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: Even so, the next step will probably be to assert that I am in violation of an *indefinite* topic ban based on this:
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: First, I recall reading that topic bans cannot be *indefinite.* Even if I am incorrect about this, the article probation on which the topic ban was based has been revoked and is now obsolete:
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:Because the basis of the block has expired, I presume that a block based on it would have expired as well.
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:FWIW, as documented on my Talk page, there is a very interesting history here of biased and unjustified sanctions by administrators with a POV. At least two of those administrators subsequently have had their administrator status revoked due to biased enforcement of WP policies. Also, ] and I have had a number of disagreements which may have motivated a premature trigger finger here and a miscalculation of expiration dates.
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*You should have read the discussion referred to you in the template, because you would have seen that no editing restrictions were ever lifted. The ban remained in place under ], as was ''specifically'' clarified in the discussion. I can see how the template could be misleading, but it still referred you to the discussion for specifics, which you ignored in favor of your own interpretation. That cannot be allowed to slide, so I've blocked you for one year for yet another TBAN violation. This is strictly due to the fact that a one-year maximum is designated as an aspect of the TBAN. ] ] 22:53, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


:: ] ...oh my, you really didn't read my substantive comments closely because you didn't not address them.
I just noticed that Mathsci is you should be banned from Misplaced Pages's community, because he says you coordinated the actions of several other editors and misled them about the purpose of Misplaced Pages. As you are blocked and not able to defend yourself there, I thought I should ask you about it here. Is what he's saying about you and those other editors true? ] (]) 20:37, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Nor did you allow the discussion to continue to get different perspectives. You terminated discussion prematurely.
:: As I noted here (above), WP needs to change its policies. The current policies are based on consensus, not factual accuracy. From ]: "Misplaced Pages is not about providing correct and definitive information about a subject, but instead presenting, as editorially dominant, the perspective taken by most authors of the sources for the article."


:: Misplaced Pages does the public disservice when consensus trumps accuracy. If it is really a apple, but the Misplaced Pages consensus says that it is a banana, Misplaced Pages allows the fictional banana narrative to be presented as fact.
: These edits were made under the auspices of the . Unfortunately, Mathsci is, IMHO, a malicious editor, and does not respect or appreciate Misplaced Pages's mission, or its policy on good faith edits. ] (]) 16:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
::Accusing another editor of malice, without giving any reason, on display here while you are blocked, in part for personal attacks, is not a good idea if you want to be unblocked. As for the APS Misplaced Pages Initiative, it is totally inconsistent with Misplaced Pages's purpose. Its self-avowed purpose is to use Misplaced Pages to "promote" the aims of the organisation. ] (]) 08:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


:: I will not be editing here again until this issue is addressed.
::: APS, a scientific society of scholars/researchers, is totally inconsistent with Misplaced Pages's purpose? You've gotta be kidding -- right?
::: Where in any APS materials does it state that "APS Misplaced Pages Initiative is to self-promote APS? Do let me know. To the contrary, the motto of the APS is to "give psychology away" for free -- much like the mission of WP ] (]) 19:56, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


:: However, FWIW, I'll leave this Talk page as a historical reference for future intellectual archaeologists (or, satirists in need of some good material!). ] (]) 23:27, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
==Unblock request==
{{unblock reviewed | 1=This block is daft, and apparently is motivated by POV issues. My comment in question was this: "Strongly support - for the reasons I, and others, have noted (especially notability and WP:LABEL). And, by the way, let me commend CSDarrow (talk) for persevering here, and in supporting WP policies here, despite ad hominems, bullying, and threats by those pushing an anti-MRM POV." This comment does not rise to the level of a block. My comment was a defense of another editor who was subject to incivility by other editors. Those editors, to my knowledge, have not been blocked. See these comments in context: . ] (]) 16:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC) | decline=If the account you have given were the whole story, then I would agree with you and unblock. However, the block is in the context of disruptive editing of various kinds, and the incident you mention was just a part of the whole situation. All things considered, there is far more than enough justification for the block. I shall, however, change the logged block reason to clarify the situation. ] (]) 08:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)}}


:::If that is your stance, then you fundamentally cannot be trusted to return to editing here at any juncture. I will remove your block's expiration accordingly. ] ] 01:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
:Hey so apparently this block expired 10 days ago, but was kinda wondering about the phrasing at where Drmies wrote
::"harassment on Talk:MRM; block per article probation" on Apr27
:and James added:
::"also other persistent disruption" on Apr30
:I would like to clarify: wouldn't "harassment" be enough? I don't understand how the context "per probation" appends to this. Does it mean that in other contexts, harassments on talk pages would normally be treated with a shorter ban than a week, but in the context of probation the punishment is heavier?
:Would also like to know if perhaps edit diffs could be linked displaying the harassment, perhaps with bold emphasis on the nature of it? From an editor concerned about discussing such issues who would like to know conversational guidelines, what to avoid, etc. Same query regarding the 'disruption' type edits that are called persistant, so I can also learn to avoid disrupting while still contributing in a constructive manner. ] (]) 21:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


:::: I'm sorry... who can't be trusted? You certainly can't be trusted as an administrator.
:: Ranze, there was no harassment or disruption. Note the lack of examples (diffs), or, if a diff is provided (which I did), read through it. Nothing there deserved a block. WP is broken. ] (]) 17:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: As long as WP tolerates these types of snide comments and biased sanctioning from administrators, and, as long as consensus trumps accuracy, it will never achieve the status of a reliable resource. It becomes just another part of the post-factual social media chatter.

:::: ] has capped off my years of voluntary service as an expert willing to invest time and effort to improve the accuracy of Misplaced Pages with warm appreciation.
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:You say to check the talk pages but surely you've some idea of what they're reacting to and calling harassment even if isn't actually. Can you show some diffs on yours or Darrow's that are being pointed to? Also please see bottom topic regarding project retitle. ] (]) 16:06, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: Cheers, ] (]) 19:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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::: "That doesn't mean I like all the yelling and carrying on CSDarrow has been doing However, trying to get a person to leave with bullying and threats because they loudly and obnoxiously hold a contrary view is probably not a good thing." ] <sub>]</sub> 01:35, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

:: My response to this comment (which did result in a block):

::: "And, by the way, let me commend ] (]) for persevering here, and in supporting WP policies here, despite ad hominems, bullying, and threats by those pushing an anti-MRM POV."

:: Note: CSDarrow subsequently got an award for his perseverance.


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: Thanks -- I am aware of the rule. ] (]) 00:40, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


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currently is tendentious and misleading
:::I didn't. I added material, which you deleted, and then I reverted your deletion. That is one reversion, not two. ] (]) 00:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
::::No, you altered somebody else's material (from "this theory argues" to "which they erroneously believe posits") as well as adding some material. I reverted and then you reverted again making the same changes to that first sentence. You've now removed "erroneously" but you've still changed "this theory argues" to "they believe posits" twice today. You've broken 1RR. I suggest you change that first sentence back to how it was originally to avoid any problem. ] (]) 01:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


please give a look on the talk section on Science vs Philosophy, etc...
::::: Let's play "gotcha." You win this round. ] (]) 02:28, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


Is there a way to flag the page? ] (]) 21:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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== Fixed your talk page archiving ==
:: I see you were the Administrator who also blocked CSDarrow. Interesting.
Hi! I took the liberty of fixing the auto-archiving settings at the top of this page. --] (]) 10:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
:: I stand by my contributions. They are consistent with the WP mission of creating reliable, accurate and NPOV encyclopedic articles.
:: Sad to see WP being gamed. Substantive issues take a backseat to hostile politicking, tag teaming, and picayune wikilawyering. The result is the hemorrhaging of WP editors, many are academic and professional content experts, who have generously volunteered their time here. WP is broken. ] (]) 05:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


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Please be advised: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User_in_violation_of_topic_ban,_after_a_1_year_block_for_violation_of_the_ban. Carl Fredrik 19:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

First, I'm sure that CFCF understands that a one year topic ban that was imposed in 2015 has expired.
Even so, the next step will probably be to assert that I am in violation of an *indefinite* topic ban based on this:

You are hereby notified that you have been indefinitely banned from editing any pages at Misplaced Pages related to men's rights, broadly construed. This ban is imposed pursuant to WP:MRMPS.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:14, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

First, I recall reading that topic bans cannot be *indefinite.* Even if I am incorrect about this, the article probation on which the topic ban was based has been revoked and is now obsolete:
See: Shortcut

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Because the basis of the block has expired, I presume that a block based on it would have expired as well.
FWIW, as documented on my Talk page, there is a very interesting history here of biased and unjustified sanctions by administrators with a POV. At least two of those administrators subsequently have had their administrator status revoked due to biased enforcement of WP policies. Also, CFCF and I have had a number of disagreements which may have motivated a premature trigger finger here and a miscalculation of expiration dates.
Memills (talk) 20:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • You should have read the discussion referred to you in the template, because you would have seen that no editing restrictions were ever lifted. The ban remained in place under WP:GamerGate, as was specifically clarified in the discussion. I can see how the template could be misleading, but it still referred you to the discussion for specifics, which you ignored in favor of your own interpretation. That cannot be allowed to slide, so I've blocked you for one year for yet another TBAN violation. This is strictly due to the fact that a one-year maximum is designated as an aspect of the TBAN. Swarm
Swarm ...oh my, you really didn't read my substantive comments closely because you didn't not address them.
Nor did you allow the discussion to continue to get different perspectives. You terminated discussion prematurely.
As I noted here (above), WP needs to change its policies. The current policies are based on consensus, not factual accuracy. From Criticism of Misplaced Pages: "Misplaced Pages is not about providing correct and definitive information about a subject, but instead presenting, as editorially dominant, the perspective taken by most authors of the sources for the article."
Misplaced Pages does the public disservice when consensus trumps accuracy. If it is really a apple, but the Misplaced Pages consensus says that it is a banana, Misplaced Pages allows the fictional banana narrative to be presented as fact.
I will not be editing here again until this issue is addressed.
However, FWIW, I'll leave this Talk page as a historical reference for future intellectual archaeologists (or, satirists in need of some good material!). Memills (talk) 23:27, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
If that is your stance, then you fundamentally cannot be trusted to return to editing here at any juncture. I will remove your block's expiration accordingly. Swarm 01:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry... who can't be trusted? You certainly can't be trusted as an administrator.
As long as WP tolerates these types of snide comments and biased sanctioning from administrators, and, as long as consensus trumps accuracy, it will never achieve the status of a reliable resource. It becomes just another part of the post-factual social media chatter.
Swarm has capped off my years of voluntary service as an expert willing to invest time and effort to improve the accuracy of Misplaced Pages with warm appreciation.
FWIW: Before it gets sued, Misplaced Pages should post a disclosure notice (especially for medically related topics):
WARNING -- Article Disclosure Notice: Misplaced Pages articles, including this one, can be written and edited by anyone. Yes, anyone. The content of articles reflects the consensus of opinion of these volunteers, and/or of the administrators who review them. The great majority of both are laypersons -- not experts. Articles may contain factual errors or present material in a biased fashion. Misplaced Pages itself does not even regard its own articles as a reliable source. Until we change our policies here, readers should consider consulting more reliable reference sources that are edited and reviewed on the basis of factual accuracy, rather than consensus.
Cheers, Memills (talk) 19:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
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  • Sorry if this whole thing seems harsh, but you've caused too many problems in your time here for this to be tolerated at this point. But, to be clear, you may appeal this block as many times as you want, and if you submit a WP:GAB-compliant unblock request via WP:UTRS or to myself or any another administrator, I would support an unblock and any administrator is free to do so at their discretion without consulting me. Swarm 19:21, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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Tendentious and misleading page

Page Criticism of evolutionary psychology

currently is tendentious and misleading

please give a look on the talk section on Science vs Philosophy, etc...

Is there a way to flag the page? ApoliticalFactChecker (talk) 21:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Fixed your talk page archiving

Hi! I took the liberty of fixing the auto-archiving settings at the top of this page. --rchard2scout (talk) 10:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

There are no links to archived talk pages at the top of this page. Any idea why? 70.191.90.141 (talk) 01:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)