Alter wording as needed. The Adams (1928) cite on Benedict Arnold seems innocent enough and appears accurate. Let me know if you want it changed out. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
I don't think accuracy is an issue, and I don't think we need to absolutely eliminate all older works, but I do think this particular one is worth replacing - it should be easy to do and not worth drawing extra scrutiny over.
Agreed. I'll try to have it switched out in the morning. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Adams 1928 removal was more of a clean-up than a revision since his material is covered by the Philbrick and Chernow cites already there. Let me know if there are more of these or if further research might be needed after your good trims from earlier. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Cite #30 in article appears to have stopped working correctly on this edit . Cite format listed in cite #30 itself for Coe in Bibliography. Could you look at it? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm noticing the Holiday Greetings you are receiving below, and its been 2 weeks of improvement edits to Washington. Any thoughts of whether it might be good timing for putting the article up for FAC either before or after holiday celebration in 4 days? ErnestKrause (talk) 21:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
I'd suggest 27 December. In the interim, can you look through the old reviews and double-check that you think the previous objections have been satisfied? I think we're close but another pair of eyes wouldn't hurt. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Sounds good for 27 December. The cites seem to have largely been holding up, and I'll double check another ten of them today. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
P.s. I've just done all of "T to Z" in the book cites, and "Twohig, Dorothy (2001)" is coming back as an insecure link on my screen. Could you give it a look. The others are linking successfully mostly to Google Books. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
P.s. I've continued further this morning and just done all of "P to Z" in the book cites, and "Rasmussen, William M. S.; Tilton, Robert S. (1999). George Washington: The Man Behind the Myths. University Press of Virginia," is linking to a book about Hamilton by another author. I could just drop the link though I thought you might want to know. I'll try to do more cite link checks this evening. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
P.s. All the rest of the cite links for books did check out now from "A to Z". I'm not sure I'll be signing on much for the next day or two until Thursday and Friday. Good holidays. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

It looks like GMT is saying that it is 11-27-2024 and I'm thinking that I could put it on FAC either now or tomorrow night, unless you would like to do it at a different time. Article looks fairly stable. Any preferences? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Either is fine with me. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Nomination is in with your name added in the preface to the nomination as the co-nominator, and you can add your signature to it whenever you are ready. I'll try to sign in tomorrow morning if there are any comments. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

There seem to be new comment on the review page which I've started to address. Maybe you can pick up some of them, and I'll get to more of them tomorrow. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

More from Gog the Mild which I've started on. Maybe you can look at another of the subsections he looked at. I'll try to sign on tomorrow night again. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm discovering this book on the Grand Forage of 1778 which you introduced as a link last week here: . Your link is in the Valley Forge section. It looks like Gog the Mild has added some new comments today, which I'll start in on. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks ErnestKrause - for the lead I'd suggest focusing on Washington's role rather than the general context of the war. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Nice to see you are online at this hour. Since you have been handling most of the lede revisions maybe you would like to pick at this time on the edit requests from Gog the Mild? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and completed those comments from Gog the Mild, and I'll be signing off for now. I'll try to sing on tomorrow night again. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Filippo Mazzei spam

Hello Nikkimaria. I noticed our friend who was trying to add extraneous information about Filippo Mazzei to the American Revolution article has been adding the similar content to related articles as well; for instance he added Mazzei to Founding Fathers of the United States and List of military leaders in the American Revolutionary War. And he loves using the phrase "promoter of liberty" to describe Mazzei; as far as I can tell Mazzei is the only person described as such on Misplaced Pages. I've tried to fix these issues but wanted to give you a heads up. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 16:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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What does rm-non RS mean?

Answer me. ZeroTwoAndHiroWW2 (talk) 05:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

It means the content was removed because it cited an unreliable source. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Deaths from cardiovascular disease

I have to agree with you that not all known causes of disease are defining. However I think the ending of our overly large tree of death by cause articles, which leads to Rome people being in a half smdozen or more death cats, it going to have to be done on a case by case basis. I think Containerizing the cardiovascular disease Category is a good first step. I think the other thing we need to do is take seriously the fact that place of death is not defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed on the latter, though I hold out hope on the former. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
To do the last we need to treat things like "deaths from infectious disease" as container categories all the way down. So that deaths from infectious diseases in California only has sub-categories and no direct articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Mount Rushmore navbox image

Probably a better image, thanks (the one replaced was very good except for the pesky cloud). On your image {{Mount Rushmore}}, could that be the shadow and hair of Donald Trump nudging in to take his place to the right of Lincoln? I don't know if I've come to your talk page before, but certainly have joined you in many RM's thoughout the years. Happy holidays and best wishes for 2025. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Cheers. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Io Saturnalia!

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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Cheers and best to you as well! Nikkimaria (talk) 00:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Cheers, best wishes for the new year! Nikkimaria (talk) 16:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata "United States of America" vs "United States"

Nikkimaria -- you've participated in a previous discussion on Wikidata about this topic, which never reached consensus.

I invite you to review a current effort to reach consensus and to participate if you are interested: Wikidata "United States of America" vs "United States" Lorenmaxwell (talk) 10:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Cheers! Nikkimaria (talk) 14:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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story · music · places

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Good article reassessment for British Library

British Library has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I saw you deleted my edit of Rand Brooks's article where I added his son Alexander died in 2016.

Is there a reason for it? The article mentioned his first wife being deceased

"He married Lois Laurel (d. 2017)"

and yet you got rid of my edit of his son's death. I'm a little confused so I'm wondering if there's a reason for it. RayKVega (talk) 02:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi RayKVega, the source you provided for that claim is generally considered unreliable. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hair

Thanks for your edits to the Lead at Hair (musical). Can you give the rest of the article a similar treatment? Happy New Year, and happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello Nikkimaria. Thanks for approving my Newspaper.com access request on the Misplaced Pages Library at the start of this month. Would you know how long Newspaper.com usually takes to next approve the request? Regards, starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Starship, yours was approved already - if you log into your Newspapers.com account you should have full access. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you Nikkimaria. This is certainly a welcome surprise. I logged in and they list me as 'Subscriber'. I suppose it has indeed worked! Lucky I checked in with you or I would just continue to wait. starship.paint (talk / cont) 15:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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Cheers. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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Mary Ball Washington article & years-living

I have a couple of thoughts about your recent edits removing birth years & death years citing MOS:BIRTHDATE in the Mary Ball Washington article...

  • Many times in colonial American families, duplicate names are repeated from generation to generation and sometimes even repeated within a generation with especially male cousins and various male relatives being given the same name. The only way to keep them straight is to have the birth years & death years given alongside the names. In the Mary Ball Washington article, "Joseph Ball" is a name that is repeated between father and son and so it is helpful to readers to give the birth year & death year along with the name, for instance Joseph Ball(1649–1711) is the father and Joseph Ball (1689–1760) is the son.
  • The MOS states "birth and death details"...are the actual years of birth & of death the details meant in this part of the MOS? If these years appear in the sources that are cited, it seems to me that the particular information should also appear in the articles (the months & days, for instance, would seem to be a possible trivial detail.) The actual length of people's lives who are members of notable figures' families - even if these people do not have their own Misplaced Pages article - can be important for our readership. I think including the birth year/death year should be retained.
    • Btw when I dug through the changing statements for MOS:Birthdate, I came upon this edit. The editor who added the initial statement seems to mostly have been referring to the subject of the article, that Misplaced Pages didn't need to repeat the subject's birth year & death year within the article text (especially because that information already appears in the lead section), it doesn't really seem to refer to other people's years-living information within an article. A pattern I noticed for this article is that even if the 2 Joseph Balls' years-lving is restored...well, when the years-living are removed, at least in this article, it reveals a possible iniquity regarding the familial women's information. - Shearonink (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Shearonink, as far as I'm aware, previous discussions around the issue have come to the consensus that years for family members should generally be excluded (example; I recall a more recent discussion but can't find it at the moment). This seems consistent with WP:NOTCATALOG as well. In the context of this article, in the locations where the dates were included for the two Josephs, they are already being introduced as her father and half-brother, which provides the necessary context. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
The linked discussion you mention above was concerned with what "special contextual relevance" meant and there was no resolution. I think the birth year/death year is not trivial, is useful information for our readers, and such information does serve to differentiate, in an immediately clear way, historical people in an article who have the same name. WP:NOTACATALOG wouldn't seem to be all that relevant here since it is only concerned with Misplaced Pages Lists. We will have to agree to disagree on the matter of birth year/death year being included in articles. People's lifespans - when they are born and when they died - seems rather important to me. - Shearonink (talk) 20:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Input on query at ACLU article

Hiya. Your input would be appreciated if you have any thoughts on query at Talk:American_Civil_Liberties_Union#"History"_section_vs_History_of_the_American_Civil_Liberties_Union_.._too_much_overlap? Noleander (talk) 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Penina Moise

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Thank you for your submission to Misplaced Pages! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Please consider archiving much of your User talk page

Your User talk page is so long that it may present challenges for some readers' devices. The current rule-of-thumb is to archive when a Talk page exceeds 75 KB and this page is nearing 400 KB. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 22:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Specifying borough as place of birth / death in infobox

See Template talk:Infobox person#Specifying birth/death place within a city for a discussion I started to address your removal of a borough of New York City as place of birth and death in the infobox for Alan Berkman. I pinged you there, but wanted to be sure that you had been properly notified of the discussion. Alansohn (talk) 14:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Newspapers.com

You approved my application for access to Newspapers.com on Jan. 5, 2025, but it doesn't yet show up in "My Collections". Am I just impatient, or is there a problem? Thanks. Peter Flass (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Peter Flass, it has to be processed by Newspapers.com - check again in a week or two. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! Peter Flass (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

ACLU History - Any text deleted?

Hi. I'm starting to work on ACLU History section, as mentioned in talk page at Talk:American_Civil_Liberties_Union#"History"_section_vs_History_of_the_American_Civil_Liberties_Union_.._too_much_overlap?

Just to confirm: In April 2024, when you split-off the History section into new article History_of_the_American_Civil_Liberties_Union all the text (from the orig History section) was retained (in the new article) correct? Knowing that would be helpful as I go forward in the main ACLU article. Thanks 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC) Noleander (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Noleander, almost but not quite - here are the differences. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)