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	==May 21==
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	==== RD: Dominique Venner ====		== January 9 ==
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			==== (Posted) 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Dominique Venner		| article = 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election
			| blurb = ] (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year vacancy
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
			| image = Gen._Joseph_K._Aoun_Participates_in_a_Wreath-Laying_at_the_Tomb_of_the_Unknown_Soldier_(cropped).jpg
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
			| recent deaths = no
	| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
	| recent deaths = yes		| ongoing = no
			| ITNR = no
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| altblurb =
	| sources = , ,
			| altblurb2 = ] (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year presidential ]
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	| updated = yes		| updated = yes
			| nominator = Prodrummer619
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
			| creator = Prodrummer619
	| nominator = Andise1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater =		| updaters = Prodrummer619
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			| sign = ] (]) 13:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
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	| nom cmt = An award winning French historian who committed suicide as a result of protesting gay marriage. The section about his death is updated with a good amount of information so far.
	| sign = ] (]) 19:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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	*'''Oppose'''. The BBC headline "Man kills himself inside Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris" does not seem to me to indicate someone with significant enough prior notability for posting. Would we be considering him had he died of a heart attack? If not, then we should not be considering him. If his suicide is in itself considered an ITN-worthy event, then nominate it for a blurb as an event. ] (]) 19:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' while it is being reported, this is a minor individual who has committed a truly selfish act in front of 1,500 innocent people who didn't deserve that in their lives forever. We don't post every monk who self-immolates in protest at genuine human rights issues, we shouldn't post this "man". ] (]) 19:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*I agree with FormerIP that we should effectively negate the manner of his death from this RD consideration. FormerIP's question ''Would we be considering him had he died of a heart attack?'' may well warrant the answer "yes". This individual was notable before his death, and the article is fairly extensive. Considering how he died, it's going to be difficult to make a post-mortem assessment of the "super-notability" that RD seems to require. I'm not going to !vote at the present time, but I will note that this shouldn't be a moral judgement on the man or his final act but rather an ] assessment of pre-death notability. --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 19:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	**I agree with that, but people kill themselves for what they believe every day. Just because this is "sensational" because it happened in Notre Dame and involves a man who is barely notable (in Misplaced Pages terms - 10 or so hits a day on his article), I'd suggest this isn't worth the main page. ] (]) 20:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' on notability, notwithstanding whether this counts as ] or not. '''Oppose''' on quality, with election article in particular needing some tidying up. ] (]) 13:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	==May 20==
			*:@] I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? ] (]) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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			*::Some paragraphs are still written like the election is still ongoing. Also every election session getting its own subsection is overkill—that could definitely be condensed into larger subsections and a single table for every round of voting. ] (]) 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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			*'''Support''', this is highly remarkable and not just some run-of-the-mill election. Lebanon is notorious for its political deadlock, to which this is a surprising exception. Article also looks pretty clean. Skimming it, I saw no major issues and fairly good sourcing. The thirteen rounds of vote tables might be excessive, but are no reason to prevent this nomination from succeeding. ] </span>]] 14:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Important election that can change the Middle East geopolitics. ] (]) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Would like to see a bit of content on the aftermath of Aoun's election today, but the article's in a good enough state to post regardless. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' This is important for the destiny of Lebanon and also the Middle East in general (war with Israel, weapons of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran...) Also, the article quality looks good enough to me. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' finally, after 13 sessions, Lebanon has a president again, hopefully the political crisis there can start to be solved. ]] 19:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' - no ordinary Lebanon election. Important for both the Middle East and geopolitics at large. ] (]) 20:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Posted''' ]] 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			== January 8 ==
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	==== World Table Tennis Championships ====		==== RD: Pritish Nandy ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = 2013 World Table Tennis Championships		| article = Pritish Nandy
			| recent deaths = yes
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
			| sources =
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
	| blurb = At the ''']''', ] wins the ] and ] wins the ].
	| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
	| sources = ,
	| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->		| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
			| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	| nominator = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| nom cmt = .<!-- Additional comments go here ->
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->		| sign = ~~~~<!-- Do NOT change this -->
			}}Indian parliamentarian needs work.] (]) 20:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
	| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = As of nomination, tables and figures are correct, but little prose.
	| nom cmt = ITN/R. Bit of a non-anglophone one here
	| sign = --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 18:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}
	*'''Comment''' you don't me to tell you the article needs several lines of prose and more references before this crowd will even consider it. ] (]) 19:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	* I guess I won't tell The Rambling Man ;), but to everyone else the article clearly is '''not ready''' for posting since it is almost entirely tables. --] (]) 21:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Heh. One issue is that there seems to be very few sources even interested in this. This is ITN/R (at the moment) but with few sources, I'm not sure how successful an update will be. Still, if it's hanging around tomorrow night, I'll give it a go. ] (]) 21:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Article looks good to me ] (]) 1:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	==== RD Ray Manzarek ====
			*'''Oppose''' Article has a bunch of uncited material (sections, sentences and is properly tagged with a refimprove tag).--] (]) 13:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			== January 7 ==
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			==== (Posted) RD: Brian Matusz ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Ray Manzarek		| article = Brian Matusz
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
	| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
	| recent deaths = yes		| recent deaths = yes
			| sources =
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
	| sources =
			| nominator = DarkSide830 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updated = yes
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->		| updaters = Muboshgu<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	| nominator = Jusdafax <!-- Do NOT change this -->		| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
			| sign = &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 02:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater =
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = Manzarek co-founded ] and there would have been no famous ] without his encouragement and subsequent signature keyboard work.
	| sign = ]]] 00:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	}}		}}
	*'''Support''' Pretty big name in music. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 00:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''' Not much on his personal life. But I think the article meets our customary standards. -] (]) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Not Updated''' would like to see sources/reaction--assume I can support this, but not yet. ] (]) 00:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)		*:I'm looking for those details, but not finding anything atm. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 03:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	::I have added a quote from the CEO of the ]. It may be helpful to note that Manzarek played bass keyboards (allowing the Doors to perform without a bass payer) along with the normal keys, so in effect he had twice the impact of a normal band member. ]]] 01:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' {{ec}} I've never heard of him myself, but many people seem to have, and his death is popping up everywhere, at least here in the US. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<span name="TortoiseWrath">]]</span> 01:28, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' A key member of a very influential band and his death has been getting a lot of coverage. He's also considered one of the best rock keyboardists, which adds to his notability. -- ]<sup>]</sup> 01:49, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	::People around the world are familiar with the opening of ]. ]]] 01:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Posted''' --]''''']''''' 04:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Agreed that it meets our usual standards as-is. ] (]) 15:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	====Rios Montt's conviction overturned====
			*Not sure why my nom was the one deleted, but as per that one, '''support'''. Career is well-cited. ] (]) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			**I didn't understand why ''my'' nom was the one deleted since this one had a vote. We can split the difference. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 21:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			**:Because yours was the duplicate nom. ]] 21:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			**::Oh, you're right. DarkSide put it at the bottom of the day, I didn't see it. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 03:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Posted''' ]] 23:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			====RD: Ayla Erduran====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Efraín Ríos Montt		| article = Ayla Erduran
			| recent deaths = yes
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
			| sources =
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
			| updated = yes
	| blurb = The Constitutional Court of Guatemala overturns the genocide conviction of ]
			| nominator = History6042
	| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
			| creator = Albigator
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| updaters = Adem, ForsythiaJo
	| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
			| nom cmt = Turkish violinist who died on January 7.
			| sign = ] '''(])''' 12:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			|}}
			*'''Support''' 1880 characters (299 words) "readable prose size" ] (]) 14:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' No CN notes nor anything that I found that was unreferenced, at least from reading through the article. ] (]) 14:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' - good enough for posting <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 19:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			====(Posted) January 2025 Southern California wildfires ====
			{{ITN candidate
			| article = January 2025 Southern California wildfires
			| blurb = ''']''' in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces at least 80,000 people to evacuate.
			| altblurb = ''']''' in southern California collectively burn over 20,000 acres, killing five and forcing at least 80,000 to evacuate.
			| ongoing = yes
			| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
			| altblurb2 = ''']''' in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces more than 80,000 others to evacuate.
			| altblurb3 =
			| sources = https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/07/us/palisades-brush-fires-california
	| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->		| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
			| nominator = Thewetroadinsummer <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
	| nominator = Carlossuarez46 <!-- Do NOT change this -->		| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->		| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
			| sign = ] (]) 12:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->		| image = 2025 Palisades Fire Seen From Palisades Drive.jpg
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = When a conviction is newsworthy, surely its reversal is so.
	| sign = --] (]) 04:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	*'''Oppose''' Per the ref in the article , the conviction was overturned, but "reset" back a month and sent back to the lower court. If he was permanently cleared of charges, I'd say it's notable, but this is just an interim legal step in the ongoing case. Wait until a final verdict is reached. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 04:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	:*We posted the conviction; now we must report that our prior report was premature - the essence of ] and good journalistic standards. ] (]) 04:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	::*Our report was not premature; the court's conviction was premature. Simply stating that the conviction was "overturned" does not explain the situation very well, due to the "reset" order from the Constitutional Court; I updated the article to reflect that. At the very least, the blurb needs to reflect the court's order better. (There also may be more info in the next few days, since apparently the issue over recusal of judges was ordered to be handled within 24 hours, but nobody seems to know how that's going to be done.) &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 04:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::*The conviction which was reported in our ITN is now known to be non-existent. What happens next is anyone's guess; but the removal of the conviction that has been announced is '''news'''. ] (]) 04:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Strong oppose''' I wouldn’t even say the article is ready for main space. We also almost never post about wildfires. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 00:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	==== 2013 Oklahoma City tornado====
			::I still strongly oppose. Wildfires routinely go over 30,000 acres (heck, we didn't even post about the 300k+-acre ] last year), yet we don't post about ''those''. Media is doomcasting the entire fire, and is highly exaggerating its impacts]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I disagree, while not the biggest, these fires are burning within the borders of the 2nd largest city in the United States. That alone makes this significant. ] (]) 01:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*<s>'''Oppose''' Article is in very rough shape. ] (]) 00:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
			*'''Strong oppose''' - not significant enough in the world, and I'm saying that as someone from California. Bad article quality. ] (]) 00:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:Changing to '''Wait'''. ] (]) 16:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' There is an article that is in better shape than the one being nominated. ] ] (]) 01:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:'''Support''' 5 deaths, significant news coverage and 1,100 structures destroyed. This is also threatening populated areas. ] (]) 02:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' Even considering the second article, we'd not post a wildfire of this size unless it started significant destruction or lives lost. Its only getting attention because its close to LA. --] (]) 01:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:I am going to stress that without any current major threat to life, the only reason this getting the size of coverage is dye to being close to LA, if wildfires if this Suze broke out anywhere else that wasn't near a major city, it would be in footnotes. This is an example of media bias we should try to avoid giving weight to. There may be a true major disaster if the fires get out of hand but it should be obvious that right now this is overly amplified by the media. ] (]) 14:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::Obviously ITN operates a bit differently from the rest of Misplaced Pages, but I think it's best to just say that these sorts of things are significant if and only if reliable sources are calling them significant — regardless of any ] or location criteria. And, right now, I think reliable sources are saying that. ] (]) 17:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Wait''' I'm re-opening this as it's the top story and live in both the and and there seems to be much more to come. It seems absurd to prevent discussion of such a hot topic. Note that there are multiple fires and so we should consider ] to get the big picture. Coverage also keeps highlighting the ] as significant and so maybe that article should appear in the blurb as it's quite substantial and informative and so seems to have a good encyclopedic tone. ]🐉(]) 09:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Wait''' It's too early to tell, but I feel like this should only be posted if it comes out that the damage is unparalleled in LA history ''or'' if it hits something important like the ]. (I sincerely hope neither of those should happen.) Should also say that the blurbs definitely need fixing. ] (]) 10:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*<s>'''Wait''' I think it may be notable enough for a blurb, but it's too early to say for sure.</s> ] (]) 11:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Strong support''' Historic wildfire event (most destructive fire in Los Angeles history, potentially the costliest wildfire ever, 5 deaths confirmed so far, worldwide news coverage). --] (]) 23:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*Unsure if this is a better article target instead ], which covers other fires in the Los Angeles area. ] (]) 11:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Significant destruction of a large urban area. That there’s been no fatalities so far is extraordinary. ] (]) 13:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*<s>'''Support Altblurb3''' as nominator, please let me know if you intend to or want me to modify it.</s> Comment withdrawn as other blurbs have been removed. ] (]) 13:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::{{ping|31.44.227.152}} I don't think you can vote twice. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 13:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Wait, did I? I don't recall voting on this prior and I don't see my name anywhere. Could you in that case merge this to my previous comment or link to the diff? ] (]) 14:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Unless I'm mistaken, nominators can't vote on their own ITNC (correct me if I'm wrong). ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 14:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Ooh, I see what you meant. I meant as nominator of altblurb3. Not as nominator of the article. ] (]) 14:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Ah. In that case, ignore my above comments. :) ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 14:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::] ] 20:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Bad wording on my part. ] (]) 20:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::'''Comment''' {{Ping|Stephen}} Is there any particular reason why you're reverting to your revision of the blurb? I feel it comes across as needlessly dramatic to the more ] wording. ] (]) 02:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:<s>'''Comment''' Slight rewording and update of altblurb3 and including that two people died. ] (]) 18:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
			*'''Wait''', today is an extremely critical fire weather day for the area around this fire. This ''could'' be something worth posting if all the pieces fall into the right place, but we won't know until they do (or don't). 4 thousand acres burnt is routine, but what might not be is 4 thousand acres at 0% containment ''before'' a full extremely critical day (followed by another critical day). ] (]) 14:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::<s>'''Strong oppose''' posting this ''right this second now''. Up to 5000 acres (nearly 3000 for the Palisades fire) but nothing seems out of the ordinary. Just a few months ago we had the ] at nearly 10,000 acres and that was seen as relatively uncommon, so 5000 acres across 2 seems routine at the moment. I also feel this is getting a lot of coverage for being near Los Angeles - again, I see that as routine and sensationalized in nature. ] (]) 18:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
			::Not going to ask for a pull if this is posted. The ] just exploded to >10,000 acres burnt, and directly downstream of it is metro Los Angeles. 0% containment, extremely critical fire conditions. '''Weak support'''. ] (]) 19:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' not a significant destruction or lives lost. ] (]) 15:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*<s>'''Wait''' until more details emerge. I was about to oppose but it turns out that this is still a rapidly developing story – as of this writing, the fires are still ongoing and 0% contained – and while it does seem to be "routine" for now, this has the potential to become one of, if not the largest series of wildfires for this particular part of California. ] (]) 16:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
			:Changing my vote to '''support'''. This has definitely met the criteria for ITN, and has sadly become one of the most infamous wildfire events ever. ] (]) 01:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Weak support''' Wildfires in California are common, but given the close proximity this fire is to LA (the second largest city in the U.S.) and how it's making global headlines, I am leaning to support this blurb. Article is also in good shape. --] (]) 16:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' - Massive news coverage of devastating fires with over a thousand structures destroyed and huge evacuations. Two confirmed deaths so far. Waiting for more confirmed deaths or further damage seems wrong to me. Opposers unconvincing. Altblurb 3 looks best. ] (]) 16:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Strong support''' One of the most historical events in Californian wildlife history, destroyed thousands of properties. Should absolutely be posted. The most famous event in the news right now. ] (]) 18:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Main story on multiple news outlets, large wildfire even for California standards. ] (]) 18:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> - we haven't posted similar fires in other countries, such as ]. Also there's no indication about the death toll. ] (]) 18:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC) - change to '''Support''' - situation clearly has worsened, and deaths will likely grow. ] (]) 05:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:As of right now, 2 deaths confirmed with several injuries. ] (]) 18:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Major news, major impacts, quality article to display. I'm unconvinced by OTHERSTUFF arguments about other fires or MINIMUMDEATH comments. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 18:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:{{u|Muboshgu}}, Respectfully, if ITN regularly snow closes disasters with higher death tolls that involve non-white, non-American people in developing countries dying from floods or typhoons, but immediately "strong support" an average size wildfire which kills 1-2 Californian Americans, I do not see how we can "WP:POLICY" our way out of discussing this blatant double standard. Brushing it off as an "OTHERSTUFF" argument without addressing the substance of the systemic racism and bias accusations is a disservice to the encyclopedia and reduces public trust in the Misplaced Pages mainpage. I might even support this being on ITN in a microcosm, based on my own personal views that we should only really exclude things that are being reported in the media from ITN, in much more narrowed circumstances. However, the double standard is outrageous. ]]] ] 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::I evaluate each item individually. Opposing newsworthy items because they are about the developed world is not the way to fight systemic bias. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 20:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:* '''Soft oppose''' the BBC and British media shouldn’t used to assess whether American news has achieved global notability, we should be looking at English language media in various countries
			:] (]) 19:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			* '''Support''' article seems in decent shape - I've not been paying attention to the story so wanted to find out more and came to wikipedia - I believe the purpose of this page is to point at encyclopaedic articles that people will be looking for - this seems to fit the bill. ] (]) 19:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support'''. This is in the news and the article is in good shape. --] <sup>(])</sup> 19:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			* <s>'''Strong oppose''' on principle. The death toll is 2 and the acreage is not anywhere close to record-breaking.</s> As others have pointed out, there were significantly bigger American wildfires even in the past 12 months. We regularly reject storms and earthquakes that are similarly "usual", only damage a few thousand buildings, and kill 1-2 people. The only difference there is that these are from outside the USA. In fact, I have seen other noms where it is a typhoon or a flood in a developing country, but is SNOW closed - even despite the casualties or total damage costs from these disasters being over 10x higher than this fire. Given this, there is no plausible explanation for why this local wildfire affecting a single American city should now be posted. I am disappointed in the blatant U.S. centrism and bias which once again plagues ITN. ]]] ] 20:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::If you want record breaking, . --] <sup>(])</sup> 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::The keyword is "''may''" and "plausible", not '''has'''. If it was the costliest, I'd support posting it, but right now nobody reports that it is in fact the costliest. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::: Either way, fair enough that the fire may or may not worsen to record-breaking levels. By nature the situation is rapidly evolving. I will strike my strong oppose and replace it with "'''Wait'''". My opposition is admittedly mostly a protest about a double standard given we regularly speedy close similarly deadly disasters, but I will not punish this article or those suffering from this fire especially if this continues to evolve and is clearly notable. ]]] ] 20:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Reuters and the AP find this damage estimate sufficiently credible to be notable, and not without reason, given that the outfit has been doing these estimates credibly for some time. Of course, any estimate of an event recent enough to be on ITN is going to say "may". ] (]) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			* '''Proposed an altblurb.''' ] (]) 21:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:I feel the wording makes it read a bit more like a news headline rather than a blurb. I also think including acres without unit conversions makes it a bit too US-centric given how English language Misplaced Pages is aimed at a global audience, but that's just my opinion. ] (]) 22:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' for now. Wait for the story to develop; it's receiving a lot of coverage in the US but few outside the continent. Some sources point to possibly being record-breaking in damage but remains unconfirmed. ''''']''''' (]) 22:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:International sources: , , , , , . ] 02:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' - Death toll is now at five. ] (]) 23:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' I had closed this last night as premature. Unfortunately the situation has gotten extremely bad with at least 5 confirmed fatalities and an enormous amount of destruction. As of this post, the fires are still out of control and spreading. It is receiving significant coverage outside of the US. IMO this now meets our customary standards for a blurb at ITN. -] (]) 00:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Strongly Support''' - 3 large, uncontained fires within the 2nd largest city in the United States. Widespread coverage among both domestic and international news agencies. - ] (]) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:'''Comment''' Four large fires now, as of a few minutes ago, with mandatory evacuation issued for the Hollywood Hills now. --] (]) 02:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' this appears to be pretty major news now, due to its scale and the size of the city it is affected. <span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:monospace;">'''David Palmer'''//</span>]</span> <sup>(])</sup> 01:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Support''' - Majority of the opposition posted before the situation was getting increasingly worse. ''''']''''' <sup style="color: #246BCE">(] / ])</sup> 01:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' per above. Large complex of fires that are notably urban-adjacent. In the context of impacts, perhaps they do not scale to where some of the fires we've posted in the past have, but with most of these fires completely uncontained, I don't think it's too CRYSTALly to say the impacts will reach that range eventually. ] (]) 02:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Significant coverage in the news - not just local american news sources either - for example, this is on the front page on Al Jazeera and Times of India. ] (]) 02:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			* '''Strong Support''', has had major impacts on one of the world's largest cities, and most culturally important cities in the anglosphere. While a death toll of five isn't particularly notable, there are over 100,000 displaced persons and "numerous injuries". ] 02:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' - Major event in a major city. --] (]) 02:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Strong support''' huge fire with lots of damage. Needs to be up there, especially now that it's spreading. ] (]) 02:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Posted''' ]] 02:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:Comment: Fires in California are regular enough, but not ones that threaten LA. I think it would be better to replace "Southern California" with "Los Angles Metro Area" ] (]) 20:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::The pedantic reason is that some of the fires are outside LA County, and some of the bigger ones are outside LA City. The probably real reason though is to simply avoid that exact pedantic argument from breaking out, plus it is future-proof. ] (]) 21:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Ah, I see. Thanks! ] (]) 23:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			==== RD: Bob Veale ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = 2013 Moore tornado		| article = Bob Veale
			| recent deaths = yes
	| article2 = May 18–20, 2013 tornado outbreak
			| sources =
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
	| blurb = A ''']''' with winds reaching {{convert|200|mph}} strikes ], during a ''']'''.
	| altblurb = A minimum EF4 ] in ] kills dozens.
	| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
	| altblurb = A minimum EF4 ] tornado strikes ], killing dozens.
	| sources =
	| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->		| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
	| nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->		| nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	| updater = Dmarquard
			| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
	| updater2 = Cyclonebiskit
			| sign = &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 18:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
	| sign = --&ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 22:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	] <sup>(]•]•]•])</sup> 23:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)]]
	*'''Support'''. This is clearly going to be a major story, as the devastation is significant. CNN says the tornado was reported as two miles wide. ] (]) 22:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' per 331dot on being a major disaster. Article is in good shape too even with today's developing storms. --] (]) 22:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Wait''', please. As of now we have absolutely no idea what kind of effect this has had aside from the visuals. Once we get a sense of just how much damage was caused and how many were hurt, we'd be better poised to form consensus. '''<sub><font color="#4B0000">Eric</font></sub><small><font color="#550000">Leb</font></small><sup><font color="#660000">01</font></sup> <small>(] &#124; ])</small>''' 22:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	::It's already quite clear that most the town of Moore, OK was pretty much wiped out. Based on the visuals we don't need an exact casualty count here. ] (]) 23:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::We thought that as well when the explosion at the ] happened, but it turned out to be much less catastrophic than it seemed. Hence why I urged not to jump too quickly on this (which we didn't!) '''<sub><font color="#4B0000">Eric</font></sub><small><font color="#550000">Leb</font></small><sup><font color="#660000">01</font></sup> <small>(] &#124; ])</small>''' 01:04, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support <s>when updated</s>''' Significant tornado, massive damage and several casualties already reported. Media worldwide are covering this as a headline story. Blurb needs to be updated to point to ], and note > 200mph ''winds'', not that it was traveling at 200mph. (Current initial information seems somewhat incomplete, but I imagine the full extent will become more clear soon enough.) &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 22:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	** Do we really need a separate article on the one storm out of several? The overall disaster relief will be the same as the rest of the state that's been affected. --] (]) 23:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*** This is probably addressed better on the articles' talk pages themselves, since this probably isn't the best place for a merge discussion; but in any case, the specific Moore tornado does seem notable in its own right from the news coverage being given to it. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 23:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' Six confirmed dead per CNN and based on the devastation, that number will more than likely rise in the coming days. Absolutely worthy of being on ITN.--''']<small>(]<nowiki>|</nowiki>])</small>''' 23:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' One of the largest tornadoes ever. --] (]) 23:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	{{ec|3}}'''Support'''. This is definitely something that we should post (wow 2 miles wide and "the worst ... in the history of the world"), but only after we have a rough idea about fatalities/damage. <b>]</b> ] 23:05, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Question''' has the NWS published coordinates? It would be nice to add before posting. --] (]) 23:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' with a revision of the blurb. The tornado wasn't moving at 200 mph, it had winds up to 200 mph. And that's still preliminary. ] <small>]</small> 23:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*(edit conflict) '''Oppose''' current blurb: It makes it sound like the tornado had a ground-track speed of 200 mph. ]<sup>(] - ])</sup> 23:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	:*Tornadoes are not my forte. Any blurb rewrites would be appreciated. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 23:12, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	::* Your updated blurb seems better, but needs to note ], and point to ]. Maybe stick "catastrophic" at the beginning, and initial information on casualties at the end (though it's really too early to know the true extent of casualties.) &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 23:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::* I'd avoid an adjective here (at least for ITN posting) unless it's a word that comes down from something like the NWS. On the other hand, saying it was an estimated "]" tornado with wind speeds exceeding 200 mph is sufficient qualify to stress the strength of this storm. --] (]) 23:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::* You're right, that's probably overly sensationalistic. The technical description is more than adequate. I edited the location as the original article moved (not sure that's correct procedure as non-nominator, but it was pointing to a redirect.) &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 00:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support'''. Picture forthcoming. ] <sup>(]•]•]•])</sup> 23:12, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support'''. KFOR-TV in Oklahoma City is reporting at least 20 fatalities in an elementary school in Moore. Meteorologists believe it may have been an EF-5 tornado (the highest category of tornado). This is obviously a major disaster, as bad as the May 3, 1999 tornado, if not worse. —]] <span style="font-size:75%">]]</span> 23:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support'''; very significant disaster. (Of course, it's a bit US-centric: do we post Thai disasters with 20 fatalities?) -- ] (]) 00:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Death toll here will likely exceed 100 (37 already reported and it is very early), and yes if someone nominated a Thai disaster with 20 deaths it would probably be posted. I can't recall the last time a proposed natural disaster was rejected. --] (]) 00:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	***37 confirmed dead per FOX . ] (]) 00:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Blurb''' I suggest we focus on Moore, something concise, like "A possible F-5 tornado in Moore, Oklahoma kills dozens". ] (]) 00:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Marked ready, Moore Tornado article is updated and no opposition> ] (]) 00:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - Heavily in the news, no doubt. Lean towards shorter blurb. ]]] 00:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Posted''' with a simple blurb, similar to the usual ITN formatting. Suggestions for improvement of the blurb can continue. --] (]) 00:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
			==== RD: Peter Yarrow ====
	==May 19==
	{{cot|]}}
	{{Portal:Current events/2013 May 19}}
	{{cob}}
	----
	====Yahoo to acquire Tumblr====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Tumblr		| article = Peter Yarrow
	| image =		| recent deaths = yes
			| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
	| blurb = ] announces it intention to acquire ] ''']''' for ]1.1 billion.
			| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
	| recent deaths = no
			| nominator = Mooonswimmer <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| altblurb =
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	| sources =
			| nom cmt = Article is in pretty good shape, needs a handful of citations <!-- Additional comments go here -->
	| updated = no
			| sign = ] 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	| nominator = ThaddeusB
	| updater =
	| updater2 =
	| updater3 =
	| ITNR = no
	| note =
	| nom cmt = Its been a long time since we posted a non-crime related business story on ITN. This is the biggest acquisition I've seen in several months and thus presents an excellent opportunity to get this under represented area on to ITN.
	| sign = --] (]) 05:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	}}		}}
			*'''Not Ready''' for the ]. -] (]) 03:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	*Withholding support pending update. The story's being well covered in many news sources, but I need to know what text we're putting on the main page before I give my full support. --]''''']''''' 05:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			:'''Note:''' only two sentences with {cn} tags remaining, one of which could easily be commented out or removed. ] (]) 17:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Weak Oppose''' - Tumblr while a major microblogging site is not a major brand-name player on the Internet (and arguably, Yahoo, nowadays) If it was like Yahoo buying Facebook, that would be one thing. This is the right point for an ITN, but I don't think this news qualifies as ITN per past discussion on business matters. --] (]) 05:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	**I think we need to adjust our standards. Billion dollar deals are very rare, much more rare than say a natural disaster than kills 20 people. --] (]) 05:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support'''. Seems well sourced. ] (]) 21:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	***Can you quantify how rare? I oppose this for now, but if shown that this is indeed very rare, I'd probably feel differently. I'm not sure how often $1B+ deals do occur. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 06:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	****About one/month on average, but its been several months since the last one, based only on my experience. --] (]) 20:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose (for now)''' Wait for an official announcement. Yahoo!/Tumblr haven't announced anything yet, the news reports so far are only based on ''sources close to the board''. Also change "microblogger" to "microblogging platform" or "microblogging service". ] (]) 06:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' without further evidence of notability. Need evidence that this is more than a routine business deal; while these are major names online, and there is significant news coverage, I'm not convinced that such coverage meets notability guidelines. For example, random Facebook changes are covered in the media as heavily as things like this deal, simply because they're part of the social media sphere that affects the portion of the world that participates in such, and thus drives media coverage. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 06:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*If I recall correctly, we didn't post the (ultimately failed?) Dell leveraged buyout announcement, or Facebook buying Instagram. At least I hope we didn't for either. Or the American Airlines / US Airways merger, which was 10x bigger than this one. Businesses make strategic decisions all the time. I don't see a reason to post this one on ITN especially. '''Oppose'''. '''<font color="navy">]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">]</font>)'' 06:07, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Weak oppose''' - There have been bigger acquisitions than this (Skype's US$6.3 billion purchase by Microsoft comes to mind) and Tumblr isn't a really big player as far as Internet companies go. ] (]) 06:24, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' since it's not a done deal, but only intention for acquiring. I'd support it when the deal is over and the acquisition takes place for sure. This is obviously the first phase in the acquisition process, and it's too early to support something which is not probable to occur. The second phase, in which the acquisition would be announced, and the last phase, when it actually takes place, are worth enough for supporting.--] (]) 09:49, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' - I'm not sure Tumblr is as significant as all that, and this is - as Kiril observes - not a done deal. ] (]) 11:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''<strike>Wait for announcement</strike>''' The Tumblr article says that "they're in talks", but I might support when they announce an agreement. We really missed the boat with the ]. It was approved on March 27 by some stuffy judge with very little fanfare (didn't even make it to the current events portal). It seems with business news, the announcement is the big story, and only if regulators shoot it down do you hear about it again. --] (]) 11:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	**The deal was officially announced today. --] (]) 20:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	***Changing to '''neutral'''. The AA/CACTUS buyout had obvious results: a new gigantic airline and an end to AA's financial woes. The implications for this are less clear. It's more a case of Yahoo adding to it's portfolio of internet properties. The update doesn't do enough to satisfy this. With the acquisition, how does this position Yahoo vs it's competitors? --] (]) 17:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - Interesting tech internet story. Been in the news for days, and of international significance, so it makes a good ITN blurb. ]]] 04:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' I don't remember us posting Facebook's billion dollar acquisition of Instagram (and that was when both were highly fashionable....) and I don't see a good reason to post this, big tech company acquires smaller tech company for ridiculous sum, all too common. ] (]) 17:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	==== Syria ====		==== RD: Jean-Marie Le Pen ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Al-Qusayr offensive (2013)#Battle of al-Qusayr		| article = Jean-Marie Le Pen<!-- Do not wikilink -->
	| image =		| recent deaths = yes
			| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
	| blurb = ] commence a ''']''' in the opposition stronghold of ].
			| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
	| recent deaths = no
			| nominator = Chaotic Enby <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| altblurb =
			| updaters = TDKR Chicago 101<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	| sources =
			| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
	| updated = no
			| sign = ] (] · ]) 12:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| nominator = Lihaas
	| updater =
	| updater2 =
	| updater3 =
	| ITNR = no
	| note = At last a major counter offensive. Weve posted opposition attacks/advances. We not have the other side to balance this.
	| nom cmt =
	| sign = --] (]) 19:17, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	}}		}}
	*'''Oppose''' Thank god the other side is finally fighting back is not a valid rationale--there may be others, but they haven't been given. ] (]) 19:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment'''. If they take the town, that might in principle be postable. But, as things stand, the nomination amounts to "did you know there is a war going on in Syria?". ] (]) 19:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Sticky?] (]) 20:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose'''. What sources are there for this? Like Medeis I'm not really seeing a reason to post. ] (]) 20:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	::] (]) 20:03, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*Update the article, and I will consider the nomination :). ] (]) 20:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC) Edit: '''Support''' now, seems to be significant and widely covered in the media. ] (]) 18:58, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::
	:::] (]) 20:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Actually that's the intl media affirming that the Syrian army is affirming a Syrian army victory. Like I said, though, that would be ITN-able if confirmed, IMO. ] (]) 22:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::] (]) 23:26, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*It might make sense to have a discussion of stickies for Syria and Iraq on the talk page, given there's so much going on on a regular basis. The problem is, of course that we can't predict what ''will'' happen. A North Korea sticky based on news from February would have sat stale for quite a bit. I am not sure that anyone actually comes to wikipedia for such geopolitical topics. (] got 1898 yesterday under its original title) I think it's much more likely we get readers for notable recent deaths and topics like coronations which deal with singular personalities and unique events. (], a recent nomination, got over 100,000 without being posted.) I suspect we need to focus more on our readers, and less on what "should" be notable. ] (]) 00:33, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Iraq was only up a small % of its first day. It got 14092+1837 views on its first full day. That's still a below average # for ITN, though. --] (]) 02:53, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	***I suspected that would be the case given the name was changed, so, in good faith, I mentioned it. The point is still illustrated. And frankly, I do support a sticky. ] (]) 03:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*<s>'''Oppose''' (for now.)</s> This is too vague. What is the scope of the counter-attack? Why is it notable? The blurb and article do not explain this, thus it seems far too vague for ITN. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 04:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	::?
	::
	:::Added a new links to the battle article. While there is a tag there it is mostly for the 2012 article.] (]) 14:16, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::'''Weak support''' after updates; relevance of the counter-offensive is explained more clearly now, but the significance in the overall conflict could be expanded on. Needs some further copyediting. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 17:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support'''-Now with new article. ] (]) 17:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' - No doubt that this topic is ITN-worthy for a blurb. I do however notice the new article is a section of an article with an "unbalanced" tag at the top. That has to be fixed before we go to the Main page with this. ]]] 19:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Not yet ready ''', the article is quite confusing and contains uncredited statements. ] (]) 12:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	<s>*'''Oppose''' unless the blurb is linked to the 2013 battle article:]. Putting two different battles into one article (as is currently done for ]) makes no sense and is ].--] (]) 17:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)</s>
			*'''Support''': "Life and career" section needs to be shortened or split, otherwise support as he's a polarising figure that's defined French far-right politics. ] (]) 13:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	::I went ahead and fixed this.--] (]) 17:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
			**Recent deaths are not posted per importance of the person, but for being of a sufficient quality to post. One could make the equally objective claim that he should not be posted as he was the biggest loser in the history of presidential run-offs, and French far-right politics could not be "defined" by him as his party grew after his daughter kicked him out. With due respect to the dearly departed, I don't think anyone ever suggested that ] transformed any aspect of life on planet Earth. ] (]) 17:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' - a couple of the sections need more references, I've just tagged where. After that good to go, I'm not particularly bothered about the length of the "Life and Career" section, that's the meat of the article and as a whole it's hardly overlong. I would oppose a blurb, just in case anyone is thinking of proposing one! - he has been influential, but not on the level we'd usually blurb for. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 14:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' per above. Pre-emptively '''strongly oppose''' any suggestion of a blurb. ] (]) 16:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Not Ready''' for the ]. If the article can be brought up to scratch, I would give a weak support for a blurb. His influence on far right politics extended well beyond France. -] (]) 18:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Support''' I see no problems with the article. Also I would support a blurb, I can't think of any one individual with more of an impact on French Politics in the modern day than him. ]] 19:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Wait''' - The city is of highly strategic importance. If government forces do take it, then I would support posting that event.--] (]) 17:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
			*<s>'''Support''', no outstanding issues with the article.</s> ] (]) 19:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:There are still 9 citation needed tags and an unreferenced "Decorations" section. So no, there are still issues with the article. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 22:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' – Founding figure of the modern French far-right that now has widespread influence in mainstream French politics. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 17:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Support''' on significance, '''Neutral''' on quality. Three CNs. ] (]) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	==== Nigeria ====
			:'''Support''': Now down to two <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> tags, which is not bad for a 5000-word article. ] (]) 23:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support RD'''. The article isn't perfect but it's good enough to post as an RD. There are over 100 references so we shouldn't hold it up over one or two {{tl|cn}} tags. '''Strong oppose blurb''' - he was a politician who never entered government. ] ] 16:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Support''' – Regardless of personal opinion about this politician, he was widely covered by international press and his death is notable. ] (]) 20:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			==== John Mahama ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Boko Haram#State counter-offensive		| article = John Mahama<!-- Do not wikilink -->
	| image =		| image =
			HE John Dramani Mahama, President of the Republic of Ghana (9041896033).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
	| blurb = Nigeria continues its ''']''' against ], including air strikes and a blockade against its traditional base.
			| blurb = ''']''' (pictured) is sworn in as Ghana's President with ] is sworn in as the first female Vice-president of Ghana.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
	| recent deaths = no
			| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
	| altblurb =
			| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
	| sources =
			| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
	| updated = yes
			| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
	| nominator = Lihaas
			| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
	| updater = Lihaas
			| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
	| updater2 =
			| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
	| updater3 =
	| ITNR = no		| nominator = Heatrave <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
	| note = Ongoing air strikes and a blockade of [populous Nigerian states (and Nigeria is the most populous in Africa). Seems big.
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	| nom cmt =
			| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
	| sign = --] (]) 19:17, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| sign = ] (]) 11:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	*'''Support''' Just from reading the Misplaced Pages article, seems like an extraordinary confrontation. The Boko Haram grouping is mentioned in my lokal news fairly often, and are obviously notable in themselves. ] (]) 20:08, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		* '''Support''' per nom. A significant event in Ghana. --] (]) 11:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' I follow this conflict intently, and I can assure you this is biggest development/news item to emerge in a fairly long time. ] (]) 02:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''' per nom ] (]) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' I've bolded target article and clarified who is pictured. ] (]) 12:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' for now, but would support given an update to support the stated magnitude of the situation. "Seems big" is not a good enough rationale; there needs to be enough information such that the article does reflect whether or not it is "big." &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 04:39, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' The election is the ITNR and while it was nominated in December, it did not meet quality for posting. We don't post inaugurations as "makeup" for an ITNR being missed. --] (]) 12:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	**A country using airstrikes against a group on its own territory is almost per definition notable. ] (]) 09:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' If this was to have been posted, it should have been the election last month. ITN does not post inaugurations when there was a suitable target article, which is now stale. ] 13:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	***That Nigeria ''notably'' used airstrikes in its own territory is not clear from the blurb or the article itself. That it needs to be explained here shows the issue; the article needs to explain why this is notable. Without that being noted and referenced, it doesn't seem to be notable for ITN. The article/blurb need to better present the magnitude of said airstrikes for it to make sense as an ITN item. I don't question that it's perhaps quite notable, after reading other sources, but the given information doesn't suggest that. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 10:05, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	::The blusb and article mention the events or the airstrike AND the blockade.] (]) 13:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' pretty much per Masem and Black Kite. The election was the right time to post this. Sorry, but we cannot compensate it not being posted with the inauguration.--] (]) 15:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' since we didn't post the election ] (]) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::They still do not seem to explain the particular ''relevance'' of those events, though, simply that they occurred. That's my concern. Was this the first major government counter-offensive? Was it some sort of turning point against Boko Haram? It seems like those things may be the case, but I cannot tell from the article. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 16:53, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' significant, in the news and article is in good shape. ] (]) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::To answer your question, yes, this marks a precipitous turning point. ] (]) 17:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Article quality looks satisfactory and this is a significant event. Ideally we post elections, but since we are now double posting prime ministerial successions in Western countries, I'm having a hard time buying the rational in the opposing comments above. Sometimes the double standards around here become a bit too glaring. -] (]) 18:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::Thank you for answering my question, but the real issue is to make the article do so without me needing to ask the question. :) &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 19:07, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			**The difference with prime minister resignations followed by the announcement of their successor months later is because there is a whole election aspect there. We have no idea who will replace Trudeau, for example. Once that election is done and the winner confirmed, we will post that, though not the day that they officially take office.<span id="Masem:1736275777154:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 18:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
	*'''Oppose''' - As the blurb says 'continues', it's not clear what the actual event is here that provides a hook for this posting. ] (]) 11:22, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			**Do you have a specific example of an inauguration that we posted to justify the claim for double standards? I remember to have recently opposed a ] where the rationale for posting was similar as here, that is, to post it because we hadn't posted the election result. Note that this was in the European Union, which is in the Western world, so it's not true that we have double standards for Western countries.--] (]) 21:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	::It started 4 days ago. So its not stale, but its also ongoing] (]) 13:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment'''-I notice above that ] posted the following: "No doubt that this topic is ITN-worthy for a blurb." Please, do tell how this topic differs in essence? In fact, this topic is slightly more strident, within the context of the respective conflicts. ] (]) 03:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)		**:I think it was clear that the election of the Von der Leyen Commission in November was posted because it was the election by the European Parliament (as a parliament can elect a PM) and not a presidential inauguration: the differences between the two events are enormous. ] (]) 23:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			**:*It wasn’t posted, but you’re right. While it was also a formalisation of the results from a previous election, it included another vote by the European Parliament. This inauguration is a pure ceremonial event without any uncertainty. In two weeks, Trump will be inaugurated as president, and that also involves some uncertainty because there are procedural votes. Anyway, my point is that I cannot support such ceremonial event when I oppose any event following an election that formalises the result.--] (]) 23:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			**:I am pretty sure we posted Barack Obama's inauguration as well as his election. -] (]) 01:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			**:*That was a mistake which we shouldn't repeat.--] (]) 10:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Oppose''' just because we didn't post the election doesn't mean we should break the norm and post the inauguration as a replacement. ]] 19:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	==== 2013 IIHF World Championship Final ====
			*'''Support''' Article looks good and highlights a major event for Ghana and the region. ] (]) 07:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per Masem <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 19:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' in principle. If we didn't post at the time of the election, and the reason is for article quality, I think it's reasonable to post when the actual change of power happens. The blurb is a bit awkward, though. Maybe chance "with" to "while"? — ]&nbsp;<sub>]</sub> 00:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' In principal. I think it would be nice to start blurbing notable inaugurations. This one is especially notable as it also reflects the country having a first female president. --] (]) 00:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			==== (Closed) HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia (2024–present) ====
			{{atop|Consensus to post will not develop. ]] 03:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)}}
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = 2013 IIHF World Championship Final		| article = HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia (2024–present)
			| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
	| image =
			| blurb = ] in ] and partly in ]
	| blurb = In ], the ] concludes with ]/] defeating ]/] in ''']'''.
			| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
	| recent deaths = no
			| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
	| altblurb = In ], the ] concludes in the ]/county's ]] as ]/] defeats ]/] in ''']'''.
			| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
	| sources =
			| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
	| updated =
			| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
	| nominator = Hydrox
			| sources =
	| updater = Heymid
			| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
	| updater2 = Kante4
			| nominator = Spworld2 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater3 =
			| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
	| ITNR = yes
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	| note = Game result should be known at around 21:00 UTC
			| nom cmt = ] outbreak in Northeast Asia and partly in India (South Asia)<!-- Additional comments go here -->
	| nom cmt = Some ] bits to consider: if Switzerland wins it is the first time in the tournament's history that Switzerland has won, and if Sweden wins it is the first time sine 1986 that the host country has won the tournament. The suggested blurb is a copy of last year's, but should any of the statistics be reflected in this year's blurb?
	| sign = --] (]) 09:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		| sign = ] (]) 12:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			}}
			*'''Oppose''' This seems to be fairly routine. The explains: {{tq|As expected for this time of year, the Northern Hemisphere winter, there is a month-over-month increase of acute respiratory infections, including seasonal influenza, R.S.V. and human metapneumovirus}}. ]🐉(]) 08:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Oppose''' This virus has existed since 2001 and had routine outbreaks in other parts of the world and per above. ] (]) 11:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per above. ] (]) 11:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:It has not caused a large problem yet other than increasing worries that it may. '''Oppose'''. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 14:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Strong oppose''' Every winter since COVID we see exaggerated stories about 'outbreaks' in China. There's no evidence that there's anything new or unusual. ] (]) 19:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			{{abot}}
			==== (Posted) 2025 Xizang earthquake ====
			{{ITN candidate
			| article = 2025 Xizang earthquake
			| blurb = A ] hits ]. located in the ] leaving 9 dead.
			| recent deaths = no
			| ongoing = no
			| ITNR = no
			| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| sources =
			| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
			| nominator = TheAstorPastor <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
			| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
			| sign = ] (]) 03:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	'''Support''' <del>When a match summary is available</del> when the background section is fully referenced (I think looks good otherwise), due to it's listing at ] as a major tournament with participants from numerous nations. --] ] 16:49, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	: As for the stats I would say no as the important thing here is the first ever win (by a host since 1986). --] ] 16:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	:: So do you mean you are for the altblurb in case Switzerland wins, but not in case Sweden wins? --] (]) 17:03, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	::: Yes thats right the Alt blurb which ever way it ends up. - Sorry I should of made that clearer. --] ] 17:07, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::: That makes lots of sense. First-ever victory is obviously much bigger deal than first victory by the host since X years. --] (]) 17:11, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			:*'''Temporary oppose on article quality''' - quite a short article. I understand there are minimal sources on it(rural area + happened a few hours ago + Chinese censorship stuff) but still.
	*'''Oppose''' completely unreferenced at this time (per the Heineken Cup example below, seemingly irrelevant that it's in ITN/R). ] (]) 19:08, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			:] (]) 04:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	**TRM, thank you so much for pointing that out. I've added the appropriate template to that section in the hopes that it's corrected for posting. --] (]) 19:20, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Could you at least wait until the game has ended and there's something to reference? --] (]) 19:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		::Changing to '''Support'''; similar quality as Port Vila was when it was ITNed. ] (]) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Comment''' Two 7.1 earthquakes just happened - the one in Tibet appears to be an aftershock of another earthquake the same day in Nepal. 9 fatalities across just the Tibet one seems low for an earthquake to be posted, but further updates may increase that figure. ] (]) 04:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	***Could you have waited until there was something to post before nominating it or was it simply a case of getting another nomination? I don't understand. Opposing on quality ground for ITN/R is perfectly justified, surely, since that's the only ground to argue with these types of nominations. Oh, and '''all''' of the existing article can be referenced while you wait for the final result. ] (]) 19:26, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			::USGS only shows one 7.1. ] (]) 04:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	****Sorry for nominating this item prematurely. For my defense, it clearly says in the nomination that the game's result will not be known until 21:00 UTC. I requested opinions regarding the blurb in hopes of establishing a consensus, if you read above. I believe your opposition is just a provocation, as you should know that ] is not a valid nor helpful argument here. --] (]) 19:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			:::I was going off of the Daily Guardian article. I haven't checked its reliability for Misplaced Pages though, but it states there were two 7.1 magnitude earthquakes at 6:35 IST on 7 January, one at 28.86 N 87.51 E in Tibet, and another northeast of ]. These might be the same but they're reported as two separate tremors. ] (]) 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*****It's fine, just reference those things that ''can'' be referenced in the meantime, and then be prepared to write several dozen sentences of referenced prose before it's acceptable. Good luck. ] (]) 19:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			::::The death toll has also risen to 36. I don't know the time in China but by the time we get the article to ITN quality the true death toll will be more clear. Over 7000 rescue personnel tells me the final total might go into the low triple digits, but I'm not going to ] this one way or the other for now. ] (]) 04:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*****No, it's not a provocation, when I looked at the article it had '''not one single reference'''. That was mentioned in my oppose. Your response is neither valid nor helpful. Please, if you haven't already, address those concerns. ] (]) 19:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' per ITN/R. The article lacks information about the summary of the game and its aftermath because it has just ended, so there should be substantial improvements to put it in order for posting.--] (]) 21:20, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''' — Significant casualties, article has been expanded enough and still developing ''''']''''' (]) 05:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose'''. The article has very few sources and is of low quality currently. It would be a shame to post it in this shape. <b>]</b> ] 21:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''' – Rest in peace to the people who died in the strong earthquake. Too many casualties. ] <small>]</small> 06:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' - 53 dead now. ] (]) 06:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' because, as Kiril says, the game has just ended, and the article will be easier to reference soon. But right now I think it's sufficiently referenced. This news is a no-brainer for ITN. Perhaps write: "''In ], the ] concludes with ] defeating ] in ''']''', becoming the first host nation since ] to win the tournament.''" ]] (]) 21:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' - Significant due to deaths. Article looks good to post. ] (]) 06:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	**I've added a summary as well as more references to the article. I think it's ready to be published at ITN. ]] (]) 23:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' per ITN/R, good update. --] (]) 23:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Posted''' ] (]) 07:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' and frame this for people who put sporting events/contests etc. (like Super Bowl, Eurovision, etc.) for an example of what a decent update looks like. This has a sufficient prose update of the event itself being reported on, exactly as it should. --]''''']''''' 02:14, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Posted''' - nice job on the update. I echo Jayron's sentiment, agreeing that this is what an update on a sporting event should look like. --] (]) 03:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Yeah, with an inadequate lead, unreferenced paragraphs in the prose, a vastly ] table, no key for those who are lucky enough to see the "colourful" approach, a match summary with odd ''italicised'' terms that are meaningless to most of the readership, one reference for most of the Summary, (and 40% of refs in Swedish).... sure thing, "nice job". And yet we get bitching about "European" sports updates. Ironic. ] (]) 20:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	***What's really ironic is that someone who bitches constantly about too much "arbitrary" counting, says an update is bad because it uses one source. Using two (or 15) sources for the same exact info would not make it better, and you know it. On the other points, non-English sources are perfectly acceptable, the lead is OK - our standard is not perfection, and this was a match played between two European teams so I have no idea what "double standard" you think I am imposing. Why do you feel the need to make everything personal here? Are you trying to upset and/or chase away everyone who has a different point of view than you, because it sure feels like that is your goal. --] (]) 20:26, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	****No what's ironic is that you made a statement which was patently incorrect. Perhaps you're not aware of what makes a good article, but your position that the update to this article was something akin to a "test case" is depressingly incorrect. There is so much wrong with this article and its "good update" that it should be pulled, but I haven't the time or energy to deal with those who genuinely believe the update made to this article is "what an update on a sporting event should look like". That's just unreal. For 12 hours this article had linkrot issues all over it, the tag was just happily removed by someone who said they'd deal with it at some point. But they didn't. It also suffers from the other problems I've noted above. It's clear there's another issue here, that articles which are promoted to the main page (and I assume this wasn't promoted with stacks of bare URLs for refs, surely not?) in a good state are then allowed to sit with maintenance tags almost immediately afterwards because this process doesn't extend beyond this "getting on the main page" issue. Ship it, then it's someone else's problem.
	****" Are you trying to upset and/or chase away everyone who has a different point of view than you, because it sure feels like that is your goal." No, I just want some of the people here who do nothing but bitch and "vote" to actually step up and edit articles. I know you do Thaddeus, but many, many people here are simply jeering spectators. ] (]) 20:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*****In my opinion, the update was very good. The overall quality of the article is roughly "start class" and can be improved, but that doesn't chance that the update itself was good. It seems to me that you regularly argue a single sentence is a good enough update, so I don't think you have much ground to say this update was inadequate. However, if you had a problem with the update you could have mentioned it before it was posted. Irregardless, by making everything personal you undermine any valid points you have. Edit summaries like "double standards personified" do nothing but provoke people. Based on the multiple personal slaps in your complaint+replies, I doubt you would have even commented if someone else posted it. Your recent behavior towards certain editors recently has been really unbecoming and has only increased hostilities here. An editor of your experience really should know better. --] (]) 21:38, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	******I '''did''' oppose it, as you can see, and you posted it in the middle of the night. It was not a good quality update. And thanks for your advice, always appreciated. ] (]) 06:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	******* You opposed before the update occurred (and before the event even happened), so there is no way I could have known you thought it was insufficient. It's always the "middle of the night" somewhere. --] (]) 21:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	==May 18==		== January 6 ==
	{{cot|]}}		{{cot|]}}
	{{Portal:Current events/2013 May 18}}		{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 6}}
	{{cob}}		{{cob}}
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	==== Heineken Cup ====		====RD: Charles M. Roessel====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = 2012–13 Heineken Cup		| article = Charles M. Roessel
			| recent deaths = yes
	| article2 = 2013 Heineken Cup Final
			| sources =
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
			| updated = yes
	| blurb = In ], the ] concludes with ] defeating ] in ''']'''
			| nominator = History6042
	| recent deaths = no
			| creator = Missvain
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| updaters = Normantas Bataitis
	| sources =
			| nom cmt = Navajo photographer, journalist and academic administrator.
	| updated = no
			| sign = ] '''(])''' 01:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	| updated2 = no
			}}
	| nominator = Modest Genius <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			====RD: John S. Hunkin====
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
			{{ITN candidate
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->		| article = John S. Hunkin
	| ITNR = yes		| recent deaths = yes
			| sources =
	| note = The article(s) need a better update.
			| updated = yes
	| nom cmt = The top club rugby tournament in the northern hemisphere. On ITNR.
			| nominator = Tsc9i8
	| sign = --] ] 21:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| creator = Tsc9i8
			| updaters =
			| nom cmt = Former chief executive of the ]
			| sign = ] (]) 17:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			}}
			====(Posted) Indonesia BRICS ====
			{{ITN candidate
			| article = BRICS
			| blurb = ] is officially made a full member state of ''']'''
			| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
			| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
			| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
			| altblurb2 =
			| sources =
			| updated = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
			| nominator = Sportsnut24<!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
			| nom cmt = Growing int'l supranational body. Pretty important.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
			| sign = ] (]) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	*'''Oppose''' based on article quality. No update, article still written in the future tense, no synopsis of the game, giant orange tag at the top. Fix this up to something we'd be proud of on the main page, and you can consider this opposition withdrawn. --]''''']''''' 21:16, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	::For what it's worth, I agree with those observations. Unfortunately I don't have time to work on the articles right now. ] ] 21:22, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Have done some work on the "final" article, at least to remove the orange tag. ] (]) 22:30, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Updated to correct tense, to include final score, scorers etc. ] (]) 16:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' If you really want to convince non-aficionados of the merits of this, put the name of the sport in the title or the blurb. ] (]) 23:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)		:'''Not yet ready''' The article has multiple CN tags. --] (]) 00:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Comment''' – Could you please provide reliable sources indicating that Indonesia's admission into BRICS is "pretty important"? ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 00:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Good point. Done. ] ] 00:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose'''. Article not updated. Also seems rather insignificant on the scale of world events. ] (]) 23:55, 18 May 2013 (UTC)		::4th largest economy in the world.] (]) 00:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	**What's missing from the article? It's ITN/R, so your opinion regarding the significance is somewhat irrelevant I'm afraid. ] (]) 16:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		:::Indonesia is only the 16th largest nation worldwide by nominal GDP. By population, however, it is 4th worldwide. ] (]) 00:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Here are some article about this news. Seems like ] is now a full member state of ]. --] (]) 02:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::BRICS is a large supranational body. Indonesia joining BRICS is comparable in notability to a country joining the EU. --] (]) 05:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::The countries of the EU are far more integrated with each other than the countries of BRICS. I would not say they're comparable at all. The EU is like the US, BRICS is more like NAFTA. --]] 08:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::BRICS is not even like NAFTA, it's a talking shop with perhaps some joint financial institutions. It's probably more similar to the examples Gotitbro mentions below. ] (]) 09:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Support''' Significant development for an interational body which has received increasing news coverage in recent years. While we should be assessing this item on its own merits if comaprisions are to be made (beyond the EU etc.) would we post if a new member became a part of the ], ], ] etc. For me the answer is yes as expansion among large interational organizations is not frequent and is always major news (also highlighted by the fact that our country articles highlight these organizations in their leads). ] (]) 08:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::And the article appears fine enough for ITN to me. ] (]) 08:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::There's 100+ such organisations and I'm not convinced that changes are always significant. For example, see ]. Notice that this is a full and well-developed article about that addition but that we haven't posted it. The lack of an article for this Indonesia matter seems telling. ]🐉(]) 09:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::ASEAN (a major economic block) and Timor Leste is one I would support posting when the accession happens . 100+ such organisations may exist but do any of them receive the same coverage as this one?, especially its recent expansion has been under much dicussion, see for instance . Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates all joined last year, and that oppurtunity to post was apparently missed twice: ] and ] with similar arguments based on the organization's politics rather than the significant news coverage of its expansion.
			:::As for the last point, ITN does not demand the creation of separate articles and an absence of it may point towards a lack of enwiki editors from Indonedia or those interested in the subject rather than a lack of notability. ] (]) 16:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Needs work''' The update seems perfunctory with no specific details of the politics and impact of this addition. And, it seems that there's a in this latest wave: Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Thailand, Uganda, Uzbekistan. The different status of partner and full member seems opaque as the article says, "It is unclear whether the countries in this tier have received official membership invitations". ]🐉(]) 08:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:Not sure whether that is an RS, but the article makes it apparent these 'partners' are akin to ]s. Indonesia is the only latest member, as from AP makes clear "Indonesia’s candidacy was endorsed by BRICS leaders in August 2023, according to the foreign ministry of Brazil, which holds the group’s presidency for 2025. However, the world's fourth most populous nation opted to formally join the bloc only after the formation of its newly elected government last year." Further "Last year, the alliance expanded to embrace Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia has been invited to join but has not yet done so. ... Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia have formally applied to become members and a few others have expressed interest." ] (]) 17:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::The details seem vague because, as the article explains, "''there is currently no formal application process to join BRICS''". Per , "''BRICS is an informal grouping, it has no founding treaty, secretariat supporting it or headquarters''". Its effectiveness will thus depend on the quality of the rotating presidency. As it adds more minor countries, this will be increasingly volatile. ]🐉(]) 18:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Strong Support''' on notability. Infer to others on quality of the article. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 14:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''C''' It's ITN/R so a vote is not really warranted, but Rugby items are more uncommon and frankly less hyped than AFootball ones. That would work for/against it, depending on your POV. --] (]) 01:08, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	**It's not a "vote" on it's notability(nor is it ever a "vote"; consensus decides things, not a vote), it's a discussion about the quality of the article suggested; it can still be rejected on those grounds. ] (]) 01:11, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''' on notability, a major nation joining a major economic sphere. I find it funny that people are saying the absolutely huge and generally very high-quality BRICS article having a few CN tags makes this not ITN-worthy. --] (]) 21:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose on notability''' BRICS is nothing like ASEAN, EU, NATO, AU or CARICOM. It's China's and Russia's little project to try and score some political allies and try to emulate successful supranational organisations but it has very little relevance politically or economically, mainly due to the fact China, Russia, India and Brazil are not on equal footing in economics nor political clout, and they often have wildly conflicting interests, never mind the smaller members who are only there to make up the numbers. ] (]) 23:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' didn't we already post a rugby union cup contested between the exact same 6 nations? One which has been around for 130 years? I think called the ]? The ] is played by "regional and provincial teams". Sounds like not top of sport to me. --] (]) 15:48, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Sorry, it's ITN/R. If you wish to oppose it based on your own opinion rather than review the article for quality update, then you should attempt to get this delisted from ITN/R. ] (]) 16:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		*:You know you could say the same of Germany/France and the EU, or the US and NATO right ... ] (]) 00:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	***Thank you for your kind clarification, it's truly appreciated. --] (]) 16:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		*::You could not, both of those have strong systems of mutual obligation. ] (]) 05:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			* '''Support''' per Gotitbro. An international organization does not need to be as developed as the EU, CARICOM, or ASEAN for membership to be newsworthy. The bar does not need to be that high, and countries making multilateral groupings is notable international diplomacy in its own right. ] (]) 15:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	****It's been sitting here for a day as an ITN/R. I shouldn't have to clarify these things to you. ] (]) 16:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*****Yes, of course, thank you again, you're correct. --] (]) 16:26, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		* '''Support''' A join of a country in a major bloc is always notable. ] (]) 00:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Posted''' ]] 01:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	******Don't see you using the same "not top-tier" argument for the NCAA noms...--] (]) 20:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' for those of you who understand ITN/R, could you let me know precisely what more you need for the "update" to be sufficient quality for it to be ready to post? Despite most of the blustering editors here, I'm still prepared to actually fix things. Please let me know soonest what you want to see. By the way, I've looked for "reactions" all over the internet, and have failed, if you think I've missed something there, perhaps you can present alternative information that's missing. ] (]) 16:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Maybe it would make sense to add a prose update to the ] and bold link that article. From a WP reader standpoint, I don't see what value a list of players has for me, which is a big part of 2013 Heineken Cup Final. Just a thought. --] (]) 16:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	***The final ''is'' bold linked in the blurb, the list of players is information useful just as you'd expect to know who played in the final of a Superbowl or who played in the final of the FA Cup. What more prose do you expect? (compare ] which was happily posted last year)... ] (]) 16:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	****My sincere apologies if I was unclear. I propose bold linking "2012-13 Heineken Cup" and adding a prose update to the Final section. If an interested reader really cares about the players, they'll find it in 2013 Heineken Cup final. --] (]) 16:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*****Well sure, but last year's final article (which is what ITN/R suggests) was posted, and we should do the same this year. So what's wrong with the final article? ] (]) 19:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	******We don't have to keep doing the same thing year after year. The "route to final" section has helped to build out the article, so the suggestion is moot now. --] (]) 19:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*******Well it's not moot as you still oppose, so what else do you want to see? ] (]) 19:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	********It's fine now, just needed to be padded out. You did great. The 2012-13 Heineken Cup article is also in the blurb. My oppose will be ignored as invalid, so good there. Mark it ready. --] (]) 19:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*********Of course not, that would be a conflict of interest. ] (]) 19:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' the article has already matched last year's final article in content and refs which was posted at ITN. Can someone identify what's actually wrong with the "final" article to stop it being posted? ] (]) 19:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			====(Posted) Resignation of Justin Trudeau ====
	*'''Support''' why is this a debate? We need a new ITN even and is on ITN/R. Is there something against sports at ITN? ]] ] ] 19:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			{{ITN candidate
	*'''Oppose''' What's next, ? Where's the link to the original discussion establishing this as an ITNR item? ] (]) 19:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| article = Resignation of Justin Trudeau
	{{hidden archive top|reason=Collapsing side drama that has been consistently infecting ITN/C. Take it to user talk pages. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 17:59, 20 May 2013 (UTC) }}
			| image = Prime Minister Trudeau's message on Christmas 2023 (0m29s) (cropped).jpg
	**Stop posting trite Youtube videos Meds. And you can find where this was added to ITN/R, I'm sure you can manage that. And note, please follow IP98's lead and do some research to get this actively removed from ITN/R before just wasting more community time. Thanks. ] (]) 19:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| blurb = ] ''(pictured)'' announces his ''']''' as the ] after serving in the role for nine years.
	***I believe that Medeis has indicated that he does not like to be called "Meds". It's only a few extra characters. Medeis, I've nominated this item for removal at ]. --] (]) 19:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
	****Yes, and I've indicated that I'm not keen on "Rambler" or being told to "take meds" but hey ho. ] (]) 19:42, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
	*****I have noted the resumption ''yet again'' of personal attacks here and the attempt to justify it when shallenged on the talk page . ] (]) 21:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
	******And I've noted the ongoing tedious hypocrisy. "Shallenge" away. I'll keep taking "more meds". ] (]) 21:40, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| altblurb2 = ] ''(pictured)'' ''']''' as ].
	{{hab}}
			| sources =
	*'''Ready''' It says about all it can say. Sourced. The summary section is shorter than 2012 but it looks like it was a less eventful match. --] (]) 19:49, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
	*'''Posted''' --] (]) 20:14, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			| nominator = Nice4What <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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			| sign = Major development in Canadian politics, leader for nine years. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 16:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			}}
			:::'''NOTE''' The linked page is currently at AfD and cannot be posted until that is resolved. The discussion should probably be suspended or closed pending the outcome of the AfD. -] (]) 21:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' yeah basically what OP said ] (]) 16:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Wait''' We generally post the transition. He is still the PM for now. -] (]) 16:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:*'''Comment''' Can you point to a case where it was decided to wait until an official transition happens? ] 19:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' - format should be ALT2, per in 2022. Trudeau isn't resigning yet, only announcing his intention to do so once a successor is chosen. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 16:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' It will take a few months for his replacement to be picked and will remain until then, so give that length of time this would be reasonable to post, though I have not had a chance yet to look at the article for quality. ] (]) 16:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Needs expansion''' - the news of the resignation is just one line in the article so far, and there are no reactions. Suggest a bit of expansion there. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:* '''Support ALT2 on notability''' per Amakuru. Head of government announces intention to resign.<br>] (]) 16:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:*Please, let's not encourage the addition of reactions, particularly if it is just commentary and not actual statements of intent. Reaction sections artificially inflate most news articles and are just bad content.<span id="Masem:1736180927713:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 16:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
			*'''Wait''' until successor is elected. ] (]) 16:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose on quality''' only one line in the target about the resignation. We posted Biden not seeking re-election so I don't see why we shouldn't post Trudeau's resignation. ] (]) 16:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	====Marriage extended to same-sex couples in France====
			:'''Wait''' Obviously a significant story that a long-term head of government resigns like this, but will need the article to be expanded further before it's ready to post. ] (]) 16:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:*'''Weak Support''' - very notable, large worldwide influence, but article quality not amazing.
			:] (]) 17:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support'''. We posted the last four British PMs' announcements of intent to resign, (Truss , Johnson , May , Cameron ) even though their system allows for leaderships to happen within days and/or weeks. In Canada, Trudeau will remain PM until a the party membership elects a new leader, which will take at least a couple months. The news is the announcement that is itself the culmination of a month long political crisis in the country. Both articles seem largely fine, with a paragraph about the resignation itself and sourced. Reactions will come, but the news is the resignation not reactions. ---- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 17:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:To add to this, ALT2 should be used, since it is an intention to resign, not the actual resignation. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 17:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:Given that there appears to be a growing consensus in support of posting this, and apparently this was done with more recent UK PMs, are we now going to routinely double post changes in administration? i.e. An announced resignation or intent to resign, and then the successor? -] (]) 17:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::In this sort of circumstance, when the announcement and the change of office are significantly separate from each other in time, certainly. This is different from the installation of a new US president, which follows automatically in January after the November election, because there are two separate pieces of newsworthy content - the decision of Trudeau to resign, and the choice of his successor - which at this point we don't know. It would be a bit bizarre to stay silent on something that's unexpected front-page news across the globe, just because of the technicality that we know we're going to be back to post another update in a few weeks' time... &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 17:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::The key bit in this case and the UK PMs cases is not the resignation in of it self, but doing so amidst an ongoing political crisis of some sort. I imagine that the precedent being set would not be for all resignation announcements of ITNR political officeholders, since some may be fairly "normal" (e.g. resigning for health reasons totally unconnected to any political scandal) though I would be in support of that. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support ALT2''' pretty much what the OP said. I would prefer the ALT2 blurb as it is worded a bit closer to the truth than the main blurb. '']'' 17:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Mostly Support''' Pretty big news but needs expansion but I doubt that will take very long. ] (]) 17:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' per nom. --] (]) 17:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' - the "Minority government" section and the material I've just moved up to the last paragraph of the "Pending resignation" section need citations. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 17:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' - Per original nomination comment, specifically ALT2 for accuracy. - ] (] &#124; ]) 17:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Weak Oppose for now''' we generally post the actual resignation and the succession of the new Prime Minister, not the announcement of an intention to resign at some unspecified point in the future. I'm not necessarily opposed to setting a new precedent, but normally we would wait. ] (]) 17:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' per above, pref. ALT2 ] (]) 18:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' This is a big development for Canada and North America as a whole. ] (]) 19:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:'''Oppose''' He literally could not hold power in office for much longer. He would be forced to step down in a few months, he just chose to do it right now. Also he will still remain in office for the duration of his tenure. Not that exciting, not that important. From canada's laws, this is was going to happen. ] (]) 18:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Not to mention his "resignation" speech was that he was stepping down soon, not officially quitting. So the media is just playing it up for no reason and wikipedians fall for it. ] (]) 18:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I don't see your point. The announcement of resignation (not in quotes, since he did actually state that he intended to resign) is major news, regardless of whether it happens now, or in a few months time. ] (])<sup><span style="color: green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> 19:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Are you seriously trying to argue that a longtime leader of a major nation stepping down is not major news because it was “going to happen anyways?” ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 23:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Completely disagree with {{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}} above. The opposite is true: the end of Trudeau is the exciting story which is ITN; the appointment of the temporary LPC replacement in a couple months after the LPC election is the formality which is relatively less important. To the point of {{u|Ad Orientem}}, although this will effectively result in "a double post" when Canada's new prime minister is inaugurated (probably after an LPC leader election), this is justified in the circumstances because each event is independently ITN and notable. Trudeau's resignation marks "the end of an era" of 10 years of LPC rule with him at the helm. He, Trudeau the individual, has been at the heart of a highly publicized dispute with the American President. It is evident to me that there is a high level of international buzz about the "end of Trudeau", which might not be present anymore when we find out who the new Liberal is that will temporarily replace him for a few months prior to the Fall election. I therefore support posting now. ]]] ] 18:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:@] it doesnt really matter, Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning. ] (]) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::@]: I'm not sure if you're aware, but the word ''will'' refers to something that happens in the future, not the current situation... ] (])<sup><span style="color: green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> 19:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:::I have no strong opinions on whether we should be double posting successions of this sort. There are some solid arguments on both sides. But I strongly believe we must be consistent. This can't just be for the UK and Canada. When the PM of South Ruritania announces their resignation with a multi-week wait for their successor to be names, that needs to get the same treatment. -] (]) 21:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::::@] the eurocentrism here is saddening ] (]) 21:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:::::I agree. Systemic bias has long been a serious problem on the project. -] (]) 21:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:::::] is not in ]. ] (]) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::::::It's still Eurocentricism though. -- ]] 06:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:::::::I find Manitoba and the territories to still have their own things going in 2025 and BC to be more of an Asian outpost, but yeah, Trudeau's province has a Paris, London, Brussels, Athens ''and'' Zurich in it. ] (]) 14:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::::Assuming all other requirements are met, I would support such a resignation for any political officeholder to which ITNR applies. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::You seem obviously bias towards Trump's expansionism ] (]) 00:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:::@] I'm perturbed how nobody seemed to raise note of the {{tq|Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning}} comment. They tried to get ] deleted recently as well; between that and other generally poor behavior on ITN/C, wondering if a tempban from projectspace is in order. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 08:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::::Yeah that might be a good idea. Definitely seems non-neutral. ] (]) 12:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' per FlipFlopped and others. It's in the news now. ] (]) 18:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			'''Weak support''' mostly because he's been prime minister of a G7 country for a decade now, kinda like Merkel. Would like to point out though that if consensus is to post about future important resignations, ] should be updated accordingly—in part so we can actually define what an "important resignation" actually is. ] (]) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose'''. No reason not to wait until the actual leadership change occurs. Yes, it is news now. It will also most certainly be news when the official transfer of power occurs. ] (]) 18:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Well, one reason—this might take something like three months based on the prorogation, and in all likelihood will receive consistently high coverage during all that time. It would be odd to only bring up Trudeau's resignation on ITN months after it actually happened, and months after it actually was news. Hence why, as mentioned above, similar blurbs have been posted before for UK prime ministers. ] (]) 19:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Alt II Per Patar knight and Amakuru above. <small> ] (]) (it/she) </small> 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Major news. ''']''' (]) 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support Alt2''' per Patar knight and Amakuru. ] (]) 19:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' per our precedent with UK prime ministers. ] (]) 20:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support Altblurb 2''' Very important to Canadian and to an extent international politics. Article is rapidly expanding and should be sufficient by the time any admin sees this. I'm also fine with the original blurb, but I like Alt2 more. --] (]) 20:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' on notability, with no comment on article quality (haven't checked yet). I think I prefer Alt2 because Trudeau's tenure spans longer than 9 years, making the more generalized language preferable in this instance. ] ] 21:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' Important to note that the article is up for deletion and the consensus is YES to not keep the article, so I think it should not be posted. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small>
			*'''Support''', though the target article should be changed to ] pending the outcome of the main resignation article's AfD. ] (]) 21:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Posted''', bolded Trudeau, until the resignation AfD is closed. ]] 22:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			'''pull''' he is not head of state to be ITNR and there is not new PM even. the election is a while way away. We should post the confirmation that trump was officially elected POTUS today.] (]) 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Isn't that contradictory ]? And I thought we'd already ITNed the result of the US election. ] (]) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:This is not being proposed as an ITNR item, and even in that case, the criteria for politicians at ITNR is {{tq|holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government,}}, which for Canada, is the PM. The resignation itself is news. You are free to nominate the electoral vote count, but given that is ] routine that simply follows the November result, it will almost certainly not be posted. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 22:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Nobody said anything about ITNR. ] (]) 23:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' - shouldn't "Prime Minister of Canada" be capitalized as per ]? ] (]) ] 02:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:Bring it up on ]. ] (]) 11:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Pull''' - he hasn't resigned, he announced his intention to resign. We should only post his successor. -- ]] 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''pull''' per Rockstone. Trudeu has not resigned and we must await the appointment of his successor. The precedent with British prime ministers is a mistake. ] (]) 11:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Can you really call it a mere mistake when, as per Patar knight above, it's been consciously done four times already? It seems more like there's a new consensus now where certain types of resignation announcements ''can'' go on ITN. ] (]) 13:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' post-posting. If nothing else, Trudeau has suspended the parliament of Canada while a party proceeding takes places. I do think the blurb should mention the proroguing, but I do think the resignation announcement of a ] leader warrants a blurb. — ]&nbsp;<sub>]</sub> 00:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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	| article = Same-sex marriage in France		| article = Al MacNeil
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			| nom cmt = Former NHL player and ]-winning coach. Article is in okay shape minus one CN tag.
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	*'''Oppose''' stale, not news, and we don't "right wrongs". ] (]) 19:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
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	**It's on every news site on the internet. How can it be "not news"? Not sure I understand you comment about "we don't right wrongs". What does that mean? ] (]) 19:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| article = Mike Rinder
	*'''Comment''' Did we post this for ]? --] ] 19:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| recent deaths = yes
	::Further comment, France is a major country and this is a major development plus the previous discussion was probably in support of posting now makes me want to support this. However are we going to post this every-time a major country legalises same-sex marriage? and how do we determine what is a major country or not? --] ] 22:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| sources =
	:::Perhaps the same way it is determined what is a major killing. The threshold for that seems to be around 10, so maybe for major civil rights changes the threshold could be 10,000,000? --<small>]<sup>]</sup></small> 01:17, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| updated = yes
	*'''Support'''. Seems like significant world news. France is the 4th biggest country in Europe so this affects a lot of people. ] (]) 19:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| nominator = Ad Orientem <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	*'''Oppose''' This was already basically nominated and failed a week or two ago. And no, we did not post the New Zealand one either I cannot remember it passing.] (]) 19:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	*'''Oppose''' only because this came up before and was not posted. I won't beat the dead horse. ] (]) 20:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| nom cmt = Former spokesman for ], and later outspoken critic of the church. Article is in surprisingly good shape with just one CN tag.
	**If not posting would have been the result of consensus not to post I would understand your position. --<small>]<sup>]</sup></small> 01:10, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| sign = -] (]) 00:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	:::To 331dot and IP 75.73 - there seemed to be widespread agreement after the France and NZ votes had dropped off ITNC that they should, arguably, have been posted after all. There did not seem to be any clear explanation as to why they were not. However, it is not my purpose to revisit those discussions. What I'd like to do is to ask you to consider this nomination ''on its merits'', rather than on the basis of the alleged lack of consensus earlier. (If the previous French nomination had succeeded, or been clearly defeated, I would naturally not be asking this.) ] (]) 11:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			}}
			* '''Comment''': I fixed the citation-needed tag by providing a source. I also checked all the citations and added an archived version where needed. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]</span> 02:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			==== 82nd Golden Globe Awards ====
	*'''Support''' on the merits and on a reading of the ]. First, France is a reasonably large and influential country and the opening of a long-standing social institution to a significant proportion of its population is important news worthy of ITN. Second, I'd read the previous discussion as either "no consensus" or weak support for posting. Part of the issue appears to have been that it was premature, as the bill hadn't yet been signed into law.--] (]) 21:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			{{ITN candidate
	*'''Oppose''' France is the 14th country to legalise same-sex marriage, so it's not particularly novel. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 22:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| article = 82nd Golden Globe Awards <!-- Do not wikilink -->
	**It's quite novel in France, affecting the rights of 65 million people. It is also novel in comparison with the current top news item about the most recent ]. --<small>]<sup>]</sup></small> 01:10, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| image = Fernanda Torres-68482.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
	*'''Oppose''' These stories have ceased to present any meaningful threshold. It is a minor, and no longer novel, change in internal legislation that is gradually rolling out across the world. There is no merit in spotlighting every step in the journey. ] (]) 23:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| blurb = At the ''']''', ] ''(pictured)'' becomes the first Brazilian actress to win the award for ].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
	::I can cut and paste as well: It's so minor that groups on each side around the world engage in massive protests(on some occasions violent) and spend large sums of money to persuade people to support them. The pro side is still a minority view, as it's legal in less than 10% of sovereign states. I oppose posting this story, but this isn't minor or novel. ] (]) 23:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
	*'''Support'''. As historically a Catholic country, this is a major step. (Although, if this is rejected it won't upset me too much because from then on only a fool would nominate another US state.) ] (]) 23:47, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
	::::Hmmm. I think legalisations in the US will continue to get nominated and posted, but we'll see. ] (]) 19:45, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
	:::France is a legally secular country, with a nominally Catholic Majority but Mass attendance of <5% and only 3% placed "Belief" among the four most important governing principles of their life in a 2008, the 25th out of 27 countries surveyed. The "Catholicism" of the country is not an issue. ] (]) 09:42, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
	*'''Support''' Widely reported world-wide, and as it hasn't been posted when passed in parliament despite . --<small>]<sup>]</sup></small> 01:02, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
	*'''Oppose''' It was never really illegal, all that's happened is that any ambiguity has been cleared up. Less than 10 years from the first attempt to legalization. The left leaning parties control the national assembly and senate. No Tiblisi style street protests. Generally this seems to be a continuing trend in highly developed western societies. I'm opposing this so that we don't become a "Gay marriage ticker". I'm reserving support now for societies where there is significant social opposition (Russia), legal opposition (USA), or where a constitutional change would be required (rather than a legislative one) (IE Poland). --] (]) 11:17, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
	*'''Support'''. It's estimated that a million people demonstrated in Paris the weekend before the bill entered the legislature and it's the biggest change to gay rights in France since the Revolution. 11:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC){{unsigned|FormerIP}}
			| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
	::More like since 1981/82 given the repeal then of the last criminal laws and the equalization of the age of consent. ] (]) 15:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	:::I'm not really sure I know what you are referring to. Looking at our article, gayness was an aggravating factor for indecent exposure until 1980. I'm not dismissing that, but I think gay marriage and adoption rights are a bigger change that more people are likely to notice. ] (]) 16:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
	:'''strong oppose''' nothing landmark or unexpected about it. It breaks not hirsotry/tradition] (]) 19:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	:::Is that why there were massive protests against it? Because it didn't break history or tradition? ] (]) 19:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			| nom cmt = Unusual victory. Brazil is at the top. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
	*'''Support''' - This should have been posted when it was voted through; however, the signing-in has made the news, and the story remains as relevant. I don't want to see an endless deluge of such articles, but this one has been particularly close-fought, and HiLo48 is right - this is a big deal. I'm quite conversant with the history of queer rights in France; Lihaas' argument is (and I don't say this on ITN much) wrong as a matter of fact. ] (]) 11:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			| sign = ] (]) 16:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	*'''Comment''' Of what does the update consist" All I see is <small>On 17 May 2013, the Constitutional Council declared the Act constitutional. The same day, President Francois Hollande signed the bill, which was officially published on 18 May 2013, in the Journal Officiel.</small>. ] (]) 17:38, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			}}
	*'''Oppose''' No more gay marriage ITN's until Afghanistan legalises it. --] (]) 23:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' Golden Globes are not an ITNR)(I know it wasn't nominated as such) but if we are going to post any winners from these they should match the categories that we use for Oscars and Emmys, which are generally unremarkable this year. Fine tuning which specific category to feature so to highlight a first is not good use of ITN (what about Demi Moore's first major award, for example?) ] (]) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:A Brazilian actress winning a major American production award is a remarkable event. Theoretically she had not chance against ], ] and ]. ] (]) 18:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''', wasn't ] the first Japanese to win the same category but for television at the same event? Being Brazilian doesn't make it extraordinary. ]&nbsp;]<sup>]</sup> 18:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' It is very difficult to imagine this kind of news getting widespread coverage as is required by ]. ] (]) 18:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' Was considering nominating Golden Globes myself, but the issue, in my opinion, is that it lacks "main" categories like the Best Picture and Best Actor/Actress to include in the blurb without it favoring a particular genre/format. ] (]) 19:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Weak oppose''' on significance; these awards are much less influential than the Oscars, serving mostly as a hint of what might win those bigger prizes. We already have six different sets of film awards on ITNR and I don't think we need more, though I can see an argument that the Golden Globes have similar influence to BAFTAs. '''Oppose''' on quality - the article is a long series of tables with minimal prose and no reactions. '''Strong oppose''' the blurb as written, which focusses on the nationality of a single category winner. ] ] 21:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	====DSM-5====		==== RD: Joseph Bendounga====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = DSM-5		| article = Joseph Bendounga
	| article2 =		| recent deaths = yes
			| sources =
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
			| updated = Yes
	| blurb = The ''']''' of the '']'' is published.
			| nominator = Faldi00
	| recent deaths = no
			| creator =
	| altblurb = Following publication of ''']''', ] is incorporated in a group of autism spectrum disorders.
			| updaters =
	| sources = ,
			| nom cmt = Central African lawyer and politician, known for his eternal opposition to every presidential administration
	| updated = no
			| sign = ] (]) 06:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	| nominator = Yorkshiresky <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = Article is in good shape. Although this is an American publication it has a global influence in the field of mental health. The new content is not without it's controversies but nevertheless will set the tone in the diagnosis of mental health and discourse around this field for many years to come. The renaming of Asperger's syndrome within the broader group of ASD is arguably the most newsworthy change.
	| sign = --] (]) 17:05, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	}}		}}
	*'''Comment''' changed updated to no. Article needs a tense update. --] (]) 17:14, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' posting after update. DSM is used worldwide, so an update like this one has a huge impact on clinical providers as well as on individuals with mental disorders. There's been a lot of controversy related to its contents, and it's been almost 20 years since the 4th edition came out. ] (]) 17:51, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support when updated''' - The pending publication has been in and out of the news for weeks, so clearly this is a major story. I prefer the main blurb which does not try to decide what is the most important update of the manual. --] (]) 18:49, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' This isn't exactly In The News (''''''), it's been discussed for months, and it amounts to a commercial role-out, no different in essence from the debut of Windows 8 (ad perhaps eqally lamented). ] (]) 19:08, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	:'''oppose;;;''' not in the news anywhere. At any rate, doesn't indicate global noteworthiness.] (]) 20:32, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' I doubt that this is about a commercial product. It is a notable manual for a very notable section of public health. I don't think it would hurt to feature this on ITN for a few days. ] (]) 20:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' The DSM is not just another product. It is the Bible for mental illness. It is the key guide for anyone who regularly deals with mental illness in their profession (not only psychiatrists and psychologists, but also for other professionals and paraprofessionals, such as attorneys, paralegals, medical doctors, health care providers of all kinds, etc.). New editions are rare, with the years of publication of prior editions being: 1952, 1968, 1980, 1994 (with intervening revisions in 1987 and 2000; see ] for more details). Of course, much of the news is past, in the sense that a lot of the controversy and discussion about the contents of the DSM-V necessarily happened prior to publication. But readers who click through will get to read about that, many for the first time.--] (]) 21:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' sadly the opposes show distinct lack of understanding of the significance. Links to unrelated Youtube videos are twee and entirely unhelpful. ] (]) 22:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''', only because we did not bring this up in December, when it should have been a no-brainer. This is a very important publication in psychiatry, and aside from the text revision in 2000, it hasn't been updated in almost twenty years. Not to mention how damn controversial this is... so I think this is still worth posting now. '''<sub><font color="#4B0000">Eric</font></sub><small><font color="#550000">Leb</font></small><sup><font color="#660000">01</font></sup> <small>(] &#124; ])</small>''' 01:07, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' &mdash; Per ] above, the DSM is the #1 professional resource for all things dealing with mental health. A new edition is a pretty notable event. ] ] 06:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - Unusual, but an interesting change of pace. I lean towards the alt blurb as the way to go. ]]] 08:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	: Willing to post. Reading the comments, the book being published is a big deal. However, I am not fully convinced we should stress Asperger here. Some more thoughts maybe? --''']''' 08:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Leave Asperger out. I'm generally opposed to any sort of "highlight" in a posting. --] (]) 15:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Agreed. Use the main blurb.--] (]) 19:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*The DSM is a ''product'' of the American Psychiatric Association, not a peer-reviewed scholarly work. It's latest rollout has been rejected by the ] under the Obama administration as the basis for Federal grants. This posting would be highly uninformed--a blurb saying the NIMH has rejected the DSM would be appropriate. Nonprofit Quarterly: "The DSM is used not only by practitioners to diagnose conditions, but also by insurance companies to determine treatments to be covered, so it is a socially powerful document. Insel, however, believes that the DSM is less than scientific." ] (]) 15:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	**We're not here to play psychiatrist and assess the validity of the thing. We're here to judge whether or not it makes for a good news piece. And it does. If users are really interested, they will read the article we're advertising and learn all about the controversies (and I don't deny that they are valid arguments) that you mention. '''<sub><font color="#4B0000">Eric</font></sub><small><font color="#550000">Leb</font></small><sup><font color="#660000">01</font></sup> <small>(] &#124; ])</small>''' 17:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	***I have no idea what you mean by "play psychiatrist", and the criticisms of this guild handbook still stand, but the sources evinced for this are a '''''book review''''' and a '''''blog'''''. That's not news. ] (]) 19:27, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment'''. The altblurb may be slightly misleading, since it gives the impression that DSM is a list of things that do and don't exist. AS will still be diagnosable and it will still be in other manuals such as ], it just isn't included in DSM-V. ] (]) 17:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' with primary blurb; oppose alternate blurb, as it puts undue emphasis on a particular syndrome which will still be recognized elsewhere. This appears to be a significant update to a widely used and highly notable medical text, which hasn't been updated past a "text revision" in nearly 20 years. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 04:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Not Ready''' - The majority of the article reads "it is proposed..." Someone really needs to clear up which of the proposals made it through to the publication version before we post. --] (]) 06:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support when updated''' - This is a landmark in the field of mental health - which we rarely if ever carry stories about. I'm well aware of the problems with DSM5's status and acceptance; but the publication is making the news, in part ''because of'' those issues. I '''oppose the altblurb''' - ASD reclassification is only one of several contentious areas. ] (]) 11:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' Very interesting. Great topic for an ITN. --] (]) 23:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	==== RD Aleksei Balabanov====		==== (Posted) RD: The Vivienne====
	{{archive top|result=No consensus to post. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 18:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC) }}
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Aleksei Balabanov		| article = The Vivienne
	| recent deaths = yes		| recent deaths = yes
	| sources =		| sources =
	| updated = no		| updated = Yes
			| nominator = Tayce Widdrington
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
			| creator = Another Believer
	| nominator = Brandmeister <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| updaters = Brunnaiz, Orangesclub, Is it Juan?
	| nom cmt = Directed such films as '']'' and '']'', that are popular in Russia and feature ]
			| nom cmt =
	| sign = ]<sup>]</sup> 16:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| sign = ] (]) 19:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	}}		}}
	*'''Oppose''': the article is a stub which contains little more than a filmography. It cites hardly any sources (there is a "citation needed" tag right now). This is not the sort of article we want to present on the main page. --] (]) 17:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)		:'''Soft oppose'''. Prose looks to be well-cited, but discography and filmography need more refs. ] (]) 19:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			<s>*'''Oppose''' for now until the discography and filmography tables have more refs.</s> ] (]) 21:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC) - changed to support, everything looks referenced now. ] (]) 09:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	::I take it that's not a hard oppose, and that like me you might support this if the nominator or someone else improves the article sufficiently? ] (]) 20:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' as references for the discography and filmography tables have been filled out. '''] <span style="color:#f7630c">]</span>''' 08:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::BTW, this is NOT updated, and the nominator should look at the update requirements for an obit. ] (]) 20:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::That's update "guidelines", of course. ] (]) 21:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''', discography and filmography citation issues appear to have been resolved. ] (]) 17:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' - Now well cited, article appears to be in good shape. ''']''' ''(] &#124; ])'' 19:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' per ITN/DC #2. Popularity != top of field. Ref . Also article is orange tagged, too short, and not adequately updated for his death. --] (]) 15:25, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' Quality of article is poor, and no indication that he is sufficiently noteworthy. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 15:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' ''Brat'' and ''Brat 2'' are nowhere near notable enough to make a director ITN worthy.--] (]) 01:58, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	{{archive bottom}}
	==== ]====		==== RD: S. A. Khaleque====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Eurovision Song Contest 2013		| article = S. A. Khaleque
	| article2 =		| recent deaths = yes
			| sources =
	| image = ESC2013 - Denmark 03.jpg
			| updated = Yes
	| blurb = ] (pictured) with the song ] wins the ''']''' for Denmark.
			| nominator = History6042
	| altblurb = "]", by Danish singer ] (pictured), wins the ''']'''.
	| sources =		| creator = Vinegarymass911
			| updaters = Dominus Moravian
			| nom cmt = Bangladesh Nationalist Party politician
			| sign = ] '''(])''' 14:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			}}
			*'''Oppose''' on article quality, article consists pretty much only of a summary of his political career. ] (]) 00:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' The article is a stub. Ping me when the situation improves. '''<span style="background:#0057b7">]</span><span style="background:#ffd700">]</span>''' 05:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			==== RD: Costas Simitis ====
			{{ITN candidate
			| article = Costas Simitis
			| recent deaths = yes
			| sources =
	| updated =		| updated =
			| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updated2 =
			| creator =
	| nominator = Eugen Simion 14 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater =		| updaters =
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->		| nom cmt = Former Greek Prime Minister
			| sign =] (]) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
	| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt =
	| sign = --<font face="verdana">]]]</font> 08:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	}}		}}
			*'''Oppose''' 3 cn tags, 3 orange tags and a yellow tag. This article is a long, ''long'' way from being posted ''']''' (]) 11:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' ITNR, notable event.--] (]) 10:32, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' per ITN/R. The largest annual music competition in Europe with about 500 million people watching it every year is a very big deal. Australia is one of the non-European countries that broadcast it, and the event is widely followed on the Internet.--] (]) 10:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Strong Support''' Article is very high quality compared to most other RD candidates, definitely important enough as well. --] (]) 04:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:I wouldn't consider the article in "high quality" as there's unreferenced paragraphs throughout the article. ] (]) 04:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' I've removed the links to the Denmark's entry because we don't know yet who will it. Misplaced Pages does not predict the future to document anything that will or is likely to happen, regardless of its favourite role according to the odds by the bookmakers.--] (]) 10:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' Article needs ref work. --] (]) 04:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	{{In the news/image
	|image = ESC2013 - Denmark 03.jpg
			==== (Closed) Congestion pricing ====
	|size = 100x100px
			{{Atop|Consensus will not develop to post. ]] 09:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)}}
	|title = Track of Cyclone Mahasen
			{{ITN candidate
	|link =
			| article = Congestion pricing in New York City
	|border = no
			| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
	|alt = Track of Cyclone Mahasen
			| blurb = New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city ''']''' in the ]
			| recent deaths = no
			| ongoing = no
			| ITNR = no
			| altblurb = New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city ''']''' in the ]
			| altblurb2 =
			| sources =
			| updated =
			| nominator = Sagittarian Milky Way <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
			| nom cmt = Delayed decades despite gridlock slowing ambulances+almost EU strength mass transit even to outer burbs, many lawsuits, trial court drama till late Fri afternoon (basically suburb ppl lawyers going ''irreparable harm from day 1! $15+toll!''), emergency appeal lost half day before the $9 "carmageddon" (0:00 local 05:00 UTC). $12 2028 $15 2031 license plate cameras @ all 25+ car entries to the island's southest 5mi/8km ed: 100+ incl. coast.
			| sign = ] (]) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
			* '''Oppose''' Extremely limited scope, and effectively the same as toll roads with flex pricing that are used across the US. --] (]) 03:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' big international event. I guess the purpose of the links was to show how the blurb might look when the winner is known. Last year ITN said:
			*:Over 700,000 vehicles enter the Manhattan CBD daily (many from the state that sued (NJ), whole island 9XX,XXX). 3.1mil ppl on island in the middle of weekdays 680,000 Midtown alone so millions in the zone+up to 24mil in the CSA affected by the new revenue. Since 2010 mean driving speed in the CBD dropped 23% to just 7.1 mph. ] (]) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	:*"]", by Swedish singer ], wins the ''']'''.
			*::And? While NYC is big, it is not that big as to demand special consideration for something like this. ] (]) 04:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	:A similar blurb if Denmark wins:
			*'''Oppose''' good faith nom. It's basically a local/regional news story dealing with traffic congestion. Yeah, I see why it's a big deal to people in New York. But if this was being implemented in New Delhi, I doubt it would get much notice here. And frankly it probably shouldn't. -] (]) 04:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	:*"]", by Danish singer ] (pictured), wins the ''']'''.
			*'''Oppose''' per Masem and Ad Orientem. Not of worldwide significance ''']''' (]) 08:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	:] (]) 11:52, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' "City introduces congestion charge". This is news? London (and a number of other cities) already beat them to that. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> ''']''' (])</span> 08:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	::*Yes, but why to use Denmark as an example? Why not any other country? However, it's better and simple not to use any of them. And yes, Denmark has the best song this year and deserves to win the contest finally after having good songs for many years.--] (]) 11:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' NYC is not even the first in North America. Mexico City introduced a system of restrictions and fines in 1989 – see ]. ]🐉(]) 09:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::The bookmakers have Denmark as a huuuge favorite. They are basically refusing to take bets on Denmark. The next-lowest odds gives the money back 6 times. Since the bookmakers are usually right, the contest is very close to a done deal. ] (]) 14:15, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			{{abot}}
	::::We need something which is 100% sure. Your opinion that it's very close to a done deal is not appropriate as per ] of the main rules on Misplaced Pages. As for your information, two years ago France was given evens and even 4/7 by the bookmakers, but the contest was won by the Azerbaijani entry.--] (]) 14:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::...or maybe prepare a really shocking blurb for when Romania wins: ']' by ]... etc., etc ] (]) 14:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::For gods sake what difference does it make whether the blurb mentions Denmark when it's only a hypothetical. Nobody's going to post it to the MP until it's official.--] (]) 14:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::And ] there's ]?! ] (]) 15:04, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''', no question of inclusion as recurring and importance in EU, just the wording.<small>(And please let it be "My Lovely Horse" by the Craggy Island Parish :) )</small>. --] (]) 15:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - definitly for ITN. And if posted, I want credit to as I nominated this article already yesterday a bit premature bit still.--] (]) 15:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' when updated and if of a good enough standard at the time etc. Europe's annual political relationship <del>bickering</del> update - of course it should be posted, plus it is the largest and most prestigious music competition in Europe. --] ] 16:58, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Note''' I was ready to post this, but in scanning the article I don't see a suitable prose update of the final, just charts and infobox update. If someone can do a referenced synopsis of the final (like we would expect for sporting events and other contests of a similar nature) and/or some meaningful prose about the winning entrant, something like that, I will post. --]''''']''''' 22:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	**I'm not sure what you expect other than "Denmark won". This is all that's happened. The overall article is in good condition, I don't really know what more you want to see there. But hey ho. ] (]) 22:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	***Surely something happened in 4(?) hours of TV coverage besides the host announcing "Denmark won" to which not one RS in the world reacted. --] (]) 22:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	****A mere 3 hours and 30 minutes, in fact. 1) The winner was announced before all the votes had been counted (apparently by mistake). 2) UK got more that 20 points. 3) Graham Norton stayed awake. So all quite extraordinary really. ] (]) 08:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	** That's not what we did or in when ] & ] were linked to respectively. --] ] 23:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	***So bad decisions from the past should be perpetuated merely because they were done before? That's a pretty lousy reason to refuse to make an article better, which should be our goal at Misplaced Pages regardless. --]''''']''''' 02:27, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	**** I haven't said or suggested that, what I have done however is to meraly point out that this hasn't been necessary in at least the last two occurrences at ITN as I thought such history may be useful in aiding the discussion. Perhaps you misunderstood me? --] ] 02:58, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*****I understand you would rather post substandard articles on the main page than fix them up into a decent shape. You know, the time you spend arguing that you shouldn't add some prose to the article could have been spent adding that prose. Had you done that, I would have already posted this instead of leaving this response. --]''''']''''' 03:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - Contest has now ended, Denmark has won. --]]]</nowiki>'''</span>]] 23:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' alternative blurb only. Quite a significant competition for a large percentage of the world population.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 00:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	: Posting. Regarding the prose update - Denmark won is pretty much all that happened. Reactions here are mostly personal opinions of commentators and are not encyclopedic material per se. --''']''' 07:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	::I'm not sure where anyone asked for reactions or personal opinions. Synopsis of the four hour event or an overview of the winner and/or her song would have been appropriate and would not have required any opinions or reactions. --]''''']''''' 18:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Maybe you're not familiar with Eurovision. It follows this format every year: half an hour about the previous winner and the host city/nation, 26 (or so) songs from the nations who qualified for the final, half an hour (or so) of padding while the voting happens, then results. The winner and her song have a separate article already. That's it. ] (]) 19:02, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*Posting articles with essentially zero prose update makes a mockery of having update standards. It would have taken 10 minutes of work to describe the voting phase, for example. Tables of stats do NOT sufficiently convey what happened. And yes, a sampling of reactions from notable media sources is perfectly appropriate and "encyclopedic". It is a ''standard'' part of articles on music albums, for example. It amazing how when something is a European sporting event/cultural item it gets supported/posted with "a sentence update is all that can be said" (yah right) but when its an American sport/cultural item its "this update is insufficient until multiple paragraphs are written" (the appropriate standard). --] (]) 19:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*:I have to agree with your awareness on the quality, but every year the articles documenting the Eurovision Song Contest are of exceptionally high quality. If we use these articles to set a standard for posting, then it would be very hard to post anything else on the main page. I don't think it's a good idea to detail the voting process since there already is a ] explaining it. You can note there are many other complementary articles documenting many different aspects of this contest and thus looking for shortcomings in an article in this shape is not welcome and appropriate for the future evaluation of the other articles. To make additional note, the blurb documents the whole event, not only the voting process and the reactions after the win.--] (]) 21:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*:P.S. I also don't agree with you that the topics relating to something happening in the United States are the only requiring substantial updates, while anything else is easily posted with only one-sentence update. Recently, there where many fellow users who regularly contribute to the ITN section and were trying to introduce a five-sentence update as a minimum requirement for posting. In this case, the news is the ] and you should evaluate the whole article instead of some specific details. Honestly, less than 5% of the articles emerging in the ITN section on the main page do have quality greater than this one.--] (]) 21:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*::Let me phrase it a different way - those who don't care about update length (as per their usual comment pattern) are mostly from Europe and those who care a lot are mostly from the US. That is probably what causes the discrepancy in !voting (almost all posts form all regions are well updated), rather than actual bias. No dispute that the overall article quality here is very good. --] (]) 00:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	==== Philippine general election ====		==== (Closed) Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor ====
			{{atop|Consensus will not develop to post. Closing early per ] --]] 06:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC) {{NAC}} }}
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Philippine general election, 2013		| article = Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor
			| image =
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
			| blurb = ] announced that he will be making a spiritual successor to the original game, ].
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
			| recent deaths = no
	| blurb = In the ''']''', ] ] a majority in the ] and Y ] a majority in the ].
			| ongoing = no
	| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
			| ITNR = no
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| altblurb =
	| sources =
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	| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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	| updated2 = yes <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
			| updated =
	| nominator = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| nominator = Bakhos2010
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
			| creator = BarntToust
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
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	| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->		| nom cmt = I'm not sure if the blurb is good, but you can create an alternative blurb if you want.
			| sign = ] <small>]</small> 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	| note = Results expected tomorrow. The elections to the two different houses have separate articles: ] & ], as well as the central ] article.
	| nom cmt = ITN/R election.
	| sign = --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 19:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	*I added an altblurb. In Philippine political history, the party (or coalition) of the president always wins. In this case, most of the seats were contests between coalition parties of ]. –''']]]''' 02:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' just an announcement, and we typically never post news about video games except when they win awards. ''''']·]·]''''' 04:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per Tube of Light. --] (]) 04:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	**Here's the altblurb as the template is fubared:
			*'''Oppose''' good faith nom per above. And honestly, it's borderline trivial compared to most of what gets nominated here and not posted. -] (]) 04:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	**:In the ], ] wins a majority ''']''' ] and ''']''' ].
			*'''Oppose''' Absolutely promotional, we do not feature any type of product announcement. --] (]) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	**–''']]]''' 02:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per Tube of Light and Masem. Does not meet ] ''']''' (]) 04:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	**Both articles have been updated. –''']]]''' 02:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - Ready to go. ] (]) 11:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	* The article still needs some work. Some parts are still in future tense, even though the election was seven days ago! It is quite messy, the results are not complete, and I do not see a considerable update in prose. --] (]) 12:16, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	**I believe I sorted out the verb tense problems now. As for the results, they are either incomplete (lower house), or the remaining votes are already immaterial (upper house). The party (or coalition) of the president always "wins" the lower house elections, so the pronouncements of "Team PNoy 'winning'" is a done deal. As for prose updates, ] has 19 references and 3 sections of at least 2 long paragraphs each, and the updates ] is certainly longer than what are currently being proposed here. –''']]]''' 15:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
			:'''Oppose''' good-faith nomination per ]. --] (]) 05:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	==May 17==
			:'''Strong oppose''' Minecraft 2 is one of very few non-award gaming events I would support a blurb on. Problem is, Notch can't make it ever since he sold the rights of the game to Microsoft. I might support it if it becomes the bestselling game of all time, but I don't know how likely it is for that to happen. ] (]) 05:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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			:'''Oppose''' per Masem & MtPenguinMonster ] (]) 05:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	{|{{Portal:Current events/2013 May 17}}
			*'''Oppose''' until release ] (]) 05:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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			== January 4 ==
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			{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 4}}
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	==== Tbilisi gay rights protests ====		==== RD: Richard B. Hays ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = 2013 Tbilisi gay rights protests		| article = Richard B. Hays <!-- Do not wikilink -->
			| recent deaths = yes
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
			| sources =
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
	| blurb = An ''']''' in ] clashes with ] priests and a mob
	| altblurb =
	| sources =
	| updated = yes		| updated = yes
			| nominator = HistoryTheorist <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
			| updaters = HistoryTheorist, Marbe166, Jkaharper, Innerstrife, Normantas Bataitis
	| nominator = Nestrabonk <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| nom cmt = Died on the third but death announced January 4. Article needs some sourcing work, but I'm nominating anyway. Hopefully the nomination means that the article can get some attention.
	| updater = Yerevanci
			| sign = ]] 05:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = My apologies if I overestimate the importance of this event. This part of the world is rarely featured in the news. It's rare to see 10,000 protestors led by priests attack a tiny demonstration by rights activists. It's what one would expect from the Taliban, but it's happening right there in a Christian country that aspires to accede the European Union. Note also that the scale of the counter demonstration is unheard of.
	| sign = -- ] (]) 09:17, 18 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
			==== RD: Claude Allègre ====
	*'''Support''' - I support it because it is a rare event in the region.--] (]) 15:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support as creator''' - Not only a rare event in the region, but also very interesting because of the active involvement of the church. The Orthodox church in Georgia has extreme popularity among the public (I've read somewhere that 94% of the public has confidence in it) and PM ], who is in a confrontation with President ], seems to be sympathetic to the minorities. --] ] 15:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' No deaths or otherwise notable things. Such demonstrations occur in other countries as well from time to time. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:55, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - Major English-language media reported, like NYT, , , , etc. --] (]) 16:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Opposed''' Interesting given the religious involvement, but not a major event or news item. ] (]) 18:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	::BTW, the article could use a little work getting it into polished idiomatic English. ] (]) 19:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' Especially the blurb as it is. No evidence of priests "attacking" as the blurb implies. I have watched many videos of it and have only seem them marching, so I wonder where that came from. The attacking was not too violent, there were no deaths. Although quite a few injuries!] (]) 19:58, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - If you look in the NYT article the priests removed the police barricades cause the police don't want to stop priests in Georgia and the busses saved the incident from being much worse. It's got priests, it's got gays, it's got ex-Soviet politics, it's got future EU member, it's got violence. Almost as many diverse things as a Stalinist + Big-Ben -esque world's biggest building financed by petroleum built next to the Kaaba by an absolute monarch. And I learned something today about Georgia. We post many things that are merely interesting. ] (]) 20:17, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' per SMW. ] (]) 20:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' the new blurb is much better, but might want to change "mob" to "protesters". Or perhaps even change it to just mention a clash with "protesters" and various injuries, not sure how important mentioning priests are. but I am no professional. but i am almost learning in support now] (]) 21:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' as during editing, I found this was the ''first officially sanctioned'' demonstration of its kind in Georgia. I don't think I'd support it otherwise, but being the first of its kind in that country seems notable. Blurb should perhaps be updated to note something like "The first officially sanctioned ''']''' in ] clashes with ] priests and other protestors" ("a mob" does seem excessive.) &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 04:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' Could we perhaps throw in a "nation of" for Georgia? I regret to say that many of my fellow Americans will no doubt be confused by this entry at first glance (as I was myself, momentarily, when I first saw the ''Times'' headline).''' —&nbsp;<u>]]</u>'''] 16:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	==== Iraq attacks ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = 17 May 2013 Iraq bombings		| article = Claude Allègre<!-- Do not wikilink -->
			| recent deaths = yes
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
			| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
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	| blurb = A ''']''' in Iraq leave at least 76 people dead.
			| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| altblurb = An ''']''' leaves 130 dead over three days in Iraq.
			| updaters = Chaiten1<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
	| sources =
			| nom cmt = French politician and scientist<!-- Additional comments go here -->
	| updated = yes
			| sign = ''']''' (]) 12:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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	| nominator = ThaddeusB <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
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	| nom cmt = Deadliest day in Iraq in 8+ months (specifically since Sept 9, 2012); part of trend of increasing violence in the country
	| sign = --] (]) 04:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	* '''Support''' Obviously in the news, and obviously big. ] (]) 05:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)		:'''Oppose'''. Political career section is completely uncited, and some awards are missing sourcing as well. ] (]) 19:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:: Political career section now updated with citations; scientific career and awards also updated and cited. ] (]) 22:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	*God, when will it end? Obvious support. I wish Iraq could find peace again. It is painful and distressing to me that the very ancient and wonderful nation of Iraq could be subject to such horrors on a regular basis. I hope peace will come soon. ] ] 05:52, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	* '''Support''' - Escalating level of violence. Lean towards alt blurb. ]]] 08:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	* '''Support''' - Thank goodness the war is over, right? Er, hmm... Anyway, the death toll is significant in the country's struggle with sectarian violence. --] (]) 13:06, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' Obviously, very tragic... many deaths] (]) 19:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' the infoboxes really make the article look ugly on 1024x768. I tried adding a TOC to push the second one down but it made things worse. More text would certainly help. Has nothing to do with the suitability of the nom, but it just looks "ugly". Anyway... --] (]) 19:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' there seems no point in continuing to list continuous indiscriminate slaughter, it becomes a gruesome farce. A sticky would make much more sense. ] (]) 20:51, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Posted''' --]''''']''''' 21:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	====RD Ken Venturi====		==== (Posted) RD: Tomiko Itooka ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Ken Venturi		| article = Tomiko Itooka
	| recent deaths = yes		| recent deaths = yes
	| sources =		| sources =
	| updated = no		| updated = yes
			| nominator = TJMSmith <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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			| creator = 103.85.36.150
	| nominator = ThaddeusB <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater =		| updaters = Jake11223344, INgIEroC
			| nom cmt = Japanese supercentenarian. Date death announced.
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			| sign = ] (]) 15:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
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	| note = Article will need some work
	| nom cmt = World Golf Hall of Fame Member; Nominated on the combined basis of his playing career and "longest-ever" (in the US) broadcasting career
	| sign = --] (]) 01:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	*'''Oppose''' His playing and broadcasting are both notable, but I don't think that (even combined) they make him a very important figure in golf. ] (]) 03:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			:{{comment}} Noting that I should not receive creation credit (if that's a thing at ITN) as I only created the page as a redirect and did not edit beyond that. <span style="color:green">](he/him)<sup>]</sup></span> 18:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Weak Oppose at this stage''' Obviously successful, but I'm wondering, given the attention to media people here lately, if we're going down the Marshall McLuhan path and attirubuitng too much improtance to commentators. After all, these aren't the people who are doing the great sporting things. They are the people talking about those people. It's hard to get my head around how important it is to talk about other successful people for a long time. (PS: I note ThaddeusB's thoughtful qualification on his broadcasting career record. It's interesting that only one source seems to mention the record, and that's a golf source claiming a golf person is the best in all sport. Hmmmm. The source doesn't qualify it as being only an American record, but American sources tend not to do that sort of thing anyway. Not questioning it. Just noting...) QUESTION: Did he ever play golf internationally? ] (]) 03:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			::Updated! ] (]) 23:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Weak oppose''' per Neljack. Not the top of his field. Only recognition seems to be being in the Hall of Fame for his combined body of work(golf and broadcasting) but not particularly notable in either field individually. ] (]) 08:52, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
			'''Comment''' Tomiko Itooka was the oldest living person as well at the time of her death, and we've generally posted these supercentenarian when they are at the top. Although, its not there yet. ] (]) 16:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	==== RD Jorge Rafael Videla ====
			*'''Oppose''' So far, not enough breadth in the article to warrant main page posting. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''<s>Strong</s> Support''' Oldest living person in the world at the time, making her certainly notable enough for RD. Article is subpar but ultimately not a stub. --] (]) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Strong Support''' They were the oldest person so that makes her notable. --] (]) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:@] and @], RDs are decided on article quality rather than notability. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 23:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::Alright, thank you for the explanation. ] (]) 23:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Short but adequate. -] (]) 04:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Posted''' ]] 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			==== (Closed) 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes ====
			{{atop|A consensus to post at this point will not develop. Consider nominating again if this becomes bigger. --''']''' 12:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)}}
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Jorge Rafael Videla		| article = 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->		| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->		| blurb = Signs of a volcanic eruption appears in ] in ].
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			| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
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	| nominator = IP98 <!-- Do NOT change this -->		| nominator = AsteriodX <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater = EdwardLane		| creator = AsteriodX
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	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->		| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
			| sign = ] (]) 05:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = Putting the header on the nom created by EdwardLane
	| sign = --] (]) 17:31, 17 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
			*'''Oppose''' three months of low-level activity damaging 100 houses. Not significant enough. ]] 05:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per Stephen. Little to no unusually major impact thus far. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 06:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per Stephen, doesn't meet ]. ]] (]) 12:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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			== January 3 ==
	was going to nom ] for RD but wondered what happened to the header for the 17th, I thought that was automated ? ] (]) 15:34, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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	*]. Best to fill out the nomination here for now. When the bot problem is resolved we can move the section. --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 15:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 3}}
	* '''Support''' on the subject.
	* '''Support''', personal opinions aside, it's still the death of a former head of state ] (]) 16:27, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''', former de facto head of state, also notable for how he got there. ] (]) 16:59, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' Former head of state, war criminal. Important to post. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 17:15, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' the update is a single sentence, and it may be as good as it gets, but be prepared for the backlash on a "minimum update standard requirement" (even though the article is in a very reasonable state). ] (]) 17:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' important to post. Rambling man is right about the minimum update however.--] (]) 17:31, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support <strike>pending update</strike>''' Article is ok (''illegal detention centres'' is factual but slightly POV). Would prefer a longer update. Cause of death? Funeral date/arrangements? Any protests in favor or against? Reaction from the current political leadership? International? etc... --] (]) 17:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Looks good now. Ready? --] (]) 20:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' I have expanded the section a bit. There's not much to say about the death itself: he simply died while sleeping. The info is more in the side of the reactions to his death. ] (]) 18:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*Agreed, marked as ready, and I '''support''' its promotion to RD. ] (]) 20:18, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''', dying in prison is interesting. <font face="Cambria">] (])</font> 21:18, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Came here to check on this. Made a few grammatical edits. Totally ready and '''support as full blurb''' the infamous death] (]) 21:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Posted'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 21:59, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	::The article is not linked in the template... --] (]) 22:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Woops now fixed. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 22:06, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*I support a full blurb, let alone an RD uptade. Am I in the minority here? ] ] 22:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	**I oppose full blurb. He was long out of power, had been tried, convicted and was in prison. His natural death does not in any way impact the future of Argentina. His death is noteworthy, and belongs on RD. --] (]) 22:48, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	***Well yes, but the fact remains that he was a significant figure during Cold War era Argentina. His regime was considered one of the world's most brutal, alongside those of North Korea, Cambodia, Vietnam, Equatorial Guinea, Uganda, Somalia, Nicaragua, Albania, Ethiopia, etc. ] ] 01:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	****Don't go to the extremes, his rule may have been brutal, but "the world's most brutal" is for people like Hitler, Mussolini or Stalin. As for a full blurb, I'm not sure. IP98 is right, as of 2013 Videla was just a man who played a role in a historical period of Argentina, but not an active actor of the day-to-day politics. His death will generate comments by noteworthy people, but nothing else, his death does not change anything in the current politics of Argentina. This is completely unlike the death of Néstor Kirchner, who was not a sitting head of state either when he died, but he was highly influential, and his death became a turning point in the administration of Cristina Kirchner: in that case, the blurb was justified. I think in an article "Death of Jorge Rafael Videla", and I really can't think of anything interesting to write about that. ] (]) 03:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	*****He was directly responsible for killing tens of thousands, Cambalachero. At the time of his presidency (mid-to-late 1970s), Argentina was among the world's worst violators of human rights &mdash; perhaps eclipsed only by North Korea, Cambodia, Vietnam, Equatorial Guinea, Uganda, and Ethiopia. No, he's obviously no Hitler or Stalin, but ]. ] ] 06:18, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	******That's not the point. Yes, from a historical point of view, he's very notable, but from a "in the news" point of view, he has long left the political life of the country. Check the latest news of Argentina (18A cacerolazo, the Lázaro Baez embezzlement scandal, the floods, Kirchner's bills to control the judiciary, her projects to expropiate newspapers, the decree of Macri against that, the "CEDIN", etc.), Videla is not even remotely related to any of them. All those other news will continue their development without any influence from Videla's death. ] (]) 13:38, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	== May 16 ==
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	{|{{Portal:Current events/2013 May 16}}
	{{cob}}		{{cob}}
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	==== RD: Dick Trickle ====		==== RD: Hans Dieter Beck ====
	{{archive top|result=No consensus to post. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 20:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC) }}
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Dick Trickle		| article = Hans Dieter Beck
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
	| blurb =
	| recent deaths = yes		| recent deaths = yes
			| sources = and several others
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| updated = yes
	| sources = ,
			| nominator = Gerda Arendt
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
			| updaters = Gerda Arendt, Grimes2
	| nominator = Andise1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| creator = Thriley
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
			| nom cmt = Influential publisher in 6th generation of leading publishing house ]. New article by Thriley.
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
			| sign = --] (]) 12:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = He was a well known former NASCAR driver who died from committing suicide.
	| sign = ] (]) 23:27, 16 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
			==== RD: Yusuf Bhamjee ====
	*'''Weak oppose''' I rarely, if ever, oppose anything, as I think that we're far too elitist around here in enforcing our own opinions of what should be important to the world at large, but in this case, I can't see this being up to RD standards. Broadly, Trickle was famous mainly for his double-entendre name, he was a marginal NASCAR driver who raced mainly in the lower circuits, a minor league driver who won NASCAR's rookie-of-the-year in 1988 at age 48. His never finished higher than 3rd place on any regular Winston Cup (now Sprint Cup) race, the senior NASCAR circuit. He became a bit of a "meme" in the 1990s for his funny name, especially with the late-nite ESPN SportsCenter crew who never gave up the opportunity to say his name on the air; but that's all he was. I would not really object strongly to this getting posted, but in general, based on the standards most people hold at this desk, I can't see anyone else supporting this, and I hope I have laid out the case why people may object to posting this. His death is sad and tragic, given its circumstances, but he's a marginal figure in his field whose greatest claim to fame is a funny-sounding name. --]''''']''''' 00:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			{{ITN candidate
	*'''Weak oppose'''. Doesn't meet the criteria. He was not near the top of his field; while he was successful in lower levels of racing, that didn't translate to success in higher levels, nor do I see any evidence of some other significant influence in auto racing. While his unfortunate death was tragic and sudden, that is not enough in and of itself to be posted. Like IP98 it won't really bother me if this is posted, but I can't support it. ] (]) 00:29, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			| article = Yusuf Bhamjee
	*'''Oppose''' If we include this person then we should include ] because he was a well known actor (in a single country) and well liked. In my opinion neither are notable enough, if they were a well known head of states or religious leaders for example I would support it. --] ] 01:23, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			| recent deaths = yes
	*'''Comment''' has Paul Shane been nominated? Trickle's article says he was "bllied as" the winningest short track racer in history. I have no idea what hat means, or why he would be billed that way, instead of actually being such. Clarification would help. ] (]) 01:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			| sources = https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2025-01-03-tributes-pour-in-for-former-pmb-mayor-and-champion-of-service-delivery-yusuf-bhamjee/
	::He would be described that way because an awful lot of what comes out of industries like that is marketing hype rather than reality. ] (]) 02:00, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			| updated = yes
	::Being the winningest short-track driver of all time is not unlike being the minor league baseball homerun champion. It means you're really good against mediocre competition. Short track driving is minor league driving for the most part, as the small towns that support lower-tier stock car tracks couldn't afford to build and maintain a large tri-oval like Talledega or Daytona. It should be noted that his so-called "short track success" in the lower levels did not translate similarly to the Winston Cup, which has always featured several short tracks. Just as an example from the ], which was during Trickle's era, when he would have run a full season at the top circuit, there were seven races run on "short tracks", defined as ]. Richmond twice, Bristol twice, North Wilkesboro twice, and Martinsville. I picked that season because Trickle took his highest finish that year, a third place at Dover Downs, a race track that he started from the Pole; Dover is not a "short track". Among the short track races on the calendar that year, Trickle's best finish was 5th at the Pontiac Excitement 400, the first Richmond race. He did win the Winston Open that year, which is a non-points race, and it's also not on a short track. So, even the claim that he was the best short track racer doesn't hold up against the evidence, because when he raced on short tracks ''against top level competition'', he didn't hold up to the hype. No, he's maybe the best minor league racer of all time. That's not much to hang one's hat on. His death is also not being covered heavily as it was with Joyce Brothers below, who was the subject of long obits in print sources and televised retrospectives. All I've seen is very short blurbs about Trickle's death. So, unlike Joyce Brothers below, this can't even be claimed to be "in the news". --]''''']''''' 02:29, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			| nominator = Lefcentreright
	:::'''Comment''' Is ''winningest'' even a word? If not I suggest we don't use it in any blurb that my be considered. --] ] 02:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			| updaters = Lefcentreright
	::::For it has been. It is a bit of an Americanism, as OED notes its as a usage, but its a common enough word that many American sources use it; sports journalism uses it all the time. In other English varieties, it may not be, but ] --]''''']''''' 03:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			| nom cmt = Former anti-apartheid activist, mayor and member of parliament
	::::: In that case I suggest it's use is either wikilinked to somewhere or avoided, so those of use that use the as well as possibly a few Aussies etc. aren't left scratching our heads. But it's probably a moot point by the looks of things. --] ] 03:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			| sign = '''<span style="background:#0057b7">]</span><span style="background:#ffd700">]</span>''' 06:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::Even though this nomination most likely won't succeed, "winningest" is still in his article. Do we care if it's crap? ] (]) 03:38, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			}}
	:::::::The word "winningest" isn't any more crap than "petrol" is for what Americans call "gasoline". It's a valid recognized word in a national variety of English. Just because it isn't ''your'' variety of English isn't important, a factor which is enshrined in Misplaced Pages policy, which clearly states that Misplaced Pages does not itself recognize any one variety of English as superior to any other. --]''''']''''' 03:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::Absolutely true, but we have a global audience. If parochial words are used we really should try to explain them to the world. If we don't have to, then strewth, we Aussies can go the whole hog with jargon in our articles, can't we? Australian usage everywhere. You beauty! ] (]) 03:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::::No, it's not that we favor one usage everywhere, we use American English on American topics, British English for British Topics, Australian English for Australian topics, Indian English for Indian topics, etc. No one of those is "parochial". Different =/= worse. --]''''']''''' 03:58, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::::Gee, I think I've just proven (without trying that hard) that there are big linguistic differences between us. Jayron - I think we're really in furious agreement here on the basic principle. Maybe we just have different understandings of ''parochial''. ] (]) 04:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Perhaps. I don't define "parochial" as "Common and frequently used words from varieties of English other than my own". That's how I interpret the context of your usage. Perhaps parochial is one of those words with different meanings in different varieties of English... --]''''']''''' 04:06, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::Using an American word in an article about an American is not "crap" it is the normal, consensus backed thing to do, just as using British words in articles about British subjects. See ]. (Also, I am sure the meaning of winningest is obvious to any native English speaker even if it looks like a non-word to them) --] (]) 03:45, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::Misunderstanding there. My use of "crap" was to refer to the whole article. Irrespective of whose English it's written in, it ain't a great article. ] (]) 03:51, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::::Fair enough, that may well be an accurate assessment of the article. --] (]) 03:53, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::: {{edit conflict|2}} I was thinking about it's inclusion in any blurb on the main page rather than the article. In any case it's a North American type article so American English should be used there. --] ] 03:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' he just doesn't seem notable enough. '''<font face="Arial">]</font>''' 03:18, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' Jayron hit the nail on the head- this would be like posting the minor league home run king. In fact, he would be closer to the A-ball home run king than AAA. Or, in more WP terms, he simply lacked the sufficient notability in regards to being a top-level athlete. -- ] ] 16:00, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' not top of the game, not award-winning, although would love the debate over "winningest" (which is frankly the most abhorrent misuse of English I've ever seen). ] (]) 21:25, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	*This twee winningest whingeing is '''naff'''. ] (]) 21:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	{{archive bottom}}
	==== Cyclone Mahasen ====		==== RD: Jeff Baena ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Cyclone Mahasen		| article = Jeff Baena
	| article2 =		| recent deaths = yes
			| sources =
	| image = Mahasen May 16 2013 0650Z.jpg
	| blurb = ] strikes ], killing 14 people there, after leaving at least 79 casualties across five other counties in ] and ] ].
	| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
	| altblurb = ''']''' causes significant damage in ] and ] Asia and ], resulting in over X deaths.
	| sources = , , ,
	| updated = yes		| updated = yes
			| nominator = TJMSmith <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
			| creator = Zujine
	| nominator = Cyclonebiskit <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| updaters = 98.173.178.246, Simonthings18, DiaMali, Jolielover
	| updater = Cyclonebiskit
			| nom cmt = American screenwriter and film director.
	| updater2 = Tatiraju.rishabh
			| sign = ] (]) 16:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = Significant meteorological event in the Bay of Bengal that has resulted in widespread damage and loss of life. Six countries have reported fatalities, with 58 Myanmar occurring in Myanmar. I would appreciate a better blurb from someone though, I'm having trouble trying to phrase the information properly.
	| sign = --] (]) 16:28, 16 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	:'''Support''' why not? ]] ] ] 16:34, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''' Article is well cited and long enough to be put on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 21:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	:'''Support''' The storm has been in global news for quite a time now, and seeing the damage it has caused within a span of six days, it deserves an ITN. ] (]) 16:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''' Updated, now with good sources, and otherwise fully-sourced with satisfactory detail for ITN. ] (]) 02:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			* '''Support''' Article has been significantly improved upon since news broke and I believe it fits all the ITN criteria ]] 08:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	:: On second thoughts, i think an alternative image can be used. The current image shows the storm when it was weakening. We can consider adding the image taken on May 13, it has a stronger look. ] (]) 16:45, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			*<s>'''Not ready''' Filmography section is unreferenced and career section needs more references.</s> '''Support''' Article seems ready now. ] (]) 01:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::I think the May 16 one would have more relevance to the situation rather than an older one, despite the weakening. ] (]) 16:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			*:Besides producing ''Spin Me Round'', all of Baena's filmography roles are referenced in the career section. That section doesn't need more refs, nor is the filmography section really unreferenced, when it's a handful of projects all laid out directly above. ] (]) 04:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::Agreed. ] (]) 17:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			:: Zero footnotes in the Filmography section (thus looks like a block of unsourced materials, making the wikiarticle a poor candidate to put on MainPage). If footnotes are readily available from the prose, why aren't they re-deployed in the tables? The tables included ''Cinema Toast'', but this title cannot be found in the prose. --] (]) 04:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - This has received a lot of coverage, and is a fairly destructive cyclone. ] (]) 17:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			:::Honestly, when it comes to creators rather than actors, refs are rarely included in the tables. Cell-fill templates are generally used for yes/no, so refs can't be put in the individual columns, which would necessitate a separate column for (in this case) up to three refs. Why repeat when the information is available in prose; it's not a V issue to 'duplicate' sourced prose in diagram format, so to say it should just for MP when FA/FL/DYK don't require it is surely just your opinion. Fair point about ''Cinema Toast'', I had just been looking at the film table. ] (]) 05:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' as per Alex. --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 17:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			::::Why not add the reference to the title cell in the table? ] (]) 12:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	* '''Support''': Very important and unfortunate event. Just now, I was reading about it in an online newspaper, it seems it is getting lots of media coverages. --] (]) 17:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' has been on the BBC tickertape and is clearly significant. ] (]) 17:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		:::::IDK, style preference? But you can if you want. ] (]) 21:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Note''' - Updated to note that deaths in Bangladesh are now up to 14. ] (]) 17:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' it may not be necessary, but the lead is totally unsourced. --] (]) 17:59, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Usually only an issue if the the fact you're looking at is only noted in the lead and not referenced in the main body of the article, after all the lead is supposed to be a "summary" of the article, and not contain anything that isn't expanded upon in the main body. Can you be more specific about your sourcing concerns? ] (]) 18:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	***It's fine, no claims which aren't covered in the body. Just stood out as a block of text with nothing inside super tags. --] (]) 20:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	****Pretty much every recent ] follows the same approach. ] (]) 20:14, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' significant flooding in Sumatra, 30,000 forced to evacuate. Is there any value in waiting until the storm dissipates? --] (]) 18:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	**The storm itself is on the verge of dissipating so its impacts will end within a day. Only changes coming will likely be more detailed damage reports and casualty updates. Nothing big worth waiting for basically - I suggested this for today since it made landfall today. ] (]) 18:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	**JTWC has posted its final warning, and so did RSMC New Delhi. IMD CWIND is still tracking the storm as a Deep Depression. I just had a look at the satellite imagery, and I believe the storm has dissipated. ] (]) 18:20, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*I prefer the altblurb. The main one is a bit weird in that it gives more weight to 14 deaths than the previous 79. The multiple-day damage of the storm is what is notable, not just the last 24 hours. --] (]) 20:49, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	**Yep, altblurb for me too. ] (]) 20:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Posted''' altblurb. --] (]) 02:53, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	==== Spot-fixing in the Indian Premier League ====		==== (Posted) 2025 PDC World Darts Championship ====
	{{archive top|result=No consensus to post at this time. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 04:23, 18 May 2013 (UTC) }}
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = 2013 Indian Premier League		| article = 2025 PDC World Darts Championship
			| image = Luke Littler.png
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->		| blurb = In darts, ] (pictured) wins the ''']'''.
			| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
	| blurb = ] arrests three ] playing in the ] on the charges of ].
	| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->		| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
			| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->		| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
	| sources = , ,
			| sources =
	| updated = no
			| updated = yes
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
	| nominator = Vibhijain <!-- Do NOT change this -->		| nominator = OZOO <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->		| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
			| updaters = JamesVilla44
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->		| nom cmt = ITNR sporting final.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
			| sign = ] ] ] 22:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = Top news in India and Cricketing world
	| sign = --] ] ] 09:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
			*'''Comment''' I've ] bolded the target article since it was missing bolding per ITN norm. ] (]) 23:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	<s>*'''Support'''. I know little of the cricket world, but I know it is very popular in India and this is likely a big story there- and I would support such a story if it was about a sport I was more familiar with (NFL football, baseball) so I see no reason to not do the same here. Seems to be getting some international coverage (WSJ). ] (]) 10:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)</s>
			*:<s>Article is currently '''not ready''' since some parts is still in future tense (Overview) and has some sourcing issues (Most subheadings under qualifications)</s> '''Support''' since the issues have been resolved. Excellent work with the referencing, {{ping|JamesVilla44}}! ] (]) 23:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::Reference adding in progress ] (]) 20:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::Seed section now referenced ] (]) 22:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::Now referenced on pro tour qualification ] (]) 22:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Aren't all tables under the "Schedule" section violations of ]? Would this hinder it being posted? ] (]) 23:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' - Serious case, and worth reporting. But we can't keep reporting arrests (how would it look if we treated ] or ] in this way? Let's wait for trial and verdict. ] (]) 10:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			:: MOS issues are generally a yellow "cleanup" tag issue, which doesn't prevent this from running, as only orange tags do. ]] (]) 12:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose and wait''' per AlexTiefling. A previous cricket spot fixing scandal discussion is . --] (]) 10:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Yes, I think that's the right approach. ] (]) 10:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		::Trying to change them to fit but I'm not experienced with it and don’t know how to make the evening session bit work like it should. ] (]) 23:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Change to wait''' for conviction per precedent. ] (]) 10:20, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		::Schedules should follow now, right? ] (]) 14:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' wait until they're found guilty. ] (]) 16:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		:::Yes it should but there's something freaky on the table label showing the date on the show/hide function. ] (]) 20:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' The worlds most high-profile pub game being won by a guy too young to drink legally. Certainly interesting. There is one tag on there about referencing but looking at it, the tag shouldn't be there as the section seems well referenced as is the rest of it. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> ''']''' (])</span> 22:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	::''If'' they're found guilty... ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 18:07, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Nope. ] (]) 18:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''' ITN/R, well-referenced, congrats to the lad. ] (]) 23:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support.''' Well referenced. Good to go. ] (]) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' looks to meet ]. Marking ready. ]] (]) 16:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Posted'''. ] 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			==== RD: Britt Allcroft ====
	{{archive bottom}}
			{{ITN candidate
			| article = Britt Allcroft
			| recent deaths = yes
			| sources =
			| updated = yes
			| nominator = Ollieisanerd <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| creator = 66.185.84.206
			| updaters = TheStarSwitcher
			| nom cmt = Date death announced.
			| sign = ] (] • ]) 16:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
			}}
			*'''Support''' - Meets ITN RD requirements, appears ready. ] (]) 13:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' Where's the citation for two paragraphs in her career section? ''']''' (]) 15:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	==== Sanjay Dutt surrenders to Mumbai Police ====		==== (Closed) Devastating eruption located ====
			{{atop|SNOW closing (volcanic winter snow?), since there is a clear consensus that this will not get posted. If expanded enough, DYK is a good alternative. --''']''' 14:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)}}
	{{archive top|result=No consensus to post at this time. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 04:23, 18 May 2013 (UTC) }}
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Sanjay Dutt		| article = Zavaritski Caldera
	| article2 =		| image = Simushir ISS006-E-24468.jpg
			| blurb = The ''']''' ''(pictured)'' which caused blue suns and global famine has been identified.
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
			| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
	| blurb = ] who was sentenced for five years' imprisonment for illegal possession of arms during ] is going to surrender to Mumbai police today.
			| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
	| recent deaths = No
			| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
	| altblurb = ] who was sentenced for five years' imprisonment for illegal possession of arms during ] has surrendered to Mumbai police.
			| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
	| sources = ,
	| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->		| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| sources = ,
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
			| updated = yes
	| nominator = Titodutta <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| nominator = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->		| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
			| updaters = Wtmitchell
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
			| nom cmt = A long-standing mystery has been solved. There's still work to do on expanding the article and updating related topics such as ] and ]. Those who measure significance by deaths should note that the resulting famines such as the ] caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
			| sign = ]🐉(]) 11:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
	| nom cmt = ]'s mercy plea has been rejected and he is going to surrender to Mumbai Police today (most probably within next 2 hours).
	| sign = --] (]) 09:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
	*'''Oppose''' - <s>Let's wait for trial and verdict, as usual. ] (]) 09:33, 16 May 2013 (UTC)</s> Oh, there's already been the trial and verdict; I still oppose. ] (]) 09:34, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	:* Trial, verdict, mercy plea to the Supreme Court, rejection— these have been done. He is going to surrender today for three and a half year's imprisonment. And, just for information, Sanjay Dutt is one of the most popular film actors of India, and politician too! This has created lots of stir in India.
	:::I know who Sanjay Dutt is. I'm just concerned that this is a late act of a drama that I think we've already covered. ] (]) 09:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose'''. If I understand this correctly, he has simply been exercising legal avenues to appeal his case, which has stalled the start of his sentence. Maybe there is, but I currently don't see much of a difference between this and posting every move about ]'s legal problems. ] (]) 09:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	::It's obviously a more serious case than Lohan's, and Dutt is by far a more prominent celebrity than Lohan. I also understand that he's effectively been conducting his appeals while in hiding from an outstanding warrant. Even so, this not the pivotal part of this case - that's been and gone. This is more a ]. ] (]) 09:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Don't know if he is exercising legal avenues to appeal his case, but, today he is going to jail for sure. The latest update says he has reached the jail and going to surrender within half an hour so (the news article published half an hour ago, so, don't know current status). It also shows how seriously the best newspapers of India covering the events of today. Wait 1—2 hour, you'll get another Times of India update with more updates (he has been taken to jail most probably) --] (]) 10:16, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' this isn't in the news in any major outlet I read, and it's a hypothetical. Can we close this and re-start a new nom if something '''actually''' happens? It would also be useful to prefix Sanjay Dutt with "Indian actor and producer" or something to give the rest of the world some context. ] (]) 20:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			:'''Oppose the blurb''': Average reader would not understand what is this even about, at least in first few glances. Blue suns? Should be wikilinked, googling it gives weird things. Which global famine(s)? Too vague. If it is about some 1831 global climate catastrophe, does Misplaced Pages have an article about or related to it? Googling 'Zavaritski Caldera' on news tab currently only serves one news item by daily mail. It should first be reported by few major general news media outlets so that we may 'it is in news'. I don't say it is not interesting, but very confusing. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 11:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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			:: The meteorological use of ] doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. . Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. ] 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::: I was working on getting this started but got an edit conflict. Will leave it for now but my impression is that there's lots of work to be done around this. ]🐉(]) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			* '''Oppose''': the article is still a stub, and the blurb is not clear for non-initiated readers. ] (]) 13:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' Using the Little Ice Age article as a reference, there's multiple volcanic events that contributed to the changing climate from 1600-1900, and while discovering one of the sources is of scientific interest, this is not as key a breakthrough as the blurb seems to want to suggest. --] (]) 13:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' due to target article length/overall quality and a far too vague blurb for the average reader. ] (]) 13:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose'''. This is a proposed (unconfirmed) interpretation of an event that happened in 1831. It's a mildly interesting result but has no major impact. I don't think this reaches the level of significance or broad interest that would merit an ITN blurb. In addition, the article is a stub with a single reference. We don't seem to have any article about the 1831 atmospheric phenomena, just a single bullet point in ] - an indication that the event wasn't particularly influential or historically significant. ] ] 14:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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			====(Posted) RD: Tariana Turia ====
	== May 15 ==
			{{ITN candidate
	{{cot|]}}
			| article = Tariana Turia
	{|{{Portal:Current events/2013 May 15}}
			| recent deaths = yes
			| sources = ,
			| updated = yes
			| nominator = MtPenguinMonster <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| updaters = Paora <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
			| nom cmt = Co-founder of ]
			| sign = ] (]) 23:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			}}
			* '''Support:''' Reference 32 is a dead raw link, but other than that I don't see any problems (and it's a minor detail that shouldn't stop the article) ] (]) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' looks good to me. A giant in NZ politics for sure. ] (]) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Satis. ] (]) 18:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Not Ready''' On desktop and with standard width, the table under the "Labour Party" section title causes the text to be squeezed to 21 characters per row between it and the infobox on the right which makes the text needlessly hard to read. I am unsure where to move it. ] (]) 13:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:{{Done}} Table moved. ] (]) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Article is about a fairly notable person and is quite well-written. --] (]) 20:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 21:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== January 2 ==
			{{cot|]}}
			{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 2}}
	{{cob}}		{{cob}}
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			==== RD: Pippa Garner ====
			{{ITN candidate
			| article = Pippa Garner
			| recent deaths = yes
			| sources =
			| updated = yes
			| nominator = TJMSmith
			| creator = Wovenbone
			| updaters = Yoshi876, Erksahin
			| nom cmt = American artist, illustrator, industrial designer. Death reported 2 January.
			| sign = ] (]) 22:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			}}
	====Game over for ]?====		==== RD: Louis Schittly ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Kepler (spacecraft)		| article = Louis Schittly
			| recent deaths = yes
	| article2 = <!-- leave blank if nominating only one article -->
			| sources =
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
			| updated = yes
	| blurb = The ] mission suffers a catastrophic equipment failure.
			| nominator = Thriley
	| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
			| updaters =
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| nom cmt = French physician and humanitarian. One of the founders of ]. Death reported 2 January.
	| sources =
			| sign = ] (]) 17:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
			}}
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
			==== RD: Buddy MacKay ====
	| nominator = Count Iblis<!-- Do NOT change this -->
			{{ITN candidate
	| updater = Jusdafax
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->		| article = Buddy MacKay
			| recent deaths = yes
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
			| sources =
	| ITNR = no<!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note =		| updated = yes
			| nominator = Davey2116
	| nom cmt = Standing by to see if the mission is officially over (Jusdafax).
			| updaters =
	| sign = ]]] 04:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
			| nom cmt = American politician, ] for three weeks (1998–99), dies at age 91.
			| sign = ] (]) 04:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	}}		}}
	*The linked article says that it's "in trouble" and other phrases saying that the mission is not yet over. Might there be an official "mission end" date if all options run out? ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 01:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Comment:''' Several areas that need more references. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 05:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	*I helped format this so it would be a proper ITN candidate, but am not ready to support until there is more information on the mission's possible end. That announcement could come very soon however. ]]] 04:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*Seems it will still be able to do some science, but not the planet-hunting for which it has made headlines. --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 12:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Wait'''. The fat lady is not yet singing. It's down, but not out. If and when the mission is officially terminated, then we can think about posting it. Also. the blurb is misleading: there's nothing 'catastrophic' about a reaction wheel wearing out, after longer than the designed mission lifetime. ] ] 12:18, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' and renominate if/when it actually happens. ] (]) 17:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			==== (Posted) RD: Wilhelm Brückner (luthier) ====
	==== Europa League ====
	{{archive top|result=No consensus to post. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 04:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC) }}
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = 2013 UEFA Europa League Final		| article = Wilhelm Brückner (luthier)
			| recent deaths = yes
	| article2 = 2012–13 UEFA Europa League<!-- leave blank if nominating only one article -->
			| sources =
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
			| updated = yes
	| blurb = In association football, ] ''']''' the ] after beating ] 2–1.
			| creator = Rundstef
	| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
			| nominator = Grimes2
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| updaters = Grimes2, Gerda Arendt
	| sources =
			| nom cmt = German luthier in Erfurt. He worked until 90 in his workshop.
	| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
			| sign = ] (]) 18:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	| updated2 = yes<!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
	| nominator = HonorTheKing<!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
	| ITNR = no<!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note =
	| nom cmt = Second highest football trophy in Europe.
	| sign = <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;– ''] (])'' 20:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
			*'''Support''', I came to nominate, and perhaps update, but you did it all! --] (]) 10:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			* Article looks fine, nice work. Not sure if bibliography like this is needed, but that's not an issue here. Posting. --''']''' 13:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' - Well sourced, informative, ready to post. ] (]) 13:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			==== RD: Rosita Missoni ====
	*'''Oppose''' A look at the list confirms that the UEFA Europa League is not ITN/R. I see no reason to post a second-tier continental club competition. ] (]) 21:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
			{{ITN candidate
	*'''Oppose''' To all intents and purposes, this is the plate competition. Chelsea "qualified" by failing to reach the last 16 of the main tournament. ] (]) 22:25, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
			| article = Rosita Missoni
	*'''Oppose''' This is not the top club competition in the sport and it's impossible to support it even if this is football and there is a good media coverage. Chelsea are not certain to play next year and defend the title if they qualify to the higher ranked UEFA Champions League.--] (]) 22:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
			| recent deaths = yes
	*'''Note''' the only reason why this is actually more notable than the run-of-the-mill winners in lower tier competitions, is that this makes Chelsea only the 4th team to win all the three major EUFA competitions: ]. ] (]) 22:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
			| sources = ,
	*'''Oppose''' The ] is in 10 days time, and that ''is'' ITN/R. The Europa League is 2nd tier to that, especially as many of the competitors (including the winners) are only in it because they've been knocked out of the Champions League. ] (]) 23:05, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
			| updated = yes
	* '''Strong oppose'''. This is a booby prize competition for teams who weren't good enough to enter / stay in the Champions League. We'll post that, but not this. ] ] 23:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
			| nominator = Thriley
	*'''Oppose'''. Would be like posting the ] or ] winners. ] (]) 00:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			| updaters =
	::*Actually, no. The Europa League is an international tournament. But I still '''oppose''' this nomination. ] (]) 07:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			| nom cmt = Italian knitwear designer. With her husband ], she co-founded Italian luxury fashion house ]. Death reported 2 January.
	:::Point taken(though the Calder Cup involves Canadian and US teams); though my point was that those are second-tier tournaments. ] (]) 09:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Is Europe even "international" anymore? I'm having a harder and harder time sewing the "international importance" patch on to European stories. --] (]) 10:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		| sign = ] (]) 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			}}
	:::::Yes, Europe is a continent that consists of more than 50 countries, which demonstrates a very good example of something international. Unfortunately, many people from the United States define Europe same as the United States, which is completely false, and equalise a whole continent with a single country on another continent. Given all the relevant information related to the UEFA Europa League, I'd say that its importance and popularity are equal or slightly greater than the NCAA in North America.--] (]) 14:46, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose on quality''' Way too short to be posted to the Main Page. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::No comparison to the USA here, or the NCAA. With unified currency, trade, border security, (somewhat) judicial, agricultural and environmental policies (to name a few); and with ITN posting numerous EU actions (ban on pesticides for example), personally I refuse to acknowledge the UEFA as "international". I'm technically wrong. Fine. I don't care. This type of tight multi-national cooperation does not exist anywhere else in the world. --] (]) 18:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose:''' Article is still a stub. It also merely says that she died, but not the causes of death or any reactions to it. ] (]) 13:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::::No, you're wrong. I live in a European country with borders, trade barriers, different currency, and separate institutions compared to the other European countries. Please don't confuse Europe with the European Union. The UEFA Europa League is a competition for clubs from Europe, not particularly from the European Union. Thus it's an "international" competition.--] (]) 18:56, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::It's clear the Chinese are not the only people IP98 has a dislike for. Also '''oppose''' - not notable enough in the sporting world.--] (]) 19:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		*:Unless something has changed here recently, cause of death does not need to be mentioned for people who die of old age. RD does not require that degree of depth. ] (]) 18:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::::::I dislike the Chinese government. No problem w/Europe. --] (]) 20:22, 16 May 2013 (UTC)		*:She was 93. ] (]) 09:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:We do not require cause of death. But we do require that it’s at least start class, which this one is not. ''']]''' 20:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::::::Can you explain how that's relevant to this discussion? If not, please remove it entirely and don't do it again. You are entitled to your personal opinions about China, but this is not the correct forum for you to express it. And I'm certain that not '''all''' Chinese people are "facist baby butchers". If you want to continue contributing to Misplaced Pages, please exercise some self-control. ] (]) 20:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' Article has been expanded. Looks ready. ] (]) 21:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Is the 82.8's comment relevant? Clearly it is not and its personal for no reason. Perhaps ''all'' parties, not just IP98, should do a better job exercising self-control. Personally, I am sick of all the off-topic banter that seems to enter every thread these days. --] (]) 21:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' as per the 2nd-tier arguments above. --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 09:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' as not the pinnacle of the game in Europe, but note to some editors above, Europe is "international" as it has vast swaths of different cultures, languages, currencies, political and religious affiliations. Attempting to assert otherwise is absurd. ] (]) 17:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Someone should tell ] :) (and yes I recognize there is a difference between the EU member states and Europe the continent). --] (]) 20:22, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::And now please explain what relevance that has to this nomination for ITN of the Europa League final? ] (]) 20:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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	== May 14 ==		==== RD: Ján Zachara ====
	{{cot|]}}
	{|{{Portal:Current events/2013 May 14}}
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	==== Same-sex marriage in Brazil ====
	{{archivetop|1=Consensus not to post. --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 18:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)}}
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Same-sex marriage in Brazil		| article = Ján Zachara
			| recent deaths = yes
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
			| sources = {{cite web |title=Vo veku 96 rokov zomrel bývalý slovenský boxer a olympijský víťaz Ján Zachara |url=https://dennikn.sk/minuta/4386742/?ref=mwat |website=Denník N |language=sk-SK |date=2 January 2025}} {{Cite web |title=Legendary boxer Ján Zachara passed away |url=https://enrsi.rtvs.sk/articles/news/388238/legendary-boxer-jan-zachara-passed-away |access-date=2025-01-02 |website=rtvs.sk |language=en}}
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
			| updated = yes
	| blurb = A ruling by the ] ] declares ''']''' legal in the country.
			| nominator = Di (they-them)
	| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
			| nom cmt = 1952 Olympic gold medalist, died on the same day as another 1952 gold medalist (])
	| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
			| sign = ] (]) 16:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	| sources =
	| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
	| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
	| nominator = LukeSurl <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
	| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
	| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
	| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
	| note = Technically the court has declared ''government offices that issue marriage licenses had no standing to reject gay couples''. (More that "it was never illegal" rather than "it was illegal, now it's not"). Could be challenged by ], but sources suggest a reversal is unlikely.
	| nom cmt = Not posting the equivalent story for France has been considered by some as being a poor decision in retrospect. Brazil is bigger than France anyhow,
	| sign = --]<sup> ] ]</sup> 10:26, 15 May 2013 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
	}}		}}
			*'''Comment''' Current page size is 1427 B (243 words), generally still barely considered a ].—] (]) 18:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	'''Oppose''' From the article, it was not only never illegal, but had been performed over the last two years. This decision forces all notaries to perform same sex marriage, but thay have been able to for a while. Secondly, the order must be appealed by the Supreme Court, so surely the point where the appeal is dismissed would be the time to post in any case. ] (]) 11:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Weak oppose'''. This is different than the France situation; this is not a ban being overturned, merely an interpretation of existing law. ] (]) 11:19, 15 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Oppose:''' Article is very short, and does not mention the causes of death. ] (]) 14:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			*We don't post stubs. ''']]''' 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' As far as I can tell, Brazil-related story is getting far more coverage. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 14:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' Seems to be getting quite widespread international coverage, and obviously a very large country. ] (]) 21:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' These stories have ceased to present any meaningful threshold. It is a minor, and no longer novel, change in internal legislation that is gradually rolling out across the world. There is no merit in spotlighting every step in the journey. ] (]) 22:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
	::It's so minor that groups on each side around the world engage in massive protests(on some occasions violent) and spend large sums of money to persuade people to support them. The pro side is still a minority view. I oppose posting this story as it does not overturn a ban, but this isn't minor or novel. ] (]) 00:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Weak oppose''' - Perhaps I am in the minority, but I couldn't be less interested in a different gay marriage story every other week. I realize that this is the hip and trendy cause ''du jour'' at the moment, but as Kevin McE says, the novelty has largely worn off. --] (]) 22:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' Not a final court decision (this can be appealed), and unless there are extensive violent protests, this really isn't that notable. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 01:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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	==== RD: Asghar Ali Engineer ====		==== (Posted) RD: Ágnes Keleti ====
	{{ITN candidate		{{ITN candidate
	| article = Asghar Ali Engineer		| article = Ágnes Keleti
	| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
	| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
	| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
	| recent deaths = yes		| recent deaths = yes
			| sources = <ref>{{cite news |title=Meghalt Keleti Ágnes |url=https://www.blikk.hu/sport/meghalt-keleti-agnes/08q17gr |work=Blikk |date=2 January 2025 |language=hu}}</ref>
			| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
			| nominator = 94.44.118.57
			| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
			| nom cmt = The oldest living Olympian in history <!-- Additional comments go here -->
			| sign = <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			}}
			:Second and and third citation above from {{user|Spworld2}}'s duplicate . His comment was
			:{{tq|Ágnes Keleti has died, at the age of 104 , Hungarian Olympic champion, gymnast and Sportswoman}}. ] (]) 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			'''Comment''' Actually, she wasn't the oldest at the time of her death. Both ] and ] were older then Ágnes Keleti. She was the oldest living champion, however. But its almost there, the article. ] (]) 10:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''', she's a notable Hungarian athlete who not only won 10 Olympic medals, but was also inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, the Hungarian Sports Hall of Fame, the International Women's Sports Hall of Fame, and the International Gymnastics Hall of Fame. ] (]) 16:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:* This is a recent deaths nomination, and so as per the notice, only the article quality should be considered (every person with an article is eligible to be nominated). ]] (]) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Procedural oppose''' as per ]. The nominator is blocked for sockpuppetry/block evasion, so we shouldn't be supporting that by allowing this nomination of theirs. ]] (]) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:If they verifiably died, they qualify. It doesn't help readers in this case to DENY. Per the ] policy: {{tq|This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert.|q=yes}}—] (]) 18:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' Article is in quality to post. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Support''' denying a non-offending article's RD eligibility just because it so happened to be initially nominated by a sockpuppet account is a bad precedent to set. It sends a message that if you really dislike someone and don't want them to be memorialized, the solution is for you to quickly create a sockpuppet account and push out an RD nom, so that the target article is never allowed on the main page. The article is well sourced and ready. ]]] ] 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Oppose''' per Joseph2302, ] applies here. Rewarding a banned editor by posting this will only encourage more sockpuppetry. This should be closed and an editor in good standing can renominate. ] (]) 22:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:How about simply withholding the ITN nom credit template? No need to close and renominate the same candidate. -- ] (]) 17:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			*::Looks like that's what Stephen has done.-- ] (]) 16:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			*:::I don't give credits to IPs as I assume they're transient. ]] 22:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			==== (Closed) Yoav Gallant resigns from Israel parliament ====
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			| article = Yoav Gallant
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			| blurb = ''']''', member of the ] (pictured), resigns at the age of 66, after being fired in November.
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			| nom cmt = I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet.
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			| sign = ] (]) 14:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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	| nom cmt = Saw this on ]. Can't say I've heard of him before, but from a read of the article it looks like he may have been as a significant a figure in his culture as persons we have posted before have been in Western culture. This might be a good exercise for us in assessing the notability of such a person.
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	*'''Support'''. From reading the article, this man seems to be recognized and a leader in his field, and has recognition internationally. ] (]) 20:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' Thanks for the information, but resigning from parliament is not ITN-worthy. He was already ITN with the fact, that the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant. ] (]) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' not updated at all, but as Luke suggests, a good test. Please note there's a discussion ongoing about the recent deaths nominations at the ]. ] (]) 20:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC)		*'''Oppose'''. Resigning after being fired is hardly the news bombshell he might have hoped for, even if he is an international criminal. ] (]) 15:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Strong oppose''' first this doesn't meet ]. Also, this nomination was made by an editor with 29 edits, and so violates ] (need to have 500 edits to edit this topic area). ]] (]) 17:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	*The ''beliefs on women's rights'' section is terribly written and should probably be scrapped in its entirety. However should be a very good source for constructing a section on Engineer's theology. ]<sup> ] ]</sup> 20:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
			*:I don't understand your last sentence. Why should an ITNC editor have 500 edits? ] (]) 17:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' - I also had not heard of this man, but appears to be significant and internationally noted. Agree that article could use more work, but it appears to fairly acceptable. ]]] 23:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
			*::That's coming from the Arbcom decision on anythibg related to the Israel/Palestine conflict, which includes when these topics appear on ITN.<span id="Masem:1735843709420:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 18:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
	*Withholding support pending update and cleanup. Seems like something that would be of interest to our readers, a notable person, however as yet the article has no information on his death, not even a single sentence saying that he died, or how or where he died, there's simply a death date in the first sentence. Also, there's an orange tag that needs cleaning up. Otherwise, I would not object to a suitably updated and cleaned up article appearing in the RD section. --]''''']''''' 00:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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	*'''Comment''' I'm finding it difficult to determine how much impact he had: was he so much out of the Islamic mainstream that he had relatively little influence, or did he have a significant impact among the wider Muslim community as a progressive voice? Without knowing that, it's hard to know whether he was widely regarded as a very important figure in his field (presumably Islamic theology?). ] (]) 01:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''', doesn't seem to have notability outside of India, plus can't support an article in that condition. ] 16:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
	::The condition of the article may well be a serious issue; but I think the proposal is on the basis of the subject's notability ''inside'' the world's second-most-populous country. ] (]) 17:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::India might be the worlds second-most-populous country, but with only ] and ], I don't think the English Misplaced Pages needs to heap support on every cricket/building/bus crash/death story from the region just yet. --] (]) 10:27, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Stop me if you've heard this before, but this is Misplaced Pages ''in English'', not Misplaced Pages ''of the Anglosphere''. Whether or not the people affected by an event speak English should have ''as little effect as possible'' on what we report. We're already hampered by the lack of English sources for many things; let's not prejudice matters further. ] (]) 00:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::I actually hadn't heard that before, and it's a valid point. I do believe that when the size of a country is invoked, the number of potential English Misplaced Pages readers is worth considering. --] (]) 20:57, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' if ITN/DC #2 still stands. Unfortunately the Progressive Dawoodi Bohra movement doesn't appear big enough for it's founder to get a pass on that category. It's too bad, the orange tag not withstanding the article is ok, the subject seems to have been a prolific writer, and the subject might have interested WP readers. --] (]) 10:29, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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January 9

Portal:Current events/2025 January 9

January 9, 2025 (2025-01-09) (Thursday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip kill at least 22 people. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 European winter Two people are killed and 20 others are injured during a snowstorm in northern France. (AP) International relations Azerbaijan–Russia relations Russia refuses to take responsibility for the downing of Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 despite calls by Azerbaijan to do so. (The Straits Times) Armenia–European Union relations The Armenian government approves a bill to launch a bid for the country to join the European Union. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Venezuelan political crisis Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, in her reappearance after 133 days in hiding, is briefly arrested when her convoy was intercepted by security forces as it departed an anti-government protest in Caracas. The incident occurs the day before the ruling party-controlled National Assembly is scheduled to swear in Nicolás Maduro to a third presidential term. (AP) (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election Lebanese military commander Joseph Aoun is elected as the President of Lebanon, ending the power vacuum that has lasted over two years. (AP News) Death and state funeral of Jimmy Carter Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter's state funeral is held at the Washington National Cathedral in DC. All five living presidents, including outgoing president Joe Biden and President-elect Donald Trump, attend the funeral. (CBS News) The President of São Tomé and Príncipe, Carlos Vila Nova, rejects the proposal by his own party, Independent Democratic Action, to elect Hélio Vaz de Almeida as Prime Minister. (RFI)

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(Posted) 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election

Article: 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year vacancy (Post)
Alternative blurb II: ​ Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year presidential vacuum
News source(s): CNN
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• Updated and nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability, notwithstanding whether this counts as WP:ITN/R or not. Oppose on quality, with election article in particular needing some tidying up. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Yo.dazo I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

  Some paragraphs are still written like the election is still ongoing. Also every election session getting its own subsection is overkill—that could definitely be condensed into larger subsections and a single table for every round of voting. Yo.dazo (talk) 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support, this is highly remarkable and not just some run-of-the-mill election. Lebanon is notorious for its political deadlock, to which this is a surprising exception. Article also looks pretty clean. Skimming it, I saw no major issues and fairly good sourcing. The thirteen rounds of vote tables might be excessive, but are no reason to prevent this nomination from succeeding. Toadspike 14:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Important election that can change the Middle East geopolitics. ArionStar (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Would like to see a bit of content on the aftermath of Aoun's election today, but the article's in a good enough state to post regardless. The Kip 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support This is important for the destiny of Lebanon and also the Middle East in general (war with Israel, weapons of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran...) Also, the article quality looks good enough to me. Tradedia 18:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support finally, after 13 sessions, Lebanon has a president again, hopefully the political crisis there can start to be solved. Scuba 19:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - no ordinary Lebanon election. Important for both the Middle East and geopolitics at large. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

January 8

Portal:Current events/2025 January 8

January 8, 2025 (2025-01-08) (Wednesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Boko Haram insurgency 2025 N'Djamena attack Gunfire and military vehicles are reported near the Presidential Palace in N'Djamena, Chad, with the Chadian government accusing Boko Haram of being behind the attack. The Chad National Army has reportedly regained stable control of the capital, with 18 insurgents and one security force member being killed in the attack. (Devdiscourse) (Deutsche Welle) Israel–Hamas war Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip kill at least 27 people. (Arab News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia strikes, Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian forces attack an industrial facility in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine, killing 13 people and injuring 18 others. Further strikes on Zaporizhzhia with guided aerial bombs kill 13 more people and injure 32 others. (Ukrainska Pravda) (Ukrainska Pravda 2) Insurgency in the Maghreb Twenty-eight soldiers are killed during a mass shooting in northern Benin. (Punch) Disasters and accidents 2025 California wildfires January 2025 Southern California wildfires Palisades Fire, Eaton Fire, Sunset Fire More than 100,000 people are evacuated from approaching wildfires in the Pacific Palisades and Hollywood neighborhoods of Los Angeles and Altadena, California, United States, that have burnt more than 3,000 acres, aggravated by an ongoing extreme windstorm and drought conditions. Five people are killed, dozens of others are injured, and around 1,000 structures are destroyed. (AP) (The Independent) (NBC News) (Reuters) Deadly stampedes at Hindu temples in India Six people are killed and over forty others are injured in a stampede at the Hindu Venkateswara Temple in Tirupati, Andhra Pradesh, India. (AP) (Business Today) International relations Iran–Italy relations The Iranian government releases Italian journalist Cecilia Sala from prison, with Sala arriving back in Rome later that day. (Euronews) (Yahoo! News) Lithuania–Russia relations Lithuanian prime minister Gintautas Paluckas deploys the police to secure the country's electricity link with Poland in response to reported attempts to disrupt the planned decoupling of the Baltic states' power systems from the grid shared with Belarus and Russia. (Reuters) Azerbaijan protests Eritrea's detention of three Azerbaijani-flagged vessels and 18 crew members since November 2024, stating the ships entered Eritrean waters due to adverse weather en route to Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. (Reuters) Law and crime The British government freezes the assets of neo-Nazi music network Blood & Honour, becoming the first far-right group in the UK to be sanctioned by the government. (BBC News) Politics and elections The ruling party in São Tomé and Príncipe, Independent Democratic Action, proposes Hélio Vaz de Almeida as Prime Minister to replace Patrice Trovoada, who was fired by President Carlos Vila Nova two days ago. (RFI)

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RD: Pritish Nandy

Article: Pritish Nandy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: .Indian parliamentarian needs work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good to me TheHiddenCity (talk) 1:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Article has a bunch of uncited material (sections, sentences and is properly tagged with a refimprove tag).--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

January 7

Portal:Current events/2025 January 7

January 7, 2025 (2025-01-07) (Tuesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Three Pakistani soldiers and 19 Taliban insurgents are killed in shootouts in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Business and economy Argentine debt restructuring Argentina's country risk index, measured by the JPMorgan GBI-EM Index, briefly drops to 444 points, its lowest level since 2018, before closing at 561 points due to technical adjusments linked to upcoming bond payment amid improved market sentiment driven by cooling inflation and signs of economic recovery. (Reuters) International flights resume from Damascus International Airport in Syria for the first time since the fall of the Assad regime. (France 24) The merger of the providers of stock photography Getty Images and Shutterstock, by the acquisition of the latter by the former, is announced. (AP News) Disasters and accidents 2025 California wildfires January 2025 Southern California wildfires An exceptional Santa Ana wind event reaching hurricane-force in some locations in southern California, United States, cause multiple power outages and wildfire outbreaks, including a rapidly-spreading >2,900 acre wildfire in Los Angeles County which causes several burn injuries and forces 30,000 people to evacuate. (CNN) (NBC News) 2025 Tibet earthquake At least 126 people are killed and dozens of others are injured when a magnitude Mw 7.1 (Ms 6.8) earthquake strikes Tingri County, Shigatse, Tibet Autonomous Region, China. (Al Jazeera) (AP) 2025 Swan River Seaplanes Cessna 208 crash A light aircraft crashes near Rottnest Island, Western Australia, killing the pilot and two tourists from Denmark and Switzerland while injuring three other passengers. (Reuters) Thirteen Cuban soldiers go missing after explosions at an arms and ammunition depot in Holguín Province. (CNN) Health and environment HMPV outbreak in East Asia India confirms their first cases of the human metapneumovirus disease. (CBS News) International relations Denmark–United States relations, Proposals for the United States to purchase Greenland, Panama–United States relations U.S. president-elect Donald Trump refuses to rule out using military force to take control of Greenland and the Panama Canal, declaring U.S. control of both to be "vital to American national security". (AP) Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. makes a personal visit to Greenland weeks after Trump announced that "ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity". In response to the visit, Danish prime minister Mette Frederiksen states that "Greenland belongs to the Greenlanders". (BBC News) Panamanian foreign minister Javier Martínez-Acha asserts that only Panamanians operate the Panama Canal and that its sovereignty is non-negotiable, dismissing Trump's claims that China operates the canal and his suggestion of potential U.S. military action to regain control. (DW) Hungary–United States relations The U.S. Treasury imposes sanctions on Hungarian cabinet minister Antal Rogán for alleged corruption, accusing him of using his position to secure financial benefits for himself and political allies. (Reuters) Sudan–United States relations The United States accuses the Rapid Support Forces of committing genocide in Sudan during the ongoing civil war and imposes sanctions on the group's leader Hemedti. (AP) Law and crime 2024 Venezuelan political crisis Venezuelan opposition leader Edmundo González reports the kidnapping of his son-in-law Rafael Tudares by masked men in Caracas, as political tensions persist following González's contested claim of victory in the country's July presidential election. (Al Jazeera) Former Cambodian opposition lawmaker Lim Kimya is shot dead by a gunman on a motorcycle in Bangkok, Thailand. Cambodian officials deny allegations of involvement in Lim's death. (The Guardian) Lebanon approves the extradition of Abdul Rahman Yusuf, the son of late Egyptian ulama Yusuf al-Qaradawi, to the United Arab Emirates following his detention on December 28 after returning from Syria. (Reuters) Mauritius issues an arrest warrant for former finance minister Renganaden Padayachy over alleged embezzlement involving the disbursement of Rs. 45 million (US$1 million) from the Mauritius Investment Corporation. 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(Posted) RD: Brian Matusz

Article: Brian Matusz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by DarkSide830 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 02:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Not much on his personal life. But I think the article meets our customary standards. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  I'm looking for those details, but not finding anything atm. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Agreed that it meets our usual standards as-is. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 15:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Not sure why my nom was the one deleted, but as per that one, support. Career is well-cited. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
  • I didn't understand why my nom was the one deleted since this one had a vote. We can split the difference. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Because yours was the duplicate nom. Stephen 21:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Oh, you're right. DarkSide put it at the bottom of the day, I didn't see it. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ayla Erduran

Article: Ayla Erduran (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
Credits:

• Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Albigator (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Adem (talk · give credit) and ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Turkish violinist who died on January 7. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support 1880 characters (299 words) "readable prose size" Grimes2 (talk) 14:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support No CN notes nor anything that I found that was unreferenced, at least from reading through the article. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - good enough for posting ✈ mike_gigs _contribs 19:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) January 2025 Southern California wildfires

Article: January 2025 Southern California wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of wildfires in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces at least 80,000 people to evacuate. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Multiple intense wildfires in southern California collectively burn over 20,000 acres, killing five and forcing at least 80,000 to evacuate.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A series of wildfires in Southern California, United States, leaves 5 people dead and forces more than 80,000 others to evacuate.
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/07/us/palisades-brush-fires-california
Credits:

• Nominated by Thewetroadinsummer (talk · give credit)

 Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 12:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose I wouldn’t even say the article is ready for main space. We also almost never post about wildfires. E_F 00:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I still strongly oppose. Wildfires routinely go over 30,000 acres (heck, we didn't even post about the 300k+-acre Park Fire last year), yet we don't post about those. Media is doomcasting the entire fire, and is highly exaggerating its impactsE_F 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I disagree, while not the biggest, these fires are burning within the borders of the 2nd largest city in the United States. That alone makes this significant. MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 01:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is in very rough shape. Estreyeria (talk) 00:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose - not significant enough in the world, and I'm saying that as someone from California. Bad article quality. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 00:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  Changing to Wait. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment There is an article that is in better shape than the one being nominated. 2025 Palisades wildfire TheHuman630 (talk) 01:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  Support 5 deaths, significant news coverage and 1,100 structures destroyed. This is also threatening populated areas. TheHuman630 (talk) 02:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Even considering the second article, we'd not post a wildfire of this size unless it started significant destruction or lives lost. Its only getting attention because its close to LA. --Masem (t) 01:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  I am going to stress that without any current major threat to life, the only reason this getting the size of coverage is dye to being close to LA, if wildfires if this Suze broke out anywhere else that wasn't near a major city, it would be in footnotes. This is an example of media bias we should try to avoid giving weight to. There may be a true major disaster if the fires get out of hand but it should be obvious that right now this is overly amplified by the media. Masem (t) 14:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  Obviously ITN operates a bit differently from the rest of Misplaced Pages, but I think it's best to just say that these sorts of things are significant if and only if reliable sources are calling them significant — regardless of any WP:MINIMUMDEATHS or location criteria. And, right now, I think reliable sources are saying that. DecafPotato (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait I'm re-opening this as it's the top story and live in both the BBC and NYT and there seems to be much more to come. It seems absurd to prevent discussion of such a hot topic. Note that there are multiple fires and so we should consider 2025 California wildfires to get the big picture. Coverage also keeps highlighting the Santa Ana winds as significant and so maybe that article should appear in the blurb as it's quite substantial and informative and so seems to have a good encyclopedic tone. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Wait It's too early to tell, but I feel like this should only be posted if it comes out that the damage is unparalleled in LA history or if it hits something important like the Getty Villa. (I sincerely hope neither of those should happen.) Should also say that the blurbs definitely need fixing. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Wait I think it may be notable enough for a blurb, but it's too early to say for sure. Johndavies837 (talk) 11:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong support Historic wildfire event (most destructive fire in Los Angeles history, potentially the costliest wildfire ever, 5 deaths confirmed so far, worldwide news coverage). --Johndavies837 (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Unsure if this is a better article target instead January 2025 Southern California wildfires, which covers other fires in the Los Angeles area. Natg 19 (talk) 11:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Significant destruction of a large urban area. That there’s been no fatalities so far is extraordinary. yorkshiresky (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb3 as nominator, please let me know if you intend to or want me to modify it. Comment withdrawn as other blurbs have been removed. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@31.44.227.152: I don't think you can vote twice. E_F 13:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Wait, did I? I don't recall voting on this prior and I don't see my name anywhere. Could you in that case merge this to my previous comment or link to the diff? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, nominators can't vote on their own ITNC (correct me if I'm wrong). E_F 14:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Ooh, I see what you meant. I meant as nominator of altblurb3. Not as nominator of the article. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Ah. In that case, ignore my above comments. :) E_F 14:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

We use consensus, not voting. –DMartin 20:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Bad wording on my part. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 20:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment @Stephen: Is there any particular reason why you're reverting to your revision of the blurb? I feel it comes across as needlessly dramatic to the more matter of fact wording. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 02:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Slight rewording and update of altblurb3 and including that two people died. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 18:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait, today is an extremely critical fire weather day for the area around this fire. This could be something worth posting if all the pieces fall into the right place, but we won't know until they do (or don't). 4 thousand acres burnt is routine, but what might not be is 4 thousand acres at 0% containment before a full extremely critical day (followed by another critical day). Departure– (talk) 14:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong oppose posting this right this second now. Up to 5000 acres (nearly 3000 for the Palisades fire) but nothing seems out of the ordinary. Just a few months ago we had the Mountain Fire (2024) at nearly 10,000 acres and that was seen as relatively uncommon, so 5000 acres across 2 seems routine at the moment. I also feel this is getting a lot of coverage for being near Los Angeles - again, I see that as routine and sensationalized in nature. Departure– (talk) 18:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Not going to ask for a pull if this is posted. The Eaton Fire just exploded to >10,000 acres burnt, and directly downstream of it is metro Los Angeles. 0% containment, extremely critical fire conditions. Weak support. Departure– (talk) 19:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose not a significant destruction or lives lost. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Wait until more details emerge. I was about to oppose but it turns out that this is still a rapidly developing story – as of this writing, the fires are still ongoing and 0% contained – and while it does seem to be "routine" for now, this has the potential to become one of, if not the largest series of wildfires for this particular part of California. Vida0007 (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Changing my vote to support. This has definitely met the criteria for ITN, and has sadly become one of the most infamous wildfire events ever. Vida0007 (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Weak support Wildfires in California are common, but given the close proximity this fire is to LA (the second largest city in the U.S.) and how it's making global headlines, I am leaning to support this blurb. Article is also in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Massive news coverage of devastating fires with over a thousand structures destroyed and huge evacuations. Two confirmed deaths so far. Waiting for more confirmed deaths or further damage seems wrong to me. Opposers unconvincing. Altblurb 3 looks best. Jusdafax (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support One of the most historical events in Californian wildlife history, destroyed thousands of properties. Should absolutely be posted. The most famous event in the news right now. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 18:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Main story on multiple news outlets, large wildfire even for California standards. Angusgtw (talk) 18:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - we haven't posted similar fires in other countries, such as WP:In the news/Candidates/July 2024#(Closed) Jasper Fire. Also there's no indication about the death toll. Nfitz (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC) - change to Support - situation clearly has worsened, and deaths will likely grow. Nfitz (talk) 05:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

  As of right now, 2 deaths confirmed with several injuries. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Major news, major impacts, quality article to display. I'm unconvinced by OTHERSTUFF arguments about other fires or MINIMUMDEATH comments. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  Muboshgu, Respectfully, if ITN regularly snow closes disasters with higher death tolls that involve non-white, non-American people in developing countries dying from floods or typhoons, but immediately "strong support" an average size wildfire which kills 1-2 Californian Americans, I do not see how we can "WP:POLICY" our way out of discussing this blatant double standard. Brushing it off as an "OTHERSTUFF" argument without addressing the substance of the systemic racism and bias accusations is a disservice to the encyclopedia and reduces public trust in the Misplaced Pages mainpage. I might even support this being on ITN in a microcosm, based on my own personal views that we should only really exclude things that are being reported in the media from ITN, in much more narrowed circumstances. However, the double standard is outrageous. FlipFlopped ツ 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  I evaluate each item individually. Opposing newsworthy items because they are about the developed world is not the way to fight systemic bias. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Soft oppose the BBC and British media shouldn’t used to assess whether American news has achieved global notability, we should be looking at English language media in various countries

Kowal2701 (talk) 19:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support article seems in decent shape - I've not been paying attention to the story so wanted to find out more and came to wikipedia - I believe the purpose of this page is to point at encyclopaedic articles that people will be looking for - this seems to fit the bill. EdwardLane (talk) 19:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support. This is in the news and the article is in good shape. -- Tavix 19:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose on principle. The death toll is 2 and the acreage is not anywhere close to record-breaking. As others have pointed out, there were significantly bigger American wildfires even in the past 12 months. We regularly reject storms and earthquakes that are similarly "usual", only damage a few thousand buildings, and kill 1-2 people. The only difference there is that these are from outside the USA. In fact, I have seen other noms where it is a typhoon or a flood in a developing country, but is SNOW closed - even despite the casualties or total damage costs from these disasters being over 10x higher than this fire. Given this, there is no plausible explanation for why this local wildfire affecting a single American city should now be posted. I am disappointed in the blatant U.S. centrism and bias which once again plagues ITN. FlipFlopped ツ 20:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

If you want record breaking, it has been reported that it may be the costliest wildfire on record. -- Tavix 20:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

The keyword is "may" and "plausible", not has. If it was the costliest, I'd support posting it, but right now nobody reports that it is in fact the costliest. E_F 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Either way, fair enough that the fire may or may not worsen to record-breaking levels. By nature the situation is rapidly evolving. I will strike my strong oppose and replace it with "Wait". My opposition is admittedly mostly a protest about a double standard given we regularly speedy close similarly deadly disasters, but I will not punish this article or those suffering from this fire especially if this continues to evolve and is clearly notable. FlipFlopped ツ 20:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Reuters and the AP find this damage estimate sufficiently credible to be notable, and not without reason, given that the outfit has been doing these estimates credibly for some time. Of course, any estimate of an event recent enough to be on ITN is going to say "may". Chris vLS (talk) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Proposed an altblurb. Departure– (talk) 21:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  I feel the wording makes it read a bit more like a news headline rather than a blurb. I also think including acres without unit conversions makes it a bit too US-centric given how English language Misplaced Pages is aimed at a global audience, but that's just my opinion. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Wait for the story to develop; it's receiving a lot of coverage in the US but few outside the continent. Some sources point to possibly being record-breaking in damage but remains unconfirmed. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 22:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  International sources: BBC(front page), Le Monde, China Daily, The Straights Times(top story), Sydney Morning Herald(Top story), Der Spiegel. –DMartin 02:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - Death toll is now at five. Jusdafax (talk) 23:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support I had closed this last night as premature. Unfortunately the situation has gotten extremely bad with at least 5 confirmed fatalities and an enormous amount of destruction. As of this post, the fires are still out of control and spreading. It is receiving significant coverage outside of the US. IMO this now meets our customary standards for a blurb at ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Strongly Support - 3 large, uncontained fires within the 2nd largest city in the United States. Widespread coverage among both domestic and international news agencies. - MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

  Comment Four large fires now, as of a few minutes ago, with mandatory evacuation issued for the Hollywood Hills now. --haha169 (talk) 02:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support this appears to be pretty major news now, due to its scale and the size of the city it is affected. David Palmer//cloventt 01:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Support - Majority of the opposition posted before the situation was getting increasingly worse. pauliesnug 01:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support per above. Large complex of fires that are notably urban-adjacent. In the context of impacts, perhaps they do not scale to where some of the fires we've posted in the past have, but with most of these fires completely uncontained, I don't think it's too CRYSTALly to say the impacts will reach that range eventually. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Significant coverage in the news - not just local american news sources either - for example, this is on the front page on Al Jazeera and Times of India. Schwinnspeed (talk) 02:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support, has had major impacts on one of the world's largest cities, and most culturally important cities in the anglosphere. While a death toll of five isn't particularly notable, there are over 100,000 displaced persons and "numerous injuries". –DMartin 02:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Major event in a major city. --FelineHerder (talk) 02:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support huge fire with lots of damage. Needs to be up there, especially now that it's spreading. Personisinsterest (talk) 02:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

  Comment: Fires in California are regular enough, but not ones that threaten LA. I think it would be better to replace "Southern California" with "Los Angles Metro Area" GGOTCC (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

The pedantic reason is that some of the fires are outside LA County, and some of the bigger ones are outside LA City. The probably real reason though is to simply avoid that exact pedantic argument from breaking out, plus it is future-proof. Yo.dazo (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks! GGOTCC (talk) 23:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Bob Veale

Article: Bob Veale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Peter Yarrow

Article: Peter Yarrow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is in pretty good shape, needs a handful of citations Mooonswimmer 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Note: only two sentences with {cn} tags remaining, one of which could easily be commented out or removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support. Seems well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jean-Marie Le Pen

Article: Jean-Marie Le Pen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BFM TV
Credits:

• Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Not yet ready , the article is quite confusing and contains uncredited statements. Newklear007 (talk) 12:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support: "Life and career" section needs to be shortened or split, otherwise support as he's a polarising figure that's defined French far-right politics. Tofusaurus (talk) 13:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Recent deaths are not posted per importance of the person, but for being of a sufficient quality to post. One could make the equally objective claim that he should not be posted as he was the biggest loser in the history of presidential run-offs, and French far-right politics could not be "defined" by him as his party grew after his daughter kicked him out. With due respect to the dearly departed, I don't think anyone ever suggested that Ripken (dog) transformed any aspect of life on planet Earth. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - a couple of the sections need more references, I've just tagged where. After that good to go, I'm not particularly bothered about the length of the "Life and Career" section, that's the meat of the article and as a whole it's hardly overlong. I would oppose a blurb, just in case anyone is thinking of proposing one! - he has been influential, but not on the level we'd usually blurb for.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above. Pre-emptively strongly oppose any suggestion of a blurb. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Not Ready for the usual reason. If the article can be brought up to scratch, I would give a weak support for a blurb. His influence on far right politics extended well beyond France. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Support I see no problems with the article. Also I would support a blurb, I can't think of any one individual with more of an impact on French Politics in the modern day than him. Scuba 19:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support, no outstanding issues with the article. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  There are still 9 citation needed tags and an unreferenced "Decorations" section. So no, there are still issues with the article.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support – Founding figure of the modern French far-right that now has widespread influence in mainstream French politics. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Support on significance, Neutral on quality. Three CNs. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Support: Now down to two {{cn}} tags, which is not bad for a 5000-word article. Moscow Mule (talk) 23:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD. The article isn't perfect but it's good enough to post as an RD. There are over 100 references so we shouldn't hold it up over one or two {{cn}} tags. Strong oppose blurb - he was a politician who never entered government. Modest Genius 16:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Support – Regardless of personal opinion about this politician, he was widely covered by international press and his death is notable. ZebulonMorn (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

John Mahama

Article: John Mahama (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ John Mahama (pictured) is sworn in as Ghana's President with Jane Naana Opoku-Agyemang is sworn in as the first female Vice-president of Ghana. (Post)
News source(s): Ghana Broadcasting Corporation
Credits:

• Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)

 Heatrave (talk) 11:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support per nom. A significant event in Ghana. --IDB.S (talk) 11:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom Newklear007 (talk) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment I've bolded target article and clarified who is pictured. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The election is the ITNR and while it was nominated in December, it did not meet quality for posting. We don't post inaugurations as "makeup" for an ITNR being missed. --Masem (t) 12:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose If this was to have been posted, it should have been the election last month. ITN does not post inaugurations when there was a suitable target article, which is now stale. Black Kite (talk) 13:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose pretty much per Masem and Black Kite. The election was the right time to post this. Sorry, but we cannot compensate it not being posted with the inauguration.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support since we didn't post the election This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support significant, in the news and article is in good shape. 2A02:8071:78E3:DE40:C27B:CBB8:E11A:250E (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article quality looks satisfactory and this is a significant event. Ideally we post elections, but since we are now double posting prime ministerial successions in Western countries, I'm having a hard time buying the rational in the opposing comments above. Sometimes the double standards around here become a bit too glaring. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
  • The difference with prime minister resignations followed by the announcement of their successor months later is because there is a whole election aspect there. We have no idea who will replace Trudeau, for example. Once that election is done and the winner confirmed, we will post that, though not the day that they officially take office. — Masem (t) 18:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Do you have a specific example of an inauguration that we posted to justify the claim for double standards? I remember to have recently opposed a similar nomination on Von der Leyen Commission II where the rationale for posting was similar as here, that is, to post it because we hadn't posted the election result. Note that this was in the European Union, which is in the Western world, so it's not true that we have double standards for Western countries.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

    I think it was clear that the election of the Von der Leyen Commission in November was posted because it was the election by the European Parliament (as a parliament can elect a PM) and not a presidential inauguration: the differences between the two events are enormous. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

    • It wasn’t posted, but you’re right. While it was also a formalisation of the results from a previous election, it included another vote by the European Parliament. This inauguration is a pure ceremonial event without any uncertainty. In two weeks, Trump will be inaugurated as president, and that also involves some uncertainty because there are procedural votes. Anyway, my point is that I cannot support such ceremonial event when I oppose any event following an election that formalises the result.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

    I am pretty sure we posted Barack Obama's inauguration as well as his election. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    • That was a mistake which we shouldn't repeat.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose just because we didn't post the election doesn't mean we should break the norm and post the inauguration as a replacement. Scuba 19:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good and highlights a major event for Ghana and the region. Maxxies (talk) 07:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem ✈ mike_gigs _contribs 19:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support in principle. If we didn't post at the time of the election, and the reason is for article quality, I think it's reasonable to post when the actual change of power happens. The blurb is a bit awkward, though. Maybe chance "with" to "while"? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support In principal. I think it would be nice to start blurbing notable inaugurations. This one is especially notable as it also reflects the country having a first female president. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia (2024–present)

Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 03:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia (2024–present) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ HMPV outbreak in Northeast Asia and partly in South Asia (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian BBC Daily mail The New York Times TOI Gulf news
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: hMPV-24 outbreak in Northeast Asia and partly in India (South Asia) Spworld2 (talk) 12:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose This seems to be fairly routine. The WHO statement explains: As expected for this time of year, the Northern Hemisphere winter, there is a month-over-month increase of acute respiratory infections, including seasonal influenza, R.S.V. and human metapneumovirus. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose This virus has existed since 2001 and had routine outbreaks in other parts of the world and per above. Rynoip (talk) 11:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

It has not caused a large problem yet other than increasing worries that it may. Oppose. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 14:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose Every winter since COVID we see exaggerated stories about 'outbreaks' in China. There's no evidence that there's anything new or unusual. Johndavies837 (talk) 19:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2025 Xizang earthquake

Article: 2025 Xizang earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Mw 7.1 earthquake hits Tingri County. located in the Tibet Autonomous Region leaving 9 dead. (Post)
News source(s): USGS BNO News Daily Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by TheAstorPastor (talk · give credit)

 The AP (talk) 03:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Temporary oppose on article quality - quite a short article. I understand there are minimal sources on it(rural area + happened a few hours ago + Chinese censorship stuff) but still.

Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Changing to Support; similar quality as Port Vila was when it was ITNed. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Two 7.1 earthquakes just happened - the one in Tibet appears to be an aftershock of another earthquake the same day in Nepal. 9 fatalities across just the Tibet one seems low for an earthquake to be posted, but further updates may increase that figure. Departure– (talk) 04:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

USGS only shows one 7.1. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I was going off of the Daily Guardian article. I haven't checked its reliability for Misplaced Pages though, but it states there were two 7.1 magnitude earthquakes at 6:35 IST on 7 January, one at 28.86 N 87.51 E in Tibet, and another northeast of Lobuche. These might be the same but they're reported as two separate tremors. Departure– (talk) 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The death toll has also risen to 36. I don't know the time in China but by the time we get the article to ITN quality the true death toll will be more clear. Over 7000 rescue personnel tells me the final total might go into the low triple digits, but I'm not going to WP:CRYSTALBALL this one way or the other for now. Departure– (talk) 04:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support — Significant casualties, article has been expanded enough and still developing Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support – Rest in peace to the people who died in the strong earthquake. Too many casualties. Bakhos Let's talk! 06:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - 53 dead now. Nfitz (talk) 06:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Significant due to deaths. Article looks good to post. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted – robertsky (talk) 07:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

January 6

Portal:Current events/2025 January 6

January 6, 2025 (2025-01-06) (Monday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Islamist insurgency in the Sahel French military withdrawal from West Africa French President Emmanuel Macron states that France was right to intervene militarily in the African Sahel against Islamist militants, and states that he is still waiting for the Sahel states to "thank" France while also denying that the French military was forced out of the region. (Reuters) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israel–Hamas war, Israeli incursions in the West Bank Al-Funduq shooting attack  Three Israelis are killed and eight others are injured in a mass shooting attack by Palestinian gunmen firing at a bus and two vehicles on Highway 55 in Al-Funduq in the West Bank. (BBC News) Naxalite–Maoist insurgency 2025 Bijapur Naxal attack A bomb blast attributed to Maoist rebels in Bijapur, Chhattisgarh, India, kills eight police officers and a driver traveling in a police vehicle. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Kherson strikes, Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine A Russian drone attacks a civilian passenger bus in Kherson, Ukraine, reportedly killing at least one person and injuring at least nine others. (Reuters) 2024 Magdeburg car attack The death toll in the vehicle-ramming attack at the Magdeburg Christmas market in Magdeburg, Germany, on December 20, increases to six after a 52-year-old woman dies from injuries sustained in the attack. (BBC News) North Korean missile tests The South Korean military reports that North Korea has fired what appears to be an intermediate-range ballistic missile toward the Sea of Japan, in what would be the country's first missile launch in two months. The launch comes as U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken visits Seoul, South Korea, for talks with South Korean leaders. (BBC News) Two people are killed and two others are injured in an IED attack at a school near Abuja, Nigeria, with police identifying three men as suspects in bringing the device to the site. (Reuters) Business and economy 2022–2023 Russia–European Union gas dispute According to Slovakia, a planned meeting between Slovak, Ukrainian, and European Commission officials over gas supplies scheduled for Tuesday has been cancelled due to Ukraine's refusal to participate in the meeting. (Reuters) The Brazilian government announces that Indonesia has joined the BRICS trade bloc as a full member. (Reuters) Davivienda, of Colombia, and Scotiabank, of Canada, announced a merger where Davivienda absorbs Scotiabank operations in Colombia, Costa Rica and Panama, and, in turn, Scotiabank acquires 20% of the stakes in Davivienda. (Scotiabank) Disasters and accidents Several miners are trapped in a coal mine in Dima Hasao, Assam, India, with rescue efforts underway involving the State Disaster Response Force, the National Disaster Response Force, and the Indian Army. Local authorities state that flooding may have caused the incident. (Reuters) Health and environment 2020–2025 H5N1 outbreak The United States reports its first death from H5N1 bird flu after a man died in the hospital in Louisiana. (Reuters) International relations Syrian civil war Humanitarian aid during the Syrian civil war The International Committee of the Red Cross announces plans to expand its operations in Syria beyond an initial US$100 million program, citing urgent needs in the health, water, and power sectors. (Reuters) International reactions to the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election, Paraguay–Venezuela relations The Venezuelan government suspends diplomatic relations with Paraguay, after Paraguayan President Santiago Peña recognized Edmundo González as president-elect of Venezuela. (Reuters) Law and crime Volksverhetzung Germany reports a significant increase in far-right crime, primarily from increasing online expression offenses and hate speech, as well as an increase in Israel–Hamas war-related resentment. (Reuters) The Court of Appeal of Malaysia orders a lower court to reconsider former Prime Minister Najib Razak's claim of a royal order granting him home detention, which he alleges was issued alongside his reduced prison sentence for his involvement in the 1MDB corruption scandal. The ruling follows the disclosure of a letter confirming the existence of such an order, which the government asserts they have not received. (Reuters) Venezuelan Interior Minister Diosdado Cabello says that 125 foreign citizens have been arrested on suspicion of serving as United States mercenaries in order to cause a coup in Venezuela. (The Times of Israel) Politics and elections 2024 Austrian legislative election Austrian President Alexander van der Bellen gives a mandate to form the new post-election government to the Freedom Party's leader Herbert Kickl after the Austrian People's Party failed to form a government. However, Kickl is still expected to rule within a coalition of the two parties. (DW) Conscription in Israel, Exemption from military service in Israel More than 50 Haredi Jews join the Israel Defense Forces for the first time since the start of the Israel–Hamas war, forming the Haredi Hasmonean Brigade, after repeated protests against the conscription of yeshiva students. (The Economic Times) Proposals for the United States to purchase Greenland The King of Denmark officially changes the Danish coat of arms to feature Greenland and the Faroe Islands more prominently, following suggestions from United States president-elect Donald Trump about the nation purchasing Greenland. (The Guardian) Resignation of Justin Trudeau Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announces his resignation as leader of the Liberal Party and also announces that he will resign as Prime Minister once a new Liberal Party leader is chosen. (BBC News) Second presidential transition of Donald Trump The U.S. Congress certifies the results of the 2024 presidential election. U.S. Vice President and Democratic Party candidate in the 2024 presidential election. Kamala Harris presides over the ceremony and certifies her defeat, officially making Donald Trump the President-elect and JD Vance the Vice President-elect. Trump and Vance are expected to be sworn-in on January 20. (ABC News) Pope Francis appoints Sister Simona Brambilla as Prefect of the Dicastery for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, becoming the Vatican's first female prefect of the Roman Curia. (Vatican News) The President of São Tomé and Príncipe, Carlos Vila Nova, dismisses the Government of Prime Minister Patrice Trovoada. (Africa News)

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RD: Charles M. Roessel

Article: Charles M. Roessel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Missvain (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Navajo photographer, journalist and academic administrator. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: John S. Hunkin

Article: John S. Hunkin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Tsc9i8 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former chief executive of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce Tsc9i8 (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Indonesia BRICS

Article: BRICS (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Indonesia is officially made a full member state of BRICS (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Growing int'l supranational body. Pretty important. Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Not yet ready The article has multiple CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment – Could you please provide reliable sources indicating that Indonesia's admission into BRICS is "pretty important"? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 00:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

4th largest economy in the world.Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Indonesia is only the 16th largest nation worldwide by nominal GDP. By population, however, it is 4th worldwide. Departure– (talk) 00:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Here are some article about this news. Seems like Indonesia is now a full member state of BRICS. --IDB.S (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

BRICS is a large supranational body. Indonesia joining BRICS is comparable in notability to a country joining the EU. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The countries of the EU are far more integrated with each other than the countries of BRICS. I would not say they're comparable at all. The EU is like the US, BRICS is more like NAFTA. --Rockstone 08:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

BRICS is not even like NAFTA, it's a talking shop with perhaps some joint financial institutions. It's probably more similar to the examples Gotitbro mentions below. CMD (talk) 09:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Support Significant development for an interational body which has received increasing news coverage in recent years. While we should be assessing this item on its own merits if comaprisions are to be made (beyond the EU etc.) would we post if a new member became a part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, Commonwealth of Independent States, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation etc. For me the answer is yes as expansion among large interational organizations is not frequent and is always major news (also highlighted by the fact that our country articles highlight these organizations in their leads). Gotitbro (talk) 08:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

And the article appears fine enough for ITN to me. Gotitbro (talk) 08:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

There's 100+ such organisations and I'm not convinced that changes are always significant. For example, see Accession of Timor-Leste to ASEAN. Notice that this is a full and well-developed article about that addition but that we haven't posted it. The lack of an article for this Indonesia matter seems telling. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

ASEAN (a major economic block) and Timor Leste is one I would support posting when the accession happens . 100+ such organisations may exist but do any of them receive the same coverage as this one?, especially its recent expansion has been under much dicussion, see for instance britannica. Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates all joined last year, and that oppurtunity to post was apparently missed twice: Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates/August 2023#BRICS Expansion and Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates/January 2024#BRICS Expansion with similar arguments based on the organization's politics rather than the significant news coverage of its expansion.

As for the last point, ITN does not demand the creation of separate articles and an absence of it may point towards a lack of enwiki editors from Indonedia or those interested in the subject rather than a lack of notability. Gotitbro (talk) 16:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Needs work The update seems perfunctory with no specific details of the politics and impact of this addition. And, it seems that there's a big bundle of countries in this latest wave: Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Thailand, Uganda, Uzbekistan. The different status of partner and full member seems opaque as the article says, "It is unclear whether the countries in this tier have received official membership invitations". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  Not sure whether that is an RS, but the article makes it apparent these 'partners' are akin to observer states. Indonesia is the only latest member, as this article from AP makes clear "Indonesia’s candidacy was endorsed by BRICS leaders in August 2023, according to the foreign ministry of Brazil, which holds the group’s presidency for 2025. However, the world's fourth most populous nation opted to formally join the bloc only after the formation of its newly elected government last year." Further "Last year, the alliance expanded to embrace Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia has been invited to join but has not yet done so. ... Turkey, Azerbaijan and Malaysia have formally applied to become members and a few others have expressed interest." Gotitbro (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  The details seem vague because, as the article explains, "there is currently no formal application process to join BRICS". Per this source, "BRICS is an informal grouping, it has no founding treaty, secretariat supporting it or headquarters". Its effectiveness will thus depend on the quality of the rotating presidency. As it adds more minor countries, this will be increasingly volatile. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong Support on notability. Infer to others on quality of the article. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 14:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability, a major nation joining a major economic sphere. I find it funny that people are saying the absolutely huge and generally very high-quality BRICS article having a few CN tags makes this not ITN-worthy. --SpectralIon (talk) 21:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability BRICS is nothing like ASEAN, EU, NATO, AU or CARICOM. It's China's and Russia's little project to try and score some political allies and try to emulate successful supranational organisations but it has very little relevance politically or economically, mainly due to the fact China, Russia, India and Brazil are not on equal footing in economics nor political clout, and they often have wildly conflicting interests, never mind the smaller members who are only there to make up the numbers. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  You know you could say the same of Germany/France and the EU, or the US and NATO right ... Banedon (talk) 00:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  You could not, both of those have strong systems of mutual obligation. CMD (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support per Gotitbro. An international organization does not need to be as developed as the EU, CARICOM, or ASEAN for membership to be newsworthy. The bar does not need to be that high, and countries making multilateral groupings is notable international diplomacy in its own right. CMD (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support A join of a country in a major bloc is always notable. ArionStar (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Resignation of Justin Trudeau

Article: Resignation of Justin Trudeau (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Justin Trudeau (pictured) announces his resignation as the Prime Minister of Canada after serving in the role for nine years. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: ​ Justin Trudeau (pictured) announces his intention to resign as Prime Minister of Canada.
News source(s): Wall Street Journal
Credits:

• Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

 Major development in Canadian politics, leader for nine years. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

NOTE The linked page is currently at AfD and cannot be posted until that is resolved. The discussion should probably be suspended or closed pending the outcome of the AfD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support yeah basically what OP said Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Wait We generally post the transition. He is still the PM for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Comment Can you point to a case where it was decided to wait until an official transition happens? DMBradbury 19:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - format should be ALT2, per similar case of Boris Johnson in 2022. Trudeau isn't resigning yet, only announcing his intention to do so once a successor is chosen.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment It will take a few months for his replacement to be picked and will remain until then, so give that length of time this would be reasonable to post, though I have not had a chance yet to look at the article for quality. Masem (t) 16:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Needs expansion - the news of the resignation is just one line in the article so far, and there are no reactions. Suggest a bit of expansion there.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 on notability per Amakuru. Head of government announces intention to resign.
  -insert valid name here- (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Please, let's not encourage the addition of reactions, particularly if it is just commentary and not actual statements of intent. Reaction sections artificially inflate most news articles and are just bad content. — Masem (t) 16:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait until successor is elected. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality only one line in the target about the resignation. We posted Biden not seeking re-election so I don't see why we shouldn't post Trudeau's resignation. Departure– (talk) 16:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Wait Obviously a significant story that a long-term head of government resigns like this, but will need the article to be expanded further before it's ready to post. Gust Justice (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Weak Support - very notable, large worldwide influence, but article quality not amazing.

Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support. We posted the last four British PMs' announcements of intent to resign, (Truss , Johnson , May , Cameron ) even though their system allows for leaderships to happen within days and/or weeks. In Canada, Trudeau will remain PM until a the party membership elects a new leader, which will take at least a couple months. The news is the announcement that is itself the culmination of a month long political crisis in the country. Both articles seem largely fine, with a paragraph about the resignation itself and sourced. Reactions will come, but the news is the resignation not reactions. ---- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 17:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  To add to this, ALT2 should be used, since it is an intention to resign, not the actual resignation. -- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 17:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  Given that there appears to be a growing consensus in support of posting this, and apparently this was done with more recent UK PMs, are we now going to routinely double post changes in administration? i.e. An announced resignation or intent to resign, and then the successor? -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  In this sort of circumstance, when the announcement and the change of office are significantly separate from each other in time, certainly. This is different from the installation of a new US president, which follows automatically in January after the November election, because there are two separate pieces of newsworthy content - the decision of Trudeau to resign, and the choice of his successor - which at this point we don't know. It would be a bit bizarre to stay silent on something that's unexpected front-page news across the globe, just because of the technicality that we know we're going to be back to post another update in a few weeks' time...  — Amakuru (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  The key bit in this case and the UK PMs cases is not the resignation in of it self, but doing so amidst an ongoing political crisis of some sort. I imagine that the precedent being set would not be for all resignation announcements of ITNR political officeholders, since some may be fairly "normal" (e.g. resigning for health reasons totally unconnected to any political scandal) though I would be in support of that. -- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 pretty much what the OP said. I would prefer the ALT2 blurb as it is worded a bit closer to the truth than the main blurb. IncompA 17:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Mostly Support Pretty big news but needs expansion but I doubt that will take very long. Allied Panzer (talk) 17:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support per nom. --IDB.S (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - the "Minority government" section and the material I've just moved up to the last paragraph of the "Pending resignation" section need citations.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Per original nomination comment, specifically ALT2 for accuracy. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 17:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose for now we generally post the actual resignation and the succession of the new Prime Minister, not the announcement of an intention to resign at some unspecified point in the future. I'm not necessarily opposed to setting a new precedent, but normally we would wait. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above, pref. ALT2 This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support This is a big development for Canada and North America as a whole. Joesom333 (talk) 19:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose He literally could not hold power in office for much longer. He would be forced to step down in a few months, he just chose to do it right now. Also he will still remain in office for the duration of his tenure. Not that exciting, not that important. From canada's laws, this is was going to happen. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Not to mention his "resignation" speech was that he was stepping down soon, not officially quitting. So the media is just playing it up for no reason and wikipedians fall for it. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't see your point. The announcement of resignation (not in quotes, since he did actually state that he intended to resign) is major news, regardless of whether it happens now, or in a few months time. ARandomName123 (talk) 19:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Are you seriously trying to argue that a longtime leader of a major nation stepping down is not major news because it was “going to happen anyways?” The Kip 23:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Completely disagree with SimpleSubCubicGraph above. The opposite is true: the end of Trudeau is the exciting story which is ITN; the appointment of the temporary LPC replacement in a couple months after the LPC election is the formality which is relatively less important. To the point of Ad Orientem, although this will effectively result in "a double post" when Canada's new prime minister is inaugurated (probably after an LPC leader election), this is justified in the circumstances because each event is independently ITN and notable. Trudeau's resignation marks "the end of an era" of 10 years of LPC rule with him at the helm. He, Trudeau the individual, has been at the heart of a highly publicized dispute with the American President. It is evident to me that there is a high level of international buzz about the "end of Trudeau", which might not be present anymore when we find out who the new Liberal is that will temporarily replace him for a few months prior to the Fall election. I therefore support posting now. FlipFlopped ツ 18:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Flipandflopped it doesnt really matter, Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  @SimpleSubCubicGraph: I'm not sure if you're aware, but the word will refers to something that happens in the future, not the current situation... ARandomName123 (talk) 19:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  I have no strong opinions on whether we should be double posting successions of this sort. There are some solid arguments on both sides. But I strongly believe we must be consistent. This can't just be for the UK and Canada. When the PM of South Ruritania announces their resignation with a multi-week wait for their successor to be names, that needs to get the same treatment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem the eurocentrism here is saddening SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  I agree. Systemic bias has long been a serious problem on the project. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  Canada is not in Europe. RachelTensions (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  It's still Eurocentricism though. -- Rockstone 06:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  I find Manitoba and the territories to still have their own things going in 2025 and BC to be more of an Asian outpost, but yeah, Trudeau's province has a Paris, London, Brussels, Athens and Zurich in it. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  Assuming all other requirements are met, I would support such a resignation for any political officeholder to which ITNR applies. -- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 22:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  You seem obviously bias towards Trump's expansionism Personisinsterest (talk) 00:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Personisinsterest I'm perturbed how nobody seemed to raise note of the Canada will become the 51st state and we dont cover governors resigning comment. They tried to get WP:TDS deleted recently as well; between that and other generally poor behavior on ITN/C, wondering if a tempban from projectspace is in order. The Kip 08:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah that might be a good idea. Definitely seems non-neutral. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support per FlipFlopped and others. It's in the news now. Khuft (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Weak support mostly because he's been prime minister of a G7 country for a decade now, kinda like Merkel. Would like to point out though that if consensus is to post about future important resignations, WP:ITN/R should be updated accordingly—in part so we can actually define what an "important resignation" actually is. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. No reason not to wait until the actual leadership change occurs. Yes, it is news now. It will also most certainly be news when the official transfer of power occurs. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Well, one reason—this might take something like three months based on the prorogation, and in all likelihood will receive consistently high coverage during all that time. It would be odd to only bring up Trudeau's resignation on ITN months after it actually happened, and months after it actually was news. Hence why, as mentioned above, similar blurbs have been posted before for UK prime ministers. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Alt II Per Patar knight and Amakuru above. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Major news. Setarip (talk) 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Alt2 per Patar knight and Amakuru. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per our precedent with UK prime ministers. Davey2116 (talk) 20:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb 2 Very important to Canadian and to an extent international politics. Article is rapidly expanding and should be sufficient by the time any admin sees this. I'm also fine with the original blurb, but I like Alt2 more. --SpectralIon (talk) 20:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, with no comment on article quality (haven't checked yet). I think I prefer Alt2 because Trudeau's tenure spans longer than 9 years, making the more generalized language preferable in this instance. Kurtis 21:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Important to note that the article is up for deletion and the consensus is YES to not keep the article, so I think it should not be posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk • contribs)
• Support, though the target article should be changed to Justin Trudeau#Resignation pending the outcome of the main resignation article's AfD. RachelTensions (talk) 21:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted, bolded Trudeau, until the resignation AfD is closed. Stephen 22:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

pull he is not head of state to be ITNR and there is not new PM even. the election is a while way away. We should post the confirmation that trump was officially elected POTUS today.Sportsnut24 (talk) 22:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Isn't that contradictory User:Sportsnut24? And I thought we'd already ITNed the result of the US election. Nfitz (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

This is not being proposed as an ITNR item, and even in that case, the criteria for politicians at ITNR is holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government,, which for Canada, is the PM. The resignation itself is news. You are free to nominate the electoral vote count, but given that is usually routine that simply follows the November result, it will almost certainly not be posted. -- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 22:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Nobody said anything about ITNR. RachelTensions (talk) 23:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - shouldn't "Prime Minister of Canada" be capitalized as per MOS:JOBTITLES? estar8806 (talk) ★ 02:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  Bring it up on WP:ERRORS. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 11:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Pull - he hasn't resigned, he announced his intention to resign. We should only post his successor. -- Rockstone 04:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• pull per Rockstone. Trudeu has not resigned and we must await the appointment of his successor. The precedent with British prime ministers is a mistake. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Can you really call it a mere mistake when, as per Patar knight above, it's been consciously done four times already? It seems more like there's a new consensus now where certain types of resignation announcements can go on ITN. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support post-posting. If nothing else, Trudeau has suspended the parliament of Canada while a party proceeding takes places. I do think the blurb should mention the proroguing, but I do think the resignation announcement of a G8 leader warrants a blurb. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

January 5

Portal:Current events/2025 January 5

January 5, 2025 (2025-01-05) (Sunday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Kursk offensive The Ukrainian Army launches a new offensive in Kursk Oblast, Russia. (BBC News) Boko Haram insurgency Six soldiers and 34 Boko Haram gunmen are killed during a shootout in Borno State, Nigeria. (AP) Arts and culture 82nd Golden Globe Awards The film Emilia Pérez and the television series Shōgun win the most awards at the 82nd Golden Globes with four each. The Brutalist wins the awards for Best Motion Picture – Drama, Best Director (Brady Corbet) and Best Actor in a Motion Picture – Drama for Adrien Brody. (NBC News) Fernanda Torres becomes the first Brazilian actress to win the award for Best Actress in a Motion Picture – Drama for her performance in I'm Still Here. (Variety) Disasters and accidents January 2025 North American storm complex The National Weather Service issues winter storm alerts for areas covering nearly 70 million people from the Great Plains to the East Coast of the United States, with nearly 4 million currently under blizzard warnings. (CNN) International relations Israel–United States relations, United States support for Israel in the Israel-Hamas war The U.S. State Department notifies Congress of a planned $8 billion arms sale to Israel consisting of air-to-air and Hellfire missiles, artillery shells, and other ammunitions. (BBC News) Law and crime Capital punishment in the Democratic Republic of the Congo The Congolese government executes 102 individuals convicted of armed robbery and urban banditry, with an additional 70 prisoners reportedly awaiting execution. (AP) Former Ecuadorian Vice President Jorge Glas is evacuated from La Roca Prison in Guayaquil following an alleged assassination attempt. (Reuters) Resurfaced videos show Syrian Justice Minister Shadi al-Waisi overseeing the execution of two women in 2015 on prostitution charges according to Sharia. (The New Arab) Politics and elections 2024–2025 Austrian government formation The ruling Austrian People's Party appoints Christian Stocker as its acting chairman to succeed Karl Nehammer, who resigned as party leader and Chancellor of Austria yesterday. Stocker says that he is open to negotiate with the Freedom Party of Austria to form the new post-election coalition government. (DNYUZ) The German government reduces funding for two Israeli human rights groups, Zochrot and New Profile, that had advocated for Palestinian rights and antimilitarism. (DW) Sports 2025 United Cup In tennis, the United States wins its second United Cup title after defeating Poland 2–0 in the final at the Ken Rosewall Arena in Sydney, Australia. (Reuters)

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RD: Al MacNeil

Article: Al MacNeil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Kline (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Former NHL player and Stanley Cup-winning coach. Article is in okay shape minus one CN tag. Kline • talk • contribs 16:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Mike Rinder

Article: Mike Rinder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Former spokesman for Scientology, and later outspoken critic of the church. Article is in surprisingly good shape with just one CN tag. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: I fixed the citation-needed tag by providing a source. I also checked all the citations and added an archived version where needed.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

82nd Golden Globe Awards

Article: 82nd Golden Globe Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 82nd Golden Globe Awards, Fernanda Torres (pictured) becomes the first Brazilian actress to win the award for Best Actress in a Motion Picture - Drama. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Unusual victory. Brazil is at the top. ArionStar (talk) 16:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Golden Globes are not an ITNR)(I know it wasn't nominated as such) but if we are going to post any winners from these they should match the categories that we use for Oscars and Emmys, which are generally unremarkable this year. Fine tuning which specific category to feature so to highlight a first is not good use of ITN (what about Demi Moore's first major award, for example?) Masem (t) 16:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  A Brazilian actress winning a major American production award is a remarkable event. Theoretically she had not chance against Angelina Jolie, Nicole Kidman and Pamela Anderson. ArionStar (talk) 18:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, wasn't Anna Sawai the first Japanese to win the same category but for television at the same event? Being Brazilian doesn't make it extraordinary. (CC) Tbhotch 18:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose It is very difficult to imagine this kind of news getting widespread coverage as is required by WP:ITNSIGNIF. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Was considering nominating Golden Globes myself, but the issue, in my opinion, is that it lacks "main" categories like the Best Picture and Best Actor/Actress to include in the blurb without it favoring a particular genre/format. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 19:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose on significance; these awards are much less influential than the Oscars, serving mostly as a hint of what might win those bigger prizes. We already have six different sets of film awards on ITNR and I don't think we need more, though I can see an argument that the Golden Globes have similar influence to BAFTAs. Oppose on quality - the article is a long series of tables with minimal prose and no reactions. Strong oppose the blurb as written, which focusses on the nationality of a single category winner. Modest Genius 21:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Joseph Bendounga

Article: Joseph Bendounga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by Faldi00 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Central African lawyer and politician, known for his eternal opposition to every presidential administration Faldi00 (talk) 06:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: The Vivienne

Article: The Vivienne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by Tayce Widdrington (talk · give credit)
• Created by Another Believer (talk · give credit)
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 Tayce Widdrington (talk) 19:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Soft oppose. Prose looks to be well-cited, but discography and filmography need more refs. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

*Oppose for now until the discography and filmography tables have more refs. Suonii180 (talk) 21:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC) - changed to support, everything looks referenced now. Suonii180 (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support as references for the discography and filmography tables have been filled out. orangesclub 🍊 08:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support, discography and filmography citation issues appear to have been resolved. Morgan695 (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Now well cited, article appears to be in good shape. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 19:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: S. A. Khaleque

Article: S. A. Khaleque (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vinegarymass911 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Bangladesh Nationalist Party politician History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on article quality, article consists pretty much only of a summary of his political career. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The article is a stub. Ping me when the situation improves.  Lefcentreright  Discuss  05:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Costas Simitis

Article: Costas Simitis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Usnews
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Former Greek Prime Minister Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose 3 cn tags, 3 orange tags and a yellow tag. This article is a long, long way from being posted TNM101 (chat) 11:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support Article is very high quality compared to most other RD candidates, definitely important enough as well. --SpectralIon (talk) 04:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  I wouldn't consider the article in "high quality" as there's unreferenced paragraphs throughout the article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Congestion pricing

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 09:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: Congestion pricing in New York City (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city to fine driving in the central business district (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ New York City becomes the first non-Eurasian city to fine driving in the CBD
News source(s): Brazil Reuters AP UPI Fortune
Credits:

• Nominated by Sagittarian Milky Way (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Delayed decades despite gridlock slowing ambulances+almost EU strength mass transit even to outer burbs, many lawsuits, trial court drama till late Fri afternoon (basically suburb ppl lawyers going irreparable harm from day 1! $15+toll!), emergency appeal lost half day before the $9 "carmageddon" (0:00 local 05:00 UTC). $12 2028 $15 2031 license plate cameras @ all 25+ car entries to the island's southest 5mi/8km ed: 100+ incl. coast. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Extremely limited scope, and effectively the same as toll roads with flex pricing that are used across the US. --Masem (t) 03:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

  Over 700,000 vehicles enter the Manhattan CBD daily (many from the state that sued (NJ), whole island 9XX,XXX). 3.1mil ppl on island in the middle of weekdays 680,000 Midtown alone so millions in the zone+up to 24mil in the CSA affected by the new revenue. Since 2010 mean driving speed in the CBD dropped 23% to just 7.1 mph. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

  And? While NYC is big, it is not that big as to demand special consideration for something like this. Masem (t) 04:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose good faith nom. It's basically a local/regional news story dealing with traffic congestion. Yeah, I see why it's a big deal to people in New York. But if this was being implemented in New Delhi, I doubt it would get much notice here. And frankly it probably shouldn't. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem and Ad Orientem. Not of worldwide significance TNM101 (chat) 08:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose "City introduces congestion charge". This is news? London (and a number of other cities) already beat them to that. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose NYC is not even the first in North America. Mexico City introduced a system of restrictions and fines in 1989 – see Hoy No Circula. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Closed) Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor

Consensus will not develop to post. Closing early per WP:SNOW --Rockstone 06:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

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Article: Untitled Minecraft spiritual successor (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Markus "Notch" Persson announced that he will be making a spiritual successor to the original game, Minecraft. (Post)
News source(s): PC Gamer
Credits:

• Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
• Created by BarntToust (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I'm not sure if the blurb is good, but you can create an alternative blurb if you want. Bakhos Let's talk! 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose just an announcement, and we typically never post news about video games except when they win awards. Tube·of·Light 04:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Tube of Light. --IDB.S (talk) 04:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom per above. And honestly, it's borderline trivial compared to most of what gets nominated here and not posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Absolutely promotional, we do not feature any type of product announcement. --Masem (t) 04:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Tube of Light and Masem. Does not meet WP:ITNSIGNIF TNM101 (chat) 04:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose good-faith nomination per WP:CRYSTAL. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Strong oppose Minecraft 2 is one of very few non-award gaming events I would support a blurb on. Problem is, Notch can't make it ever since he sold the rights of the game to Microsoft. I might support it if it becomes the bestselling game of all time, but I don't know how likely it is for that to happen. Departure– (talk) 05:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per Masem & MtPenguinMonster Hungry403 (talk) 05:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose until release This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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January 4

Portal:Current events/2025 January 4

January 4, 2025 (2025-01-04) (Saturday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign, Journalists killed during the Russo-Ukrainian War A war correspondent for the Russian newspaper Izvestia is killed in a Ukrainian drone strike in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) The Russian Armed Forces claims to have shot down eight American ATACMS missiles fired by Ukraine and vows retaliation. (CNN) Haitian crisis, Guatemala–Haiti relations Gang war in Haiti Another 75 Guatemalan Army troops arrive in Haiti, joining 75 that arrived yesterday, to combat escalating gang violence. (CNN) (BBC News) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 70 Palestinians are killed and 14 others are reported missing in Israeli airstrikes on Gaza City and Khan Younis in the Gaza Strip. (Middle East Monitor) (India Today) Kivu conflict M23 offensive M23 rebels capture the strategic town of Katale in Masisi Territory, North Kivu Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Chimp Reports) Anglophone Crisis Gunmen from Nigeria kill at least five Cameroonian soldiers and injure several others in Bakinjaw, Southwest Region, Cameroon. (Reuters) Insurgency in Balochistan One person is killed and 35 others are injured, including soldiers, in a car bombing in Turbat, Balochistan, Pakistan. The Balochistan Liberation Army claims responsibility for the attack, which states it targeted a military convoy. (AP) Boko Haram insurgency The Nigerian Army repels an ambush in Borno State and kills 34 Islamist militants in a gun battle in which six soldiers also die. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents January 2025 North American storm complex Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear declares a state of emergency for Kentucky, United States, amidst the upcoming winter storm. (WNKY) At least eight people are killed and 15 others are injured in a fire at a market in Zhangjiakou, Hebei, China. (Al Jazeera) The Taiwanese Coast Guard intercepts the Cameroon-registered container ship Shunxin39 after it was suspected of damaging an undersea cable north of Taiwan yesterday. (Taiwan News) Law and crime Myanmar state media reports that the ruling military junta will release 5,864 prisoners, including 180 foreigners, under an amnesty marking the country's national independence day. (Reuters) The Danish Security and Intelligence Service and police announce an investigation into sightings of unknown drones reportedly flying over Køge, Region Zealand. (DW) Four teenagers are arrested in Yekaterinburg, Russia, for allegedly planning a terrorist attack in the city. Two of the suspects are also accused of being involved in an arson attack on a Ministry of Internal Affairs vehicle in December. (DW) Politics and elections 2024–2025 Georgian protests, 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis Georgia's Ministry of Internal Affairs announces the expulsion of 91 foreign citizens, including 25 who participated in anti-Georgian Dream and pro-EU protests. (TVP World) 2024–2025 Austrian government formation Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer announces his resignation after talks on forming the new post-election coalition government between his Austrian People's Party, the Social Democratic Party and NEOS collapsed. (Euronews)

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RD: Richard B. Hays

Article: Richard B. Hays (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Religion News Service Christianity Today
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by HistoryTheorist (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Marbe166 (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Innerstrife (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Died on the third but death announced January 4. Article needs some sourcing work, but I'm nominating anyway. Hopefully the nomination means that the article can get some attention. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Claude Allègre

Article: Claude Allègre (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entrevue Le Figaro
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chaiten1 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: French politician and scientist TNM101 (chat) 12:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose. Political career section is completely uncited, and some awards are missing sourcing as well. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Political career section now updated with citations; scientific career and awards also updated and cited. Chaiten1 (talk) 22:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tomiko Itooka

Article: Tomiko Itooka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Created by 103.85.36.150 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jake11223344 (talk · give credit) and INgIEroC (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Japanese supercentenarian. Date death announced. TJMSmith (talk) 15:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

 Comment: Noting that I should not receive creation credit (if that's a thing at ITN) as I only created the page as a redirect and did not edit beyond that. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him) 18:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Updated! TJMSmith (talk) 23:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Tomiko Itooka was the oldest living person as well at the time of her death, and we've generally posted these supercentenarian when they are at the top. Although, its not there yet. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose So far, not enough breadth in the article to warrant main page posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support Oldest living person in the world at the time, making her certainly notable enough for RD. Article is subpar but ultimately not a stub. --SpectralIon (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Strong Support They were the oldest person so that makes her notable. --Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  @SpectralIon and @Thewetroadinsummer, RDs are decided on article quality rather than notability. The Kip 23:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  Alright, thank you for the explanation. SpectralIon (talk) 23:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes

A consensus to post at this point will not develop. Consider nominating again if this becomes bigger. --Tone 12:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Signs of a volcanic eruption appears in Awash Fentale in Afar Region. (Post)
News source(s): Al Alarabiya English, BBC News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by AsteriodX (talk · give credit)

 AsteriodX (talk) 05:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose three months of low-level activity damaging 100 houses. Not significant enough. Stephen 05:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Stephen. Little to no unusually major impact thus far. The Kip 06:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Stephen, doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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January 3

Portal:Current events/2025 January 3

January 3, 2025 (2025-01-03) (Friday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war East Aleppo offensive Clashes between the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army escalate near the Tishrin Dam in Aleppo Governorate, Syria. The Turkish Air Force also conducts airstrikes on SDF positions. (SOHR) (SOHR 2) US intervention in the Syrian civil war Deputy U.S. Defense Press Secretary Sabrina Singh says that, despite local reports, the U.S. Army has "no plans" to build a military base in Kobani, Aleppo Governorate, which is currently under the control of the Syrian Democratic Forces. (Rudaw) Haitian crisis Gang war in Haiti, Guatemala–Haiti relations, El Salvador–Haiti relations, El Salvador–Guatemala relations A contingent of peacekeeping troops from Guatemala and El Salvador arrive in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, to enforce a United Nations-backed multinational security mission to restore order to Port-au-Prince amid an increase in gang violence. (Reuters) Red Sea crisis The Israeli Defense Forces report the interception of a ballistic missile and a drone launched from Yemen. (France 24) Business and economy Proposed acquisition of U.S. Steel by Nippon Steel U.S. President Joe Biden blocks a buyout bid by Japanese Nippon Steel for U.S. Steel. (BBC News) Qatar Airways announces the resumption of flights to Damascus International Airport in Syria beginning on January 7, becoming the first major international airline to resume scheduled service to Syria since the Syrian civil war began in 2011. (Aviation Week) Disasters and accidents January 2025 North American winter storm The National Weather Service issues winter storm warnings across the central Great Plains and an ice storm warning in Missouri, in anticipation of severe freezing rain and icing events. The winter storm begins impacting the northwestern continental United States with heavy snowfall. (The Weather Channel) 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes Evacuations are ordered in central Ethiopia due to increasing volcanic tremor and other unrest at the Mount Fentale stratovolcano, which last erupted in the 19th century. (Reuters) At least twelve people are killed and 30 others are injured after a bus carrying tourists falls into a ravine near the Pan-American Highway between Pasto and Rumichaca in Nariño Department, Colombia. (EFE) Health and environment Air quality technology company IQAir reports that Hanoi, Vietnam, has the worst air pollution of any city on Earth, with levels of hazardous small particles, known as PM2.5, measured at 266 micrograms per cubic metre. (Reuters) International relations Egypt–Syria relations Egypt bans the entry of Syrians from all countries worldwide, except for those holding temporary residency permits for non-tourism purposes. The ban also includes Syrians married to Egyptians unless they obtain a security clearance. (The New Arab) Germany–Syria relations, France–Syria relations German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock and French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot become the first European Union foreign ministers to travel to Damascus, Syria, after the fall of the Assad regime to discuss new diplomatic relations with the Syrian Transitional Government and Syrian civil society. (Der Spiegel) (France 24) Law and crime 2024 South Korean martial law crisis Yoon Suk Yeol residence standoff Corruption investigators and prosecutors raid the central Seoul residence of recently-impeached South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol to arrest Yoon for refusing to respond to three court summons. The raid is unsuccessful due to the Presidential Security Service blocking further entrance into the residence, leading to a multi-hour standoff. (The Guardian) (AP) 2024 Estlink 2 incident A district court in Helsinki, Finland, denies a request to release the impounded oil tanker Eagle S, suspected of damaging the Estlink 2 submarine power cable and carrying sanctioned Russian oil. (Al Jazeera) War crimes in the Syrian civil war The Syrian government arrests Aws Salloum, known as the "Angel of Death" of Sednaya Prison. Salloum is accused of multiple murders and abuse of prisoners at Sednaya, including the murder of Mazen al-Hamada. (Al Sharq Al Awsat) A suspect is arrested in Rotterdam, Netherlands, for shooting and killing three men between December 21 and January 2. The victims were selected at random. (The Sun) Human trafficking in Southeast Asia Chinese actor Wang Xing went missing at the Thailand-Myanmar border. He was rescued later (Jan 7) by Thai authorities. (The Star) Politics and elections 2025 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election The United States House of Representatives, composed of 219 Republicans and 215 Democrats, re-elects Mike Johnson as House Speaker over incumbent House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries. (CBS News) Next Ukrainian presidential election Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that the country will not hold presidential elections as long as the country is under martial law, even if Russia puts it as a pre-condition for negotiations. (Kyiv Independent) Pula Nikolao Pula is sworn in as Governor of American Samoa. (Samoa Observer) Science and technology SpaceX successfully launches the United Arab Emirates Space Agency's communications satellite Thuraya 4-NGS via a Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida, United States. (Space News) Sports 2025 PDC World Darts Championship Luke Littler defeats Michael van Gerwen 7–3 in the final at Alexandra Palace in London, England, to claim his first World Darts Championship title, becoming the youngest player to win a world title at the age of 17 years. (BBC News)

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RD: Hans Dieter Beck

Article: Hans Dieter Beck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LTO and several others
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Influential publisher in 6th generation of leading publishing house C. H. Beck. New article by Thriley. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Yusuf Bhamjee

Article: Yusuf Bhamjee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2025-01-03-tributes-pour-in-for-former-pmb-mayor-and-champion-of-service-delivery-yusuf-bhamjee/
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Lefcentreright (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Former anti-apartheid activist, mayor and member of parliament  Lefcentreright  Discuss  06:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jeff Baena

Article: Jeff Baena (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People Magazine
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Created by Zujine (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 98.173.178.246 (talk · give credit), Simonthings18 (talk · give credit), DiaMali (talk · give credit) and Jolielover (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American screenwriter and film director. TJMSmith (talk) 16:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is well cited and long enough to be put on ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Updated, now with good sources, and otherwise fully-sourced with satisfactory detail for ITN. Kingsif (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article has been significantly improved upon since news broke and I believe it fits all the ITN criteria jolielover♥talk 08:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Not ready Filmography section is unreferenced and career section needs more references. Support Article seems ready now. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 01:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  Besides producing Spin Me Round, all of Baena's filmography roles are referenced in the career section. That section doesn't need more refs, nor is the filmography section really unreferenced, when it's a handful of projects all laid out directly above. Kingsif (talk) 04:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Zero footnotes in the Filmography section (thus looks like a block of unsourced materials, making the wikiarticle a poor candidate to put on MainPage). If footnotes are readily available from the prose, why aren't they re-deployed in the tables? The tables included Cinema Toast, but this title cannot be found in the prose. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Honestly, when it comes to creators rather than actors, refs are rarely included in the tables. Cell-fill templates are generally used for yes/no, so refs can't be put in the individual columns, which would necessitate a separate column for (in this case) up to three refs. Why repeat when the information is available in prose; it's not a V issue to 'duplicate' sourced prose in diagram format, so to say it should just for MP when FA/FL/DYK don't require it is surely just your opinion. Fair point about Cinema Toast, I had just been looking at the film table. Kingsif (talk) 05:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why not add the reference to the title cell in the table? 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

IDK, style preference? But you can if you want. Kingsif (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) 2025 PDC World Darts Championship

Article: 2025 PDC World Darts Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In darts, Luke Littler (pictured) wins the 2025 PDC World Darts Championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by OZOO (talk · give credit)
• Updated by JamesVilla44 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: ITNR sporting final. OZOO (t) (c) 22:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment I've boldly bolded the target article since it was missing bolding per ITN norm. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 23:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  Article is currently not ready since some parts is still in future tense (Overview) and has some sourcing issues (Most subheadings under qualifications) Support since the issues have been resolved. Excellent work with the referencing, @JamesVilla44:! 31.44.227.152 (talk) 23:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  Reference adding in progress JamesVilla44 (talk) 20:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  Seed section now referenced JamesVilla44 (talk) 22:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  Now referenced on pro tour qualification JamesVilla44 (talk) 22:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Aren't all tables under the "Schedule" section violations of MOS:COLHEAD? Would this hinder it being posted? Howard the Duck (talk) 23:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

MOS issues are generally a yellow "cleanup" tag issue, which doesn't prevent this from running, as only orange tags do. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Trying to change them to fit but I'm not experienced with it and don’t know how to make the evening session bit work like it should. JamesVilla44 (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Schedules should follow now, right? JamesVilla44 (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes it should but there's something freaky on the table label showing the date on the show/hide function. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support The worlds most high-profile pub game being won by a guy too young to drink legally. Certainly interesting. There is one tag on there about referencing but looking at it, the tag shouldn't be there as the section seems well referenced as is the rest of it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 22:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support ITN/R, well-referenced, congrats to the lad. Effy Midwinter (talk) 23:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Well referenced. Good to go. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support looks to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Marking ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Britt Allcroft

Article: Britt Allcroft (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by 66.185.84.206 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheStarSwitcher (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Date death announced. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support - Meets ITN RD requirements, appears ready. Jusdafax (talk) 13:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Where's the citation for two paragraphs in her career section? TNM101 (chat) 15:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Devastating eruption located

SNOW closing (volcanic winter snow?), since there is a clear consensus that this will not get posted. If expanded enough, DYK is a good alternative. --Tone 14:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Zavaritski Caldera (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The site of the volcanic eruption (pictured) which caused blue suns and global famine has been identified. (Post)
News source(s): AAAS, Jerusalem Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Wtmitchell (talk · give credit)

Article updatedNominator's comments: A long-standing mystery has been solved. There's still work to do on expanding the article and updating related topics such as Graham Island and Little Ice Age volcanism. Those who measure significance by deaths should note that the resulting famines such as the Tenpō famine caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose the blurb: Average reader would not understand what is this even about, at least in first few glances. Blue suns? Should be wikilinked, googling it gives weird things. Which global famine(s)? Too vague. If it is about some 1831 global climate catastrophe, does Misplaced Pages have an article about or related to it? Googling 'Zavaritski Caldera' on news tab currently only serves one news item by daily mail. It should first be reported by few major general news media outlets so that we may 'it is in news'. I don't say it is not interesting, but very confusing. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 11:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

The meteorological use of Blue sun doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. . Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I was working on getting this started but got an edit conflict. Will leave it for now but my impression is that there's lots of work to be done around this. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose: the article is still a stub, and the blurb is not clear for non-initiated readers. Cambalachero (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Using the Little Ice Age article as a reference, there's multiple volcanic events that contributed to the changing climate from 1600-1900, and while discovering one of the sources is of scientific interest, this is not as key a breakthrough as the blurb seems to want to suggest. --Masem (t) 13:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose due to target article length/overall quality and a far too vague blurb for the average reader. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is a proposed (unconfirmed) interpretation of an event that happened in 1831. It's a mildly interesting result but has no major impact. I don't think this reaches the level of significance or broad interest that would merit an ITN blurb. In addition, the article is a stub with a single reference. We don't seem to have any article about the 1831 atmospheric phenomena, just a single bullet point in Little_Ice_Age_volcanism#1809–1831 - an indication that the event wasn't particularly influential or historically significant. Modest Genius 14:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Tariana Turia

Article: Tariana Turia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, The NZ Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by MtPenguinMonster (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Te Pāti Māori MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support: Reference 32 is a dead raw link, but other than that I don't see any problems (and it's a minor detail that shouldn't stop the article) Cambalachero (talk) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support looks good to me. A giant in NZ politics for sure. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Not Ready On desktop and with standard width, the table under the "Labour Party" section title causes the text to be squeezed to 21 characters per row between it and the infobox on the right which makes the text needlessly hard to read. I am unsure where to move it. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

   Done Table moved. Grimes2 (talk) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is about a fairly notable person and is quite well-written. --Sura Shukurlu (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer 21:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

January 2

Portal:Current events/2025 January 2

January 2, 2025 (2025-01-02) (Thursday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Israeli invasion of Syria Israeli warplanes carry out airstrikes on defense factories and a research center in Al-Safira, Aleppo Governorate, Syria. (Xinhua) US intervention in the Syrian civil war According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, U.S. forces are deploying a new convoy to areas controlled by the Syrian Democratic Forces in Kobani, Aleppo Governorate, as part of operations to establish a new US military base in north-eastern Syria. (SOHR) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Eleven people are killed, including a Hamas police chief, in an Israeli airstrike on a refugee camp in al-Mawasi in the Gaza Strip. (BBC News) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office announces that it has approved a delegation to Doha, Qatar for ceasefire talks. (Reuters) Somali Civil War, War against the Islamic State Islamic State insurgency in Puntland Puntland forces conduct airstrikes on ISIL hideouts in Bari, Puntland, Somalia, after they announced a military offensive against ISIL and Al-Shabaab. (Idil News) (VOA) 2025 New Orleans truck attack, 2025 Las Vegas Trump Hotel bombing Christopher Raia, the deputy assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division, says he believes that there is "no definitive link" between the two alleged U.S. Army servicemen perpetrators of the attacks, Shamsud-Din Jabbar in New Orleans and Matthew Alan Livelsberger in Las Vegas. (BBC) Business and economy German economic crisis The Handelsblatt Research Institute reports that the German economy is in its "greatest crisis in post-war history" after projecting that the economy will enter its third year of recession in 2025 with a 0.1% contraction, following a 0.3% contraction in both 2023 and 2024. (TVP World) Disasters and accidents 2025 Fullerton plane crash A small plane crashes through the roof of a commercial warehouse in Fullerton, California, United States, causing a fire, killing two people and injuring at least 18 others. (KABC-TV) (AP) Two officers were injured in an explosion of an unknown object at a police fence in Berlin-Wittenau; the reasons for this are still unclear. (tagesschau) International relations Iran–Italy relations Italy summons Iran's ambassador to demand the release of Il Foglio reporter Cecilia Sala, detained in Tehran for alleged legal violations. (AP) Syria–Ukraine relations Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that Ukraine will pledge support to the Syrian transitional government. (The Press Democrat) Politics and elections 2024 Venezuelan political crisis The government of Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro offers a US$100,000 reward for the capture of exiled opposition leader Edmundo González Urrutia, who claims that he is ready to take office as the legitimate president on January 10. (El Universal) (El País) Ecuadorian president Daniel Noboa decrees the suspension of his vice president Verónica Abad accusing her of contempt, and the handover of her functions to national planning secretary Sariha Moya. Noboa already appointed Moya to replace Abad in November 2024, but a constitutional judge reversed the decree in December. (Swiss Info) The Parliament of Ghana prevents a potential government shutdown by approving a provisional budget of ₵68.1 billion ($4.65 billion) to fund government operations through March, amid a transition to John Mahama's presidency. (Reuters) The Constitutional Court of Indonesia rules that the 20% electoral threshold for political parties to nominate a presidential candidate is not legally binding, potentially enabling smaller parties to participate in future presidential elections without the need to form coalition with larger parties. (Reuters) The Chilean president, Gabriel Boric, begins a historic three-day trip to Antarctica along with civil, scientific and military authorities. According to the Chilean Government, the codenamed Operación Estrella Polar III seeks to strengthen the country's presence in the territory. (Government of Chile) Jenniffer González Colón takes office as Governor of Puerto Rico. (PBS) Science and technology 2025 in paleontology, Dinosaur finds in the United Kingdom The largest site of dinosaur footprints of the Cetiosaurus and Megalosaurus dating back to the Middle Jurassic Bathonian stage 166 million years ago is discovered at a quarry in Oxfordshire, England, United Kingdom. (BBC News)

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RD: Pippa Garner

Article: Pippa Garner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Art Net
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Created by Wovenbone (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit) and Erksahin (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American artist, illustrator, industrial designer. Death reported 2 January. TJMSmith (talk) 22:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Louis Schittly

Article: Louis Schittly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: French physician and humanitarian. One of the founders of Médecins Sans Frontières. Death reported 2 January. Thriley (talk) 17:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Buddy MacKay

Article: Buddy MacKay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American politician, governor of Florida for three weeks (1998–99), dies at age 91. Davey2116 (talk) 04:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Several areas that need more references. Spencer 05:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Wilhelm Brückner (luthier)

Article: Wilhelm Brückner (luthier) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MDR
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Rundstef (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: German luthier in Erfurt. He worked until 90 in his workshop. Grimes2 (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support, I came to nominate, and perhaps update, but you did it all! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Article looks fine, nice work. Not sure if bibliography like this is needed, but that's not an issue here. Posting. --Tone 13:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Well sourced, informative, ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 13:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Rosita Missoni

Article: Rosita Missoni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian knitwear designer. With her husband Ottavio Missoni, she co-founded Italian luxury fashion house Missoni. Death reported 2 January. Thriley (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Way too short to be posted to the Main Page. Armbrust 22:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose: Article is still a stub. It also merely says that she died, but not the causes of death or any reactions to it. Cambalachero (talk) 13:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  Unless something has changed here recently, cause of death does not need to be mentioned for people who die of old age. RD does not require that degree of depth. Curbon7 (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  She was 93. RachelTensions (talk) 09:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  We do not require cause of death. But we do require that it’s at least start class, which this one is not. Schwede66 20:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Article has been expanded. Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 21:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ján Zachara

Article: Ján Zachara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): "Vo veku 96 rokov zomrel bývalý slovenský boxer a olympijský víťaz Ján Zachara". Denník N (in Slovak). 2 January 2025. "Legendary boxer Ján Zachara passed away". rtvs.sk. Retrieved 2025-01-02.
Credits:

• Nominated by Di (they-them) (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: 1952 Olympic gold medalist, died on the same day as another 1952 gold medalist (Ágnes Keleti) Di (they-them) (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Current page size is 1427 B (243 words), generally still barely considered a WP:STUB.—Bagumba (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose: Article is very short, and does not mention the causes of death. Cambalachero (talk) 14:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• We don't post stubs. Schwede66 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ágnes Keleti

Article: Ágnes Keleti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): blikk portfolio hvg
Credits:

• Nominated by 94.44.118.57 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The oldest living Olympian in history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.44.118.57 (talk) 07:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Second and and third citation above from Spworld2 (talk · contribs)'s duplicate nomination. His comment was

Ágnes Keleti has died, at the age of 104 , Hungarian Olympic champion, gymnast and Sportswoman. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Actually, she wasn't the oldest at the time of her death. Both Yvonne Chabot-Curtet and Iris Cummings were older then Ágnes Keleti. She was the oldest living champion, however. But its almost there, the article. TheCorriynial (talk) 10:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support, she's a notable Hungarian athlete who not only won 10 Olympic medals, but was also inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, the Hungarian Sports Hall of Fame, the International Women's Sports Hall of Fame, and the International Gymnastics Hall of Fame. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• This is a recent deaths nomination, and so as per the notice, only the article quality should be considered (every person with an article is eligible to be nominated). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Procedural oppose as per WP:DENY. The nominator is blocked for sockpuppetry/block evasion, so we shouldn't be supporting that by allowing this nomination of theirs. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  If they verifiably died, they qualify. It doesn't help readers in this case to DENY. Per the WP:EVASION policy: This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert.—Bagumba (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is in quality to post. Armbrust 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support denying a non-offending article's RD eligibility just because it so happened to be initially nominated by a sockpuppet account is a bad precedent to set. It sends a message that if you really dislike someone and don't want them to be memorialized, the solution is for you to quickly create a sockpuppet account and push out an RD nom, so that the target article is never allowed on the main page. The article is well sourced and ready. FlipFlopped ツ 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Joseph2302, WP:BMB applies here. Rewarding a banned editor by posting this will only encourage more sockpuppetry. This should be closed and an editor in good standing can renominate. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

  How about simply withholding the ITN nom credit template? No need to close and renominate the same candidate. -- PFHLai (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

  Looks like that's what Stephen has done.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  I don't give credits to IPs as I assume they're transient. Stephen 22:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Yoav Gallant resigns from Israel parliament

This won't gain consensus. Schwede66 19:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Yoav Gallant (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Yoav Gallant, member of the Israel Parliament (pictured), resigns at the age of 66, after being fired in November. (Post)
News source(s): NDTV The Times Of Israel
Credits:

• Nominated by ArPerfectlyEdits (talk · give credit)

Article updatedNominator's comments: I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. ArPerfectlyEdits (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Thanks for the information, but resigning from parliament is not ITN-worthy. He was already ITN with the fact, that the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant. Grimes2 (talk) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Resigning after being fired is hardly the news bombshell he might have hoped for, even if he is an international criminal. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose first this doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Also, this nomination was made by an editor with 29 edits, and so violates WP:ARBPIA (need to have 500 edits to edit this topic area). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  I don't understand your last sentence. Why should an ITNC editor have 500 edits? Grimes2 (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  That's coming from the Arbcom decision on anythibg related to the Israel/Palestine conflict, which includes when these topics appear on ITN. — Masem (t) 18:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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