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	== "Men's liberation" section POV issue ==

	The ] section is written very negatively and with an obvious gender feminism slant. It's clear that no one sympathetic to ] has had any input there. This section has serious ] problems as a result. I actually agree with what it says, but it's blatantly unencyclopedic to write something this totally oppositional here. (There are plenty of politicians I think are moronic, dangerous jackasses, but I'm not allowed to push that point of view in articles about them here, by way of comparison.) — <font face="Trebuchet MS">''']'''   <span style="white-space:nowrap;">] ɖ∘¿<font color="red">¤</font>þ </span>  <small>]</small></font> 09:47, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

	== Advocacy relating to child support ==

	Under ] (distinguished the subsection) I am wondering if this list is extensive enough. For example, I see a commonly written about concern with men's inability to abandon a pregnancy, something which females have agency to do due to exclusive rights to abortion, adoption and abandonment choices. Ideas like both parents (and not just women via consenting to keep pregnancy) having to opt-in to have to support. Shouldn't advocacy regarding child support and procreation consent fairness also be included? ] (]) 17:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

	== Rewrite ==

	The "Men's and fathers' rights movements" section has been tagged as unsourced since July 2010. I removed the unsourced claims and replaced them with content from the MRM and FRM articles. Feel free to expand the section with more references. --] (]) 14:41, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

	== SPLC commentary ==

	The Southern Poverty Law Center's, (SPLC), Intelligence Reports have been declared a reliable sources for Misplaced Pages, so I have been repeated informed. These Intelligence reports have been used by law enforcement and cited by academics. Their commentary on the Men Movement includes,

	:*The men’s movement also includes mail-order-bride shoppers, unregenerate batterers, and wannabe pickup artists who are eager to learn the secrets of “game”—the psychological tricks that supposedly make it easy to seduce women.

	:*The common denominator is their resentment of feminism and of females in general.

	:*Some take an inordinate interest in extremely young women, or fetishize what they see as the ultra-feminine (read: docile) characteristics of South American and Asian women.

	It is not for us to second guess sources but merely record what they say. Clearly this material is significant investigative work and should be included in the page.

	] (]) 02:43, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

	== Use of Weasel Words. ==

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			\| f1 = {{cite journal \|last1=Messner \|first1=Michael A \|title=Forks in the Road of Men’s Gender Politics: Men’s Rights vs Feminist Allies \|journal=International Journal for Crime, Justice and Social Democracy \|date=2016 \|volume=5 \|issue=2 \|pages=6–20 \|doi=10.5204/ijcjsd.v5i2.301 \|issn=2202-8005 \|doi-access=free}} {{block indent\|em=1\|Reprinted in: {{cite book \|editor1-last=O'Toole \|editor1-first=Laura L. \|editor2-last=Schiffman \|editor2-first=Jessica R. \|editor3-last=Sullivan \|editor3-first=Rosemary \|title=Gender Violence: Interdisciplinary Perspectives \|date=2020 \|publisher=New York University Press \|isbn=978-1-4798-4392-3 \|pages=468-483 \|edition=3rd}}}}
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			==Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment==
	RE: "Sociologists Michael Messner and Michael Flood have argued that the term "movement" is problematic..."
			] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-01-11">11 January 2021</span> and <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-04-09">9 April 2021</span>. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ], ].

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	The use of the unqualified term 'sociologist' infers an arms length and expert commentary. Michael Messner and Michael Flood are undeniably from a particular school of thought, in particular they are pro-feminists. Without further qualification the term 'sociologist' becomes a Weasel word. To quote ], " may disguise a biased view.". Messner, Flood and Kimmel are pro-feminists and where appropriate this should be mentioned. ] (]) 17:23, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Are you somehow suggesting that to be "pro-feminist" is to have a prejudice against MRM? Gee. it certainly can be shown that the other way seems to be accurate enough, but I'm not sure that the above statement is true. Perhaps you could start a list of academics who have no personal views about anything at all and then we could draw all our references from that list? ] (]) 19:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	::It must be a joke to suggest that "sociologists" is a ] but "profeminist sociologists" isn't. Please do not quote out of context: ] says that "They may disguise a biased view". Surely you see that the statements are attributed to Messner and Kimmel and that citing ] as a reason for your edits doesn't make any sense. --] (]) 20:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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